So?

Eminem is the greatest living rapper better than any Black Guy.

My query I guess is the leftist say whitey doesn't have an identity or culture which is obviously globalist propaganda heavy Metal is a unique genre that whites invented from rock & classical roots.

What is it an expression of and did white males think of it first?

Term Dog wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 3:36pm:


That is a false dichotomy
Anglo culture may have invented Heavy Metal but i can guarantee you that only a minority of Anglos actually like it.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 3:44pm:



Hendrix and Living Color are not heavy metal.

Heavy metal was started by white guys:





Led Zeppelin - In My Time of Dying - 1975 Earls Court

As far as Rock guitar goes, a lot developed between 1965 and 1970. It was the search for heavier and dirtier sounds. So pinpointing where Heavy Metal originated is difficult. Certainly, Sabbath and Zeppelin were in on the ground floor, but they were also under the influence of the Who and Cream. And while it is not Heavy Metal, there wasn't much in the way of amp distortion and fuzz tone before Satisfaction and that stop-time in 19th Nervous Breakdown. Hendrix's live performances would have had a huge influence.

Is it white boy music? Well, I don't really care, but Black guitar players are not as prominent as they once were, and that was mainly in Blues and Jazz. Most serious guitar players are interested a number of musical moods. Heavy Metal has only one: bombastic melodrama, in the same way that kids like horror movies, and huge cinematic explosions.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 5:43pm:


Sabath was more true to Metal but Zeplin were in the mix pretty close maybe a bit earlier however Deep Purple were earlier still and closer to the mark maybe.

Firstly, Eminem is not the 'greatest' Rapper ever.
Anyone (like a typical 'Brunette') who has to fake their hair colour for starters goes along the "Fake it if you can't make it" - isn't the Greatest.
Just like little Brunette Elvis who never truly knew how to wear a 'Crown' to be King. 

But hey, seems the go in North America for the Male Entertainers to be very unprofessional, full of scandals, suicidal and self-destructive, fake it if you can't make it, frauds, etc.

That's why I take European (Male) music seriously.
I'm not talking about the British that plays for the USA stuff either.
I'm talking right in the cauldron of Europe - where Led Zep earned their stripes and developed their essence. Where Nick Cave 'went into the cave' and came out a very Bad Seed indeed.
The mere fact that when Eurovision started (the lovely Nana Mouskouri) it was laughed at by the USA (Western societies) - but look now, 'every nation' is doing the Eurovision 'judging contest' format and not just with music.

Lets face it, the TRUE KING OF MUSIC is not from the USA (he only had a voice, nothing much else) - but from EUROPE... right in the middle of it.

As for PUNK?
Well, it eventually left Britain, because it was too soft to enter Europe  and headed to the USA - where it slowly travelled across the States and eventually settled in Seattle, where it was 'born again' as GRUNGE. (mind you - I was wearing clothes like that back in the Mt Druitt 70's  ).

Back to Heavy Metal.
...sheet, I haven't heard any for ages. I actually thought it was some 'white only' music that died in the arse like all 'pure-breed' movements. I mean - since Metallica, there really hasn't been anything worth cracking a fat with. 

...I think the last 'hardcore' music I heard was from my co-worker who I shared a room with, who was the lead singer of "Space Bong" from Adelaide.

Anyway - I start my 'ambient' music program in a few weeks on Community Radio 

It's not a common or popular genre for African-Americans but it is done, some really good black hard rock without any fusion is from the glory days of music in the 80s, Living Colour and Fishbone.

Rap likes sampling hard rock as well and does some righteous music.

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 2:03pm:

Term Dog wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 5:43pm:

But the influence from thin lizzy is unquestioned by most!!

issuevoter wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 6:13pm:



Actually all the heavy metal guitar players knew each other &
to be fair Jimmy Hendrix was right there as one of their friends.
He was no white boy.
However I think Jimmy Page really gave it that mass appeal
to the largest audiences.

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 8:12pm:



That's true - it's all here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix

Jimmy was a groundbreaker, as far as skills go there are better guitarists these days in every other suburban block.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 7:01pm:



Zeppelin refuse to be even questioned about being heavy metal. Purple and Sabbath aren't all that keen on it either.

Jasin wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:56am:




Ummm, I'm white and I llike certain types of heavy metal.

I'm sorry I didnt realise you were being so specific.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 8:38am:

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 12:31pm:




I've seen interviews where they debate it themselves. Everyone else thinks they started heavy metal, they just consider themselves hard rock.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 12:44pm:

Fair enough, but the accepted definition is the horror theme(which makes most of it utter garbage ofcourse): but, true... they were just kinda hard rocky and free- hence the rock opera idea! Thus, PHANTOM OF THE OPERA BY IRON MAIDEN LOL 

TheFunPolice wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 12:49pm:



Some not all heavy metal has a horror theme. My thinking as to why there is a debate is that the line between heavy metal and hard rock is fluid so its hard to tell whats what to be honest.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2018 at 12:54pm:

Seriously dude you can't even get into a light hearteed thread like this without ruining it with your own particular brand of dumb.

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:53am:


It's debatable.

Sabbath's first album came out two years after 'Truth'.

"On August 1, 1968, Truth, Jeff Beck's first solo album following his departure from the Yardbirds and the premiere of heavy metal, was released in the United Kingdom on Columbia Records and in the United States on Epic Records."

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:53am:


First Sabbath album - 1970

First Jeff Beck album - 1968

"Jeff Beck was a young session guitarist who was taken up by one of the leading bands of the British Blues Boom and, when he went solo, went on to produce ‘Truth’, one of the most influential albums of his generation.

"Joe Bonamassa, every single Hard-Rock power-trio and the entire Heavy Metal genre took something from Jeff Beck’s work."

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 1:00pm:


Agreed.

That's why I said it's debatable.

However, 'Truth' comes up as the front runner more often than not.

It certainly sowed the seeds, if nothing else.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:


Sure - the seed packet was definitely present in the Yardbirds.

I don't hate the debate, though.

It's good to reflect on those old albums, and bands.

I'm a huge Jeff Beck fan though, so I'm always gonna give him as much credit as I can.

Hammer could be right - it might be Sabbath - or, it could be Zeppelin.

Either way, it's all a good excuse for listening to those old albums again.

bands previous to sabbath are influences - kinks, beatles, led zepplin - but they aren't metal.

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 12:22am:



The roots of heavy metal are found in Led Zep:



and super heavy here but the original was from the Yardbirds:

i'd say bonham was a great influence on metal drummers though.

Finally a sensible post from the Pecca.

Jasin wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 6:24pm:


I wish he would grow up.