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Reply #15 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 10:14am
 


The Chinese have built 'militarised islands' in the Pacific and called it Chinese waters

International ships including our own Naval vessels sail these zones which are designated as international waters by international law

The world needs to send the Chinese a message that we are not going to sit back and let them annex the Pacific Ocean which is their intent

Thank God countries across the Pacific have woken up to China and we are now on red alert as to their  intentions
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Reply #16 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 10:17am
 
You leftists sound like nationalists, remember your mantra; nationalists are bad communists are good.
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Reply #17 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 11:55am
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 10:17am:
You leftists sound like nationalists, remember your mantra; nationalists are bad communists are good.


Nobody is saying that either nationalist or communists are good (or bad).

My recommended  position is to back Australia in terms of economic competitiveness and boarder security and to be opposed to Australian governments or political party's undermining this because of un-reasoned dogma as in this case.

Accidentally or stupidly helping to increase China's dominance in our region (on our doorstep) is bad for our local security and economic interests.

This from the guys who spent 2 decades panicking about the threat from a few dozen refugees on leaky boats but happy to give a genuine threat a huge strategic advantage adjacent to our border.
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Reply #18 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
red baron wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 10:14am:
The Chinese have built 'militarised islands' in the Pacific and called it Chinese waters

International ships including our own Naval vessels sail these zones which are designated as international waters by international law

The world needs to send the Chinese a message that we are not going to sit back and let them annex the Pacific Ocean which is their intent

Thank God countries across the Pacific have woken up to China and we are now on red alert as to their  intentions



this has already been done rb.....but china sticks its finger  up at the world... thus far no western planes have been shot out of the sky.....but China believes it has the right to do just that,...

not another Kim Jong.....ugh!..

it is getting very serious.....as we know by how the CHinese bought and paid for Sen Dastyari.... we have to be on full alert...at all times...

I find the Chinese people I have met or deal with to be most pleasant and nothing like the govt back home... so I am happy with that.....but those rich and Powerful I would steer well clear of..
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Reply #19 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:04pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 10:17am:
You leftists sound like nationalists, remember your mantra; nationalists are bad communists are good.



so you dont mind what CHina is building in the China sea??? 

you dont see it as a threat to our sovereignty

or freedom to fly over the China Sea.?......
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Reply #20 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:07pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 8:36am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 8:29am:
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 8:13am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 8:08am:
Many here cheered when the ABC were forced out of Pacific broadcasting by Liberal government cuts.

Every single broadcast frequency the ABC gave up was picked up by the Chinese government.

Where 5 years ago the major broadcast voice across much of the Pacific was Australian today it is exclusively Chinese.



It might get to a point of choosing take over by economic Chinese expansion or Islamic religious domination.


You seem happy to oppose one ? Why not the other as well ?

It was economically socially ethically and in terms of Australia's security stupid for the Australian government to have achieved this result through their combined greed dogma driven nastiness and stinginess.

Yes the Liberals dishonest dogma driven desire to stitch up the ABC resulted in seriously damaging Australia's and the western worlds position in the pacific and very significantly advantaging a large powerful competitor in the region. Nothing short of incompetent.



Because apart from the horrors of early communist mass murder the Chinese have successfully integrated around the globe over history as industrious, hard working,  peaceful people. Muslims OTOH bring terror, destruction and war.


It's an important statement, that needs to be looked at more deeply.
The biggest mass murderer in the history of the world was their own Chairman, and he has been dead since the 1970s, yet, his huge photo is still up, facing the contraversial Tiananamen Square to show a presence, of what the current Government believes in.
Otherwise why have it up there? I felt it was too damned obvious. I was there, and it didn't have a nice feeling that place. So many deaths for liberty.
As an example, the Germans don't have Hitler's huge portrait anywhere? I think the Germans are industrious, hard working and peaceful people also, yet, not oppressed like the Chinese people are.






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Reply #21 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:13pm
 
red baron wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 8:04am:
Have you had a look at China's policies in regard to human freedom?

They don't exist

China's record  of human rights is deplorable and they have butchered countless thousands of dissidents

We don't need their crap in our part of the world

Incidentally Globalisation is just another word for what Hitler did with Germany's expansionism prior to and in the second world war




Chinese President Xi Jinping has been voted Premier for life -
absolute power forever.
Did anyone dare to vote against it?
It sounds too much like Hitler coming to power.
We have to be watchful.
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Reply #22 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:22pm
 
Sophia wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 9:13am:
red baron wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 8:04am:
Have you had a look at China's policies in regard ton human freedom?

They don't exist

China's record  of human rights ids deplorable and they have butchered countless thousands of dissidents

We don't need their crap in our part of the world

Incidentally Globalisation is just another word for what Hitler did with Germany's expansionism prior to and in the second world war


Having been in China recently, that was so apparent. They are all living under heavy rulership. Yes, the Uni students in the 1980's did try to change that, against dictatorship, in Tiananmen Square, with slogans such as "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" and "Give me democracy or give me death" etc.
Then the armoured tanks came in, and slaughtered 7000 of them.

So this Mao Zedong (China Communist Revolutionary), who died in 1976, whose huge picture is up on display facing towards Tiananmen Square, for what purpose? To remind people of his dicatorship where under his ruling of the "Great Leap Forward" he massacred 45 million of his own people in 4 year span! Making him the No. 1 worst mass murderer in history.
So how do people live in China? I will tell you, with their tails tucked between their legs, in fear, oppresssed.
We were told, to not say anything about the massacre whilst we were in Tiananmen Square, because there are "spys" everywhere.

Yes, the big thing was "dissidents do disappear in China" !

I wonder Term Dog, your friend that helps the Chinese Govt. and become well paid for it, is a type of spy for them, using his anglo saxoness, since he had nothing, as you said, and now he is very wealthy, of course, they now control him that way. Amazing how he has become so 'wealthy' with a use, whilst many Chinese people are so oppressed, why use him and not one of their own?

My hubby and I were just talking about China, the good and the bad, yesterday, on our way to Tullamarine Airport, and seeing the roads are finally finished almost, then coming onto a part that was getting prepped for a new sealing, and I said, I don't see it happening soon, there are no machines anywhere.
We then say, in China, it would be done much quicker, and how great their roads and workmanship was over there. Brilliant in fact. Enviably so.
Then we thought of how people live, not even allowed to buy their own house, living in high rise apartments leased from the government for a 70 year life span.
So we both said, there is good, and bad about China.
Roads and contruction, amazing....people treatment, not so.
There is no unemployment payment, everyone has to work, do something to get paid. The elderly, have to be looked after by their young, no pension either there. I saw elderly people as street cleaners. The ones that were still fit and able. There were no 'wheelchair access' anywhere!
Obviously, the government have no patience for the disabled.

Don't say I didn't warn you, if we are going to be globalized by the China way of life? Be prepared to let go of the liberties we now so freely have.





Very well put.


It is amazing as to how many people have no idea about the real china. All they see is buisiness and cheap stuff.
China needs to be stopped before we all end up living like their general population. Their leaders are worse than all of the dictators on earth put together....yet not a word is said by our ever so corrupted media and gov. Why is that? Why do our gov leaders bow to a regime that has killed more people than any other? Disgusting.

Globalists love china....that's what they want the world to become. We need to stop it happening.
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Reply #23 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm
 
My point is you can't vote for globalism and then whine when someone looks like achieving it.

Do you think globalism will result in perfect equality of all and absolute freedom of individual rights?
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Reply #24 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 1:06pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
My point is you can't vote for globalism and then whine when someone looks like achieving it.

Do you think globalism will result in perfect equality of all and absolute freedom of individual rights?


Equality is an unachievable concept in all aspects of life.

Inequality begins at birth and equality diverges through the rest of life.

The only way equality can exist is if all people are cloned from one person, are born defect-free with the same IQ, and are raised by a social system that actively prevents divergence of equality. Then, individual good fortune needs to be eliminated as a source of divergence of equality.
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Reply #25 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 2:50pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
My point is you can't vote for globalism and then whine when someone looks like achieving it.

Do you think globalism will result in perfect equality of all and absolute freedom of individual rights?


I don't recall anyone ever voting for globalism. Most have been conned into believing that it isn't what they voted for.
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Reply #26 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:19pm
 
China taking over Australia will solve many great wrongs

Politicians will all be executed.......win

Muzzos will be sent to re-education......win

Multinationals will be controlled .......win

Communists will run the country.....lose

See three wins to a lose, not too bad.
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Reply #27 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 2:50pm:
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 12:38pm:
My point is you can't vote for globalism and then whine when someone looks like achieving it.

Do you think globalism will result in perfect equality of all and absolute freedom of individual rights?


I don't recall anyone ever voting for globalism. Most have been conned into believing that it isn't what they voted for.



Can you wanna write that last sentence  again, faking awkward as fak.
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Reply #28 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:25pm
 
Valkie wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 3:19pm:
China taking over Australia will solve many great wrongs

Politicians will all be executed.......win

Muzzos will be sent to re-education......win

Multinationals will be controlled .......win

Communists will run the country.....lose

See three wins to a lose, not too bad.



If China are still commy they are really bad at it.

I think they need a new definition, in many ways they are the most capitalist capitalist's in human history but with total authoritarian centrally planned everything.


I don't know where they are defined in the political spectrum but at least today they ain't communist.

They would execute  Marx and most of western leftists.
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Reply #29 - Nov 18th, 2018 at 4:32pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 18th, 2018 at 7:48am:
What bothers you, they are expanding by economic means and not military and they have a right to do so and they have a right to protect their investments.

This is consistent with globalism.

Other than blatant racism what is wrong with their actions, the West has been expanding and driving up third world debt for generations and bombing the crap out of them, installing puppet governments etc.

China are taking over with pure economic means, that's all consistent with our own laws and values.


We have been identity politicking while they been engineering and now they are surpassing us, sounds perfectly reasonable.


Actions have consequences, they invested in education, manufacturing, water, energy, food, infrastructure, STEM...we invested in feminism and identity politics, get what deserve.

My mate who had nothing all his life as a wage slave married a Chinese women and now works in China as an consultant to help foreign  businesses work with the Chinese all over the globe. The guy is now officially a brand new millionaire.


Identity policking? And here I was, thinking we've been busy getting our hands dirty over in the Middle East.

It is, after all, what put the US into debt with - guess who -

China.
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