polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28
th, 2018 at 3:31pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 27
th, 2018 at 7:34pm:
Firstly, if you really want to engage constructively and civilly with me on real solutions, I suggest you don't be deliberately insulting by saying that we all start our children't Islamic education by showing them youtube videos of killings. That sort of thing tends to put a dampener on any goodwill that might have existed.
Secondly, the link you gave me put those so called "core Islamic values" way down the page below far more important things that I tried to point out, under the heading "Core of Islamic Law". Clearly they were referring to values related to actual laws of an actual government within a theoretical Islamic state. Very different to the core of Islamic beliefs that are taught to all muslims, irrespective of whether they are under an actual Islamic state or not.
Quote:Here's a good solution for potential attackers, would you support this, or would you oppose it? ....
Citizenship crackdown on Aussie extremists5:23pm Nov 22, 2018
Australian-born terrorists could soon be stripped of their citizenship and kicked out of the country far more easily, under sweeping new powers to be debated in parliament before Christmas.
https://www.9news.com.au/2018/11/22/09/57/aussie-extremists-could-lose-citizensh...
Prime Minister Scott Morrison will introduce new laws within weeks aimed at revoking citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terror offences, regardless of the length of their sentence. Its a little difficult to "oppose" the idea of ridding our nation of dangerous terrorists. However this is not a solution at all, its crass politicking designed only to win votes and which has about zero practical value.
Presumably the idea behind it is once they are stripped of Aussie citizenship, they can then be deported. But think about it, do you think thats actually going to happen? For this to be possible you need to things - 1. they have to be eligible for residency in another country - and no having dual citizenship doesn't necessarily make this so. And 2. That country has to accept them in even if they are eligible. And what do you think the chances of another country allowing convicted terrorists to live there? Would we do it? Hi Australia, this is Lebanon - there's this guy trying to blow up everything here - he was dual Lebanese/Australian citizen, but he's no longer Lebanese, you know, because terrorists are not welcome here... so if you wouldn't mind letting him live there thanks... - I'm pretty sure you would be leading the howl of outrage against such a proposal yes?
So.. we strip them of citizenship, and its a pretty safe bet most of them won't be accepted into any other country. What then? There are two options left: 1. we keep them on the streets or put them in Aussie gaols - if so, what is the point of removing their citizenship? Nothing. or 2. we put them in permanent immigration detention - expensive, but more importantly legally questionable. You then have to consider the vulnerability such a regime has to legal challenge, and with that the very real risk that they will be released at any time.
Finally, another thought just occurred to me: Morrison says this applies to
convicted terrorists right? Wait, aren't these guys sent to gaol? Whats the point then? They can no longer vote?
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The sentiment is to get rid of the toxic Islamist bastards.
Your sentiment and instinct is to hang on to them as long as possible and by any means possible. You are the voice of not getting rid of the toxic bastards. That's why you are an untrustworthy Islamist. You are on their side, on the side of the revolting Muslims against the West. You are not on the West's side because you identify with the jihadists much, much more than with the victims of the jihadists.
You are cowardly, duplicitous, untrustworthy. Typical Muslim 'progressive. You are of another word, of another value system.