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Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut (Read 1234 times)
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Re: Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut
Reply #15 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:50am:
The Lefties have very short memories when the TRUTH is involved. And silly dumb Geggy just wants to make a noise to try to get noticed.


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Those workers were better off overall, though (BOOT - Better Off Overall Test).

They (all workers - not just those working on Sundays) had higher base rates, negotiated by the Union.

Cuts to penalty rates in Modern Awards, however, aren't compensated for with higher base rates.

You'd know that if you knew what you were talking about.

But if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be juliar, would you?

(juliar has never heard of the BOOT.  Lol)

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Re: Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut
Reply #16 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
Go Geggy go!!!  You might get even worse if you really try.



greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:05am:
juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:50am:
The Lefties have very short memories when the TRUTH is involved. And silly dumb Geggy just wants to make a noise to try to get noticed.


https://i.postimg.cc/sDvJR6bx/C5-UTUgd-Uc-AE3fhg.jpg



Those workers were better off overall, though (BOOT - Better Off Overall Test).

They (all workers - not just those working on Sundays) had higher base rates, negotiated by the Union.

Cuts to penalty rates in Modern Awards, however, aren't compensated for with higher base rates.

You'd know that if you knew what you were talking about.

But if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be juliar, would you?

(juliar has never heard of the BOOT.  Lol)

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Re: Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut
Reply #17 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:27am:
Go Geggy go!!!  You might get even worse if you really try.



greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 11:05am:
juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:50am:
The Lefties have very short memories when the TRUTH is involved. And silly dumb Geggy just wants to make a noise to try to get noticed.


https://i.postimg.cc/sDvJR6bx/C5-UTUgd-Uc-AE3fhg.jpg



Those workers were better off overall, though (BOOT - Better Off Overall Test).

They (all workers - not just those working on Sundays) had higher base rates, negotiated by the Union.

Cuts to penalty rates in Modern Awards, however, aren't compensated for with higher base rates.

You'd know that if you knew what you were talking about.

But if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be juliar, would you?

(juliar has never heard of the BOOT.  Lol)

https://media.giphy.com/media/GKo7pUwEBJmfu/giphy.gif



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Re: Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut
Reply #18 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:45am:
juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Geggy shows why he is universally ignored as the Village Idiot - out of touch and out of his depth.


Those workers were better off overall, though (BOOT - Better Off Overall Test).

They (all workers - not just those working on Sundays) had higher base rates, negotiated by the Union.

Cuts to penalty rates in Modern Awards, however, aren't compensated for with higher base rates.

You'd know that if you knew what you were talking about.

But if you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't be juliar, would you?

(juliar has never heard of the BOOT.  Lol)


Sorry Greg but the Boot test is worthless junk it actually undermines wages.

However the workers mentioned have just signed another enterprise agreement on similar terms because they are better off even though it isn't great.

The boot test is only good to undermine any above award pay and especially conditions.

One of the larger problems with negotiating enterprise agreements is that the business does not have to release any commercial information. This effectivly means that when the employer says that they have done the sums and the employees are better off the employees and Unions have no means to confirm that it is correct.

In the case of the numbers from the poster this is exactly what happened. The employer assured everyone including the fair work umpire that employees were better off.

The difference between them being better off and not was simply a matter of the rostering used. Turns out that in some of those companies employees were not better off.

Part of the problem is that if they go back to the award they lose non award conditions like extra breaks and discount cards which have significant value.

There is still a huge problem in IR and the unions are far from perfect but the employer side has way too much power and umpire is useless the rule book was flawed and biased from the start.

They almost need to throw it all out and start again.


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Re: Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut
Reply #19 - Nov 17th, 2018 at 9:23am
 
Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut


The Stiglitz fan club has a few dissenting voices.

Nobel Economist Joseph Stiglitz Misdiagnoses Inequality And The Cause Of Middle-Class Woes


https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2015/04/24/nobel-economist-joseph-s...

Better get a second opinion.
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Re: Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut
Reply #20 - Nov 17th, 2018 at 9:34am
 
salad in wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Joseph Stiglitz Warns On Penalty Rates Cut


The Stiglitz fan club has a few dissenting voices.

Nobel Economist Joseph Stiglitz Misdiagnoses Inequality And The Cause Of Middle-Class Woes


https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2015/04/24/nobel-economist-joseph-s...

Better get a second opinion.


You post an entitled idiot in Forbes magazine defending the right to wealth and still think that trickle down is credible ?

The rich getting ever richer has ZERO benefit to the poor.

Stiglitz is not 100% right on everything he concludes but he is clearly streets ahead of this clown.
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