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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #90 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Now you're making desperate stupid accusations.

It must butt-hurt you to have an lowly AiN give your Intellectual Ego some stick.

I must have been doing the right thing.
Only the 'over-achievers' had a problem with me (or the blatant corrupt ones).
Really butt-hurt them to see lowly me hanging out with the 'best' of them in the Hospitals.
Having coffee with Prof Sugrue, Crozier and more.
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Butt hurt? Not really. You just think you are scoring points. Hard to score when essentially everything you say is made up.


Better to have someone make something up,
than someone like you who can't/won't make 'anything' up at all.  Wink

"smell it, smell it!!"





So better to lie than not say anything.


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Everybody experiences 'loss'.
You chose the 'bad' way to lose.
Sorry Bojack, but that comment shows what you would do,
when you get desperate.
I would never accuse someone of lying, unless I had...

...the evidence.  Wink
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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #91 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 2:57pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:37am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:29am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:26am:
[quote author=Pastafarian link=1541893014/70#70 date=1542158648]As an AIN?[/quote]


...who did farrrrrr better than you in the Medical Industry too  Wink
I even ran a Private Hospital for half a shift  Grin




I call complete and utter BS on that.

Grin Grin Grin

You would, like many did.

Oh, I also slept with more female staff than you ever did.
I'm up to 102 women on my list so far: I can 'raise the bat' having passed my century.  Tongue Where are you at? Trapped LBW for just 13?  Roll Eyes


Well, I guess women who've gone through menopause still have sexual desires.
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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #92 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Now you're making desperate stupid accusations.

It must butt-hurt you to have an lowly AiN give your Intellectual Ego some stick.

I must have been doing the right thing.
Only the 'over-achievers' had a problem with me (or the blatant corrupt ones).
Really butt-hurt them to see lowly me hanging out with the 'best' of them in the Hospitals.
Having coffee with Prof Sugrue, Crozier and more.
Grin




Butt hurt? Not really. You just think you are scoring points. Hard to score when essentially everything you say is made up.


Better to have someone make something up,
than someone like you who can't/won't make 'anything' up at all.  Wink

"smell it, smell it!!"





So better to lie than not say anything.


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Everybody experiences 'loss'.
You chose the 'bad' way to lose.
Sorry Bojack, but that comment shows what you would do,
when you get desperate.
I would never accuse someone of lying, unless I had...

...the evidence.  Wink


Not up to me to show you are lying, you need to prove you are correct.
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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #93 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:10pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:44am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:37am:
Oh, I also slept with more female staff than you ever did.
I'm up to 102 women on my list so far: I can 'raise the bat' having passed my century.  Tongue Where are you at? Trapped LBW for just 13?  Roll Eyes




Ummm, sleeping with 102 women? Why is that anything to brag about?


Why is being an AiN anything to be put down about?
Especially by an intellectual over-achiever Ego like yours?

I worked the Medical Industry for the 'love' of it.
It wasn't for the money (although I could rack up $2000 in a week via Agency rates and double shifts) and AiN isn't about the money  Roll Eyes
I learned a lot about 'people' doing AiN.
I even found a 'wife' via the Medical Industry and pro-created.
I had Doctors/Surgeons pressure the Uni to get me in (but no, it was not my path, to do so and other circumstances).
I alerted a 'specialist' Admin, new to the position of GM of a Hospital about stuff going on. Wasn't long after I left - she busted an Indian staff member siphoning out Medical stock to the value of $2.3 million.
I picked up the 'compensation' of Dementia patients (all now recognised by Doctors) who lose something, but gain something else (much like Blind people with better than normal hearing, like colour-blind people with 20% better night vision, like Deaf people who are more visually attuned ...people who follow a strength, not chase a weaknes [like para-Olympians]).
I provided a cheaper alternative to excoriation 'prevention' - rather than people having the pensions raided for expensive 'pharmacy' products.
I had many a good relationship with many a female staff member but kept the ethic of not attending to anyone under 20 years of age for personal space: bedwash, toileting.
I could work with 1 RN in a ward of 15 patients with 3 phones going, 7 Doctors needing attention for their whims.
I could 'handle' aggressive Psyche patients without the need to put my hands on them, far better than any Police or Security personnel in the Hospital.
One old fella laid over 100 punches into me, but I have never ever punched a patient back.
I ran a Private Hospital for half a shift.
...I'm sure there are other things, like having worked many different departments (except ICU).

But now, I'm moving into an Industry (thanks to a woman who has the same name of the woman who gave birth to my child) that is totally different and its going to be the Industry where I make my 'money' and attain high rank (which apparently means a lot to you in regards to 'knowing everything').

Something lost, is something gained.

Ahh, Life.

If you want to conquer 'Cancer', you might want to look outside the square (box that you work in) and the Medical Industry for that matter too  Wink


I have friends who had a neighbor that ran a Martial Arts school in Oakey, QLD, and had over 200 students. He was offered to fight Jeff Horn for $2 million but turned down the offer after he realised that he was the reincarnation of Jesus.

Seriously, if you've done some of the things you've claimed to have done as an AiN, regardless of how much medical knowledge you think you have, then you must have worked in some of the most unethical places in the country, who were willing to risk the jobs and licenses of potentially multiple staff members if s!@t hit the fan, to allow for procedures that must be performed by a RN or Doctor to be performed by an AiN instead, or to be so understaffed that they had no choice but to use an AiN.
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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #94 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:15pm
 
I went for an MBA ... Business Administration.
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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #95 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 5:16pm
 
minarchist wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:10pm:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:44am:
Jasin wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 11:37am:
Oh, I also slept with more female staff than you ever did.
I'm up to 102 women on my list so far: I can 'raise the bat' having passed my century.  Tongue Where are you at? Trapped LBW for just 13?  Roll Eyes




Ummm, sleeping with 102 women? Why is that anything to brag about?


Why is being an AiN anything to be put down about?
Especially by an intellectual over-achiever Ego like yours?

I worked the Medical Industry for the 'love' of it.
It wasn't for the money (although I could rack up $2000 in a week via Agency rates and double shifts) and AiN isn't about the money  Roll Eyes
I learned a lot about 'people' doing AiN.
I even found a 'wife' via the Medical Industry and pro-created.
I had Doctors/Surgeons pressure the Uni to get me in (but no, it was not my path, to do so and other circumstances).
I alerted a 'specialist' Admin, new to the position of GM of a Hospital about stuff going on. Wasn't long after I left - she busted an Indian staff member siphoning out Medical stock to the value of $2.3 million.
I picked up the 'compensation' of Dementia patients (all now recognised by Doctors) who lose something, but gain something else (much like Blind people with better than normal hearing, like colour-blind people with 20% better night vision, like Deaf people who are more visually attuned ...people who follow a strength, not chase a weaknes [like para-Olympians]).
I provided a cheaper alternative to excoriation 'prevention' - rather than people having the pensions raided for expensive 'pharmacy' products.
I had many a good relationship with many a female staff member but kept the ethic of not attending to anyone under 20 years of age for personal space: bedwash, toileting.
I could work with 1 RN in a ward of 15 patients with 3 phones going, 7 Doctors needing attention for their whims.
I could 'handle' aggressive Psyche patients without the need to put my hands on them, far better than any Police or Security personnel in the Hospital.
One old fella laid over 100 punches into me, but I have never ever punched a patient back.
I ran a Private Hospital for half a shift.
...I'm sure there are other things, like having worked many different departments (except ICU).

But now, I'm moving into an Industry (thanks to a woman who has the same name of the woman who gave birth to my child) that is totally different and its going to be the Industry where I make my 'money' and attain high rank (which apparently means a lot to you in regards to 'knowing everything').

Something lost, is something gained.

Ahh, Life.

If you want to conquer 'Cancer', you might want to look outside the square (box that you work in) and the Medical Industry for that matter too  Wink


I have friends who had a neighbor that ran a Martial Arts school in Oakey, QLD, and had over 200 students. He was offered to fight Jeff Horn for $2 million but turned down the offer after he realised that he was the reincarnation of Jesus.

Seriously, if you've done some of the things you've claimed to have done as an AiN, regardless of how much medical knowledge you think you have, then you must have worked in some of the most unethical places in the country, who were willing to risk the jobs and licenses of potentially multiple staff members if s!@t hit the fan, to allow for procedures that must be performed by a RN or Doctor to be performed by an AiN instead, or to be so understaffed that they had no choice but to use an AiN.


Don't blame me. Blame the Australian Medical Industry - you know, the one that follows the same path as the British and USA Medical Industry...

...you know, the one that would fall even further behind 'medically' compared to other 'better' Medical Nations - if it wasn't for the 'money'.
...you know, the one that is just the 'sick bay' in Parliament House and a Military Base.

I just did my job - MEDICALLY, even if I didn't bow down to rules of Politics/Legalities (and even Religion  Wink).

But of course, it is Australia after all and we all know the Australian Medical Industry couldn't run its own show if it tried - very 'dependent' on Politics to keep it running.
So, not being able to put a Band-Aid on someone because of their Religion, because I needed to fill out 30 pages for legalities, etc...

I left.

You all get what you pay for and well...

Did you know that when someone breaks their arm in New Zealand, they can't 'sue' (Legal avenue) for money, instead they are given top MEDICAL treatment, all paid for.
Guess there won't be any payouts for slabs of beer, pot and other non-medical benefits thanks to 'Law'.

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Re: Is a tertiary degree worth the expense these days?
Reply #96 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 8:51am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:27pm:
The utter unwillingness of most humanities academics to have anything to do with a course in Western Civilisation (scholarships offered by the Ramsey Foundation) is a case in point.








Why do you think ANU refused to have anything to do with it.

Union pressure.

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Reply #97 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:17am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 8:51am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:27pm:
The utter unwillingness of most humanities academics to have anything to do with a course in Western Civilisation (scholarships offered by the Ramsey Foundation) is a case in point.








Why do you think ANU refused to have anything to do with it.

Union pressure.





Incorrect. It was because tANU wasn't comfortable awarding a degree with little control over curriculum and staffing.
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Reply #98 - Nov 15th, 2018 at 6:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:06am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I found my tertiary degree became nothing more than another 3 years of study for the sake of study. It started out as a double degree that would have lead somewhere. But, once I was lucid enough to realise how incompatible I was with the degree, I dropped the incompatible part and just continued with the other section for a single degree. I would admit that the information I learned did end up helping me a few years later. But I do not need the degree at all these days. If I had my time again, I would do a traineeship, and then get on with a fulltime job by the time I became 20 years old. That is assuming that I did not get a better part-time job before I finished my traineeship/certificate.


A degree is very often the first selection criterion for a lot of jobs. Not because of the content of the course but because completing a degree demonstrates that you can sit quietly in a room for three years, have learned to follow instruction and interpret tasks - skills that are valuable in every job. On;y professional courses are relevant for their content.
A lot of the bureaucracy has arts degrees, having demonstrated not that they know so much about, say Renaissance Italian art and poetry, but that they can focus for sustained periods and put together an argument to a task they were able to properly grasp.


I am aware of the value of studying for a degree. But if they don't give you more than a "spend 3 years sitting around listening to instructions and then regurgitating those facts back at them" then they are not worth the 900 days of study you could have used to do something worthwhile.


That was never my experience at uni.


That is my Arts degree experience. Lecture. Tutorial. Research. Essays/Reports. Exams. If there was a research job in the region, I would have been employed 18 years ago fulltime there.
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Reply #99 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 8:21am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 15th, 2018 at 6:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:06am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I found my tertiary degree became nothing more than another 3 years of study for the sake of study. It started out as a double degree that would have lead somewhere. But, once I was lucid enough to realise how incompatible I was with the degree, I dropped the incompatible part and just continued with the other section for a single degree. I would admit that the information I learned did end up helping me a few years later. But I do not need the degree at all these days. If I had my time again, I would do a traineeship, and then get on with a fulltime job by the time I became 20 years old. That is assuming that I did not get a better part-time job before I finished my traineeship/certificate.


A degree is very often the first selection criterion for a lot of jobs. Not because of the content of the course but because completing a degree demonstrates that you can sit quietly in a room for three years, have learned to follow instruction and interpret tasks - skills that are valuable in every job. On;y professional courses are relevant for their content.
A lot of the bureaucracy has arts degrees, having demonstrated not that they know so much about, say Renaissance Italian art and poetry, but that they can focus for sustained periods and put together an argument to a task they were able to properly grasp.


I am aware of the value of studying for a degree. But if they don't give you more than a "spend 3 years sitting around listening to instructions and then regurgitating those facts back at them" then they are not worth the 900 days of study you could have used to do something worthwhile.


That was never my experience at uni.


That is my Arts degree experience. Lecture. Tutorial. Research. Essays/Reports. Exams. If there was a research job in the region, I would have been employed 18 years ago fulltime there.



Not unis fault you did a arts degree
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UnsubRocky lacked the initiative and drive to capitalize on his education and gave up.

UnsubRocky has a society bottom-end burger-chips-coke, super-sized, with a menial work lifestyle which explains his failure to overcome his obesity problem.
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Reply #101 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:28pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 8:51am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:27pm:
The utter unwillingness of most humanities academics to have anything to do with a course in Western Civilisation (scholarships offered by the Ramsey Foundation) is a case in point.








Why do you think ANU refused to have anything to do with it.

Union pressure.





Incorrect. It was because tANU wasn't comfortable awarding a degree with little control over curriculum and staffing.

Bollocks. You haven't been following this case.

There is NO demand by Ramsey to curtail academic freedom and the standard course approval and management process.

It is a course about the Great Books of Western Civilisation. Not a course about how to degrade and undermine the Great Books and Ideas of the West (the ANU and  USyd shouty academics' approach)


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Reply #102 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 8:42am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 6:28pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 15th, 2018 at 9:17am:
Frank wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 6:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 8:51am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:27pm:
The utter unwillingness of most humanities academics to have anything to do with a course in Western Civilisation (scholarships offered by the Ramsey Foundation) is a case in point.








Why do you think ANU refused to have anything to do with it.

Union pressure.





Incorrect. It was because tANU wasn't comfortable awarding a degree with little control over curriculum and staffing.

Bollocks. You haven't been following this case.

There is NO demand by Ramsey to curtail academic freedom and the standard course approval and management process.

It is a course about the Great Books of Western Civilisation. Not a course about how to degrade and undermine the Great Books and Ideas of the West (the ANU and  USyd shouty academics' approach)






I actually did follow the case, I heard the statement at the time. ANU opted out because it wasn't going to have the usual amount of control given in this case over staffing and curriculum.
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Reply #103 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 10:55pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 8:21am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 15th, 2018 at 6:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:06am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:02am:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I found my tertiary degree became nothing more than another 3 years of study for the sake of study. It started out as a double degree that would have lead somewhere. But, once I was lucid enough to realise how incompatible I was with the degree, I dropped the incompatible part and just continued with the other section for a single degree. I would admit that the information I learned did end up helping me a few years later. But I do not need the degree at all these days. If I had my time again, I would do a traineeship, and then get on with a fulltime job by the time I became 20 years old. That is assuming that I did not get a better part-time job before I finished my traineeship/certificate.


A degree is very often the first selection criterion for a lot of jobs. Not because of the content of the course but because completing a degree demonstrates that you can sit quietly in a room for three years, have learned to follow instruction and interpret tasks - skills that are valuable in every job. On;y professional courses are relevant for their content.
A lot of the bureaucracy has arts degrees, having demonstrated not that they know so much about, say Renaissance Italian art and poetry, but that they can focus for sustained periods and put together an argument to a task they were able to properly grasp.


I am aware of the value of studying for a degree. But if they don't give you more than a "spend 3 years sitting around listening to instructions and then regurgitating those facts back at them" then they are not worth the 900 days of study you could have used to do something worthwhile.


That was never my experience at uni.


That is my Arts degree experience. Lecture. Tutorial. Research. Essays/Reports. Exams. If there was a research job in the region, I would have been employed 18 years ago fulltime there.


Not unis fault you did a arts degree


Agree with you there. Definitely agree. Wish I did a tafe course and just moved on with life.
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Reply #104 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:05pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 16th, 2018 at 9:19am:
UnsubRocky lacked the initiative and drive to capitalize on his education and gave up.

UnsubRocky has a society bottom-end burger-chips-coke, super-sized, with a menial work lifestyle which explains his failure to overcome his obesity problem.


Despite the intention of you to insult me, you are not far off being. By 17 years of age, I was experiencing schizophrenia. I had a real bit of trouble adjusting to adulthood with work and study. Had I completed my initial degree, I would probably be unemployable. Though, I was unemployable (other than the job that I was doing) with the changed degree I did. Then things went downhill when I was living on my own and doing another degree. Though I did learn a lot from it, I did not complete the degree, and now have a $40,000 HECS debt.

I now work in a different job, compared to 2001. Though not all that far from what I was doing when I was 17 years old. And, yes, I was a really fat fella in 2014. I think I got to 128kg with my junk food diet and occasional exercise lifestyle. But, when you are depressed like I was, getting obese is something that is not really avoidable until you learn that you have something to keep you focused on living. Only the last 3 or 4 months I have been able to slowly lose that weight.
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