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Where do individual rights end?
Nov 10th, 2018 at 8:49pm
 
and how much should the state protect them?
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Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:21pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
and how much should the state protect them?

If it's individual rights don't hurt anybody then I don't have any issue with them.
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Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
and how much should the state protect them?

If it's individual rights don't hurt anybody then I don't have any issue with them.


Individual right to;

Euthanasia
Heroin
Not wear a helmet
Drive over speed limit
Self mutilation or consenting to being mutilated eg FGM.
Child hormone blockers
Carrying a gun
Not obey the law
Not pay tax
etc
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Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 10:06pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
and how much should the state protect them?

If it's individual rights don't hurt anybody then I don't have any issue with them.


Individual right to;

Euthanasia
Heroin
Not wear a helmet
Drive over speed limit
Self mutilation or consenting to being mutilated eg FGM.
Child hormone blockers
Carrying a gun
Not obey the law
Not pay tax
etc


The only rights Australians have is to pay taxes and obey the ever increasing laws implemented by a corrupt, greedy and immoral grubberment.

Unfortunately, our overlords believe they are above such niceties and do what they wish.

We seriously need a revolution

Ill build the guillotines
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Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 1:55am
 
A more important question is:-

Where do human rights begin?

But I see your point... many things that are artificially labeled as 'rights' these days are not rights.... sometimes they are privileges... sometimes they are generalised 'rights' that require enforcement - which means they cannot be Rights as such.

There is, for instance, no Right to walk the streets safely at night.. there IS the Right to receive protection of the law in the event that your right to walk the streets at night without doing anyone harm is abrogated... that does not mean that a police officer will escort everyone in every street on every night, and that the actions of criminals will not intrude on your walk....

Perhaps your splendid corpse will receive the Right of Due Process Under Law against your killer.....



There are Rights.... and then there are rights... the latter are usually self-proclaimed....

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Reply #5 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 2:08am
 
Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 9:21pm:
Term Dog wrote on Nov 10th, 2018 at 8:49pm:
and how much should the state protect them?

If it's individual rights don't hurt anybody then I don't have any issue with them.


Individual right to;

Euthanasia
Heroin
Not wear a helmet
Drive over speed limit
Self mutilation or consenting to being mutilated eg FGM.
Child hormone blockers
Carrying a gun
Not obey the law
Not pay tax
etc



I think you need to look at all of those on an individual basis.... some of those are not rights at all... rights are constrained by responsibility.... not just what any person wants....

This argument puts the kybosh on many recent 'personal choice' issues..... rights are not involved - rights are defined by inclusions and exclusions.... those are regulated in keeping, theoretically, with the wishes of the majority in a democratic society, and are not subject to personal whim....

You cannot speed or break the law (etc) as some right to personal choice.... personal choice can never over-ride the right of the majority to live in peace etc....

For example - a Muslim has no Right to attack innocent bystanders in Bourke Street, Melbourne... his religious/ideological belief does not permit him the right to abrogate the rights of others.... he is entitled to his personal choice ONLY in the confines of his own space..... and nobody else's.

Same thing applies when I drive down the highway - do whatever you want, assholes - just not in my space.... don't tail-gate, don't cut in, don't drive like a dick, don't make unheralded lane changes, don't box me in with a slower moving truck because you want to go a little faster and can't judge that you are cutting someone off.... there are wide open spaces out there, Pilgrims... no need to be perpetual bugger-ups at 110kph and + ....

Same applies in society.... do what you want outside my space.... but don't involve me.
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Reply #6 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 2:08am
 
We don't have the right to live, that was demonstrated quite clearly by a violent muslim darkie that the govt and progressives stuck up for by allowing him to remain in OZ, they even took his passport from him so he could kill someone in Australia

The govt and progressives are turning into Stalinists - a few deaths here and there can't be permitted to foil the bigger Communist picture

We have no rights, we only have a strange rule of law, and it's getting stranger, you can kill your parents and be found innocent. If you kill your parents while on drugs, you'll be found doubly innocent. Quite strange!
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Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 6:12am
 
No rights in a dictatorship. You'll all do as you're told.
If you don't you'll pay a hefty fine or do time.
Now...back to living your dull lives.
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Where do individual rights end?


17 George Street Sydney ?
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Reply #9 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 8:45am
 
silly really    they are mainly RULES..imagine everyone doing their own thing   because its how they think....we would be all over the place.... even having rules  doesnt make society work .. but its better than having NO RULES?RIGHTS

just take a look at the drive over the speed limit..

which is what most do anyway.....only a few get caught   and a few die... imagine how many would die if there was no SPEED RULE>.


ye gods.....
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Reply #10 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 9:50am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 11th, 2018 at 8:06am:
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Where do individual rights end?


17 George Street Sydney ?


Macquarie Street ...
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