Gandalf, please explain why God would fill an immortal tablet from heaven with commandments about how to treat the Prophet in the his home, and how to treat his wives? Considering that Muhammad is the supposed narrator of God's word.

Consider verse 33:53:

    O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses, except when leave is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse, without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth.

It seems to me that the people simply weren't getting the message in the first instance, and so Muhammad conjured up a revelation so that they would finally listen to him, and no longer 'irritate him'.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 6:25pm:


So, you don't know, but you know that it has some universal meaning?

What universal meaning is to be inferred from the foregoing verse?

Auggie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:


Geez Auggie, what response did you really expect from that question 

You know, for someone who tries pretty hard to present this persona of a reasonable and tolerant person - you do come across as a bit of a vindictive dick sometimes. Just sayyin.

And I thought you just announced you were leaving this forum forever. What happened with that?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 7:00pm:


Did you ever really believe that a vindictive dick like me would actually honour my own word?

Auggie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2018 at 5:39pm:


That is blasphemy, punishable by imprisonment of death in Pakistan, Saud, and Indonesia to name a few. And if you are unaware, Gandalf claims Australia is part of that gang because Muzlims live here.

For a truckload of aliens with big tits and a swag of little boys maybe?

Today 2018 right now:

The Y.H.W.H. worshipers are quietly minding their own business in their promised land.

Then there are the people who worship Y.H.W.H. through a messiah, also just getting on with their lives.

Sadly we then have the allah worshipers who are the worlds greatest terror threat, the spawning grounds of the allah worshipers is nothing but a pile of rubble, they are backward, poverty is rampant, daily slaughter of other allah worshipers is a constant, daily slaughter of non allah worshipers is rampant, allah worshipers are an almost insurmountable refugee problem for the hated kufirs, as the allah worshipers flee around the globe demanding that the hated kufirs feed and shelter them, allah worshipers are constantly putting little children in mortal danger, both their own and the children of the hated kufirs.

Now it's the 21st century and the allah worshipers are nothing but trouble to both themselves and the hated kufir.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 12^th, 2018 at 8:22am:


That's taqiyya, G. You're just waiting for Whitey to drop his guard, and then, when he least expects it, you'll let him have it.

Bans, censorship, selective editing, you name it.

Yes, you might be quiet now, but as soon as your imam gives the order, you'll be forced to take away our Freeeedom.

That's the Moslem for you. Cunning.

He was such a lovely boy, we just don't know why he was *radicalized*.

I think the symbol is, ffs they don't know why he was a jihadist.

Mental retardation, schizophrenic, physical retardation a book that has a majority theme of: non muslims are hated by allah and his believers, that the highest grade of muslims are those who slay and are slain, they are guaranteed a place in allahs' brothel in the sky.

This book is revered and quoted by muslims as the pinnacle of all understanding.

--------aaaaand they are so stupid they don't know why he become a jihadist.


Or are they lying?

Auggie wrote on Nov 12^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:


No, 1. does not exist. There literally is no 'objective' truth to religion, it simply does not exist outside the interpretations and beliefs of its followers. Religion is *ENTIRELY* subjective. How could it possibly be anything else? This of course is the fundamental problem most Islamic critics like yourself have. Its the Ayan Hirsi approach, an entirely condascending and rather arrogant approach where you pat 'good' muslims on the head and say 'oh thats nice dear, that you believe Islam is peaceful - you are of course 100% wrong though - but its the thought that counts'.

Auggie wrote on Nov 12^th, 2018 at 5:35pm:


Its simple Auggie. From your point of view, I *DON'T* choose Islam as my religion - that is, the inherently violent and intolerant version that you insist Islam is. Call me a non-muslim if it makes you feel better.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 13^th, 2018 at 7:33am:


Ok, let me rephrase the question:

"Why did you choose to identify yourself as a Muslim?"

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 13^th, 2018 at 7:46pm:


I'm afraid that FD has actually copied my ideas, not the other way around. FD started bringing up 'Hitler as Prophet' only after I started talking about it.

Auggie wrote on Nov 13^th, 2018 at 8:56pm:


Really? Do you know what you are, Augie?

You're a trailblazer, an agent of change.

Auggie wrote on Nov 13^th, 2018 at 9:28pm:


I don't think you've had any experience with it, Auggie - outside Moses, FD and Y's posts, of course.

You?

One more thing on the Nazis...

get back to me when beliefs in peace, coexistence and rejection of violent racial superiority becomes mainstream amongst adherents of the Nazi "religion". Until then, the comparison with Islam cannot be valid. However much you point to violent intolerance in Islamic text, and however much you point at violent intolerant muslims, you will never demonstrate that the actual worldwide muslim community is even in the same ballpark as the worldwide Nazi community - in terms of a violent and intolerant ideology being the dominant belief amongst its adherents.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 14^th, 2018 at 12:08am:


What do you mean by experience? Having Muslim friends? Apparently, everyone has those. Dating a Muslim? Having family as Muslims? Being Muslim?

What experience are you referring to?

Auggie wrote on Nov 14^th, 2018 at 5:19pm:


Well do you know any muslim personally? It might be a good start. Though given your bizarre attempt to separate some 'objective truth' of Islamic teachings and what muslims themselves subjectively take out of those teachings - you'll probably make an argument like 'it doesn't matter that many muslims believe Islam is peaceful - the truth is its (objectively) not'. I feel like this line of attack is just a little too convenient that foolproofs your 'blame Islam' meme.

Auggie wrote on Nov 14^th, 2018 at 7:05pm:


lets start with 'what is a given ideology and who gets to decide'?

lets try another one then: what is 'ideology' when separated from its adherents?

I contend that in that situation ideology cannot exist.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2018 at 7:37pm:


The word is righteousness, adherents are of corrupt flesh etc.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2018 at 7:48pm:


Allah? You do believe in Allah don't you?

Auggie should ask allahs' three daughters who muhammad saw somewhere near the lote tree (quran 53: 11-20).

Oh but that's right, the devil snuck those verses into the qur'an when allah wasn't looking, so it's back to square one I guess.

If only muhammad had stuck with his pre-islam allah and his daughters, just think how different the world would have been today.

Yes gandi.

53:11 The heart did not lie [about] what it saw.

53:12 So will you dispute with him over what he saw?

53:13 And he certainly saw him in another descent

53:14 At the Lote Tree of the Utmost Boundary -

53:15 Near it is the Garden of Refuge -

53:16 When there covered the Lote Tree that which covered [it].

53:17 The sight [of the Prophet] did not swerve, nor did it transgress [its limit].

53:18 He certainly saw of the greatest signs of his Lord.

53.19: So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?

53.20: And Manat, the third - the other one?

Here's the background to the saga of the satanic verses gandi.

It is mentioned in some Hadis/Hadith that the current verse in question was changed by Prophet by citing a revelation by God that indeed Satan himself tricked Muhammad bin Abdullah into saying the verse wrongfully i.e. the original verse told the Meccans that worshiping Al-Lat (female consort of Al-Lah) along with daughters of Al-Lah: Al-Uzza and Mannat was allowed.

The background that why this verse was recited was because after a long debate one day during a congregation of Meccans the Prophet was unable to convince them to stop worshiping their current Gods totalling 365 in number whose idols were inside the Kabbah (inside the kabbah there were other idols too like chief deities of various Arabian tribes ). In the end a middle path was chosen and it was decided that all the other Gods were false except the Supreme God i.e. Al-Lah and his family. It is said that this compromise was sealed by the revelation from God through the arch angle Gibreel which is now known as Satanic Verses.

Later Muhammad realized his mistake as it compromises with the monotheistic principles of Islam and thus rectified this Surah with another one i.e. the current one which says it is not permitted to worship these goddesses.

So there we have it the original pre-islam allah had a family, they were originally included then muhammad realized his mistake as they compromised the monotheistic deity hypothesis.

There's no doubt that the islam - allah is just a revamped pagan moon god allah.

The sad thing is that because muhammad lied and said that Christians were allocating partners to allah, instead of truthfully saying that Christians say that Christ is the son of Elohim / Y.H.W.H. / I AM, in the last 1400 years millions of Christians have been subjected to unspeakable human rights atrocities by muslims.

The same thing applies to uncountable number of Jews and all the various other religious groups, who have been raped tortured and murdered because muhammad decided to call his moon god allah the supreme monotheistic deity.

Nothing good has come out of muhammads reinventing his pagan allah.

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 8:07am:


Because according to Islam, Allah gave those commandments. It doesn't matter what I personally believe; it matters what the religion teaches.

Auggie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 6:44pm:


I'm not talking about according to Islam, Auggie, I'm talking about according to Auggie. And this is what you said:

There are two views on religion on belief:

1) What the religion teaches (objective)

2) What its followers believe about the religion (subjective)

What you believe about Islam might not correspond with what Islam teaches.

You insist, somehow, that "what the religion teaches" is somehow objectively separate to "what its followers believe about the religion" - as expressed in your last sentence above. You then followed up this statement by talking about "objective tenets of Islam" - again presumably somehow separate to "what its followers believe". Thats what you "personally believe" - and yes it matters if you are at all interested in having a coherent argument.

And I contend its complete nonsense, as I don't believe there can be anything "objective" about religion, because it literally cannot exist outside the subjective human domain. How can it possibly be otherwise? "what the religion teaches" can only come from the interpretations and beliefs of other humans, and is therefore inescapably subjective.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 7:34pm:


Why do you need to interpret it when the Quran says it's clear?

And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.-https://quran.com/16/89

[This is] a Book whose verses are perfected and then presented in detail from [one who is] Wise and Acquainted-https://quran.com/11/1

"Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" [highlight]And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.-https://quran.com/6/114

[highlight]And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.-https://quran.com/16/89

A Book whose verses have been detailed, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know,-https://quran.com/41/3


This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah - https://quran.com/2/2

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:


Would you say that belief in Muhammad as a Prophet is an objective tenet of Islam? That most Muslims would argue that one is not a Muslim is they don't believe that Muhammad was a Prophet?

Auggie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:


One could be a Baha'i if one didn't believe that Mo was the last prophet. Baha'i would be a step up from Islam even though it's root is in Shia Islam.

Auggie wrote on Nov 15^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:


The second question - obviously yes. The first question, no. You seem to be stuck in some circular argument where you refuse to accept or understand that I don't accept the premise of your arguments. Can you actually understand the fundamental contradiction between statements containing the phrase "belief in" and statements containing the phrase "objective tenet"?

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 16^th, 2018 at 8:12am:


So, what is objectivity? If 90% of adherents believe in something is that considered to be 'as objective as possible'? Or is just 'collective subjectivity'?

Most Muslims would not accept that a Muslim who doesn't believe in Muhammad is not a Muslim. This is objective to the point that the overwhelming majority of adherents of the Islamic faith believe these tenets.

When I used the term objectivity, what I mean to say is that there are certain beliefs that the majority of adherents would agree are the fundamentals and the basics.

When talking about Christians, there's no point in talking about Christians who don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God because they don't believe what the majority of Christians not only believe about Jesus but also what they believe Christianity is.

Most religious adherents, yourself included, would consider scripture to be absolute truth and fact. I'm not a religious person; I'm not bound by 'collective subjective' tenets about certain religions; you are.

So, if the word objectivity doesn't sit well with you, let's use the term 'collectively subjective' beliefs - to the extend that they are so subjective that are almost objective in nature.

Yeah every schoolboy knows that they just *misinterpreted* it, when they went out and slaughtered men women and children kufirs.

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4.74: Let those that fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

2:207. And of mankind is he who would sell himself, seeking the Pleasure of Allah. And Allah is full of Kindness to (His) slaves.

61:11.  That you believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!

qur'an 4.95: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

9.111: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.


Sell the life of this world for the other? Slay and be slain?

The suicide bomber is convinced that he is selling this life on earth for allahs' paradise (hour'is with big tits and little boys).

Didn't muhammad tell them that paradise is under the shadow of the sword, in order to get them to fight to the death?

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 8:26pm:

No kuffar is innocent. Slavery or death is their lot under iSlam.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:


"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan" (Qur'an 4:76)

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (Qur'an 9:5).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

AND:
8:39
9:1-11
9:29
9:38-42,9:80-91
9:91
9:123
9:19-20, 57:10, 61:11
Sura 47:
47:20-23
47:25
48:29


Islam will always jizz ya, Paki.  You like. That's what brings you to it.

Karnal wrote: Reply #65 - Yesterday at 8:26pm

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The Christians who muhammad falsely accused of ascribing partners to allah, then subsequently being raped tortured and slaughtered in their millions over the last millennium and a half, are a prime example of innocent people being subjected to the most evil and appalling human rights atrocities by muslims as a doctrinal duty.

The exact same thing applies to any other people of whatever persuasion they may be, being subjugated to the atrocities plied by muslims to the kufir, all non believers are innocent.

Where does the qur'an say to be kind to the non-believer?

Infact it's the exact opposite, the qur'an first off says allah causes disbelief, then it says that disbelief is hateful to allah and muslims, plus it says corrupters and hypocrites are to be tortured and killed.

islam is nothing more than a pack of lies from start to finish, allah never was an Abrahamic God, he is a reinvented pagan Arabian moon god, nothing more nothing less.

Because of the lies and evil nature of allahs' creator muhammad, today muslims are the terrorists of the world, the refugees of the world demanding the kufir feed and shelter them, muslims are a threat and burden to all mankind.

World events right now bear out my words.

karnal wrote: Reply #71 - Today at 4:11pm

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A sample of the doctrine which motivates the highest grade of muslims:

qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

O.k. the above describes corrupters, then we have:

qur'an 4.88: What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].

qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

why are muslims of two minds concerning the hypocrite / corrupter, if they don't wake up seize and kill them

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

another command to torture and kill people for corruption

qur'an 66.9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

muhammad backing up his desire to torture and slaughter people who can think for themselves

Torture and kill hypocrites and corrupters would definitely come under the heading of killing random believers yes?

karnal wrote: Reply #73 - Today at 1:35pm
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qur'an 2.8: And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.

qur'an 2.10: In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.

qur'an 2.11: And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."

qur'an 2.12: Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.

You don't think the above are referring to muslims who muhammad was pissed off with because they weren't bloodthirsty enough for him?

qur'an 3.167: And that He might make evident those who are hypocrites. For it was said to them, "Come, fight in the way of Allah or [at least] defend." They said, "If we had known [there would be] fighting, we would have followed you." They were nearer to disbelief that day than to faith, saying with their mouths what was not in their hearts. And Allah is most Knowing of what they conceal.

Once again the qur'an is decrying the muslims who don't want to continually kill people they are hypocrites.

qur'an 4.88: What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance].

qur'an 4.89: They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

hypocrites are those muslims who didn't want to *come fight in the way of allah* muhammad hated the peaceful muslim

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

torture and slaughter the corrupter muslim or otherwise

qur'an 66.9: O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

here we have allah telling muhammad to strive against and be hash with hypocrites

So a hypocrite would be a muslim who another muslim thinks is not practicing islam correctly, well then the criticizing muslim has the authority to seize and kill them, or add the charge of corruption and you can torture them as well.

It's all happening right now in the birth place of islam, muslims torturing and slaughtering other muslims without the slightest hint of a conscience, because it's a sacred duty according to the qur'an.

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2018 at 10:42am:



Oh? The police in Melbourne are no 'armed enemies', as are cafe owners coming to your aid as you clamber from a burning ute?  Convert going teemnage girls are armed enemies?


FITH disease is to be added to you many ailments and diseases, Paki.

No, old boy, you might have got me wrong

Where does it say in the Holy Quran that Dirty Pakis get to make the laws for Lovey Whites?

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, it says the Muselman has to get on with us, no?

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And last but not least:

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https://abuaminaelias.com/obeying-the-law-in-non-muslim-countries/

And...

It is a jolly world, no?

Allah knows best, dear.

gandalf wrote: Reply #79 - Today at 9:57am
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Gandi you are simply regurgitating  the lies of muhammad which in effect have been responsible for the millennium and a half of human rights atrocities committed against the Jews and Christians by muslims.

The God of Abraham told Moses that his name was I AM THAT I AM about 1500 B.C. which is over 2000 years before there was a muslim on this earth.

Not once in the Old Testament or New Testament is God referred to as allah, nor is islam or muslim mentioned.

In the 7th century A.D. muhammad decided to adopt monotheism and push his moon god as the sole monotheistic god of the universe.

However in his usual form he made a couple of mistakes.

We've all heard about the satanic verses e.g.:

Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza

And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)

Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:

These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)

Whose intercession is to be hoped for.(53:21,22)

Why was this the original *revelation* to muhammad?

Why did muhammad then have to say that satan tricked him into reciting the moon god ritual concerning the daughters?

Why did he have to replace 21/22 with:

Are yours the males and His the females?

That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)

There is absolutely no doubt that allah was never the monotheistic god of the Jews / Christians.

Yet your prophet lied and accused them of false worshipping which has lead to unspeakable atrocities being committed against Jewish / Christian little girls, women and men.

Why isn't allah muslims and islam cited once in the Old and New Testament?

Auggie wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 6:04pm:


Indeed. There's a militant minority in the Karmic Christian community who believe certain things too.

Yadda said:

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

moses wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:38pm:


See?

gandalf wrote: Reply #85 - Today at 8:00am

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It is the absolute argument.

It totally demolishes the lies of muhammad that allah was the god of Abraham.

The gandalf wrote: Reply #85 - Today at 8:00am

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It is the absolute argument.

It totally demolishes the lies of muhammad that allah was the god of Abraham.

The timeline of the O.T. and N.T. predate islam by about 4600 years, not once is islam allah or muslim ever mentioned, muhammad lied when he pathetically tried to plagiarize the chronicles of the Hebrews and Christians.

The deliberate lies of your *prophet*  has led to millions of Jews and Christians being unspeakably abused by muslims in the last 1400 years. Writings of the O.T. and N.T. predate islam by about 4600 years, not once is islam allah or muslim ever mentioned, muhammad lied when he pathetically tried to plagiarize the chronicles of the Hebrews and Christians.

The deliberate lies of your *prophet*  has led to millions of Jews and Christians being unspeakably tortured and slaughtered by muslims in the last 1400 years.

They certainly weren't, the Bible precedes the qur'an by over 4600 years, today we have the English translation not once is allah muslim or islam mentioned. (not once does the Bible give reference to Abraham going to Mecca to build a kabah, why is that?)

We have the English translation of the qur'an it says the name of your god is allah time and time again.

Muhammad slaughtered people who didn't worship his new version of allah, why is that?

The English translation of your shahadah is: There is no god but allah, and muhammad is his messenger

It is nothing more than an islamic lie that allah is the god of Abraham.

There is no doubt that islamic allah is nothing more than a reinvented pagan moon god allah.

Up to the time of muhammad allah was a pagan moon god with three daughters, muhammad originally kept the daughters of allah in the qur'an as a token appeasement to the other pagan Arabian tribes, in order to get them to accept islam.

He then had a new *revelation* and replaced two verses decrying his original *revelation*.

Muslims still to this day practice many pagan practices, praying towards Mecca, pilgrimage to Mecca, the housing of the black stone at the kabbah, circling the black stone, kissing the black stone, throwing stones at imaginary spirits in the kabbah, the run between two hills, it's all too much to just be coincidence.

It wouldn't be of any importance , except for the fact that muhammad preached hatred for anyone who didn't worship his reinvented moon god allah, hatred for those who did worship but were considered hypocrites and corrupters.

This has resulted in untold millions of innocent people being raped tortured and slaughtered by muslims in the last 1400 years.

Very true gandi the bible is an English translation.

The English translation of the Hebrew writings says your *prophet* lied when he said that allah was the monotheistic god of Abraham.

I base my deducing on the simple fact that allah is the English translation of the name of your god in the qur'an and your shahada.

Your shahada states that there is no god but allah.

Therefore if Abraham had worshipped allah then their writings would have had a Hebrew word which meant allah, consequently when the Hebrew word for allah was translated into English it would have read as allah, however it does not, for nowhere is the word allah observed in the entire O.T. or N.T., therefore your *prophet lied*.

Is your shahada lying when the English translation says that there is no god but allah?

I'm saying that your prophet reinvented his pagan moon god allah into a monotheistic god who hated all people who do not worship him.

Accordingly, millions of innocent people have been raped tortured and murdered by muslims, as these muslims can find justification for their human rights atrocities in the qur'an (muslims are still carrying out these atrocities today 2018).

It seems that the world would have been a far better place if muhammad had left his moon god well enough alone.

Today collectively speaking, because of muhammads' lies, depraved teachings and lifestyle, muslims are right at the bottom of the societal ladder.

muslims are the worlds terrorists, muslims are the worlds refugees, poverty and illiteracy is rampant, muslims are starving little children by their actions, muslims are putting little children in mortal danger every single day of the year, muslims right now are the scourge of the earth costing kufir countries billions of dollars as the kufir feeds and shelters the millions of fleeing muslims around the globe, let alone the untold $millions as the kufir fights the muslim terrorist ideology globally.

So the no god but allah lie has most certainly not done anything for muslims gandi, it seems that it has dragged you down to the lowest level possible on the global societal scale.

The irony is that after all the evil muslims have perpetrated against other muslims and non-believers, you actually believe that the way up is to dig deeper into the evil prevarication of islam.

Maybe it's karma, maybe it's the spirit of righteousness starting to overcome, maybe it's the spirit of evil just leading you further into the depths of depravity, who knows? (but one thing is absolutely certain, up to now the lies of islam have got you exactly nowhere).

-----aaaannnnd islam is a religion of peace?