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2 elections in 2019 to slaughter Labor+Greenies
Nov 6th, 2018 at 6:26am
 
Excitement builds as things look blacker and blacker for Labor self destructing in its cloud of Socialist stupidity.



Coalition MPs mull two elections in 2019
AAP Updated 11 mins ago

Australians could vote in two federal elections next year, under a radical option being canvassed by some government MPs.

Voters could go to the polls in two federal elections next year under a radical proposal that could buy the Morrison government more time to win back support.


A general election in May remains the most likely scenario.

But some coalition MPs are open to holding a Senate election early in 2019 and a separate election for the House of Representatives several months later, Fairfax Media reported on Tuesday.


However, others have dismissed the dual election idea, with one government source telling Nine Network it was "fanciful".

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coalition-mps-mull-two-elections-in-2019

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Reply #1 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 6:53am
 
Great idea! Then we can watch the coalition get thumped twice. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 6:59am
 
Still waiting for the Victorian state election first.  When the people of Victoria elect Labor Premier Andrews for a second term, on November 24.   Smiley
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:10am
 
macman wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 6:53am:
Great idea! Then we can watch the coalition get thumped twice. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:13am
 
My Goodness, the reclusive inarticulate union propaganda parrot Blackday has furtively poked the head out to squawk something unintelligible and quickly return to the safety of the DARK SIDE.

And the Big Mac with Coke and Fries just does the usual HATE stuff.

And the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.

Otherwise a complete non-event by the insignificant Lefties.

And the ludicrous Socialist Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to RESTART the BOATS and flood Australia with dangerous Black African Terrorists when everyone else is saying REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

And the Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:18am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:13am:
My Goodness, the reclusive inarticulate union propaganda parrot Blackday has furtively poked the head out to squawk something unintelligible and quickly return to the safety of the DARK SIDE.

And the Big Mac with Coke and Fries just does the usual HATE stuff.

And the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.

Otherwise a complete non-event by the insignificant Lefties.

And the ludicrous Socialist Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to RESTART the BOATS and flood Australia with dangerous Black African Terrorists when everyone else is saying REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

And the Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!


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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:18am
 
From the looks of juliar's news, there's yet again more internal conflicts within the coalition ranks over elections.  They still haven't learnt to provide a united front?
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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:22am
 
Having two elections will piss the public right off and incur additional cost that is not necessary apart from attempting some grubby politics to advantage the incumbent....Bring it on Morriscum and see how the electorate punishes your self indulgent manipulation were voters are forced to the polls to vote you out twice.....It will never happen and shows how worried the Coalition should be!!!

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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:13am
 
Just when you thought the stupid bar couldn't be set any lower....
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Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:18am
 
The Polly Waflle VIRUS describes himself to a tee.

But now ScoMo reckons there will be just one election in May 2019 to throw GetUp!+Greenies+Labor into total confusion.
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Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:23am
 
Greggy the Village Idiot troll VIRUS with the mind of a neurotic child strikes again with more childish stupidity. That's all the poor dumb coot can manage. Rumor he was banned from Aussie Politics.


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:18am:
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:13am:
My Goodness, the reclusive inarticulate union propaganda parrot Blackday has furtively poked the head out to squawk something unintelligible and quickly return to the safety of the DARK SIDE.

And the Big Mac with Coke and Fries just does the usual HATE stuff.

And the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.

Otherwise a complete non-event by the insignificant Lefties.

And the ludicrous Socialist Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to RESTART the BOATS and flood Australia with dangerous Black African Terrorists when everyone else is saying REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

And the Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!


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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:24am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:23am:
Greggy the Village Idiot troll VIRUS with the mind of a neurotic child strikes again with more childish stupidity. That's all the poor dumb coot can manage. Rumor he was banned from Aussie Politics.


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:18am:
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:13am:
My Goodness, the reclusive inarticulate union propaganda parrot Blackday has furtively poked the head out to squawk something unintelligible and quickly return to the safety of the DARK SIDE.

And the Big Mac with Coke and Fries just does the usual HATE stuff.

And the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.

Otherwise a complete non-event by the insignificant Lefties.

And the ludicrous Socialist Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to RESTART the BOATS and flood Australia with dangerous Black African Terrorists when everyone else is saying REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

And the Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!


http://c3.thejournal.ie/media/2012/11/shutterstock_1004921-390x285.jpg



And yet, here I am.


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Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:39am
 
This is political ineptness at it very worst.

A half Senate election would be a repeat of the Wentworth by-election in Senate and a decimation of Coalition numbers. Half-Senate elections have traditionally been seen as giant by-elections. Having a half-Senate election when the government is coming off a 19 percent swing in a by-election would be insane. It would see the Coalition lose up to six Senators, Labor could gain as many, and it would hand Labor the whip hand. It would give Labor the moral right to block most legislation in the Senate because the government no longer has any mandate. Labor would be looking very good for control of the Senate in 2022, needing only the support of the Greens to pass legislation.

This is a very dangerous option for a minority government because the six crossbenchers would be likely to support a no confidence motion. Some government MPs on small margins would get referred off to the High Court. Dutton in particular is very vulnerable. Once one goes, more would follow in quick succession. A High Court challenge may not be heard in time for any by-elections to be held before May, but if the government decides to be reckless in this way, by-elections for up to six government MPs become live options. Except by-elections wouldn't be held; the government would lose control on the House in a vote of no confidence and off to a general election we would go.

If Morrison has any brains at all, he would know his government is doomed and call a half Senate and House election when due. It won't be pleasant, but it would save the furniture because the polls would be around 47-53. Self destructing and then having an election forced by a vote of no confidence when the polls are 44-56 or worse would be far more devastating.
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Reply #13 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:39am
 
Silly dumb coot Greggy the Village Idiot with his neurotic child's mind just doesn't know any better.

Classic Troll deliberately tries to disrupt any intelligent discussion because that makes him feel inadequate which he is.


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:24am:
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:23am:
Greggy the Village Idiot troll VIRUS with the mind of a neurotic child strikes again with more childish stupidity. That's all the poor dumb coot can manage. Rumor he was banned from Aussie Politics.


greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:18am:
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:13am:
My Goodness, the reclusive inarticulate union propaganda parrot Blackday has furtively poked the head out to squawk something unintelligible and quickly return to the safety of the DARK SIDE.

And the Big Mac with Coke and Fries just does the usual HATE stuff.

And the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.

Otherwise a complete non-event by the insignificant Lefties.

And the ludicrous Socialist Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to RESTART the BOATS and flood Australia with dangerous Black African Terrorists when everyone else is saying REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

And the Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!


http://c3.thejournal.ie/media/2012/11/shutterstock_1004921-390x285.jpg



And yet, here I am.


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Reply #14 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:41am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 7:13am:
My Goodness, the reclusive inarticulate union propaganda parrot Blackday has furtively poked the head out to squawk something unintelligible and quickly return to the safety of the DARK SIDE.

And the Big Mac with Coke and Fries just does the usual HATE stuff.

And the Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.

Otherwise a complete non-event by the insignificant Lefties.

And the ludicrous Socialist Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to RESTART the BOATS and flood Australia with dangerous Black African Terrorists when everyone else is saying REDUCE LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

And the Greeny controlled Labor lunatics want to bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!

Who are the GMods these days? This post is clearly against the forum rules for making personal attacks and this kind of posting misconduct should be reported.
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Reply #15 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:43am
 
Poor little Bammy hasn't heard that ScoMo has just said there will be one election.

Good tactics to throw GetUp!+Greenies+Labor into total panic and confusion as they try to peddle their renamed Greeny junk "Policies" plus their MediScare FRAUDS.

And the Greeny Extremists have just told Labor they want the CARBON TAX reintroduced to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!!

And how absurd for little Bammy to complain when he is the master of the nasty off topic spam.
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Reply #16 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:52am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:43am:
Poor little Bammy hasn't heard that ScoMo has just said there will be one election.

Good tactics to throw GetUp!+Greenies+Labor into total panic and confusion as they try to peddle their renamed Greeny junk "Policies" plus their MediScare FRAUDS.

And the Greeny Extremists have just told Labor they want the CARBON TAX reintroduced to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!!!

And how absurd for little Bammy to complain when he is the master of the nasty off topic spam.

Make personal attacks against me, including telling scurrilous lies, and you can say goodbye to your posting rights. You've just made a huge mistake, mister.

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Reply #17 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:01am
 
Now ScoMo hits the fit trail to conquer little busty Billy.



'I still enjoy a beer': Scott Morrison says he hasn't changed his lifestyle at all during his dramatic three-week slim-down - and hints at how he shed fat.
By STEPHEN JOHNSON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA PUBLISHED: 10:54 AEDT, 26 October 2018 | UPDATED: 10:54 AEDT, 26 October 2018

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has visibly lost a lot of weight in just three weeks since the start of October
Liberal leader told Sunrise personality David Koch he still enjoyed a beer as part of his slimmer appearance
He had a noticeable belly when he replaced Malcolm Turnbull in late August and met Indonesian President
ScoMo, as he is also known, had a wide girth when he appeared at the Bathurst 1000 V8 race on October 7
Australia's leading dietitians have hailed his 'dramatic' change but warned him to be wary of the Atkins diet


Prime Minister Scott Morrison insists he still enjoys a beer as part of his new, slimmer look.

Mr Morrison's waist transformation was raised by Sunrise personality David Koch on Friday morning after Daily Mail Australia highlighted some dramatic before and after pictures from early and late October.

Asked if he had made any lifestyle changes during the past three weeks, the Prime Minister was adamant nothing had changed.

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Sunrise personality David Koch asked Prime Minister Scott Morrison about his new, slimmer look after Daily Mail Australia highlighted some dramatic before and after images from early and late October

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ScoMo (pictured at the Bathurst 1000 in early October before his transformation) insists he still enjoys a beer as part of his new, slimmer look

'I've got no idea. I still enjoy a beer. I'm still doing all the things I used to do. Maybe it's just the frenetic energy and pace I'm setting, Kochie,' he told the Seven Network from outside Parliament House in Canberra.

Mr Morrison, who replaced Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister two months ago, claimed he hadn't lost any weight, despite his much trimmer appearance.

Read the slimming rest here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6318241/Prime-Minister-Scott-Morrison-s...
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LOL
The COALition still don't geddit  ... they are toast no matter when or how many elections are held next year.

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Reply #19 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:06am
 
Bammy, you attacked me when I had made no nasty reference to you.

Perhaps you should look at some of the Lefties' attacks on me ? But I take it all in good humor and freely encourage anyone to make any sort of attack on me.

See I realize that the Lefties' attacks on me are really an acknowledgement of my effectiveness.

And nobody need worry that I would bother making any complaint. Go for it the more the better.
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Reply #20 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:12am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:18am:
The Polly Waflle VIRUS describes himself to a tee.

But now ScoMo reckons there will be just one election in May 2019 to throw GetUp!+Greenies+Labor into total confusion.


The truth is Scummo wouldn't know what day it is and is continualy backflipping so nobody really cares what he says, except for yourself fool. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:15am
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:06am:
Bammy, you attacked me when I had made no nasty reference to you.

Perhaps you should look at some of the Lefties' attacks on me ? But I take it all in good humor and freely encourage anyone to make any sort of attack on me.

See I realize that the Lefties' attacks on me are really an acknowledgement of my effectiveness.

And nobody need worry that I would bother making any complaint. Go for it the more the better.

Don't lie, juliar, I've seen you're posting history.
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Reply #22 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:16am
 
Capt N,

A voice of reason amongst the nervous confusion.

ScoMo is well aware of the changing nature of the inner city electorates like Wentworth where people are well off and live in a separate world where Global warming etc is "believed".

But ScoMo is getting out away from the city where the REAL people live and are not so well off and are concerned about running a business and paying exorbitant power prices.

The immigration issue is big business for ScoMo who can make a killing here by pointing out that the Greenies+Labor will RESTART the BOATS and bring thousands of illegal invaders into Australia.

And what about Labor wrecking the housing market ?

And what about Labor robbing the pensioners with the investment attacks ?

And what about Shorty restarting the CARBON TAX and increasing power prices by 5 to 6 times ?????

ScoMo knows Shorty hangs his hat on health paid for with more borrowing.

And Labor has made the mistake of displaying their unfunded Socialist stupidity:- https://www.themandarin.com.au/99632-alp-jumps-the-gun-first-major-party-release...

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Reply #23 - Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:28am
 
Juliar,
We are both agreed that Bill Shorten is an appalling leader, uninspiring, dull, not too bright ... but the problem is: The COALition is even more appalling than Shorten Labor.  Shocked

True, the ending of franked dividend credit tax returns for retirees is a very nasty bite from Bill And Chris ... on average a $5,000 per year hit on retirees ... and that might have been enough for the COALition to hang in next year if the majority of the 850,000 people involved shifted their vote to anti-Labor .... let's assume maybe 200,000 votes could shift ... but given the lack of policy direction from the COALition and the "trump-card" that will see them flung out - knifing Turnbull ... the writing is on the wall.

The COALition is going to lose and lose very badly next year.
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I sincerely hoped (though this has been KO by the PM) that coalition government will go ahead with the 2 elections.  seems like coalition supporters don't realise the stupidity of it.
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Reply #25 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 8:53am
 
You can tell the Lefties are getting nervous as ScoMo publicizes the very many unfunded very anti Australian evil renamed Greeny junk "policies" that Shorty is trying to con Australia with.

The lulu is bring back the CARBON TAX to increase power prices by 5 to 6 times!!!!

Pensioners are really thrilled at the prospect of being robbed and there are many of these in Labor Electorates.

Gumshoes GetUp! stuffed up again.
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Reply #26 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 9:28am:
Juliar,
We are both agreed that Bill Shorten is an appalling leader, uninspiring, dull, not too bright ... but the problem is: The COALition is even more appalling than Shorten Labor.  Shocked

True, the ending of franked dividend credit tax returns for retirees is a very nasty bite from Bill And Chris ... on average a $5,000 per year hit on retirees ... and that might have been enough for the COALition to hang in next year if the majority of the 850,000 people involved shifted their vote to anti-Labor .... let's assume maybe 200,000 votes could shift ... but given the lack of policy direction from the COALition and the "trump-card" that will see them flung out - knifing Turnbull ... the writing is on the wall.

The COALition is going to lose and lose very badly next year.

Why do you ignore the Coalition's cuts to age pensions that have slugged pensioners for similar amounts? Huh

The Coalition specifically promised no change to pensions, then rolled out cuts to pensions in nearly every Budget.

At least Labor's made clear their policy ahead of time. The Coalition didn't. The Coalition cannot be trusted.
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Reply #27 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 9:56am
 
Hi Bam,
It is true that a harsher means test was applied to pensioners.

Interestingly, it was the Greens who allowed that change to pass.  Angry

Labor has said they will "review" the aged pension when they win government.

Is that political speak for "do nothing"?



Changes to the Age Pension assets test are now law, and took effect from 1 January 2017. The successful passage through parliament was due to the Greens supporting the changes announced by the Coalition government in the 2015 federal budget.

Although the ALP opposed the changes when the laws went through parliament, the ALP has stated it will not reverse these changes, due to budgetary constraints.

Since 1 January 2017 however, the ALP has publicly stated it may review the Age Pension changes.


https://www.superguide.com.au/smsfs/300000-retired-australians-to-lose-some-or-a...
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Reply #28 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 10:17am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 7th, 2018 at 9:56am:
Hi Bam,
It is true that a harsher means test was applied to pensioners.

Interestingly, it was the Greens who allowed that change to pass.  Angry

Labor has said they will "review" the aged pension when they win government.

Is that political speak for "do nothing"?



Changes to the Age Pension assets test are now law, and took effect from 1 January 2017. The successful passage through parliament was due to the Greens supporting the changes announced by the Coalition government in the 2015 federal budget.

Although the ALP opposed the changes when the laws went through parliament, the ALP has stated it will not reverse these changes, due to budgetary constraints.

Since 1 January 2017 however, the ALP has publicly stated it may review the Age Pension changes.


https://www.superguide.com.au/smsfs/300000-retired-australians-to-lose-some-or-a...

Tax breaks for self-funded retirees cost the Budget more than it would cost to pay them the aged pension. It's ludicrous that some wealthy people can have six-figure incomes in retirement without paying tax just for being retired. They still use services. Why shouldn't they be making a contribution? Working people cannot afford to subsidise such a large cohort of non-taxpayers.

Meanwhile, the huge amounts of paperwork for means tests for the aged pension require some people to wait as long as ten months before getting the aged pension. The system has become quite unwieldy and is on the verge of collapse.

It would be better to scrap the means tests for the aged pension entirely and pay for it by scraping the tax breaks for self funded retirees. The aged pension would be an adequate replacement for the tax breaks because it's not taxable income and it comes with useful concessions.
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Reply #29 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 10:28am
 
Pensioners are being stirred up by ScoMo so they are full of HATRED for the Labor Robbers who want to steal money from them.

And the absurd part of this is a lot of these very angry pensioners are IN LABOR ELECTORATES!!!!!

Yet another gumshoes GetUp! stuffup.

Just wait till Mark Latham gets stuck into the union and Greeny controlled Labor's unfunded Socialist Stupidity.

And Labor's massive stuffup with housing where rents will skyrocket and homes will be in short supply.

Not to mention Labor's RESTART the BOATS and bring back the CARBON TAX and increase power prices by 5 or 6 times!!!!!

So if you reckon the KruddGillardKrudd "Govt" was a chaotic brothel then a union and Greeny controlled Labor "Govt" would leave that for dead as the worst "Govt" in Australia's history.
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Reply #31 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 1:58pm
 
Bam wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:39am:
This is political ineptness at it very worst.

A half Senate election would be a repeat of the Wentworth by-election in Senate and a decimation of Coalition numbers. Half-Senate elections have traditionally been seen as giant by-elections. Having a half-Senate election when the government is coming off a 19 percent swing in a by-election would be insane. It would see the Coalition lose up to six Senators, Labor could gain as many, and it would hand Labor the whip hand. It would give Labor the moral right to block most legislation in the Senate because the government no longer has any mandate. Labor would be looking very good for control of the Senate in 2022, needing only the support of the Greens to pass legislation.

This is a very dangerous option for a minority government because the six crossbenchers would be likely to support a no confidence motion. Some government MPs on small margins would get referred off to the High Court. Dutton in particular is very vulnerable. Once one goes, more would follow in quick succession. A High Court challenge may not be heard in time for any by-elections to be held before May, but if the government decides to be reckless in this way, by-elections for up to six government MPs become live options. Except by-elections wouldn't be held; the government would lose control on the House in a vote of no confidence and off to a general election we would go.

If Morrison has any brains at all, he would know his government is doomed and call a half Senate and House election when due. It won't be pleasant, but it would save the furniture because the polls would be around 47-53. Self destructing and then having an election forced by a vote of no confidence when the polls are 44-56 or worse would be far more devastating.


One of the few occasions that I agree with Bam. Going around the country in a checked shirt and jeans, shoving strawberries and meat pies down your throat and giving the done-to-death-two-thumbs-up photo shoot to make yourself look more blokey and in touch with voters isn't going to win anyone the next federal election either.

I've been waiting for Juliar to start one of these "clutching at straws that the Libs will win the next federal election" threads for sometime and it looks like this is the start of many.
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Reply #32 - Nov 7th, 2018 at 4:26pm
 
MiniMind starts another Lefty fantasy to try to build up their sinking spirits.

The 2 elections could very well occur if it seems the way to go to thoroughly discredit Labor. Which is not very difficult.

No doubt Mark Latham will be advising ScoMo.
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Reply #33 - Nov 8th, 2018 at 6:46pm
 
minarchist wrote on Nov 7th, 2018 at 1:58pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 8:39am:
This is political ineptness at it very worst.

A half Senate election would be a repeat of the Wentworth by-election in Senate and a decimation of Coalition numbers. Half-Senate elections have traditionally been seen as giant by-elections. Having a half-Senate election when the government is coming off a 19 percent swing in a by-election would be insane. It would see the Coalition lose up to six Senators, Labor could gain as many, and it would hand Labor the whip hand. It would give Labor the moral right to block most legislation in the Senate because the government no longer has any mandate. Labor would be looking very good for control of the Senate in 2022, needing only the support of the Greens to pass legislation.

This is a very dangerous option for a minority government because the six crossbenchers would be likely to support a no confidence motion. Some government MPs on small margins would get referred off to the High Court. Dutton in particular is very vulnerable. Once one goes, more would follow in quick succession. A High Court challenge may not be heard in time for any by-elections to be held before May, but if the government decides to be reckless in this way, by-elections for up to six government MPs become live options. Except by-elections wouldn't be held; the government would lose control on the House in a vote of no confidence and off to a general election we would go.

If Morrison has any brains at all, he would know his government is doomed and call a half Senate and House election when due. It won't be pleasant, but it would save the furniture because the polls would be around 47-53. Self destructing and then having an election forced by a vote of no confidence when the polls are 44-56 or worse would be far more devastating.


One of the few occasions that I agree with Bam. Going around the country in a checked shirt and jeans, shoving strawberries and meat pies down your throat and giving the done-to-death-two-thumbs-up photo shoot to make yourself look more blokey and in touch with voters isn't going to win anyone the next federal election either.

I've been waiting for Juliar to start one of these "clutching at straws that the Libs will win the next federal election" threads for sometime and it looks like this is the start of many.

Morrison has a marketing background and it shows. What he doesn't realise is that the voters have seen this kind of falsehoods before and didn't buy it.

The voters didn't buy Rudd's "fair shake of the sauce bottle" persona. Nor did they buy the "real Julia". They're not going to be swayed by this fake Morrison either.
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Re: 2 elections in 2019 to slaughter Labor+Greenies
Reply #34 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 1:48pm
 
juliar wrote on Nov 7th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
MiniMind starts another Lefty fantasy to try to build up their sinking spirits.

The 2 elections could very well occur if it seems the way to go to thoroughly discredit Labor. Which is not very difficult.

No doubt Mark Latham will be advising ScoMo.


Call me whatever names you want Juliar, all the polls at present indicate that the Liberals are behind Labor by significant margins. Based on these numbers, it's logical to assume the Liberals will lose a significant number of seats at the next election, unless they enact policies that gain overwhelming support. It's naive to think that Morrison's tour of the country by itself can turn around the fortunes of the Liberals, it's delusional to think that this tour plus the proposed split house election will result in a slaughter of Labor and the Greens.
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Reply #36 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 10:40am
 
The Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again with more Fake News - his speciality as that is all his weak mind can muster.
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Re: 2 elections in 2019 to slaughter Coalition
Reply #37 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 3:40pm
 
minarchist wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
juliar wrote on Nov 7th, 2018 at 4:26pm:
MiniMind starts another Lefty fantasy to try to build up their sinking spirits.

The 2 elections could very well occur if it seems the way to go to thoroughly discredit Labor. Which is not very difficult.

No doubt Mark Latham will be advising ScoMo.


Call me whatever names you want Juliar, all the polls at present indicate that the Liberals are behind Labor by significant margins. Based on these numbers, it's logical to assume the Liberals will lose a significant number of seats at the next election, unless they enact policies that gain overwhelming support. It's naive to think that Morrison's tour of the country by itself can turn around the fortunes of the Liberals, it's delusional to think that this tour plus the proposed split house election will result in a slaughter of Labor and the Greens.

It's too late for that. The Coalition are moribund on policy. No sudden policy epiphany will save them because it will not be believed. The electorate have made up their minds and are patiently waiting for the opportunity to give the Coalition a belting at the ballot box.
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Re: 2 elections in 2019 to slaughter Labor+Greenies
Reply #38 - Nov 16th, 2018 at 10:37am
 
Poor little Bammy reaches for the stars as Labor crumbles.

Wonder if they will use the 2 election trick?  Probably no need as the next 6 months will see such a swing against the evil union controlled Labor Socialists who want to reduce Australia to ashes just like they did before.


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Reply #39 - Nov 17th, 2018 at 1:03pm
 
Double the cost - and double the thumping for the LNP.

How happy will people be voting twice - i dare them to try this!
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Re: 2 elections in 2019 to slaughter Labor+Greenies
Reply #40 - Nov 17th, 2018 at 5:16pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
Double the cost - and double the thumping for the LNP.

How happy will people be voting twice - i dare them to try this!


It was yet another opportunity for the public to condemn both the state lib opposition and fed libs when they attend someone's funeral for political gain.

For Fed libs to win, they have to first deal with the conservative/reactionaries/right wing and the moderates.  As for the state libs, they have to stop associating with mobsters, simplistic slogans and racist remarks.  Even then, they will have to wait for state lab to stumble and implode just like fed coalition.
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Reply #41 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
Then when did the wasteful Labor ever worry about wasting taxpayers' money ?

Just look at how much Labor's illegal invaders have cost the Australian taxpayers.

And what about one of Labor's illegal invaders going berserk down in Melbourne just the other day?
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Reply #42 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 5:26pm
 
stunspore wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 5:16pm:
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
Double the cost - and double the thumping for the LNP.

How happy will people be voting twice - i dare them to try this!


It was yet another opportunity for the public to condemn both the state lib opposition and fed libs when they attend someone's funeral for political gain.

For Fed libs to win, they have to first deal with the conservative/reactionaries/right wing and the moderates.  As for the state libs, they have to stop associating with mobsters, simplistic slogans and racist remarks.  Even then, they will have to wait for state lab to stumble and implode just like fed coalition.


I didn't think it couldn't be any worse, but Matthew Guy hits a new low with a media grab with a convicted drug trafficker.
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Reply #43 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 5:53pm
 
In one seat, lib candidate has 2nd preference a candidate who believes in "gay conversion" and "trangender is an invention of satan".
Though not really a surprise, given Morrison said that he is ok with gay conversion.
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Reply #44 - Nov 19th, 2018 at 6:29pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Nov 17th, 2018 at 1:03pm:
Double the cost - and double the thumping for the LNP.

How happy will people be voting twice - i dare them to try this!

Here's what would happen if they were to try it: a replication of Wentworth's 19% swing in every Senate contest in the country. It would be seen as an opportunity to make an almighty protest vote.

Here's what could happen to the Coalition if they were to have a 19% swing (refactored as the Coalition losing 1/3 of their primary vote as happened in Wentworth):
NSW: Coalition 24% (1.68 quotas) - 2 Senators up for re-election
Vic: Coalition 22% (1.54 quotas) - 2 Senators up for re-election
Qld: Coalition 23.5% (1.65 quotas) - 2 Senators up for re-election
WA: Coalition 26% (1.82 quotas) - 2 Senators up for re-election
SA: Coalition 22% (1.54 quotas) - 3 Senators up for re-election
Tas: Coalition 22% (1.54 quotas) - 2 Senators up for re-election

The Coalition have two Senators up for re-election in every state (three in SA). If they were to try the Senate-only election, it would be a very risky strategy where they have nothing to gain and they could lose up to seven Senators. A loss of three or four Senators would be likely. Labor would gain perhaps half of these extra Senators with the rest going to various other parties.

Following the usual convention of holding the elections together would be a much more sensible strategy. The Coalition would make two quotas in every state. At worst, they would go close enough to two quotas and get enough on preferences to get their second candidate elected.
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Reply #45 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm
 
We are a nation 'on tilt'

We are lurching towards a Labor Socialist Government

What the Liberals did with repressing a Banking Royal Commission 23 times is inexcusable

The Liberals covered for Big Business and they are still doing it

Yet the thought of Lefty Bill Shorten's Government sends tremors up the spine

Either way we are f......d!
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Reply #46 - Nov 20th, 2018 at 6:12pm
 
Red B, relax ScoMo is burying Scungy little Shorty in his own dung.

ScoMo has so much dirt to throw at Shorty he doesn't know where to start.

And now the Good Guys answer to the slimy GetUp! will accelerate the dirt throwing.

Shorty is trying anything to escape the ScoMo dirt avalanche and his ludicrous Corruption Watch Dog is a good example.
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Reply #47 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 1:09pm
 
red baron wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
We are a nation 'on tilt'

We are lurching towards a Labor Socialist Government

What the Liberals did with repressing a Banking Royal Commission 23 times is inexcusable

The Liberals covered for Big Business and they are still doing it

More concerning are the backroom deals where the Libs are handing out a large number of lucrative government contracts to their mates and donors in closed tenders with little scrutiny. This stinks of corruption.

red baron wrote on Nov 20th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Yet the thought of Lefty Bill Shorten's Government sends tremors up the spine

Either way we are f......d!

You have mentioned your concerns about a Shorten government before, but I haven't seen you post much detail about the specific Labor policies that cause you concern. Can you elaborate?
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Reply #48 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 11:45am
 
Poor little Bammy is trying but is fighting a losing battle.
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Reply #49 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:33pm
 
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-election-2018-this-is-one-poll-that-matthew-guy-cannot-wish-away-20181122-p50hqu.html

A taste of what's to come for the fed libs when they fail to heed reality checks.

Some good quotes from the article.

"But all the while, media were being briefed that everything was going great, things were “cutting through” that it “feels closer”, “Andrews is on the nose out there”.

The fantasies had a practical purpose, allowing the Liberal brains trust to continue on its merry way, refusing to change strategy or even tactics, ignoring the mounting evidence that what they were doing just wasn’t working.

Before this campaign started, the Coalition drilled its candidates on the six Cs: cost of living, crime, congestion and the Country Fire Authority, mood for change and Comrade Andrews.

They were clear Labor weaknesses, the troops were told.

The Coalition is now decisively behind Labor on congestion, population and cost of living."

What happens, when the fed coalition fail to address problems, make failed attacks and play personality games (kill bill, switch pm) instead of policy making, well...public will at some point get that fed coalition are not in it for them.
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Reply #50 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 10:10pm
 
Yes, there is the mood for change. Federal change.
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Reply #51 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 7:22pm
 
Juliar will probably say that the news media is having conspiracy, spreading fake news that ALP won the Vic election.
Typical coalition ostrich, head under the sand.
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Reply #52 - Nov 24th, 2018 at 11:09pm
 
juliar wrote on Nov 6th, 2018 at 6:26am:
Excitement builds as things look blacker and blacker for Labor self destructing in its cloud of Socialist stupidity.



Coalition MPs mull two elections in 2019
AAP Updated 11 mins ago

Australians could vote in two federal elections next year, under a radical option being canvassed by some government MPs.

Voters could go to the polls in two federal elections next year under a radical proposal that could buy the Morrison government more time to win back support.


A general election in May remains the most likely scenario.

But some coalition MPs are open to holding a Senate election early in 2019 and a separate election for the House of Representatives several months later, Fairfax Media reported on Tuesday.


However, others have dismissed the dual election idea, with one government source telling Nine Network it was "fanciful".

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coalition-mps-mull-two-elections-in-2019



So socko what have you got to say now after the wipeout in Victoria. Look who is crawling back under the floorboards now Cheesy LOL
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Re: 2 elections in 2019 to slaughter Labor+Greenies
Reply #53 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:47am
 
juliars prediction didnt age at all.
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