Fact check: Have the asylum seekers on Nauru not proven themselves to be genuine refugees?   

I swear you people want the boats up and running again.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 3:59pm:

so why are they hopping on boats?

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 3:54pm:


Do I?  Nope.  I want the Australian Government to provide Immigration Dept. officers in the Refugee Camps - as they did before Howard pulled them - to allow the Refugees to make application for Asylum overseas.   They can then fly to Australia.   A world of difference to what we presently have, hey, Hammer...

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 4:21pm:



Curious do you have any constraints on migration or just let em all in regardless.

Term Dog wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 4:26pm:


If they apply for Asylum.  If they can prove they are being persecuted in their home country.  If they have no criminal record, are moderate in their religious beliefs/political views they are IMO welcome to come here as Refugees.  Remember, they want to come here, they want to become Australians, they want our safety, our security.   Much better than the economic migrants fleeing another GFC...   

Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 5:20pm:


You'd deny refugees the chance for a safe, secure life, would you, Hammer?

Oh, wonderful, how marvellous.   

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I am sure that I remember the Liberals telling us 5 years ago that there were no children in detention ?

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 3:02pm:



I blame their parents and the corrupt Indonesians.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 4:21pm:

This is happening already, Bwian, we have a refugee intake of 17,500 pa.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 6:25pm:

Why prefer people who self-select over people selected by Australia?
What is the merit of cutting out the Australian say in who comes to Australia? How and why is that something you prefer to Australians deciding who comes here?

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 7:17pm:


He is saying that they self select in the terms of their qualifying criteria being obvious, not that they choose themselves. He is saying that their situation makes it easy for Australia to make a decision in their favour.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 7:17pm:


I believe the people who are most in need should be given the greatest chance of being granted Refugee status, Soren.   I do not believe we should be choosing Refugees on the basis of their value in your eyes.   You're a Racist and a Xenophobe, Soren.  You don't want any Refugees at all.   

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 7:26pm:

Oh the shame!!! Look at him! He is ashamed!!! 

Word on the street is the Junks are half way here.

Frank wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:48pm:




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I can always tell when you've lost an argument, Soren.  You automatically resort to ad hominem insults.  Tsk, tsk, off you go, back to the little kiddies' playground.   

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 9:29pm:


Yeah about that Brian...

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 10:20pm:


The highlighted number is the children in detention column the data is from the Australian government web site.


2005–06      920      5 542      425            6 887
2006–07      794      3 988      276            5 058  Howard lost election
2007–08      640      3 744      239            4 623

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2018 at 8:23pm:

That is how Australia selects its legal refugee intake and keeps out the fakes and illegals.

We spend hundreds of millions on not having failed states bordering us so we will not be camps for refugees we cannot resettle and cannot return. We do not want any more fakes, cheats, illegals to foist themselves on us.

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 9:46am:


It is not however, what you have proposed, Soren.  Tsk, tsk, you'd have no Asylum Seekers, no Refugees and definitely no migrants who weren't White, Christian (preferably Protestant) and super-qualified...   

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:


As has been pointed out, the people you (and the Government) have deemed to be "illegals" are in reality Asylum Seekers who have attempted to exercise their right to claim Asylum on Australian territory.   That they have overwhelming been judged - by the Immigration Department's own processes - to be genuine Refugees appears meaningless to you.   You just don't like it when reality refuses to conform to your fantasies, right, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, how inconvenient, right?   

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:


The vast majority of illegal immigrants currently living in Australia came here by plane.

Moreover, some of the worst offenders are from the US and Britain.

In contrast, only a very, very small minority of illegal immigrants have arrived by boat.

This is not a personal opinion - it's a verifiable, indisputable fact.

Visa overstayers and 'settled' illegal migrants are still illegal immigrants who have actually entered Australia, whereas most, if not all, of Nauru and Manus detainees, have never entered Australia.

I wonder if Frank, Frank's parents, or other Frank family members, are visa overstayers or 'settled' illegal migrants.

Fess up Frank.

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5^th, 2018 at 5:32pm:

How much do they cost the Australian tax payer?

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 5^th, 2018 at 5:32pm:

Overstaying by a few weeks or months is not a big deal in the scheme of things. As a matter of fact, you are 'OK' to overstay by 28 days, no isssue.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2018 at 5:40pm:


Yes.

Verifiable and indisputable.

Some of the worst offenders are from the US and Britain, along with illegal immigrants from China and Malaysia.

And, most of them came here by plane.

Which part don't you understand?

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2018 at 7:21pm:


"... more than 11,000 have overstayed between two and five years and 6600 between 15 and 20 years."

Happy news, Penny Wong can dry her faux tears and stop her wailing, Libs have got the last four of the children that Labor locked up (in the words of cretins), out of the concentration camps.

Frank wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2018 at 4:35pm:



your source?

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 9:17am:

Not OK.

But being onshore, they have access to the legal system, at your expence, to seek endless judicial reviews.

Deportation is a lot harder than not letting them in  - the point of offshore processing. Deportation orderts are subject to endless legal appeals.  But you bastards want to spend the money on endless legal challenges to deportation orders and so you agitate for 'bringing them here'.  Because you understand nothing - or because you do understand it all too well and so want to purposefully undermine orderly and lawful immigration at every possible turn.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 9:17am:


I once met an illegal who'd been in Australia for over 20 years. She was from Mother England. She was forced to sleep with a Greek businessman who'd set her up in a flat as his mistress. She couldn't have a driver's license, open a bank account or do anything that required ID. She had none. She sometimes got cash work dying fabric.

She was in NA. Her sponsor told her she'd never progress if she didn't hand herself in and own up. She was in a toxic relationship and had the threat of being exposed constantly hanging over her head.

I last heard she was going to renew her British passport and make a run for it. Immigration officers would, of course, look for the visa in her passport, but she had a story and was going to give it a go.

I didn't hear what happened, but if she did this, she would definitely have been detained for investigation, pending deportation and a lifetime ban on entering Australia.

A big call, but imagine a future where you require a sugar daddy who can report you to authorities if you ever decide to leave the relationship (which she did).

Just another British refugee who understandably wants to get as far away from Mother as they can.

My father did the same, but in his day, they just sent you to immigration to register.