Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2018 at 8:42pm:


the liver is the bodies cleanser. You dont need to "clean" it.

Spot

cods wrote on Oct 19^th, 2018 at 5:52am:


Im not a doctor and its VERY hard to get in to see a liver specialist in the last few years because of govt crap but the information i have is from what specialists have told me and i read on the UK liver site (which i cant find now).

Fatty liver is when the liver is too high a percentage of fat and can be caused by other liver problems or alcohol abuse so its possible thats his problem. Its unusual for someone to get *just* fatty liver though (except through excessive alcohol abuse) - its usually brought on by other liver problems. Its apparently not caused by eating too much fat since the liver is what processes the fat. somehow i doubt fatty liver is his main problem although he may have it. Sounds like cirrhosis to me but like i said im not a doctor.

cirrhosis cant be cured but it can be stopped from progressing by watching diet and not drinking alcohol.

Anyway not sure i answered your question but IMO no fatty liver isnt a damaged liver but it can cause damage if its alcohol induced. Fatty liver is usually a sign that something else is wrong with your liver and it isnt working properly.

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 19^th, 2018 at 5:07am:


Well restore it then! Vitamin A won't cleanse the liver, will it?

Drinking carrot juice is thought to be extremely beneficial for the liver due to Vitamin A's cleansing effects. Vitamin A reduces bile and fat in the liver. However, for the liver to reap the maximum benefits of Vitamin A, it is said that drinking carrot juice needs be done regularly rather than occasionally. The liver can store Vitamin A.

https://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-health-benefits-of-drinking-carrot-juice.h...


cods, when I was diagnosed with stomach lymphoma (cancer lite) 6 1/2 years ago, I boosted my immune system with vegetable and fruit juice, drinking glasses of them every day, but not too much carrot juice because too much can have an adverse effect, I drank one small glass of carrot juice every day, and countless glasses of celery juice, apple juice and I ate a slice of freshly cooked beetroot and ate 30 prepared apricot seeds every day. All the usual everyday food and drink was stopped except for a small amount of breakfast cereal and a slice or two of bread. It required discipline and a will to live. It mustn't be left up the doctors entirely

My cancer wasn't liver cancer but it was still cancer. I was booked in for Chemo but it wasn't necessary because the cancer was gone before my appointment date

Apricot seeds
http://apricotseeds.com.au/buy-apricot-seeds.html

Dandelion tea should help clear up the liver. Repairing the liver would entail going without the food and drink that caused the damage to the liver.

Cods, last night, on a political commentary site in UK, I read a post about ultrasonic/ultrasound facial massagers which are being used by some to treat cancer and other health issues


I'm as sceptical as anyone else.  However, the financial outlay is minimal and a once-only -- $20 to $30 in Oz most likely.  So it won't break the bank and as people use the gadgets daily on their face and hands, etc., it doesn't sound as if it will cause harm.  The gadgets use ordinary batteries


I continued reading threads and posts in that forum so lost track of the post itself.  However, I'd made a note of it and after leaving the forum, went in search of further info


I'll tack links to this post.  Leave it to your judgement.  I plan to buy one of the ultrasonic/ultrasound gadgets to see if it helps with a common health issue.  Nothing to lose


I read from different sites re: the gadget.  Haven't heard of the guy before, a Jon Thomason.  In some, he uses the title, Dr. Jon Thomason, in others he does not.  From what I can gather, he was engaged in obtaining his doctorate in non health related discipline, but that was curtailed by a car accident.  From the tone of his writings, I suspect Thomason occasionally used the title 'Doctor' to add authority to his claims and beliefs and to give confidence to the sceptical re: the use of the ultrasonic tool, rather than for financial or other gain.  Regardless, it's misleading and it appears he's ceased prefacing his name with 'Dr.'.  I may be naïve or over-trusting but to me, it seems he simply tries to offer people an alternative to debilitating cancer treatments and drugs

It appears that Thomason has been attempting to draw people's attention to the use of ultrasound/ultrasonic for a myriad health problems since at least 2011, so he's no quitter  And as the gadgets can be purchased anywhere, rather than from him, it doesn't seem as if there's much financial gain involved for him


As you'll see from the links below, he repeatedly cites a Moffit cancer centre in Florida where three medical professors achieved the cure of prostate cancer in one session, using an ultrasound/ultrasonic gadget.  And Tomason attests the same gadget, non-invasive and used for mere minutes daily, can deliver cures for 'over 200 cancers' in addition to curing diabetese, arthritis, strokes, etc.


To be suspected is that English is Thomason's second language.  And as with many who speak in earnest on the same topic for a length of time about an issue they feel very strongly about, there's some revolutionary zeal.  He appears intent upon exposing the 'cancer industry'


Up to you and/or your son in law to make of it what you will.  The financial outlay, time and effort is minimal, so not much to lose.  As the gadgets are sold for use as cosmetic aids, presumably they've been cleared as safe


Thomason invites correspondence, so you could easily drop  him an email if you like


In the original post which I read in the other forum, a man wrote to say he appreciated his post was off-topic, but wanted others to be aware of the use of ultrasound/ultrasonic gadgets to effect cures.  He's been a regular poster in that particular forum for years to my knowledge and has always been one of the more considered.  He said he'd learned about the ultrasonic/ultrasound gadgets in yet another forum several months earlier and had purchased a gadget at a department store in his locality.  He said it had been of use for a health issue he had.  Months later, he said, a fellow yachtie had confided to him that he'd been diagnosed with cancer.  The poster said he'd told his sick friend about the ultrasound/ultrasonic gadgets and had administered the recommended dosage to the sick friend, who had gone on to purchase one of the gadgets, albeit a more expensive version.  According to the poster, his friend's scans began showing considerable improvement.  The post was along those lines


You know as much as I do now.  Links to follow


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and this link is for a Stroke site where the ultrasound/ultrasonic machine is featured along with many othersLINK

I knew an old man, aged in his 70s, who was diagnosed as having cirhhosis of the liver.  He'd been an alcoholic lifelong, according to his wife

Upon received the diagnosis, he severely cut his alcohol intake.  And as his wife was intending to tour Europe within months and because he wished to accompany her, he began at her suggestion to take daily walks.  At first, due to the fact he'd been sedentary for years, the walks were of short duration.  But gradually he was able to make it to the beach (just across the road) and potter along slowly each day

He did accompany her on the trip and stuck to limited alcohol intake.  He recovered from his liver problem to considerable degree and did commence drinking again, albeit much limited intake compared to earlier in his life

He lived until his very late 80s.  I thought at the time that it was because the liver is known as a regenerative organ

Far as I'm aware, the liver is damaged via Hepatitis, various strains, in addition to damage caused by alcohol.  So maybe the guy in question in this thread was infected with a strain of Hepatitis, which can happen without the sufferers knowledge

Years ago the media reported a married woman who was diagnosed with Hepatitis.  It was concluded, after investigation, that she'd contracted it at a works' Christmas party.  The party was held at an hotel apparently and although used glassware was put through an industrial dishwasher, the hotel admitted only cold water was used and zero detergent.  Detergent prevents beer from forming a head, apparently.  It was said within the article that it was customary for hotels to wash used glassware in cold water without detergent

Although the woman in question had not consumed beer but instead had drunk only a couple of fruit juice cocktail mixes, the glassware she'd used had also been cold washed without detergent.  Someone who'd used her glass prior to her and prior to the cold water wash procedure must have had Hepatitis which had survived the perfunctory washing, was the conclusion

When I turned 22, I started drinking alcohol weekly. At one point, I was drinking twice a week. I only cut down my drinking as a result of not having the money to continue. But the rate of drinking was fairly consistent to once a week. Over time, I got the symptoms of a bad liver. It took to going sober for a long time before I got over the symptoms of liver problems. I figure that the lack of proper sleep was a result of my liver regenerating. I was soon able to have a decent digestion process. I lost weight. I was also able to have more energy. In recent months, my body has been able to repair itself, with the help of diabetic medication, etc. Better eating and little alcohol intake has lead to few problems.

The liver can repair itself given time. Even the most alcoholic of people should have a very much improved liver if they go a year without alcohol.