Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 4
Send Topic Print
The Orstrayun Defence Farce (Read 5345 times)
z
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 69
The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Oct 16th, 2018 at 6:22pm
 
Remember Sol Trujillo, the Three Amigos, the "complete software upgrade" across Telstra? Trujillo is a career CIA asset specializing in compromising national comms networks. All Oz military comms independent of Telstra depend on USA-controlled assets.

In the event that a REAL threat to Oz arose, the Americans would switch off the Oz military's comms, tell them to sit down and shut up, and take care of the threat themselves. They regard Oz as their backyard, the military here as a joke, and won't tolerate any threat that they perceive as being against their own interests.

The subs, like all other Oz military gear, are just tokens to give the plebs the illusion of a Defence Force - i.e. it's a Defence Farce. This is why neither the govt nor the military take Oz Defence seriously, as neither does any other country; only the Great Oz Unwashed.

More at the website SubmarinesForAustralia dotcomdotau
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Moderator
*****
Online


Representative of me

Posts: 39384
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 9:45pm
 
Evidence, please.   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 94167
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
Here it is here:

http://www.submarinesforaustralia.com.au/

It's damning.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Sir lastnail
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 29705
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:03pm
 
z wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Remember Sol Trujillo, the Three Amigos, the "complete software upgrade" across Telstra? Trujillo is a career CIA asset specializing in compromising national comms networks. All Oz military comms independent of Telstra depend on USA-controlled assets.

In the event that a REAL threat to Oz arose, the Americans would switch off the Oz military's comms, tell them to sit down and shut up, and take care of the threat themselves. They regard Oz as their backyard, the military here as a joke, and won't tolerate any threat that they perceive as being against their own interests.

The subs, like all other Oz military gear, are just tokens to give the plebs the illusion of a Defence Force - i.e. it's a Defence Farce. This is why neither the govt nor the military take Oz Defence seriously, as neither does any other country; only the Great Oz Unwashed.

More at the website SubmarinesForAustralia dotcomdotau


Worse,  they get the stupid aussies to spend up big and buy the US made equipment and when they need to use it they invite australia into one of their trumped up wars in the middle east and the sycophants here gladly oblige and let the yanks use the equipment we paid for Cheesy LOL
Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:09pm by Sir lastnail »  

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
IP Logged
 
z
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 69
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:27pm
 
A nuclear boat requires fundamentally different design compromises at the outset. Reactors are inherently noisy - the boiling water - so a great deal of effort must go into silencing it and the turbine. Radiation shielding is needed, but there's no fuel storage, and plenty of power for maintaining a breathable atmosphere etc. Diesel/electric boats are inherently quiet on electrics, but need both fuel tanks and batteries, and have no power to spare for crew luxuries.

Yet not only are we paying the French (our ??allies?? since ??) to build them, they have to REdesign a nuclear boat for D/E, something that NO COUNTRY HAS EVER DONE. And the nuclear boats hve not yet been built.

IS THIS SHEER INSANITY?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 94167
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:42pm
 
z wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
A nuclear boat requires fundamentally different design compromises at the outset. Reactors are inherently noisy - the boiling water - so a great deal of effort must go into silencing it and the turbine. Radiation shielding is needed, but there's no fuel storage, and plenty of power for maintaining a breathable atmosphere etc. Diesel/electric boats are inherently quiet on electrics, but need both fuel tanks and batteries, and have no power to spare for crew luxuries.

Yet not only are we paying the French (our ??allies?? since ??) to build them, they have to REdesign a nuclear boat for D/E, something that NO COUNTRY HAS EVER DONE. And the nuclear boats hve not yet been built.

IS THIS SHEER INSANITY?




Read the .pdf file although it's very long:

http://www.submarinesforaustralia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Insight-Econ...

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Moderator
*****
Online


Representative of me

Posts: 39384
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #6 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 11:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
Here it is here:

http://www.submarinesforaustralia.com.au/

It's damning.


No mention of Sol Trujillo's supposed claimed CIA links.  No mention of US espionage in Australia.  Sorry, doesn't pass the Pub test, Bobby.  Try again.

Oh, and Mr. Johnston has missed the boat badly on the submarine decision, if you'll excuse the pun.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Brian Ross
Moderator
*****
Online


Representative of me

Posts: 39384
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #7 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 11:37pm
 
z wrote on Oct 16th, 2018 at 10:27pm:
A nuclear boat requires fundamentally different design compromises at the outset. Reactors are inherently noisy - the boiling water - so a great deal of effort must go into silencing it and the turbine. Radiation shielding is needed, but there's no fuel storage, and plenty of power for maintaining a breathable atmosphere etc. Diesel/electric boats are inherently quiet on electrics, but need both fuel tanks and batteries, and have no power to spare for crew luxuries.

Yet not only are we paying the French (our ??allies?? since ??) to build them, they have to REdesign a nuclear boat for D/E, something that NO COUNTRY HAS EVER DONE. And the nuclear boats hve not yet been built.

IS THIS SHEER INSANITY?


You know, they said the same things about the COLLINS class.  They were wrong there as well...   Roll Eyes
Back to top
 

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 94167
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #8 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 11:47pm
 
dear Fartacus,
you have taught Brian a substantial amount from this thread & me too.

You get top marks.

cheers
Bobby
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
z
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 69
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #9 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 12:42am
 
> No mention of Sol Trujillo's supposed claimed CIA links.

So you don't know how to use an Internet search engine?

> you have taught Brian a substantial amount from this thread & me too.

Thanks indeed. All I usually get is abuse and insults. Most people simply DO NOT WANT to know the truth: it's far too embarrassing.

If you go to the SubmarinesForAustralia website (link in post #3 above thanks to Bobby) and click on SUBMARINE FIASCO? at lower left, you'll get a long list of discussion posts. Scroll about three-quarters the way down to the first of several posts by one Zbygnyu Thiew:

Zbygnyu Thiew says:      
September 21, 2016 at 8:09 am

These offer proof that the French submarines are not an isolated incident, but business as usual for the Ostrayun Defence Farce. It's not merely criminal incompetence, it's chronic, deeply rooted corruption.

A nation gets the leaders it deserves.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Oct 17th, 2018 at 4:41am by z »  
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 94167
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #10 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 4:54am
 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 94167
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #11 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 5:14am
 
Link to video from the same site:


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
z
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 69
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #12 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 7:31am
 
There's worse to come. Manned submarines have a very limited role in modern warfare that, for a country of Australia's size and budget, is negligible. A bit of history sets the stage.

The German U-boats were highly effective weapons at the time for two main reasons: there were no long-range missiles and no satellite surveillance. Their captains were essentially modern pirates with a military commission: "Destroy enemy shipping!" They had very limited communication with High Command once at sea, but didn't need it, and acted autonomously, severely damaging the Atlantic supply convoys which literally kept the UK alive. The situation in the Pacific was quite different owing to the dominant American presence, but both German and Japanese boats were effective stealth weapons, being invisible and almost undetectable until they attacked.

The situation today is very different. Lengthy, large-scale military engagements can no longer occur between major powers because of the tremendous destruction wreaked by modern weapons. If the USA attacked Russia or China, as the neocons are lusting to do, it would all be over in a few days, with smoking, radioactive ruins on both sides. All know this, which is why the action is kept bubbling along at smaller scales in the mutually-agreed theatres of victim countries.

Submarines serve three main functions: as stealth attack vessels, as hidden missile platforms, and as stealth surveillance vessels. The only ones needing to be manned are the missile platforms, primarily for retaliatory strikes. If land-based missile batteries are taken out by a first strike, the subs can still deliver fatal blows.

Destroying naval surface vessels is easily accomplished by long-range cruise missiles launched from ships or aircraft, and are virtually inescapable once launched, being both autonomous, and flying at high speed a few metres above the ocean. There's no need for a submarine to "sneak up" on them, much less a manned one. Submarine surveillance is far more effective using autonomous drone vessels: the burden of long-term life-support on a surveillance vessel not only makes it far larger and more costly than an unmanned vessel, but much more vulnerable. In addition, you'd get a fleet of drones for the cost of a single manned boat.

China will never invade Australia. They can get everything they want by bribing our corrupt politicians, public servants, bankers and Big Business Bosses. And they know as well as everyone else that the Oz military is just a Farce.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Bobby.
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 94167
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #13 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 8:39am
 
Good post Fartacus,
you're showing yourself to be much more of an expert than Brian.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
z
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 69
Re: The Orstrayun Defence Farce
Reply #14 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 10:02am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 17th, 2018 at 8:39am:
Good post Fartacus,
you're showing yourself to be much more of an expert than Brian.

Thanks for the compliment. Perhaps the most important thing to realize is that no "Defence Expert" could ever state the truths in my last paragraph: that the country's whole leadership is corrupt, and presents by far the greatest threat to the nation's future and security.

They must ALWAYS act as if our "leaders" are honourable, competent, and worthy of trust. To do otherwise would bring their own honesty under suspicion, and they're far too well-paid and secure ever to risk that, since they know it's a lie.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 4
Send Topic Print