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Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:37pm
 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/six-days-seven-dead-women-when-will...
SIX women were killed in the past week.

Sixty-two women have suffered violent deaths since January 1.

If this is not a national crisis, what the hell is?

If a terrorist killed six people in Australia, our country would be in lock down.

Major emergencies would be called. Cops would be roaming our streets in greater numbers. Billions of dollars would be set aside for terror-thwarting activities.

When a shark took a bite out of two people a few weeks ago in Queensland, government officials gave the go ahead for six to be slaughtered.

People were warned to stay out of the water and more prevention measures were rolled out in the region.

What about the strawberry tampering? Well, we saw Prime Minister Scott Morrison talk broadly on the issue, slam the hooligans who ruined our country’s fave fruit, more money was directed towards ensuring businesses can afford security options and federal criminal sentencing options were increased.

But six women dying in a week in Australia? All I hear is crickets.

On October 6, a woman was stabbed to death in Rockingham, WA. A man was taken into police custody.

The day before, on October 5, a mother was found dead in her home at Bellambi, New South Wales. Her five-month-old baby, thankfully unharmed, was near her body.

On the same day, police attended a house fire in Ballarat, Victoria. They found a woman dead. A man has been charged with her murder.

On October 4, Northern Territory cops charged a man with murder a after a woman died from assault wounds.

October 3, a woman’s body was found in a park at Hunters Hill in New South Wales. Media reported her hands were bound and a “dog collar” was around her neck. Police are yet to identify this victim and no one has been charged.

Also on October 3, police charged a man with murder following the death of 46-year-old Gayle Potter. Police allege the mother-of-three’s former husband deliberately ran Gayle down with a car at Traralgon in Victoria.

There is no doubt that it has been a bloody and horrific week in Australia.

It has also been a terrifying year for women in our country with 62 adult females now lost to an act of violence since January 1.

Eighteen children have also been killed in that period.

Men have been charged, or are suspected, in 71 of these killings and authorities allege domestic violence relates to about 70 per cent of the deaths. No one has been convicted.

These figures should disturb all Aussies — from Prime Minister Scott Morrison to you, the person reading these words.

If the violent deaths of 80 women and children is not a national catastrophe, what the bloody hell is?

As Jane Gilmore wrote earlier this year, a total of six Australians have died as a result of terrorism in 20 years — three of those killed were the terrorists themselves.

We spend $35 billion on national security each year compared to the roughly $160 million a year the Federal Government puts aside for combating domestic violence — a crime that is killing one woman a week.

Our policy makers need to stand back and take stock and readdress the funding divide between a crime that kills less than one person a year and a crime that kills 52 women a year.

This money could see an even stronger focus on programs supporting survivors to leave safely because it is at the point of leaving that is the most dangerous.

We must build more refuges for women escaping violence, but even better, let’s erect housing specifically for perpetrators so mum can stay home with her kids.

We need to keep rolling respectful education programs. We should force every abuser to complete a behaviour change programs.

We must legislate tougher state and territory criminal sentencing options — a life taken should amount to a life spent behind bars.

Our PM needs to speak up. He needs to show Australian women that he has their backs and he needs to show Australian men that violence is never the answer and that they will be held to account.

Like it or not, it is the responsibility of all us to turn this around.

Of course, none of this matters if the underlying disrespectful attitudes towards women do not change.

Feminists, anti-violence activists, domestic abuse professionals, academics and other woke folk have been having this same conversation for decades.

We say the same damn thing every time a woman or child is killed, knowing of course that we are essentially preaching to the converted.

The war on women will continue unabated unless every single person in this country takes a stance against violence.

Until then, we will continue mourning grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts, cousins, nieces, colleagues and friends.

Maybe the next victim won’t be connected to you. But maybe she will.

If losing six women to violence is not enough to make our nation act, what will.
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Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm
 
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.
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Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:45pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


AND? How does Australia "select" theirs?

Why do people compare American politics to Australian politics?
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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:53pm
 
OddSocks wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:45pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


AND? How does Australia "select" theirs?

Why do people compare American politics to Australian politics?



Cause we can. Next question?
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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm
 
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.
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Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:00pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.




  seriously is that all you have?>..

I think you will find many many many many threads on what happens in America....where you can inflict your single mindedness  .. in the mean time this is about MY COUNTRY....and what is happening to it...

and like you...

no one seems to care... Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

why do you care more about whats happening in America than you do whats going on under your own noses.. Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:05pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.




dont bring race into it....


as they have now arrested the person of interest in the Bellambi murder...  Angry

you may not like what others say about brown people....

you do not know how many of these men were or are WHITE...

please stop turning a thread about despicable behavior....

into a war on racism....where the usual suspects take over....

6 women killed in ONE WEEK IN AUSTRALIA........thanks to DV...

DISGRACEFUL...
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Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:11pm
 
So.....how do you know six were killed as a result of DV, cods?
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Reply #8 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:14pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:05pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.




dont bring race into it....


as they have now arrested the person of interest in the Bellambi murder...  Angry

you may not like what others say about brown people....

you do not know how many of these men were or are WHITE...

please stop turning a thread about despicable behavior....

into a war on racism....where the usual suspects take over....

6 women killed in ONE WEEK IN AUSTRALIA........thanks to DV...

DISGRACEFUL...


Well said cods.
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Reply #9 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:27pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:

In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.





Bojack,

That is nasty.




What Bojack is doing,     is just promoting a slander,     unless Bojack has new, substantive evidence supporting Christine Blasey-Ford's allegations ?



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537740622/0#0


3 'witnesses' nominated by Christine Blasey-Ford,     contradict      her memory/account of Kavanaugh wrongdoing




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3 'witnesses' nominated by Christine Blasey-Ford, contradict her memory/account of Kavanaugh wrongdoing




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Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.


Deuteronomy 17:6
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.


Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.


Deuteronomy 25:1
If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.


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Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.
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Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:43pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.


Gee, I'll have to ensure you see all the other lies and disgraceful things said here so you can spread your outraged wings.
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Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:44pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:11pm:
So.....how do you know six were killed as a result of DV, cods?



the sheer violence

men full of hatred for the person thats dead...

its evil   and its getting worse...

the murderer of the mum in Bellambi   had not thought for the baby and what would become of him.....none whjatever

cold blistering hate....we havent heard the details....but the amount of blood would tell you it was savage..  and probably done with intent...

this lady was threatened  over and over again.....

think about it... someone hates you so much.....

imagine her last moments....

maybe all she did was reject him........ Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I believe thats a reason for many murders.... Angry
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Reply #13 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:49pm
 
So....it was speculation.  Why does it matter to you that it is DV or not.  Six women were killed in one week.  That is enough to warrant Government having a very close look.
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Reply #14 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..
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Reply #15 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:39pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..


I am not splitting hairs cods.  I am tired of sob sister man bashing and putting it down to something called domestic violence.  It is what it is....six women murdered in one week, and that is what Government needs to address and drill down into.  "DV" simplistic sob sisters do not help.
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Reply #16 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:33pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..


I am not splitting hairs cods.  I am tired of sob sister man bashing and putting it down to something called domestic violence.  It is what it is....six women murdered in one week, and that is what Government needs to address and drill down into.  "DV" simplistic sob sisters do not help.


Mothra will probably take you to task for that. Can you post the outcome here?
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Reply #17 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:56pm
 
Wait one - so in every incident where a suspect has been found and there is evidence - the suspect has been arrested, charged and is awaiting trial.....

Investigations are ongoing into the remainder.....

What exactly do you propose as a pre-emptive measure, cods?

Just take a guess and say this or that guy/gal may do something wrong and grab him/her and lock him/her up on suspicion?

What exactly do you propose as an answer?

More men die annually in Australia than women... fact...

http://theconversation.com/men-are-killed-at-a-greater-rate-than-women-in-austra...

Are you prepared to apply the same rules?

Greg.... Karnal.... here's your cue.... it's campaign time......  time to loose the dogs of propaganda, emotion, and inference......
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Reply #18 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:59pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.


In the US, they have an alleged child rapist as their President.

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Reply #19 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:59pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.


In the US, they have an alleged child rapist as their President.


You are an alleged talking turd.

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Reply #20 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:59pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.


In the US, they have an alleged child rapist as their President.


You are an alleged talking turd.



Is that better or worse than an alleged child rapist?

And, is it scientifically possible?

I'm curious.
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Reply #21 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:34pm
 
All the usual silly diversions aside - what do you propose as an 'answer' to this kind of thing?

(repeats)

Wait one - so in every incident where a suspect has been found and there is evidence - the suspect has been arrested, charged and is awaiting trial.....

Investigations are ongoing into the remainder.....

What exactly do you propose as a pre-emptive measure, cods?

Just take a guess and say this or that guy/gal may do something wrong and grab him/her and lock him/her up on suspicion?

What exactly do you propose as an answer?

More men die from violence annually in Australia than women... fact...

http://theconversation.com/men-are-killed-at-a-greater-rate-than-women-in-austra...

Are you prepared to apply the same rules?

Greg.... Karnal.... here's your cue.... it's campaign time......  time to loose the dogs of propaganda, emotion, and inference......
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Reply #22 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:34pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:59pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.


In the US, they have an alleged child rapist as their President.


You are an alleged talking turd.



Is that better or worse than an alleged child rapist?

And, is it scientifically possible?

I'm curious.



To be or not to be, that is the question, so if we take 2B from 2B the answer is nothing... so an alleged anything is zero......

Now get on the subject....children.... all I hear is emotion - no real answers.. and Aussie is quite right to ask the pertinent questions.

However - let's leave out the usual idiots discussion of white v black...
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Reply #23 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:09am
 
there obviously is a problem but what are we to do?

you need to understand basic human psychology and evolution.

women are a standard deviation to the right in "trait agreeableness".

they are more likely to put up with a difficult person and this would appear to be due to the fact that they have to care for infants. and an infant that is crying all night long is a difficult person and so the mother is biologically wired to "not throw it out the window" . she is more agreeable.
and she doesnt want conflict around the baby. so she is less likely to argue with a male , especially when she has an infant.  thats just darwinian biology and its deep.

men are less agreeable but they are a standard deviation higher in industriousness and in exploratory behaviour. so men have a biological pre disposition to go out into the world with bravery and to conquer unexplored territory.
and men are more sensitive to status.
men are more competitive and more likely to want to get to the top of a dominance hierachy (sport, work, earnings, muscles..whatever it is, men want to climb to the top).
why?

because women are selective maters and women tend to mate with men who are at the top of status hierachies.
women effectively say 'fight it out boys and decide who is at the top and that saves me having to screen all you men and i can just choose the highest status male".


so how should we view domestic violence inside the framework of millions of years of evolution.


well.

men are disagreeable, they wont do what you tell them to do UNLESS they are allowed to explore, be brave, conquer new territory and compete AND they want to be thanked and appreciated for their efforts.  men want to be seen as "heroes" for their efforts.

so if you want men to play the game according to a set of rules, we need to make the father figure a heroic figure, we need to make men rewarded for "manning up", we need to celebrate competition and we need to help men climb hierachies.

and that is exactly what it NOT happening in modern society where masculinity is seen as something to be trashed , not given a heroic status at all.

and of course, when you do that to men, most will not climb the narrow road to success like aquascoot, most will become bitter, resentful and nihilistic, they will become selfish entitled little pukes and cry babies and they will act out their revenge.
that seems to be what is happening
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Reply #24 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:43am
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.


That's the biggest load of bollocks you've come up with yet.

You're slip is showing.
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Reply #25 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 7:31am
 
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:38pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
In the US they nominate those guys for the Supreme Court.


That is not only a lie it is a disgraceful thing to say.




Its not a lie, not sure its disgraceful either.
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Reply #26 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 9:23am
 
Some men and women are born aggressors. Society will not change the biological make up. They will kill or maim without concern but they are a very small minority imo ie. the stalker that is alleged to have killed the mother beside her kid.

But in a DV case I'd bet 99% of them regret killing the woman....but at the time they lashed out in rage. This lashing out can be from a multitude of things. The inner psych is a strange thing and can make people do strange things.
What is not being considered is the added pressure of life in the modern world. The brain has no time to relax or shut down...... that is why we chase the fix/vice or what I call the mask, be it alcohol, drugs or both.
There is no inner peace being practiced by a lot of people. Instead they become drug addicts or alcoholics. Why? It could be work, financial, personal or all of it combined. So when this is happening it is easy to just lash out in anger or rage. They're unhappy and festering into physical violence.


DV is a tough subject. There are always 2 sides as well. Yeah the woman/man died (and that is not okay btw) but what lead up to this? I mean, when they met the bloke/woman didn't kill that night. They lived a life together that obviously was making one or the other unhappy with no communication, or better still, reasoning to get by. Most men just say "yes dear" to keep the woman happy instead of actually saying how they feel. This could be fear of losing their material items. Then when it's the other way the woman closes up and no love is shown.....I've been there. No sex, vacant feelings. Uncertainty. Basically living separate lives in a broken relationship. Now the stress starts to kick in and your mind makes up all sorts of senarios as to what the other is up too. It goes for both sides...not just the male.
So now the anger starts to fester. They may have an affair seeking refuge and comfort from a 3rd party. They may turn to drugs or alcohol. Everyone is different....but what we all have in common is inner peace.


Women in abusive relationships tend to live in fear. Fear of the man....fear of leaving. They fear their safety if they leave yet what they are living in is an unsafe environment. Who do they turn to? The situation is embarrassing. Their life seems to be failing. How did they get here. Why did they let it go so long. All of these questions with no reasonable answer. I know of men that have lived with abusive women. Same thing.

I will say that in a separation the law is def favored to the woman. I've seen men cleaned out of most of their financial belongings. Even their super if she's a real bitch. I haven't heard much of the other way around though.  It may happen but no where near as much.

Then throw a kid into the mix and he is going to be slaughtered by the gov for child support. That is a cruel organisation becuase if you have debt before the break up...they don't care. If you work more hrs to cover the costs then next tax return you pay more...so then you work more to cover it agian...then next tax you pay more. I'd believe that this may be the cause of some of those men flipping out and killing the woman, the kids and sometimes himself. Child support is evil and our gov is not listening.

It took me a long time to find my inner peace. It is not spiritual or god for me. It is vibration and breathing. That's why you hear "take a deep breath" when you're upset or beside yourself. It works. But I also fight (boxing). Not for competition but for fitness and discipline. It changes your demeanor. It gives you confidence, it gives you inner strength to battle this crazy society being built around us by big corporations hell bent on taking your money and owning your life because they will stop at nothing to program your mind away from your inner self. Don't let them. Turn off the tv and go outside. Life can be great. It's up to you to be honest with yourself, have self control and live because in the end you'll die, that I can promise you and if you die hating yourself then you've failed yourself.


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Gnads wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:43am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.


That's the biggest load of bollocks you've come up with yet.

You're slip is showing.



Aussie - I support(ed) your right to ask the pertinent questions about this - but until you nobody mentioned anything about colour....

Let it go...... and as you said, how is it 'DV' when the gardener stalks etc?  The only domestic relationship between them is he is employed to garden... in theory, anyway.

Perhaps women need training in who to consort with.... all this 'women's lib' nonsense and sexual freedom etc is costing their lives...
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:08am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:43am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.


That's the biggest load of bollocks you've come up with yet.

You're slip is showing.



Aussie - I support(ed) your right to ask the pertinent questions about this - but until you nobody mentioned anything about colour....

Let it go...... and as you said, how is it 'DV' when the gardener stalks etc?  The only domestic relationship between them is he is employed to garden... in theory, anyway.

Perhaps women need training in who to consort with.... all this 'women's lib' nonsense and sexual freedom etc is costing their lives...


That's one option.

Orrrrr, men could be taught to NOT rape & kill women   Undecided

Just throwin' it out there.

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thoughtful post captain.

a couple of things.

alcohol, drugs , junk food are just the easy way to put a band aid on pain.
doesnt work long term.

the female / male dynamic is very difficult to come to terms with because people , in a consumer society, come at the problem from the frame of 'what can i get'.
so the man might want sex, the woman might want gifts.
its the same problem faced in the workplace.
the employer asks what can i get
the employee asks what can i get.

even although religions are deeply troubled by superstition and dogma, there is a reason why the underlying mythology developed.

the modern scientific thinker believes he is very superior to the modern religious thinker.
but is that true.

is the development of nuclear weapons (a scientific achievement) a good thing?

religion has been with us , in a darwinian sense since we became conscious.
and our underlying biology dates back millions of years.

we have only been materialist and scientific for 200 years.

and WW1, WW2, the destruction of the environment, potential nuclear holocaust....well, its pretty dammed arrogant to be feeling too good about ourselves.

the deep philosophers (jung, nietchze ) looked at these things from a much more grounded basis.

i'd read some Jung, if i was you.

Jung for instance, has a lot to say about the roles of the masculine and the feminine which reflect our long long darwinian evolution.

this was all tossed aside in 1960 for some weird experiment we are currently seeing played out (a type of gender equality)
the chances that this experiment will end well, in my estimation is zero
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:11am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:08am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:43am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.


That's the biggest load of bollocks you've come up with yet.

You're slip is showing.



Aussie - I support(ed) your right to ask the pertinent questions about this - but until you nobody mentioned anything about colour....

Let it go...... and as you said, how is it 'DV' when the gardener stalks etc?  The only domestic relationship between them is he is employed to garden... in theory, anyway.

Perhaps women need training in who to consort with.... all this 'women's lib' nonsense and sexual freedom etc is costing their lives...


That's one option.

Orrrrr, men could be taught to NOT rape & kill women   Undecided

Just throwin' it out there.



Show me how... nobody has yet tried to answer the question I raised earlier - how do you propose to stop such things happening???

Emotive ranting will not help, and the only result will be more and more draconian rules against men on the faintest suspicion, leading to an escalating level of violence involved in DV from ALL sides.... but primarily the responsibility of those seeking to impose order by using violence against one group.

Do you know how many men are assaulted by police and then courts when the current handling is carried forward, and police (etc) respond massively to any whinge from any woman for any reason and hit at the man?  That is violence, son - and totally unwarranted in well over 90% of cases - and once police go down that path, they dump all over the man involved in every way they can to protect their own arses.

What exactly do you imagine that leads to?  You cannot resolve the issues of violence by exercising violence.... DUH - and this kind of emotive nonsense put about is just a hand-up to the incoming Labor government of women to put more and more violence against men into the equation - leading to a predictable result.... more and more deaths on all sides.  Roll Eyes

The current laws (non-laws) are flawed and the current handling is flawed .... and please, let's stay clear of proven nut cases flinging kids off bridges.... or random attacks on the streets.... when you have the answer to those things, keep it in context.

And do try to keep DV and non-DV incidents separate...
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Some men and women are born aggressors. Society will not change the biological make up. They will kill or maim without concern but they are a very small minority imo ie. the stalker that is alleged to have killed the mother beside her kid.

But in a DV case I'd bet 99% of them regret killing the woman....but at the time they lashed out in rage. This lashing out can be from a multitude of things. The inner psych is a strange thing and can make people do strange things.
What is not being considered is the added pressure of life in the modern world. The brain has no time to relax or shut down...... that is why we chase the fix/vice or what I call the mask, be it alcohol, drugs or both.
There is no inner peace being practiced by a lot of people. Instead they become drug addicts or alcoholics. Why? It could be work, financial, personal or all of it combined. So when this is happening it is easy to just lash out in anger or rage. They're unhappy and festering into physical violence.


DV is a tough subject. There are always 2 sides as well. Yeah the woman/man died (and that is not okay btw) but what lead up to this? I mean, when they met the bloke/woman didn't kill that night. They lived a life together that obviously was making one or the other unhappy with no communication, or better still, reasoning to get by. Most men just say "yes dear" to keep the woman happy instead of actually saying how they feel. This could be fear of losing their material items. Then when it's the other way the woman closes up and no love is shown.....I've been there. No sex, vacant feelings. Uncertainty. Basically living separate lives in a broken relationship. Now the stress starts to kick in and your mind makes up all sorts of senarios as to what the other is up too. It goes for both sides...not just the male.
So now the anger starts to fester. They may have an affair seeking refuge and comfort from a 3rd party. They may turn to drugs or alcohol. Everyone is different....but what we all have in common is inner peace.


Women in abusive relationships tend to live in fear. Fear of the man....fear of leaving. They fear their safety if they leave yet what they are living in is an unsafe environment. Who do they turn to? The situation is embarrassing. Their life seems to be failing. How did they get here. Why did they let it go so long. All of these questions with no reasonable answer. I know of men that have lived with abusive women. Same thing.

I will say that in a separation the law is def favored to the woman. I've seen men cleaned out of most of their financial belongings. Even their super if she's a real bitch. I haven't heard much of the other way around though.  It may happen but no where near as much.

Then throw a kid into the mix and he is going to be slaughtered by the gov for child support. That is a cruel organisation becuase if you have debt before the break up...they don't care. If you work more hrs to cover the costs then next tax return you pay more...so then you work more to cover it agian...then next tax you pay more. I'd believe that this may be the cause of some of those men flipping out and killing the woman, the kids and sometimes himself. Child support is evil and our gov is not listening.



Peace.


Sadly, all that you say is true... and the current war between women and men (initiator listed first in majority of cases) created by 'government' for its own ends - namely giving to its SS the 'right' to remove legal firearms from households and the 'right' to intrude into normal lives of normal people without proper reason (responding to any silly complaint and having that supported 1000% by 'courts') is the root cause of the escalating and never-ending violence and increasing deaths.

Emotive and smarmy though it may sound and feel - totally supporting women in any whine to the detriment of men in every way, including those you describe above, is the problem and not the solution.

I've cited to you before how the sister of a highly-placed person in NSW, through the DVAS, went after me after I married someone else and had nothing to do with that first for ages... the DVAS went after this relentlessly - it was the early days and they were typically trying to expand the approach and meaning of 'apprehended violence' to mean anything the woman wanted (hello, fools) - and even my lawyer said that the DVAS lawyer was insane...

For the conspiracy theorists - this followed very quickly after I lodged one of two dissenting opinions with the NSW Law Reform Commission, in its mindless pursuit of its current vogue of 'domestic violence 'laws'.  Every warning I gave in that submission has come true and is now getting worse.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:11am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:08am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:43am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 4:58pm:
That is appalling cods.  I agree with the writer of that article.  All we ever see dealt with in a committed way is violence perpetrated by non white arseholes and we ignore the violence committed by the white arseholes.  No votes in that I guess.


That's the biggest load of bollocks you've come up with yet.

You're slip is showing.



Aussie - I support(ed) your right to ask the pertinent questions about this - but until you nobody mentioned anything about colour....

Let it go...... and as you said, how is it 'DV' when the gardener stalks etc?  The only domestic relationship between them is he is employed to garden... in theory, anyway.

Perhaps women need training in who to consort with.... all this 'women's lib' nonsense and sexual freedom etc is costing their lives...


That's one option.

Orrrrr, men could be taught to NOT rape & kill women   Undecided

Just throwin' it out there.



Show me how... nobody has yet tried to answer the question I raised earlier - how do you propose to stop such things happening???

Emotive ranting will not help, and the only result will be more and more draconian rules against men on the faintest suspicion, leading to an escalating level of violence involved in DV from ALL sides.... but primarily the responsibility of those seeking to impose order by using violence against one group.

Do you know how many men are assaulted by police and then courts when the current handling is carried forward, and police (etc) respond massively to any whinge from any woman for any reason and hit at the man?  That is violence, son - and totally unwarranted in well over 90% of cases - and once police go down that path, they dump all over the man involved in every way they can to protect their own arses.

What exactly do you imagine that leads to?  You cannot resolve the issues of violence by exercising violence.... DUH - and this kind of emotive nonsense put about is just a hand-up to the incoming Labor government of women to put more and more violence against men into the equation - leading to a predictable result.... more and more deaths on all sides.  Roll Eyes

The current laws (non-laws) are flawed and the current handling is flawed .... and please, let's stay clear of proven nut cases flinging kids off bridges.... or random attacks on the streets.... when you have the answer to those things, keep it in context.

And do try to keep DV and non-DV incidents separate...



Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.

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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..


I am not splitting hairs cods.  I am tired of sob sister man bashing and putting it down to something called domestic violence.  It is what it is....six women murdered in one week, and that is what Government needs to address and drill down into.  "DV" simplistic sob sisters do not help.


Mothra will probably take you to task for that. Can you post the outcome here?


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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mainly the men who are doing all the raping and killing, isn't it?

Nobody had to teach me not to rape and murder, by the way - it's just not something I've ever considered doing.

I don't know, I'm just funny like that.



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Reply #36 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
youre sort of right grappler.

the problem needs to be seen as not a zero sum gain or loss.

you cant punish men without also punishing women
because the lefties sort of have it wrong.

the battle of the sexes is a marxist construct because the marxists see everything in terms of the oppressor and the oppressed.

this was seen by marx as economic oppression by the wealthy but the post modern marxists sees every interaction as a power play and men and women neccessarily trying to get the upper hand.
and the more powerful is always seen as oppressing the less powerful.
so a man and a women fighting is seen as oppressor and oppressed.
and the oppressor is assumed to be in the wrong...always. 

now the truth is probably not that men and women have been in the oppressor/oppressed role for 1000's of years.
go back 200 years and both men and women had it pretty rough and they worked together to try to mitigate the harshness.

men in wars in european history had pretty gruesome deaths.
women in childbirth similarly.
men in coal mines had it pretty rough in dickens days
women in cotton mills the same.

so men and women have a history that is much more about support and working together.
until the post modern marxists applied their one size fits all and determined that the patriachy was a hierachy of oppression (not competance) and that tearing down the patriachy would liberate women.

liberate them to what exactly?
working some crap job in retail , chronic poverty and single motherhood of kids they cant control?
womens lib worked very nicely for the female uni intellectual.
not so well for the working class
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'




She owned a fish and chip shop.
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aquascoot wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
thoughtful post captain.

a couple of things.

alcohol, drugs , junk food are just the easy way to put a band aid on pain.
doesnt work long term.
Agreed. That's why I call it a "mask". The problem is still there untill you deal with it.


the female / male dynamic is very difficult to come to terms with because people , in a consumer society, come at the problem from the frame of 'what can i get'.
so the man might want sex, the woman might want gifts.
its the same problem faced in the workplace.
the employer asks what can i get
the employee asks what can i get.
Absolutely. We are now programed this way so big buisiness gets all of our money. Keeping up with the jones' instead of living to our means. The look at me persona highlighted daily in social media ie Facebook. People posting their lives online for what? A stupid "like". Really? And if they don't get the likes etc they try harder. Troubling to say the least imo


even although religions are deeply troubled by superstition and dogma, there is a reason why the underlying mythology developed.
Fear. Fear that you will be punished forever.
And control. Control over the financial and economic development of nations. One of the richest mafias in the world the catholic church with an evil underlying agenda. But people believe, again seeking answers for what is without realising what is. The world can't form on its own. God made it. Unable to acceptany other way.


the modern scientific thinker believes he is very superior to the modern religious thinker.
but is that true.
creatiinist v evelutionist theories. I know people that believe the world is 5000yrs old. I call it crazy but they believe it and are happy with that. I am an evolutionist. 


is the development of nuclear weapons (a scientific achievement) a good thing?
Hell no! But again, programing the masses to believe it is....just in case we're attacked webhave a last resort.  Ask japan if nuclear weapons are a good thing.


religion has been with us , in a darwinian sense since we became conscious.
and our underlying biology dates back millions of years.
the human psychological function...to find an answer and when one is to difficult to find....make one up. Again just accepting something iswhat it is will not suffice


we have only been materialist and scientific for 200 years.

and WW1, WW2, the destruction of the environment, potential nuclear holocaust....well, its pretty dammed arrogant to be feeling too good about ourselves.
this is true. Environmental distruction is out of my reach. I will never stop it so I have to learn to live in it. Make the best from a bad situation. In the end nature WILL win. Feeling good is something that must come from within ones self. Not looking at what everyone is contributing too. We are minions. We have no choice. If the big powers decide to drop a nuke then us minions will not be able to stop it. When one family has enough money to feed every human in the world....but chooses not too that is not something to be feeling good about. But living healthy, going about your buisiness for the betterment of your children in the environment you're given.....and succeeding is something to feel good about. And not being greedy is also very rewarding on the inner pshyc.


the deep philosophers (jung, nietchze ) looked at these things from a much more grounded basis.

i'd read some Jung, if i was you.

Jung for instance, has a lot to say about the roles of the masculine and the feminine which reflect our long long darwinian evolution.

this was all tossed aside in 1960 for some weird experiment we are currently seeing played out (a type of gender equality)
the chances that this experiment will end well, in my estimation is zero
We are rats in a cage. I believe with all the GM foods etc that we are mutating so to speak. Will it be good? I'm not able to see the future. But given that most of our fruit now has no seeds then in the end we will have to rely on big brother for most fruit and veg no matter what. That means buying seeds, buying animals etc etc. How many urban dwelling humans can catch, kill and prepare their own food? Not many at all amd those that can are frowned upon by some. 
In years to come we will not be able to produce our own fruit and veg like we can now. Scary stuff considering 100yrs ago we had too to survive.





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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:10am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
thoughtful post captain.

a couple of things.

alcohol, drugs , junk food are just the easy way to put a band aid on pain.
doesnt work long term.
Agreed. That's why I call it a "mask". The problem is still there untill you deal with it.


the female / male dynamic is very difficult to come to terms with because people , in a consumer society, come at the problem from the frame of 'what can i get'.
so the man might want sex, the woman might want gifts.
its the same problem faced in the workplace.
the employer asks what can i get
the employee asks what can i get.
Absolutely. We are now programed this way so big buisiness gets all of our money. Keeping up with the jones' instead of living to our means. The look at me persona highlighted daily in social media ie Facebook. People posting their lives online for what? A stupid "like". Really? And if they don't get the likes etc they try harder. Troubling to say the least imo


even although religions are deeply troubled by superstition and dogma, there is a reason why the underlying mythology developed.
Fear. Fear that you will be punished forever.
And control. Control over the financial and economic development of nations. One of the richest mafias in the world the catholic church with an evil underlying agenda. But people believe, again seeking answers for what is without realising what is. The world can't form on its own. God made it. Unable to acceptany other way.


the modern scientific thinker believes he is very superior to the modern religious thinker.
but is that true.
creatiinist v evelutionist theories. I know people that believe the world is 5000yrs old. I call it crazy but they believe it and are happy with that. I am an evolutionist. 


is the development of nuclear weapons (a scientific achievement) a good thing?
Hell no! But again, programing the masses to believe it is....just in case we're attacked webhave a last resort.  Ask japan if nuclear weapons are a good thing.


religion has been with us , in a darwinian sense since we became conscious.
and our underlying biology dates back millions of years.
the human psychological function...to find an answer and when one is to difficult to find....make one up. Again just accepting something iswhat it is will not suffice


we have only been materialist and scientific for 200 years.

and WW1, WW2, the destruction of the environment, potential nuclear holocaust....well, its pretty dammed arrogant to be feeling too good about ourselves.
this is true. Environmental distruction is out of my reach. I will never stop it so I have to learn to live in it. Make the best from a bad situation. In the end nature WILL win. Feeling good is something that must come from within ones self. Not looking at what everyone is contributing too. We are minions. We have no choice. If the big powers decide to drop a nuke then us minions will not be able to stop it. When one family has enough money to feed every human in the world....but chooses not too that is not something to be feeling good about. But living healthy, going about your buisiness for the betterment of your children in the environment you're given.....and succeeding is something to feel good about. And not being greedy is also very rewarding on the inner pshyc.


the deep philosophers (jung, nietchze ) looked at these things from a much more grounded basis.

i'd read some Jung, if i was you.

Jung for instance, has a lot to say about the roles of the masculine and the feminine which reflect our long long darwinian evolution.

this was all tossed aside in 1960 for some weird experiment we are currently seeing played out (a type of gender equality)
the chances that this experiment will end well, in my estimation is zero
We are rats in a cage. I believe with all the GM foods etc that we are mutating so to speak. Will it be good? I'm not able to see the future. But given that most of our fruit now has no seeds then in the end we will have to rely on big brother for most fruit and veg no matter what. That means buying seeds, buying animals etc etc. How many urban dwelling humans can catch, kill and prepare their own food? Not many at all amd those that can are frowned upon by some. 
In years to come we will not be able to produce our own fruit and veg like we can now. Scary stuff considering 100yrs ago we had too to survive.





Bit off topic so apologiesto the OP.











I believe with all the GM foods etc that we are mutating so to speak.



Let that one just sink in for a bit.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:12am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:10am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:25am:
thoughtful post captain.

a couple of things.

alcohol, drugs , junk food are just the easy way to put a band aid on pain.
doesnt work long term.
Agreed. That's why I call it a "mask". The problem is still there untill you deal with it.


the female / male dynamic is very difficult to come to terms with because people , in a consumer society, come at the problem from the frame of 'what can i get'.
so the man might want sex, the woman might want gifts.
its the same problem faced in the workplace.
the employer asks what can i get
the employee asks what can i get.
Absolutely. We are now programed this way so big buisiness gets all of our money. Keeping up with the jones' instead of living to our means. The look at me persona highlighted daily in social media ie Facebook. People posting their lives online for what? A stupid "like". Really? And if they don't get the likes etc they try harder. Troubling to say the least imo


even although religions are deeply troubled by superstition and dogma, there is a reason why the underlying mythology developed.
Fear. Fear that you will be punished forever.
And control. Control over the financial and economic development of nations. One of the richest mafias in the world the catholic church with an evil underlying agenda. But people believe, again seeking answers for what is without realising what is. The world can't form on its own. God made it. Unable to acceptany other way.


the modern scientific thinker believes he is very superior to the modern religious thinker.
but is that true.
creatiinist v evelutionist theories. I know people that believe the world is 5000yrs old. I call it crazy but they believe it and are happy with that. I am an evolutionist. 


is the development of nuclear weapons (a scientific achievement) a good thing?
Hell no! But again, programing the masses to believe it is....just in case we're attacked webhave a last resort.  Ask japan if nuclear weapons are a good thing.


religion has been with us , in a darwinian sense since we became conscious.
and our underlying biology dates back millions of years.
the human psychological function...to find an answer and when one is to difficult to find....make one up. Again just accepting something iswhat it is will not suffice


we have only been materialist and scientific for 200 years.

and WW1, WW2, the destruction of the environment, potential nuclear holocaust....well, its pretty dammed arrogant to be feeling too good about ourselves.
this is true. Environmental distruction is out of my reach. I will never stop it so I have to learn to live in it. Make the best from a bad situation. In the end nature WILL win. Feeling good is something that must come from within ones self. Not looking at what everyone is contributing too. We are minions. We have no choice. If the big powers decide to drop a nuke then us minions will not be able to stop it. When one family has enough money to feed every human in the world....but chooses not too that is not something to be feeling good about. But living healthy, going about your buisiness for the betterment of your children in the environment you're given.....and succeeding is something to feel good about. And not being greedy is also very rewarding on the inner pshyc.


the deep philosophers (jung, nietchze ) looked at these things from a much more grounded basis.

i'd read some Jung, if i was you.

Jung for instance, has a lot to say about the roles of the masculine and the feminine which reflect our long long darwinian evolution.

this was all tossed aside in 1960 for some weird experiment we are currently seeing played out (a type of gender equality)
the chances that this experiment will end well, in my estimation is zero
We are rats in a cage. I believe with all the GM foods etc that we are mutating so to speak. Will it be good? I'm not able to see the future. But given that most of our fruit now has no seeds then in the end we will have to rely on big brother for most fruit and veg no matter what. That means buying seeds, buying animals etc etc. How many urban dwelling humans can catch, kill and prepare their own food? Not many at all amd those that can are frowned upon by some. 
In years to come we will not be able to produce our own fruit and veg like we can now. Scary stuff considering 100yrs ago we had too to survive.





Bit off topic so apologiesto the OP.











I believe with all the GM foods etc that we are mutating so to speak.



Let that one just sink in for a bit.




Why?

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Why?

Please elaborate.




Easy, its BS.
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the battle of the sexes is a marxist construct because the marxists see everything in terms of the oppressor and the oppressed.



Ah.

And here's me thinking it was invented by FM radio stations.

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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'




She owned a fish and chip shop.


And still views those without work as a lesser breed....
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:30am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:10am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'




She owned a fish and chip shop.


And still views those without work as a lesser breed....




Ironic really isn't it.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:02am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mainly the men who are doing all the raping and killing, isn't it?

Nobody had to teach me not to rape and murder, by the way - it's just not something I've ever considered doing.

I don't know, I'm just funny like that.





If you look at society as a whole - men are killed by violent acts more than women, and men do predominate in both the killing and the raping.

My question is how are you to go about 'teaching' men not to rape and murder, since those who will do so will not be taught anyway - and when you say 'men' - you include all men except yourself, who you say does not need teaching those things.

How are you going to sort out who needs it and who doesn't?  Other than on the purely self-reporting basis you apply to yourself?

Wait for the Labor sheilas to get hold of the reins - and see what happens then... more monstering of countless men in the fervent and futile hope that by doing so, a few bad ones might be caught or prevented - meanwhile your very actions in monstering more and more men is itself unwarranted violence and thus adds fuel to the fire, as well as encouraging false complaints from women, and creating an inevitable response from many of those afflicted men.

Inflicting violence on an entire social group as a means of seeking to control wrongful behaviour of a few within that group has never worked yet... and leads to retaliation in every way.

So - I ask again - what is your solution... not just your personal pious anecdote.  Why would you begin to imagine that under such 'laws', you will not be targeted at random in this ongoing campaign of terror??

Being a self-proclaimed 'good guy' never saved a single victim of any holocaust.....
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Now, Grasshoppers - I am going to a haematologist for some tests, and am anticipating the questions marks I will see above her head over my injuries and illnesses....

I'll be back later to chew on your asses some more....

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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Why?

Please elaborate.






Easy, its BS.



Mehh. Like you'd know anyway.  Grin Grin Grin
You probably don't know what real food tasted like.

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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:28am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Why?

Please elaborate.






Easy, its BS.



Mehh. Like you'd know anyway.  Grin Grin Grin
You probably don't know what real food tasted like.

As you were.  Wink


You mean apart from my knowledge of digestive processes on DNA, opposed to your dr google?
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..


I am not splitting hairs cods.  I am tired of sob sister man bashing and putting it down to something called domestic violence.  It is what it is....six women murdered in one week, and that is what Government needs to address and drill down into.  "DV" simplistic sob sisters do not help.


Mothra will probably take you to task for that. Can you post the outcome here?


If you really want her response/opinion, you know where to find it.
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cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..


I am not splitting hairs cods.  I am tired of sob sister man bashing and putting it down to something called domestic violence.  It is what it is....six women murdered in one week, and that is what Government needs to address and drill down into.  "DV" simplistic sob sisters do not help.


If a particular type of problem can be identified, then that is actually useful in finding a solution. Violence against women is actually a "thing" Aussie, and identifying it and understanding its causes may actually save lives.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:37am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:02am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mainly the men who are doing all the raping and killing, isn't it?

Nobody had to teach me not to rape and murder, by the way - it's just not something I've ever considered doing.

I don't know, I'm just funny like that.





If you look at society as a whole - men are killed by violent acts more than women, and men do predominate in both the killing and the raping.

My question is how are you to go about 'teaching' men not to rape and murder, since those who will do so will not be taught anyway - and when you say 'men' - you include all men except yourself, who you say does not need teaching those things.

How are you going to sort out who needs it and who doesn't?  Other than on the purely self-reporting basis you apply to yourself?

Wait for the Labor sheilas to get hold of the reins - and see what happens then... more monstering of countless men in the fervent and futile hope that by doing so, a few bad ones might be caught or prevented - meanwhile your very actions in monstering more and more men is itself unwarranted violence and thus adds fuel to the fire, as well as encouraging false complaints from women, and creating an inevitable response from many of those afflicted men.

Inflicting violence on an entire social group as a means of seeking to control wrongful behaviour of a few within that group has never worked yet... and leads to retaliation in every way.

So - I ask again - what is your solution... not just your personal pious anecdote.  Why would you begin to imagine that under such 'laws', you will not be targeted at random in this ongoing campaign of terror??

Being a self-proclaimed 'good guy' never saved a single victim of any holocaust.....


Grappler mostly your posts are pretty mundane, nothing out of the ordinary standard sentiments. But I have noticed when it comes to topics about women and sexism/misogyny, you suddenly get quite shrill. Who knows, maybe you had some bad personal experience with a divorce, I don't know, and I don't want to know.

Your sentiments about women are pretty emblematic of the problem our society faces on the issue of women: male victimhood, always assuming sinister intentions on the part of women, subtly denigrating women etc. The way I see it, a problem like violence against women has two components: 1. the very small number of actual offenders/potential offenders and 2. a significantly larger population of enablers - those men (and possibly some women) who put on this "nothing to see here folks - why are you so mean to men!!??" routine - exactly like you are doing now. These people create a sort of 'vibe' that instills into the sub-conscious of society the idea that misogyny and its logical extension - violence against women - is maybe not so bad. This is the fuel that the actual offenders need to offend.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:31am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:30am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:10am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'




She owned a fish and chip shop.


And still views those without work as a lesser breed....




Ironic really isn't it.



Yes - sadly she talks the talk without walking the walk....
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gandalf wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Grappler mostly your posts are pretty mundane, nothing out of the ordinary standard sentiments. But I have noticed when it comes to topics about women and sexism/misogyny, you suddenly get quite shrill. Who knows, maybe you had some bad personal experience with a divorce, I don't know, and I don't want to know.

Your sentiments about women are pretty emblematic of the problem our society faces on the issue of women: male victimhood, always assuming sinister intentions on the part of women, subtly denigrating women etc. The way I see it, a problem like violence against women has two components: 1. the very small number of actual offenders/potential offenders and 2. a significantly larger population of enablers - those men (and possibly some women) who put on this "nothing to see here folks - why are you so mean to men!!??" routine - exactly like you are doing now. These people create a sort of 'vibe' that instills into the sub-conscious of society the idea that misogyny and its logical extension - violence against women - is maybe not so bad. This is the fuel that the actual offenders need to offend.


Gandalf - all of your posts are meaningless and flawed, and you have no idea what you are talking about beyond petty prejudices and emotive nonsense.

Misogyny as currently used, for example, does not exist, and your conclusions are arrant nonsense.

Ah - I see - so any quiet and reasoned impartial discussion of the very real functioning and impact of certain 'laws' is now 'shrill'?

I could go through the rest of your nonsensical post - but can't be bothered.

It is FACT that governments set the current mode of 'dv law' in place, with a zero standard of proof and an end run around the rule of law - so as to permit its agencies the 'right' to engage in social war, and steal legal firearms from the community, with secondary objective of instilling in men a fear that unless they 'behave' by that absurd standard - they stand to be devastated in their reputations, their livelihoods, their home and home life, their family, and everything they spend a lifetime working to accumulate.

The entire aim of these non-laws is to use the instruments of government to enforce control over much of society by women - a stupid, short-sighted, and totally absurd thing, given that it effectively destroys the basis of our society - family - and is an utter violation of any attempt at reasoned discussion holding sway in the home (etc) rather than crass bullying.

You exaggerate ridiculously when you say nonsense such as 'shrill', 'always assuming sinister intentions on the part of women, subtly denigrating women' and so forth - NONE of which are evident in what I write and say.  Rather, it is the case that I dispassionately review the actual effects of such nonsense, and point out the very real violence involved in this artificial promotion of women's power and destruction of our society, and the very real loss of rights involved.... as well as pointing out the simple reality that trying so desperately to use violence and a reign of fear to create 'peace' (by one standard only, and an illegal one) is never going to resolve the real issues of violence - but such an approach is guaranteed to actively BE and PROMOTE violence.

Not my fault that so many of you have simply no idea of what actually constitutes violence and a reign of terror in place of reason, decency, sense and humanity.

I hold your kind responsible for the rising casualties on all sides in this mindless government-created war of women on men, and of the state on men.

One day you apologists for the war on men will work out that exerting violence on vague suspicion will never resolve violence as an issue, but is itself an active promotion of violence as the means to an end.

Your problem here, Gandalf, is that you're one of those sycophants who seek to vilify any attempt at fair discussion of the real issues involved in the by now twenty-five plus year war on men here in the West, into some sort of gutter level hatred of women and similar nonsense.  That is a coward's way of avoiding the issues.  Roll Eyes
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 12:22pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:28am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Why?

Please elaborate.






Easy, its BS.



Mehh. Like you'd know anyway.  Grin Grin Grin
You probably don't know what real food tasted like.

As you were.  Wink


You mean apart from my knowledge of digestive processes on DNA, opposed to your dr google?



So you're a scientist?
Professor?
Desk clerk at the gp?
Or just another personal trainer that's read a book?

Explaining means to go in depth. Something that you seem very scared to do round here. Why is that?
Cut the one line bullshit out and type away. Explain your experience ffs.
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Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....
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Aussie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
cods wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:13pm:
get a life aussie....you want to split hairs  go somewhere else..


I am not splitting hairs cods.  I am tired of sob sister man bashing and putting it down to something called domestic violence.  It is what it is....six women murdered in one week, and that is what Government needs to address and drill down into.  "DV" simplistic sob sisters do not help.


If a particular type of problem can be identified, then that is actually useful in finding a solution. Violence against women is actually a "thing" Aussie, and identifying it and understanding its causes may actually save lives.



ahhh at last a man of few words...

thank you gandalf.. so far you and I almost never see eye to eye...yet on this we are bang on...

anything at all that will reduce  women dying at the hands of angry nasty men...

so many change the direction of this thread  I stopped posting in it, it makes me sick..

but here you are one of the least I would expect btw... bringing the topic back on line..with old fashioned commonsense..

it is about WOMEN BEING MURDERED....

6 in the one week in this!!!! our beloved country...

which doesnt even seem to make a dent in some folks
brains... they dont even want to talk about it...

just themselves....priceless   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

so thanks gandalf......splitting hairs on whether it is Dv or any other kind of Bloody violence  doesnt make it any the less VIOLENT  or any the less BLOODY....


most are in fact due to relationship problems....

does anyone think for instance  had the police had the ability to help Kirstie after receiving some very ugly messages over a long period of time....she may very well be alive today?????>..

its just a silly question...one that wont come up in court......b ut none the less   the police didnt help her at all WHY?... doesnt anyone think we should do better than leave young women to actually be attacked before the police intervene?.....

for all we know at least one of these other 5 women who are now dead...

were told the same thing..


when he harms you call us.. Roll Eyes

I for one do not believe we take this as seriously as we should...

DVO and AVOs are pieces of paper !!!!!!!!

we have heard so many times  that if the rules are broken   NOTHING HAPPENS....they do not go to jail....for breaking a rule....WHY?>..

sadly the facts are it is MOSTLY MEN KILLING WOMEN 

mostly it is women they have had a relationship with...

why is that classed as man bashing if in reality it is a FACT>....

why am I classed as A SOB SISTER because I start a thread on something I believe is worth talking about.???>.



do those who complain have something to hide?? Roll Eyes

because one could be forgiven for thinking along those lines...

somehow  what we are doing is not working....

lets not forget all those that are missing..

an awful lot are females

or young men ....just gone............

surely  its worth talking about....at least!

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cods wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man.... Cry Cry Cry Cry


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.
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Reply #59 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 8:17pm
 
" had the police had the ability to help Kirstie after receiving some very ugly messages over a long period of time....she may very well be alive today"

The police said they received no formal complaints and her family said she made none.... she posted it on Facebook...

I'll ask you two again - what exactly are your proposals for preventing such things as this murder?

I know how hard it is to answer a direct question and how easy to satisfy yourself with emotive utterances and no fact and to shoot the messenger....... but please - walk into it....

All the world wondered.....

Jesus - even GregPec won't come at this one...
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Gandie... codsie... where are you?

The world needs an answer to how you would go about preventing these things in advance...... obviously deterrence via punishment after the event is not working.....

So what are your proposals for preventing such events across all of society?  what exactly is it that you expect 'Canberra' to do?  Impose martial law and lock up all men?  Or only those men who some woman decides she wants to put a hate on or throw a tizz about?  Do you want an instant arrest and imprisonment on any complaint?

What are you pair?  ShutzStaffeln members who expect the State to have absolute power over every individual without any constraints?

And yet you two would be the first to complain if YOUR rights were suddenly removed from you....

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

What is your answer?
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Education is a good start.


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I'm also busy chewing ass with codsie and Gandalf over women's deaths.... I'm surprised that all three of you aren't in that one since you are all equally bereft of understanding..... and strong on rhetoric, personal jibes, emotive comments, and pedantry.

None so blind as they who refuse to see.... I watched a movie just now to give you three time to consider your positions - nothing changes...
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Education is a good start.




Indeed - then go find it...... I keep feeding it to you.. where's Karnie, BTW?  Can't imagine what would keep him/her from the same endless useless pedantic arguments....
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Education is a good start.




Now how do you intend to go about this 'education' that will prevent the insane, the drug-crazed, the alienated/radicalised, the criminally minded, the bent, the twisted and the lame-asses...... even the (gasps) ethnically pre-disposed to devouring cat meat??




How about we just put all men into Das Konzentrationslageren and only allow out those who have proven their 'social cleanliness'?

What is it YOU would expect 'Canberra' The Almighty to do?  We know in advance what Labor will do.... what are your thoughts on such violent invasion of human and legal rights on whim?

'e-ducation' - the drawing out of knowledge acquired and thought through....

In providing your answer - you - and cods and Gandalf the Lame - will improve your very own education on these issues..... you see - no such issue stands alone.....
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Greg... Gandie... codsie.... where are you... radio check, over....

I'm waiting for your answer to the simple question:-

What do YOU propose as the means of controlling and cutting out the unrelated and totally different in nature and content acts of violence you are discussing?

And please - try to keep the hate speech and rhetorical distortions out of it, attacking the messenger of peace and so forth and inferring some kind of weakness or wrongness in him as your means of discussion ... Gandie made that mistake - now the piper wants paying ..... you should know better than that by now....

LIST!!  And come on, little girlies - we need Karnie here as well.. get all the remedial students in one class.... for the sake of efficiency.... it's been over nine hours since the question was asked and still no response...

Will it be:-  (just suggestions here - you do understand suggestions?):-

a) The Athenian/Persian wars solution -** "Hear ye, O Athenians, that walls of paper law shall be thy salvation!"  Will you build walls of paper around your person.. or set sail in paper ships and thus escape The Heathen?

b) A New Commissariat run and staffed by Feminists and one or two Tango Mikes (Token Men) to make it look good, with Flying Squads of Commissars Of Protection Of All (meaning women only - but hey - let's not quibble -first things first as they said way back in 1992) (KGB - Killing Bad Guys and with an informer in every apartment block and on every street corner) holding session in every town and village, rounding up all the men and interrogating them to determine their social purity.... and gulaging any with even a whiff of suspicion or better still, marching them off into a quiet wood and a bullet to the back of the head and dumped in a shallow mass grave?  Every town and village left socially clean and in accord with the Commissariat and the People's New Democratic Republic Of Canberra.

c)  Simply gulag all men (except, of course the Lobotomised Eunuchs) and vet them for social purity and cleanliness of thought, run them through re-education classes and self-examination groups and self-criticism sessions, and send them back, once purified, out into the world newly re-created and ready to serve their mistresses?

d)  Capture all the schools and begin to indoctrinate men from the age of three or four in the Right Way to do things and Be a New Man .... no need of course, to bring in such Sexist ™ things as advising girls never to walk home alone at night drunk, or go to a party alone and get drunk, or leave a drink unattended, or get tangled up with losers, drug addicts, blokes with guns and tattoos and criminal records... rabid religious types... or to suggest that gay etc types should keep it to themselves and mind their own business and give others the same privilege etc....

e)  Drive men out of the houses of learning and certain areas of work, all of which are Raging Hotbeds of Non-rape, with claims of rape and sexual assault and harassment, and especially government positions and establishments which exercise social control*** .... and thus facilitate the establishment of Feminist Hegemony via superior education and thus higher earning capacity and social control etc.....


Your suggestions are welcomed...... if you have the balls...

What is YOUR solution?

** The Delphic Oracles of High Feminism surrounded by their Praetorian Guard of Lobotomised Eunuchs

*** The public service first, then teaching.... moved on to the Police and Armed Forces and Politics now, not to mention the cream of professions .... if any other group, say the Chinese or the Indonesians or the Russians or the Middle Eastern Muslims - tried that on - there'd be a war and sanctions on all sides to keep them out - but this Special Interest Group of self-confessed supremacists bent on bringing down the nation as it now stands?  The sky's the limit and the Eunuchs are lining up to help them!!
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
cods wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man.... Cry Cry Cry Cry


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.
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Reply #67 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:18am
 
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:41am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 8:14pm:
cods wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man.... Cry Cry Cry Cry


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.


Not my fault you don't understand history and politics... and the actual functioning of violence in a society and what violence is....

Simple question:-  What is your solution to these totally separate and widespread acts of violence?

Two questions:-  What exactly is it you want Canberra to do? 

Not hard, really - what is your plan to resolve these issues, cods - other than criticise me for asking and explaining a few possibilities to you...  very sensible of me....

I know - let's go for the Labor sheila's way:-

e)  Pass in draconian (and totally illegal) legislation that mandates that any man, anywhere, at any time who is suspected of even the remotest possibility of upsetting any woman, will be arbitrarily arrested, confined and will have a record against him for being arrested as a potential violent person.  Then legislate in similar fashion that if he ever 're-offends' by the same standard (or utter lack of) he will be arrested, confined and charged with a criminal offence, causing his life to be destroyed for life and he personally held up as a violent criminal to everyone.

In order to secure this, 'encourage' the forces of law to approach any and all such issues with the clear intent of 'confronting a violent person', and thus use violence against him, and then use further violence by charging him falsely with assaulting police and such... then add to it further violence with a court upholding such pure insanity and handing out a totally unwarranted in most cases set of dictates on behaviour, with the only proof required of any breach being any complaint at all by the same (lack of) standard.

Do that enough times to enough men, and the rest will get the message .....


The trouble with that, for all you sycophantic apologists with your utter lack of thinking and moral standing, is that each and every one of these actions is an act of violence itself, and thus in no way mitigates violence overall, but actively creates violence in four ways:-

i) it enables any woman for any reason to have direct violence exerted against any man with or without any reason - i.e. it is handing to one party in any situation absolute power and control over the other, and thus violence is inevitable from that controlling person.  The corollary is that this is a clear handing to women of absolute power over any relationship with a man, no matter how trivial that relationship.  **

ii) it enables the forces of law to (illegally) exert violence against any man with or without any reason - but just because they can and are allowed and actively encouraged to do so.

iii) It place an absolute 'right' to unmitigated violence in the hands of the state via its police and courts (and specified individuals and groups), against a specified group within society without any reference to Law as it stands - a clear Crime Against Humanity and an utter travesty of the use of law.

iv)  It provokes revenge and retaliation (note that word) in many ways in many of those men raped of their rights in this way, and the end result, as the Dalai Lama said - is unpredictable..... but certainly in the long run will be more deaths in countless ways, including increasingly of police and magistrates, and eventually (finally some justice) politicians who support this kind of Ultra-Fascist insanity.  Declare war and eventually you will get what you wish for......

Men raped of their right to a quiet civilised reasoned life in these ways will indeed get the message - the message is that violence is the way to go.... and it matters not one whit if you steal a lamb or a sheep...

I cannot train fools....... I try, lord, how I try.... Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

** Of course (wink, wink) we all know that is the end game... all this guff about rape and rape culture and violence cobbled together under one roof is a thin disguise for handing total control of society to women.... no such thing as power sharing and equality there, eh?  When will you people understand that, when I discuss these things - women and feminism are two separate things?  I adore women - I loathe feminism.... get with it, children.
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 4:43pm:
You exaggerate ridiculously when you say nonsense such as 'shrill', 'always assuming sinister intentions on the part of women, subtly denigrating women' and so forth - NONE of which are evident in what I write and say.  Rather, it is the case that I dispassionately review the actual effects of such nonsense, and point out the very real violence involved in this artificial promotion of women's power and destruction of our society, and the very real loss of rights involved.... as well as pointing out the simple reality that trying so desperately to use violence and a reign of fear to create 'peace' (by one standard only, and an illegal one) is never going to resolve the real issues of violence - but such an approach is guaranteed to actively BE and PROMOTE violence.


Oh Grappler, you want to know why you are being "shrill"? Lets start with this absurd accusation of "violence" against men. What utter nonsense to describe a sore ego and a bit of  preciousness in these terms. How many men have died just this week as a result of this "violence" by women? How many this year? Does it beat the 62 women hmm? Wow what an absolute insult, to actually use that term "violence", when we have an actual epidemic of violence, where real people actually die, in the opposite direction.

You want more "shrill" - we could talk about hysterical terms like the "destruction of our society", and just rub more salt into the wounds of real victims by saying "the very real loss of rights". Really grappler? 62 people, just this year, have lost their right to not be murdered. And you have the spunk to frame this more as a loss of men's rights? Shame on you.

Oh, and in case you're still confused about demeaning women - describing some tin-foil hat conspiracy to wage "violence" against all men by some dastardly group you call "labor sheilas", is pretty much right on the money. Not to mention this whole "~2 violent deaths a week doesn't matter because its really some femi-nazi conspiracy against men" theme
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Reply #69 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:26pm
 
gandalf wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:50am:
Oh Grappler, you want to know why you are being "shrill"? Lets start with this absurd accusation of "violence" against men. What utter nonsense to describe a sore ego and a bit of  preciousness in these terms. How many men have died just this week as a result of this "violence" by women? How many this year? Does it beat the 62 women hmm? Wow what an absolute insult, to actually use that term "violence", when we have an actual epidemic of violence, where real people actually die, in the opposite direction.

You want more "shrill" - we could talk about hysterical terms like the "destruction of our society", and just rub more salt into the wounds of real victims by saying "the very real loss of rights". Really grappler? 62 people, just this year, have lost their right to not be murdered. And you have the spunk to frame this more as a loss of men's rights? Shame on you.

Oh, and in case you're still confused about demeaning women - describing some tin-foil hat conspiracy to wage "violence" against all men by some dastardly group you call "labor sheilas", is pretty much right on the money. Not to mention this whole "~2 violent deaths a week doesn't matter because its really some femi-nazi conspiracy against men" theme


You have no idea, do you? 

What part of unwarranted complaint leading to official intervention leading to court sanction leading to conviction as a criminal do you no understand as being violence direct sponsored and promoted by the State?

What part of the fundamental right to go about your peaceful life without the state intervening in such a violent manner being abrogated do you not understand?

The right to not be killed that you mention is all well and good for law-abiding people, but like all rights is impossible to uphold in every instance - once again - what is your solution to the issues of totally separate and totally different incidents occurring in society?  Again emotive rhetoric without any suggestion of how to rectify it.  You are being hysterical again.

Nobody is 'rubbing the salt into the wounds of real victims' - real victims have every effort of the law behind them, and MEN-dominated society punishes them ruthlessly, and you are now discussing those who choose to be victims in their own mind without reference to fact.  You need desperately to get out more away from your mama's knee.  What possible connection could there be between some drunk sheila throwing a tizz and getting upset and a real victim of real and provable violence? Are you suggesting they are one and the same and that all women are victims all the time? You really are a dreamer duped by feminist propaganda and a calculated campaign - and deliberately so.

Are you suggesting we should move instantly to the scenario in 'Minority Report' where a person can be imprisoned and even executed because he/she MIGHT do something in the future, based on a subjective prescient reading of three persons?

You seriously imagine for one moment that the only 'solution' of feminist-dominated Labor at this time, being more and more draconian legislation to control men under any circumstances - is NOT violence?  You're being hysterical again, and it is you who need to remove your tinfoil hat and your blinkers.

Try reading up on feminist literature - all women are victims by being women in a male-dominated society; all women are subject to a culture of rape and of fear of rape (you can see that every time they go out and get pissed); men are the oppressor; the oppressor has no rights; removal of rights of the oppressor is a valid force in society; men should be kept on a tight rein and only allowed out for breeding purposes ...... that kind of paranoid fantasy is what pervades and dominates feminist and eunuch thinking.

You Stalinist Fascist thinking needs some very careful work, son.... in this country we don't have the Commissars or the Gestapo going around and arbitrarily arresting and executing people..... but what you and your kind are demanding - without offering a single valid approach to the issues, BTW - is exactly that, with a mere difference in degree and not kind.

Keep trying - you cannot win the reality stakes with this one, not when you choose to be blind.


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Now come on, Gandalf - try to get real for a change and actually answer the question instead of lobbing your puerile jibes at me - I can slice and dice you all day, but to no avail if you will not address the issue:-

WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO PREVENT THE KIND OF INCIDENTS THAT LEAD TO SIX TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEATHS SEPARATED BY HUNDREDS AND SOMETIMES THOUSANDS OF MILES ACROSS VARIOUS STATES OF AUSTRALIA?  HOW WOULD YOU HAVE PREVENTED THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING?

You apologists for rape of rights have not one weapon of reason in your armoury - just repeating over and over the same old personal jibes at the more learned and erudite messenger.

Now answer the question if you dare - WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

cods?  Greg?  You're welcome to contribute in class as well.... after all, you three know all the answers.... so please - enlighten us all!!
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:18am:
ods wrote Today at 7:41am:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 8:14pm:
cods wrote Yesterday at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... 

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man....   


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.


Not my fault you don't understand history and politics... and the actual functioning of violence in a society and what violence is....

Simple question:-  What is your solution to these totally separate and widespread acts of violence?

Two questions:-  What exactly is it you want Canberra to do? 

Not hard, really - what is your plan to resolve these issues, cods - other than criticise me for asking and explaining a few possibilities to you...  very sensible of me....

I know - let's go for the Labor sheila's way:-




   seriously i still dont understand a word you say

maybe you had better stick with gandy  he has better luck than I...

as it is you appear to believe unless the 6 deaths all took place in the one state at the same time..

there really is so little to talk about.. Sad

yet any thread on women being attacked and murdered,in you come to fight for the males you believe are killed but ignored....

did you say there are no women in jails for murdering male partners???????....I cant remember  Roll Eyes Roll Eyesits pretty much what you believe...

you know there are a lot of tv shows on right now   with husbands who kill their wives and pretend to the world they ran off with a lover  leaving their beloved child or children behind.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its true!  some of these guys have actually got away with their crime for 30 odd years... Angry Angry

for the life of me I cannot recall one case where a women has been arrested 30 years later charged with murdering her husband....

women do not tend to murder then bury or chop the body up so it can be discarded nice and easy......then move the boyfriend into the house and carry on as if nothing had happened....


I would like to see for a start

when anyone!  and that goes for both sexes break and AVO or DVO rules.......they go to jail... no second chances....

unless these DVOs have teeth they are a complete waste of time...

every case where a person is being threatened must be taken seriously by the Police....

no one should live in fear...because of some madman...

not just  Pollies like SHY.. Angry

I am very angry about that!...one law for them and one for the rest of us.......no thanks..

the person arrested for the murder of Kirstie   does in fact have a police record.....

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so whats your solution grap??.. give up because we cant save them all?


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I am responding to you grap....


so what would you do...\\


give up?? because its all too hard..

and these murders dont take place in one spot...???



seriously!!!!  thats paramount for you!

unbelievable.. Angry
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Reply #73 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:32pm
 
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO PREVENT THE KIND OF INCIDENTS THAT LEAD TO SIX TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEATHS SEPARATED BY HUNDREDS AND SOMETIMES THOUSANDS OF MILES ACROSS VARIOUS STATES OF AUSTRALIA?  HOW WOULD YOU HAVE PREVENTED THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING?

No suggestion that I thought they were all in one state, cods.

I can see no valid solution to these problems, without our legislators bringing in absolute arbitrary arrest and imprisonment on any suspicion - which they emphatically cannot do.  Labor carrying on about it is as real as their carrying on about the mythical wage gap - there is no real answer, short of making vastly unequal treatment of groups in this nation.

GregPec said 'education', but when asked, would not elaborate....

And I'm not fighting for the men killed and ignored - that goes without saying and is a simple statement of reality - I'm defending this society against the encroachment of despotic government governed by Stalinist/Fascist non-reasoning .... and asking those who actively seek total control by government what their solution is to the problems raised.

I can't get an answer - so I'll go to Bro Shortenski when I get back from the doc's (again) - only a minor non-virulent leukemia, very common in my age group and not a problem (just a specific kind of blood cell cloning itself a little) from the haematologists - still waiting for one of those docs to say 'Gulf War Syndrome' or similar... but I won't lead them....
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Reply #74 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:38pm
 
In cases where the guy (or woman) is a clear nutter - certainly steps should be taken in advance - and once could be - blame the Carr 'government' for selling off the mental homes....

The guy in Wollongong carried a knife and was a known nutter...  like Rosie's old man who killed their son ..... these were preventable by using the now-near-defunct Mental Health Act(s), and that they were not is a clear dereliction of duty by the State.

Where there is a proven history of GENUINE violence - and that is becoming more and more the kicker even with cops, who, in NSW are called out to hundreds of thousands of complaints and only around 5-6% end up in court - some action should be taken....and that would have to depend on the level of violence that has occurred and been proven - not just some vague guess of what might be ....

Our legal system does not permit the State to intrude with violence without proper cause - and nor should it or ever be allowed to do so.

As for the rest - you cannot stop random and unexpected attacks.... they happen.. and no amount of 'education' and such will change that.
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Reply #75 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:20pm
 
YOU CAN SEE NO SOLUTION..

case closed.... grap cant see any solution to partner murdering 

so lets shut the topic down   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

good one grap.. dont like the topic!!dont get the answers you want!.. go play somewhere else..

you cant complain about others stuffing up threads with pointless rubbish when you do it yourself..

most murderers do not walk around with a sign saying I am going to kill someone very soon..

do you think by any chance if those issued with DVOs  were sent to jail when they break the smallest rules of said DVO... Angry Angry Angry

maybe even have some form of counselling in their   psychiatric help......anger management anything at all that would maybe make them think twice before they are let out......

lets say six months for breaking the rules.....

when they come out   curfew rules apply maybe even an ankle bracelet....

you talk about mental cases.... which i s a whole different ball park.....

these are mostly men that sit next to you on a bus or in a cafe look as normal as you do....the women  can be frozen with fear  and not talk about what they live with....perhaps hoping he will be hit by a bus.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

all laws regarding stalking DV.   should apply to every STATE  the fact we have different laws in each state  is bizarre.....women living in fear and in so many cases children.....  involves us all... not just when it happens in the State you live in..
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Reply #76 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:22pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:47pm:
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO PREVENT THE KIND OF INCIDENTS THAT LEAD TO SIX TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEATHS SEPARATED BY HUNDREDS AND SOMETIMES THOUSANDS OF MILES ACROSS VARIOUS STATES OF AUSTRALIA?  HOW WOULD YOU HAVE PREVENTED THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING?


ok, so I've gone back over all your posts in this thread to get a better sense of what you are actually arguing. I've come up with a summary of sorts:

- murder is rare, so its not that big a deal
- why focus on these particular types of murders, when murder is murder?
- how can you possibly prevent these types of murders anyway?
- your only solution is to continue the outrageous "violence" against men (and then segue into rant mode about the femi-nazi conspiracy against men)

So basically, you have a two-pronged attack here - firstly you relativise and diminish the real crisis of deaths due to DV and argue that its just not a big deal, and secondly create a strawman that our "solution" is to simply use this as an opportunity to further victimise men. Basically your whole modus operandi here is to take every opportunity to rant against women.

My solution? I made it pretty clear in my first post on this topic that the key problem was the 'vibe' of disrespect and outright hatred of women that emanates precisely from the sorts attitudes and language that you yourself express. We need to deal with these toxic attitudes in order to foster a make a less misogynistic society. Of course most men who hold these attitudes are not themselves rapists and murderers, however its my belief that its the culture of misogyny that they play a large role in creating, that gives succor to the actual rapists and murderers. I don't believe, as you seem to, that a ~bi-weekly rate of DV murder rate is completely random cannot possibly be traced to anything inherent in our society or culture.

You ask for my solution, I say educate boys at a young age not to disrespect women. No need for any "violence" against men (whatever that actually means).

In any case, to someone for whom insulting and disrespecting women seems to come so naturally and instinctively, I'm not expecting my argument to hold any sort of sway.
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Reply #77 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:42pm
 
WELL said gandy well said..

I am glad someone makes sense of graps ..arguments...

do you think we should get back to using words like

respect
empathy
good manners..

in schools I mean... a bit late for some of us.. Wink

funny thing I still have a grandson in primary  and when I think about it.. I have sat with almost all my grandkids and done their spelling bee homework..

and never once do I recall any of those words being on their lists.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..


parents are far to busy today to pay attention to their kids...

now thats how it is in 2018....

both work come home tired.. what the hell .. watch tele.... they spend half the money on buying kids gadgets to keep them quiet...the latest gaming fortnight   is killing and celebrated by  dancing I believe.

but what the heck! it keeps them quiet.. Sad

gandy it is a battle ground for sure   but bring back the basics  respect for each other  right from kindy...parents need to be reminded  that we need more than the 3 Rs.. to get us through life.
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Reply #78 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:48pm
 
gandalf wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 3:24pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:37am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 11:02am:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 10:47am:
Well for me, I just don't rape and/or murder.

It's really not that difficult.



So you advocate that all other men - obviously a lower breed - should be taught not to rape and murder?

Rape is THE lowest incidence non-lethal crime and murder even lower  - tell me your solution.....

Demonise all men except your group, who are obviously above suspicion..

That's what it sounds like, Grigor... classical elitist nonsense.... if I want that kind of thinking, I need only look at Pauline Hanson.... 'I'm a self-made business woman who did it all myself, and all you unemployed etc out there are just leaners!'


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mainly the men who are doing all the raping and killing, isn't it?

Nobody had to teach me not to rape and murder, by the way - it's just not something I've ever considered doing.

I don't know, I'm just funny like that.





If you look at society as a whole - men are killed by violent acts more than women, and men do predominate in both the killing and the raping.

My question is how are you to go about 'teaching' men not to rape and murder, since those who will do so will not be taught anyway - and when you say 'men' - you include all men except yourself, who you say does not need teaching those things.

How are you going to sort out who needs it and who doesn't?  Other than on the purely self-reporting basis you apply to yourself?

Wait for the Labor sheilas to get hold of the reins - and see what happens then... more monstering of countless men in the fervent and futile hope that by doing so, a few bad ones might be caught or prevented - meanwhile your very actions in monstering more and more men is itself unwarranted violence and thus adds fuel to the fire, as well as encouraging false complaints from women, and creating an inevitable response from many of those afflicted men.

Inflicting violence on an entire social group as a means of seeking to control wrongful behaviour of a few within that group has never worked yet... and leads to retaliation in every way.

So - I ask again - what is your solution... not just your personal pious anecdote.  Why would you begin to imagine that under such 'laws', you will not be targeted at random in this ongoing campaign of terror??

Being a self-proclaimed 'good guy' never saved a single victim of any holocaust.....


Grappler mostly your posts are pretty mundane, nothing out of the ordinary standard sentiments. But I have noticed when it comes to topics about women and sexism/misogyny, you suddenly get quite shrill. Who knows, maybe you had some bad personal experience with a divorce, I don't know, and I don't want to know.

Your sentiments about women are pretty emblematic of the problem our society faces on the issue of women: male victimhood, always assuming sinister intentions on the part of women, subtly denigrating women etc. The way I see it, a problem like violence against women has two components: 1. the very small number of actual offenders/potential offenders and 2. a significantly larger population of enablers - those men (and possibly some women) who put on this "nothing to see here folks - why are you so mean to men!!??" routine - exactly like you are doing now. These people create a sort of 'vibe' that instills into the sub-conscious of society the idea that misogyny and its logical extension - violence against women - is maybe not so bad. This is the fuel that the actual offenders need to offend.


male victimhood?  Grin

As for the rest .... perrlease.
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Reply #79 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:18am:
ods wrote Today at 7:41am:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 8:14pm:
cods wrote Yesterday at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... 

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man....   


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.


Not my fault you don't understand history and politics... and the actual functioning of violence in a society and what violence is....

Simple question:-  What is your solution to these totally separate and widespread acts of violence?

Two questions:-  What exactly is it you want Canberra to do? 

Not hard, really - what is your plan to resolve these issues, cods - other than criticise me for asking and explaining a few possibilities to you...  very sensible of me....

I know - let's go for the Labor sheila's way:-




   seriously i still dont understand a word you say

maybe you had better stick with gandy  he has better luck than I...

as it is you appear to believe unless the 6 deaths all took place in the one state at the same time..

there really is so little to talk about.. Sad

yet any thread on women being attacked and murdered,in you come to fight for the males you believe are killed but ignored....

did you say there are no women in jails for murdering male partners???????....I cant remember  Roll Eyes Roll Eyesits pretty much what you believe...

you know there are a lot of tv shows on right now   with husbands who kill their wives and pretend to the world they ran off with a lover  leaving their beloved child or children behind.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its true!  some of these guys have actually got away with their crime for 30 odd years... Angry Angry

for the life of me I cannot recall one case where a women has been arrested 30 years later charged with murdering her husband....

women do not tend to murder then bury or chop the body up so it can be discarded nice and easy......then move the boyfriend into the house and carry on as if nothing had happened....


I would like to see for a start

when anyone!  and that goes for both sexes break and AVO or DVO rules.......they go to jail... no second chances....

unless these DVOs have teeth they are a complete waste of time...

every case where a person is being threatened must be taken seriously by the Police....

no one should live in fear...because of some madman...

not just  Pollies like SHY.. Angry

I am very angry about that!...one law for them and one for the rest of us.......no thanks..

the person arrested for the murder of Kirstie   does in fact have a police record.....

Quote:
He was arrested on outstanding warrants for multiple alleged offences, including fraud, resisting an officer, possess prohibited drug and custody of a knife in a public place.





so whats your solution grap??.. give up because we cant save them all?




Answer his question Cods .... what are your suggestions as to how this problem can be solved.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #80 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:20pm:
YOU CAN SEE NO SOLUTION..

case closed.... grap cant see any solution to partner murdering 


so lets shut the topic down   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

good one grap.. dont like the topic!!dont get the answers you want!.. go play somewhere else..

you cant complain about others stuffing up threads with pointless rubbish when you do it yourself..

most murderers do not walk around with a sign saying I am going to kill someone very soon..

do you think by any chance if those issued with DVOs  were sent to jail when they break the smallest rules of said DVO... Angry Angry Angry

maybe even have some form of counselling in their   psychiatric help......anger management anything at all that would maybe make them think twice before they are let out......

lets say six months for breaking the rules.....

when they come out   curfew rules apply maybe even an ankle bracelet....

you talk about mental cases.... which i s a whole different ball park.....

these are mostly men that sit next to you on a bus or in a cafe look as normal as you do....the women  can be frozen with fear  and not talk about what they live with....perhaps hoping he will be hit by a bus.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

all laws regarding stalking DV.   should apply to every STATE  the fact we have different laws in each state  is bizarre.....women living in fear and in so many cases children.....  involves us all... not just when it happens in the State you live in..


For petes sake Cods ... neither can you.

You put it up for discussion ... intimate it's a problem Canberra should solve ...

Grapp makes a few points & asks you a few questions ..

what's he get accusations that he's probably a butt hurt misogynist who had a bad divorce experience
and he's playing the male victimhood card....

and being shrill Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So far all you've done is paint it as a man bash & all men are violent & rapists.

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Reply #81 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:09pm
 
gandalf wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:47pm:
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO PREVENT THE KIND OF INCIDENTS THAT LEAD TO SIX TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEATHS SEPARATED BY HUNDREDS AND SOMETIMES THOUSANDS OF MILES ACROSS VARIOUS STATES OF AUSTRALIA?  HOW WOULD YOU HAVE PREVENTED THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING?


ok, so I've gone back over all your posts in this thread to get a better sense of what you are actually arguing. I've come up with a summary of sorts:

- murder is rare, so its not that big a deal
- why focus on these particular types of murders, when murder is murder?
- how can you possibly prevent these types of murders anyway?
- your only solution is to continue the outrageous "violence" against men (and then segue into rant mode about the femi-nazi conspiracy against men)

So basically, you have a two-pronged attack here - firstly you relativise and diminish the real crisis of deaths due to DV and argue that its just not a big deal, and secondly create a strawman that our "solution" is to simply use this as an opportunity to further victimise men. Basically your whole modus operandi here is to take every opportunity to rant against women.

My solution? I made it pretty clear in my first post on this topic that the key problem was the 'vibe' of disrespect and outright hatred of women that emanates precisely from the sorts attitudes and language that you yourself express. We need to deal with these toxic attitudes in order to foster a make a less misogynistic society. Of course most men who hold these attitudes are not themselves rapists and murderers, however its my belief that its the culture of misogyny that they play a large role in creating, that gives succor to the actual rapists and murderers. I don't believe, as you seem to, that a ~bi-weekly rate of DV murder rate is completely random cannot possibly be traced to anything inherent in our society or culture.

You ask for my solution, I say educate boys at a young age not to disrespect women. No need for any "violence" against men (whatever that actually means).

In any case, to someone for whom insulting and disrespecting women seems to come so naturally and instinctively, I'm not expecting my argument to hold any sort of sway.


Yeah yeah  ... just like your only white people are racist. Roll Eyes

As for "teaching boys at a young age to respect women" .....why do you think that has not always been happening?

Anyway your solution is in full force isn't it?

They aren't young boys anymore ... they're gender neutral ... or you're dressing them in frocks..... no?

Problem solved.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.
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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.



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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.
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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.

Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire come to mind.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?
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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.


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Gnads wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:18am:
ods wrote Today at 7:41am:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 8:14pm:
cods wrote Yesterday at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... 

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man....   


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.


Not my fault you don't understand history and politics... and the actual functioning of violence in a society and what violence is....

Simple question:-  What is your solution to these totally separate and widespread acts of violence?

Two questions:-  What exactly is it you want Canberra to do? 

Not hard, really - what is your plan to resolve these issues, cods - other than criticise me for asking and explaining a few possibilities to you...  very sensible of me....

I know - let's go for the Labor sheila's way:-




   seriously i still dont understand a word you say

maybe you had better stick with gandy  he has better luck than I...

as it is you appear to believe unless the 6 deaths all took place in the one state at the same time..

there really is so little to talk about.. Sad

yet any thread on women being attacked and murdered,in you come to fight for the males you believe are killed but ignored....

did you say there are no women in jails for murdering male partners???????....I cant remember  Roll Eyes Roll Eyesits pretty much what you believe...

you know there are a lot of tv shows on right now   with husbands who kill their wives and pretend to the world they ran off with a lover  leaving their beloved child or children behind.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its true!  some of these guys have actually got away with their crime for 30 odd years... Angry Angry

for the life of me I cannot recall one case where a women has been arrested 30 years later charged with murdering her husband....

women do not tend to murder then bury or chop the body up so it can be discarded nice and easy......then move the boyfriend into the house and carry on as if nothing had happened....


I would like to see for a start

when anyone!  and that goes for both sexes break and AVO or DVO rules.......they go to jail... no second chances....

unless these DVOs have teeth they are a complete waste of time...

every case where a person is being threatened must be taken seriously by the Police....

no one should live in fear...because of some madman...

not just  Pollies like SHY.. Angry

I am very angry about that!...one law for them and one for the rest of us.......no thanks..

the person arrested for the murder of Kirstie   does in fact have a police record.....

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He was arrested on outstanding warrants for multiple alleged offences, including fraud, resisting an officer, possess prohibited drug and custody of a knife in a public place.





so whats your solution grap??.. give up because we cant save them all?




Answer his question Cods .... what are your suggestions as to how this problem can be solved.  Roll Eyes



perhaps if you read the thread  before you stick your head in the noose...  you would see I have tried my best to get through to grap...he has spent two days admonising anyone and everyone...... and thinks the whole thing is a waste of time....

try seeing my points in post 71.75.77...

you agree with grap    6 murders in six States  why b other???>> Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I too have asked grapo for answers I am still waiting...you dont mention that though do you pet?..

here I will ask one again..
ok grap  what

VIOLENCE IS THE GOVT RESPONSIBLE FOR???

in the context of this thread..

if you can answer without all the waffle I would be grateful   or maybe gnad will translate for me..


as you can see the thread is being taken off topic  by the usual suspects...sadly! Angry

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THIS ISNT ABOUT AMERICA....

THERE ARE ABOUT 50 THREADS ON AMERICA... GO THERE...

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Dear cods, dear cods - the government is responsible for creating a climate of violence with its application of DVOs and AVOs - when you start off by implying that any disagreement between a man and a woman is an act of violence on one part but not the other - an implication inherent in the use of 'violence' in those things regardless of the facts involved in any issue.... you are directly responsible for EVERYONE subjected to that distortion of English language accepting that it DOES involve violence.... when you then permit those with a special interest in doing so - namely the 'domestic violence advocacy service' and other feminist-related groups - to continually extend the 'definition' of 'violence* until it becomes absurd and (conveniently) becomes anything that someone claims to 'feel' - you are destroying any chance of resolution of issues, and are escalating the intervention by the State on ANY complaint = State Violence Direct without proper legal cause.

Ergo - you yourself (the government in this case) are perpetrating and extending violence as the chosen means to resolve issues of 'feelings' of remotely (in most cases) violence.**

My initial suggestion to the 'law reform commission' (it is anything but - it is a tool for imposing government control) was that any 'orders' given by a court IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY PROVEN VIOLENCE - should take in BOTH parties -and order both to keep the peace.

No way would they come at that - they wanted to create the illusion that relationship violence was exclusively a man v woman thing - then they sold that as being the 'first step' in resolving violence in society - and in twenty six years have never moved one step forward from that 'first step' - but rather have allowed it to be extended and extended until anything any woman feels is now sufficient reason for the state and its agencies to attack any man.

THIS is State violence and state-sponsored violence writ large..... and the final solution is always in such cases ....... the Final Solution..... do you imagine our politicians bent on a controlled society do not know that?  They know from history where that leads - and Russia with its 'equalisation of women' lead to a totally de-balled society totally under the sway of their government....and politicians are stupid... but not fools....


* Artificially extending the 'definition' of violence to suit special interest groups is like stretching a rubber band - you cans stretch it so many times and in so many ways - then it will break...  that is what has happened with 'domestic' and 'apprehended' violence.  then add that these are ONLY exercised in one direction - and you have designed a recipe for escalating violence.

** Is it any wonder then -the same as attempting to control bullying by bullying bullies - that everyone feels that violence is the way to resolve any issue?  Women use it, men use it, the cops use it, the courts use it - a never-ending downward spiral to hell.
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I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up

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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
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dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.
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Let me continue:-

Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.

That is the demand being put forward by the feminist lobbies - and Labor is currently over-run by feminists and their eunuch lap dogs ....

Why is it so hard for anyone to see that:-

a) Incarcerating anyone on any complaint without any reference to fact and reality, is itself the most gross violation of personal rights and civil liberties, and of Law?

b) Permitting such insane nonsense instantly hands to one specified party in any relationship (of any kind) absolute and total power and control of that relationship - a total abrogation of the nature of equality in marriage and relationships and of personal power in any relationship, not to mention a fair balance of power between two involved (alleged) adults?

c)  Such a stance is deliberately aimed at reducing the power of men specifically in relationships and in society by extension - thus working to prevent men as a group from opposing despotic government - and increasing government control over the individual, with the ultimate aim of reducing the individual to being a vassal of the state and subject to its every whim.**

d)  This is clearly a movement to promote women's total control over family, relationships, and thus  of society.*

* How 'men' could get onboard with this insanity is beyond me and will remain so... in the beginning they were sucked in by the belief that this would only apply to those who beat up their missus .. surely by now they know the truth..... it can be and is sued against any man on any complaint of any 'feeling' .... and when tyranny is upon the land, nobody is safe... even the suck-up sycophant eunuchs who support this insanity and help cause the ongoing violence  ......


** When they came for the men in their own homes, you said nothing - when they come for you - there will be nobody left to say anything.
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Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up



Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute.....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Black Orchid wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.


Yes they do/can, as a simple Google search shows.
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Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.


No, that is far too long a bow to draw. 

As it is, on the complaint of either spouse (yes more often than not it is the complaint of the female) the other spouse is at booted out of the home for at least the night.
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Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
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Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.


No, that is far too long a bow to draw. 

As it is, on the complaint of either spouse (yes more often than not it is the complaint of the female) the other spouse is at booted out of the home for at least the night.


Based on feminist ideology and observation of what occurs in the United States - what I pointed to is very much on the cards, given the relentless campaigning over 'violence'; and women's rights.

The artificial lumping of every issue of violence involving women under the roof of 'domestic violence' is a huge lie... a schoolgirl fighting with another girl at school is included.... apparently everything a female is involved in is 'domestic' - what a funny reflection on 60+ years of 'women's liberation' .....

Truly these people know not what their right or left hand is...... not where - what!
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Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
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Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.


No, that is far too long a bow to draw. 

As it is, on the complaint of either spouse (yes more often than not it is the complaint of the female) the other spouse is at booted out of the home for at least the night.


This is not a violent act?  An act of imposition?  An act of bullying?  An assertion that the individual has no rights but the state may intervene as it sees fit?

I'll try it again - in NSW 2012 - NSW police were called out to 300,000 complaints of 'domestic violence' - around 5% of those resulted in court action.....

So - let me get this straight - any time one adult (LMAO) in a relationship complains, the other must be forced out of his/her home without notice, and this is not an act of violence by the state??

Juden - RAUS!  Refuse and you will be arrested!!

I wonder truly about you people and your thinking at times....
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Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute..



i gather you find it hard to understand grap..

that we only really hear about the AVOs DVOs that go [b]BAD..[/b]

you and I would have no idea how many are issued

I agree totally they can be issued for crap...and NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.. ..

however  who are you to decide what is VIOLENT and what isnt???

a women can come out of an argument with her partner without a blemish on her.....that does not mean he has shown no violence in his threats and actions....they use words like I will kill you and the kids..

is that not violence in your book???...perhaps you have never had someone hold you up against a wall eyes two inches from your own  threatening to kill your kids.....knowing full well how capable they are of carrying out their threat..

I have mentioned what I would do about DVOs  but I guess you are not interested  so be it!
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I don't use your terminology, but yes by legislative act empowering police, a spouse can be rendered homeless for at least one night.
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Black Orchid wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
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dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.


Yes they do/can, as a simple Google search shows.


I know you love to jump onto my every post to try to criticise and/or refute but perhaps you should try a deeper Google search instead of always relying on the 'simple'.

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Black Orchid wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.


"Three states allow the gas chamber (Arizona, Missouri, Wyoming) and three other states allow hanging (Delaware, New Hampshire and Washington)."

Everything you need to know about executions in the United States

* not in Delaware since 2016.

New Hampshire and Washington, however, still have hanging as an option.

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Capital punishment is no longer used in the U.S. state of Delaware. The state's capital sentencing scheme was declared unconstitutional by the Delaware Supreme Court on August 2, 2016.[1] The ruling will retroactively apply to earlier death sentences

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And, more to the point, the two states with hanging still have rape, murder, and violent crime.

Moreover, Delaware still had rape, murder, and violent crime when they had hanging on the books.

So, as usual, Gobby is talking out of his ares.

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WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING AMERICA AND ITS LAWS OR LACK OF THEM IN A THREAD ABOUT AUSTRALIAN WOMEN BEING MURDERED???????./.



isnt there enough thread on AMERICA already?

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WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING AMERICA AND ITS LAWS OR LACK OF THEM IN A THREAD ABOUT AUSTRALIAN WOMEN BEING MURDERED???????./.



isnt there enough thread on AMERICA already?



Because Bobby says the solution is hanging.

He said, and I quote:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I'm using the US as an example to show him that countries (or states) that have hanging as an option for certain crimes, still have violence against women.

Thus, completely disproving his ridiculous argument.

I suppose I could have used Australia instead so, I will do so now.

Australia used hanging as a form of capital punishment up until 1967.

In all the time that this method of execution was legally available (and used), there were still incidents of violence against women.

Moreover, we still had rape, murder, and child molestation.

So, once again, I've shown Bobby's argument to be absolutely ridiculous.



 
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What is your program for resolving the issues surrounding violence, Greg... I know you're smart etc... this business of hanging is a serious sidetrack....

How would you resolve issues such as six murders in a week across several states and separated by thousands of miles and different in each case?

I can only offer an idea when it comes to clear nutters... and I blame government squarely for closing down the mental institutions .... the rest - well - nobody wakes up expecting to be murdered, and nobody knows when a random act is going to occur - if they did they could prevent it...

What is your solution to the problem of violence in society?  Education won't change those with any pre-disposition or learned behaviour - you can tell people at school times many how to behave - some will not comply anyway, and once they are in the big world, the number of possible life experiences that may alter their way of thinking is infinite....  Lips Sealed
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Reply #108 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:22pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up





Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute.....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You have oversimplified what I was saying.
Arguments take two people.
And you must admit, some women don't know when to let it go.

But if you read deeper into my post
I state that there is more than just "I hate you...thump"
Men are often under great pressure, in their jobs, trying to fit into an ever changing world we are not wired for.
Since we all climbed out of the trees
Men have been the protector and Hunter
Women have been the nurturer
Men fight
Women talk and manipulate

This is not meant to be insulting, it's simply the way it is.

This is why women make great middle managers, but are out of their depth in more physically demanding management roles.

Now the world is changing faster than many men can cope
Now it's all touchy feely
Must "talk" through our problems instead of fighting
No need to protect,
No need to hunt
Men start feeling worthless and have partners who are encroaching on their masculine domain.
They start to see, and are constantly told that women are equal.
So they start to treat them as they treat men.

If a bloke insults or assaults a man, he fights back.

Add the uselessness of the grubberment allowing work to disappear overseas
Throw in the gay driven drivel
Chuck a couple of dependents
A touch of grog
And you have a time bomb ticking away.

What I'm saying is that it's not only women who need support
Many men commit suicide, and they generally succeed
But support is not as available, and men are wired differently to see any deficiencies as an attack on their masculinity

Then they go home to a partner who insults them
What do you think will happen?

There will always be the dead beat who simply like beating women
Cowards who are not brave enough to take on a man
But these are fewer than the "movement of equality" would have us believe
Many men have just hit the wall, and have nowhere to turn.

As I said
We all just need to respect each other And grow up

This "ALL MEN ARE EVIL BASTARDS" cry coming from women isn't helping.

Tell someone they are bad often enough, and they become bad.
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Reply #109 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:25pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
What is your program for resolving the issues surrounding violence, Greg... I know you're smart etc... this business of hanging is a serious sidetrack....

How would you resolve issues such as six murders in a week across several states and separated by thousands of miles and different in each case?

I can only offer an idea when it comes to clear nutters... and I blame government squarely for closing down the mental institutions .... the rest - well - nobody wakes up expecting to be murdered, and nobody knows when a random act is going to occur - if they did they could prevent it...

What is your solution to the problem of violence in society?  Education won't change those with any pre-disposition or learned behaviour - you can tell people at school times many how to behave - some will not comply anyway, and once they are in the big world, the number of possible life experiences that may alter their way of thinking is infinite....  Lips Sealed


I don't have a solution.

Education and improved mental healthcare can't hurt, though.

What I do know, is this: capital punishment (i.e. more violence) doesn't help.


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Reply #110 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:30pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up





Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute.....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You have oversimplified what I was saying.
Arguments take two people.
And you must admit, some women don't know when to let it go.

But if you read deeper into my post
I state that there is more than just "I hate you...thump"
Men are often under great pressure, in their jobs, trying to fit into an ever changing world we are not wired for.
Since we all climbed out of the trees
Men have been the protector and Hunter
Women have been the nurturer
Men fight
Women talk and manipulate

This is not meant to be insulting, it's simply the way it is.

This is why women make great middle managers, but are out of their depth in more physically demanding management roles.

Now the world is changing faster than many men can cope
Now it's all touchy feely
Must "talk" through our problems instead of fighting
No need to protect,
No need to hunt
Men start feeling worthless and have partners who are encroaching on their masculine domain.
They start to see, and are constantly told that women are equal.
So they start to treat them as they treat men.

If a bloke insults or assaults a man, he fights back.

Add the uselessness of the grubberment allowing work to disappear overseas
Throw in the gay driven drivel
Chuck a couple of dependents
A touch of grog
And you have a time bomb ticking away.

What I'm saying is that it's not only women who need support
Many men commit suicide, and they generally succeed
But support is not as available, and men are wired differently to see any deficiencies as an attack on their masculinity

Then they go home to a partner who insults them
What do you think will happen?

There will always be the dead beat who simply like beating women
Cowards who are not brave enough to take on a man
But these are fewer than the "movement of equality" would have us believe
Many men have just hit the wall, and have nowhere to turn.

As I said
We all just need to respect each other And grow up

This "ALL MEN ARE EVIL BASTARDS" cry coming from women isn't helping.

Tell someone they are bad often enough, and they become bad.


Points taken...
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Reply #111 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?
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Reply #112 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
What is your program for resolving the issues surrounding violence, Greg... I know you're smart etc... this business of hanging is a serious sidetrack....

How would you resolve issues such as six murders in a week across several states and separated by thousands of miles and different in each case?

I can only offer an idea when it comes to clear nutters... and I blame government squarely for closing down the mental institutions .... the rest - well - nobody wakes up expecting to be murdered, and nobody knows when a random act is going to occur - if they did they could prevent it...

What is your solution to the problem of violence in society?  Education won't change those with any pre-disposition or learned behaviour - you can tell people at school times many how to behave - some will not comply anyway, and once they are in the big world, the number of possible life experiences that may alter their way of thinking is infinite....  Lips Sealed


I don't have a solution.

Education and improved mental healthcare can't hurt, though.

What I do know, is this: capital punishment (i.e. more violence) doesn't help.




I have to agree.... I long ago stated my reasons for not accepting capital punishment...

As for mental healthcare - Wade Frankim, The Strathfield Massacre guy who shot, from memory, seven women, would have been in a nut house without governments selling off those prime properties for filthy lucre.

...

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Reply #113 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1538980629/85#85 date=1539149545]

Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


Washington - 1994

There was violence against women in Washington up until, including, and after that year.


Delaware - 1996

There was violence against women in Delaware up until, including, and after that year.


New Hampshire - 1939

There was violence against women in New Hampshire up until, including, and after that year.


Bobby: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

Nope: three examples above that prove you wrong.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:43pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1538980629/85#85 date=1539149545]

Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


Washington - 1994

There was violence against women in Washington up until, including, and after that year.


Delaware - 1996

There was violence against women in Delaware up until, including, and after that year.


New Hampshire - 1939

There was violence against women in New Hampshire up until, including, and after that year.


Bobby: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

Nope: three examples above that prove you wrong.




It must have helped a bit?
Were the hangings like this one?
Did someone make a real theatrical speech?




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Reply #115 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


In Botswana, in May this year, Uyapo Poloko was hanged.

Nek minnut (August this year):

"The United Nations in Botswana in solidarity with the Government of Botswana, joins key stakeholders and society at large to condemn Gender-Based Violence(GBV), especially the increasing incidences of violence against women and children in public and private spheres."

Since the hanging, violence against women has increased.

How can that be, though?

Booby said: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging".


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It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.
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Reply #117 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll bever stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.


I reckon you are right and a spouse who is subject to DV ought to move on at the first sign and NOT fall for the grovelling apology.  Get out of harm's way.
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  Points taken..   


Please don't read me wrong
I have a wife and a couple of girl children, all of who I love deeply.
I am also very fortunate that my wife is sensible and we can talk through our issues.

Perhaps I am also a little more aware of the problems because of my education and training.

But I have seen it all go bad with friends and family because of pressures that have destroyed their relationships.

There is nothing on this earth sadder than watching the love of two people fail, not because of them, but because of the pressures of life.

Love should never fail we are all told
Happily ever after is a myth,
You love passionately in the early years.
You grow to know each other And find things you don't like
You try to change the other, while holding onto your own failings.

But suddenly, you begin to realize that the person you loved is changing.
Smart people, those who will have a long marriage, stop trying to change each other
Accepting the differences as we accept the little faults in our favourite things

In time you begin to love these little faults, because they make your partner who they are.
It is at this point you know what true love is.
Irrespective of all the faults, warts and grey hairs
That little woman is the love of your life.

Every time I see her, every time we hold hands, every time we pass each other And touch, only makes us love more.

Men and women are different
We can never be the same
We can never be the perfect image that the other wants
Trying to change men into pseudo women or women into pseudo men will bring no satisfaction or joy.

We must learn to embrace the differences
We must learn that we are different
Or the human race is doomed.
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Reply #119 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.
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Reply #120 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:00pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll bever stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.


I reckon you are right and a spouse who is subject to DV ought to move on at the first sign and NOT fall for the grovelling apology.  Get out of harm's way.



I agree 100%.
The woman staying in a relationship like that does so at her own risk.
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Reply #121 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:02pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Quote:
  Points taken..   


Please don't read me wrong
I have a wife and a couple of girl children, all of who I love deeply.
I am also very fortunate that my wife is sensible and we can talk through our issues.

Perhaps I am also a little more aware of the problems because of my education and training.

But I have seen it all go bad with friends and family because of pressures that have destroyed their relationships.

There is nothing on this earth sadder than watching the love of two people fail, not because of them, but because of the pressures of life.

Love should never fail we are all told
Happily ever after is a myth,
You love passionately in the early years.
You grow to know each other And find things you don't like
You try to change the other, while holding onto your own failings.

But suddenly, you begin to realize that the person you loved is changing.
Smart people, those who will have a long marriage, stop trying to change each other
Accepting the differences as we accept the little faults in our favourite things

In time you begin to love these little faults, because they make your partner who they are.
It is at this point you know what true love is.
Irrespective of all the faults, warts and grey hairs
That little woman is the love of your life.

Every time I see her, every time we hold hands, every time we pass each other And touch, only makes us love more.

Men and women are different
We can never be the same
We can never be the perfect image that the other wants
Trying to change men into pseudo women or women into pseudo men will bring no satisfaction or joy.

We must learn to embrace the differences
We must learn that we are different
Or the human race is doomed.



I try to deal with the over-riding issues of power, violence and its use as a tool for hegemony, the use of the law as a means of generating/continuing civil war by other means, and the blatant attempt by some to establish as near a controlled society as possible by bringing down our culture and the personal power of the individual.

I know that escapes many here - who imagine that because I oppose lies and propaganda, I am somehow in favour of some bashing some  - when a fair reading of what I post says the absolute opposite - I support no violence at all... bur rather warn against using violence as a means to control violence...

That's like the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbour to ensure peace in The Pacific.
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Reply #122 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll bever stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.


I reckon you are right and a spouse who is subject to DV ought to move on at the first sign and NOT fall for the grovelling apology.  Get out of harm's way.



I agree 100%.
The woman staying in a relationship like that does so at her own risk.


The person staying in a relationship like that does so at his/her own risk.

You are missing the dynamics of relationship violence and the realities of it.
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Reply #123 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


In Botswana, in May this year, Uyapo Poloko was hanged.

Nek minnut (August this year):

"The United Nations in Botswana in solidarity with the Government of Botswana, joins key stakeholders and society at large to condemn Gender-Based Violence(GBV), especially the increasing incidences of violence against women and children in public and private spheres."

Since the hanging, violence against women has increased.

How can that be, though?

Booby said: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging".



In Egypt, in August this year, Raza Rabie Kamal Abd Rabbo, Mohamed Ahmed El Sayed Hassan, Saad Gouda Mohamed Ali, Magdy Ahmed El Sayed Hassan and Mohamed Ibrahim Ali Mohamed Amara were all hanged.

Nek minnut (September this year):

In Egypt "...  violence against women, and child and forced marriage practices continue."

Someone's not getting the message, Bobby.

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Reply #124 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.



Do people really want justice? That's the BIG question.

We see and hear of judges letting off bad people and cry on an Internet forum or facebook and everyone is vocal through typing....yet when faced with reality they'll close their eyes at night and find something different to whinge about the next day. If all those thousands of people commenting etc wanted justice to be surved they would be following it up daily, marching on parliment, protesting the streets untill justice was served or their voice heard.....but who has the time for all of that? So we get what we get.

I've said it all my life...better to be prepared than to be surprised.
Learn defence. Learn to protect yourself and look after yourself because those thousand people that whinged after you died or your killer was let off didn't give a crap about you before your unfortunate event.
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Reply #125 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:10pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:03pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll bever stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.


I reckon you are right and a spouse who is subject to DV ought to move on at the first sign and NOT fall for the grovelling apology.  Get out of harm's way.



I agree 100%.
The woman staying in a relationship like that does so at her own risk.


The person staying in a relationship like that does so at his/her own risk.

You are missing the dynamics of relationship violence and the realities of it.



Yeah sorry for that.
Just trying not to upset the OP again because we've been told this thread is for the women being killed.
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Reply #126 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:19pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.



Do people really want justice? That's the BIG question.

We see and hear of judges letting off bad people and cry on an Internet forum or facebook and everyone is vocal through typing....yet when faced with reality they'll close their eyes at night and find something different to whinge about the next day. If all those thousands of people commenting etc wanted justice to be surved they would be following it up daily, marching on parliment, protesting the streets untill justice was served or their voice heard.....but who has the time for all of that? So we get what we get.

I've said it all my life...better to be prepared than to be surprised.
Learn defence. Learn to protect yourself and look after yourself because those thousand people that whinged after you died or your killer was let off didn't give a crap about you before your unfortunate event.



Learn defence?

Are you victim blaming because they don't have the skills of Bruce Lee?
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Reply #127 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.



Do people really want justice? That's the BIG question.

We see and hear of judges letting off bad people and cry on an Internet forum or facebook and everyone is vocal through typing....yet when faced with reality they'll close their eyes at night and find something different to whinge about the next day. If all those thousands of people commenting etc wanted justice to be surved they would be following it up daily, marching on parliment, protesting the streets untill justice was served or their voice heard.....but who has the time for all of that? So we get what we get.

I've said it all my life...better to be prepared than to be surprised.
Learn defence. Learn to protect yourself and look after yourself because those thousand people that whinged after you died or your killer was let off didn't give a crap about you before your unfortunate event.



Learn defence?

Are you victim blaming because they don't have the skills of Bruce Lee?



No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???
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Reply #128 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:35pm
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.



Do people really want justice? That's the BIG question.

We see and hear of judges letting off bad people and cry on an Internet forum or facebook and everyone is vocal through typing....yet when faced with reality they'll close their eyes at night and find something different to whinge about the next day. If all those thousands of people commenting etc wanted justice to be surved they would be following it up daily, marching on parliment, protesting the streets untill justice was served or their voice heard.....but who has the time for all of that? So we get what we get.

I've said it all my life...better to be prepared than to be surprised.
Learn defence. Learn to protect yourself and look after yourself because those thousand people that whinged after you died or your killer was let off didn't give a crap about you before your unfortunate event.



Learn defence?

Are you victim blaming because they don't have the skills of Bruce Lee?




Look....I don't know if your hanging retoric is serious...but get with reality. Hangings haven't, and will never happen in this modern Australia.
The last person we hanged was a good man....just pushed beyond the limit by a corrupt and illegal organisation, The ever corrupt Government.  Wink

So while it is real john wayne to say hang em (hell I say it)...it will never happen.
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Reply #129 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:39pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:19pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:08pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.



Do people really want justice? That's the BIG question.

We see and hear of judges letting off bad people and cry on an Internet forum or facebook and everyone is vocal through typing....yet when faced with reality they'll close their eyes at night and find something different to whinge about the next day. If all those thousands of people commenting etc wanted justice to be surved they would be following it up daily, marching on parliment, protesting the streets untill justice was served or their voice heard.....but who has the time for all of that? So we get what we get.

I've said it all my life...better to be prepared than to be surprised.
Learn defence. Learn to protect yourself and look after yourself because those thousand people that whinged after you died or your killer was let off didn't give a crap about you before your unfortunate event.



Learn defence?

Are you victim blaming because they don't have the skills of Bruce Lee?




Look....I don't know if your hanging retoric is serious...but get with reality. Hangings haven't, and will never happen in this modern Australia.
The last person we hanged was a good man....just pushed beyond the limit by a corrupt and illegal organisation, The ever corrupt Government.  Wink

So while it is real john wayne to say hang em (hell I say it)...it will never happen.


His obsession has nothing to do with justice, or punishment, or preventing crime.

He just likes to see men well hung (or is it 'hanged well'?).

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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???



It's time for some Bruce Lee:



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Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.


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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.





We've passed hanging now Greggy - it's about self defence now.
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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.





We've passed hanging now Greggy - it's about self defence now.


Good.

Your white flag has been accepted, and I've put the Vaseline back in the bathroom cabinet.

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Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???



It's time for some Bruce Lee:






So... you.. wan... to ... fight?  I'll tek yo on....



WA! K'arim'aska!!  Dai Ichi!!  Bruce Lee Numbah One!!
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Reply #135 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:42pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.





We've passed hanging now Greggy - it's about self defence now.


Good.

Your white flag has been accepted, and I've put the Vaseline back in the bathroom cabinet.




Don't lower the conversation to the gutter, Greg - we were making some progress on the conundra about violence in society...
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I trust this is just as amusing for you..

[urlhttps://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/woman-stabbed-to-death-on-grahame-avenue-glenfield/news-story/ed3f761351b9653f76b0870044cb44db][/url]
A MAN has been arrested after a woman was stabbed to death in home in southwest Sydney.

Emergency services found the 43-year-old woman with stab wounds at the home on Grahame Avenue, Glenfield.

Police were called to the home at 2am this morning. The woman was treated by paramedics but died at the scene.

It is understood the incident is domestic related.

A 58-year-old man at the home was arrested and taken to Campbelltown Police Station.

A crime scene has been established, with detectives from Campbelltown Command on site.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/final-footage-of-woman-found-dumped-i...

ON September 28, she sent her family a selfie from Maroubra in Sydney’s east.

On September 30, CCTV captured her smiling as she passed through Opal barriers in a CBD train station.

By October 3 — last Wednesday — Nicole Cartwright was dead.

The discovery of the 32-year-old bound, dumped and covered in leaves beside a playground in Sydney’s inner north has sparked a sweeping murder investigation.

Homicide specialists announced yesterday they were painstakingly combing over where Ms Cartwright went, what she did and — most ­importantly — who she met, in her last three days.

They want to understand how the “free-spirited” woman from Lansvale in Sydney’s west, who frequently called in on friends across the city and eastern suburbs, wound up dead in a park in the affluent suburb of Hunters Hill.

“We’re seeking to fill the gap between the 30th of September and the 3rd October,” Homicide Squad commander Detective Superintendent Scott Cook said.

“It’s quite possible she was placed there (in the park) on the 2nd or quite early on the 3rd.

“She was bound with her hands in front of her body and she was dressed in the same clothing, or similar to, what she was wearing on the 30th.”


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Reply #137 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:36am
 
change of pace guys.. this one didnt actually kill her.


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/stgeorge-shire-standard/sydney-man-c...

A MAN accused of repeatedly bashing his girlfriend allegedly told police she was not in his southern Sydney apartment before officers entered and found the young woman cowering in his bedroom.

Benjamin Goddard, 28, pleaded not guilty to charges of common assault and assault causing actual bodily harm after an alleged incident at his Sutherland unit on Monday night.

Police say they received an anonymous phone call reporting a domestic dispute just before 7.30pm on October 8.
According to the police statement of facts tendered in court, Goddard’s former girlfriend allegedly attended his unit to collect some of her possessions before she was struck in the jaw with an object while her back was turned.

Reading from the facts, the magistrate said “blood dripped from (the victim’s) mouth into her hands” immediately after the first alleged strike.

Photographs of the woman tendered to the court allegedly show her jaw “appears to be out of line”, and “three distinct marks on her oesophagus”.

Goddard has been refused bail and will return to Sutherland Local Court on Friday.

When police attended Goddard’s apartment he allegedly denied his girlfriend was there before officers entered the premises and found her in his bedroom “concealing herself beneath pillows and blankets with fresh injuries”.

The woman is yet to provide police with a statement as she allegedly told officers she feared she “would be killed” if she spoke out, according to the facts.

Goddard’s lawyer told the court he had been employed part-time for the past three months and picked up work through Airtasker, a site where users can outsource tasks to other community members.



at least he has been refused bail...
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/man-fatally-stabbed-in-blacktown/news...

A MAN has been fatally stabbed after a confrontation at a Blacktown property in Sydney’s west.

A 50-year-old woman, who police say was known to the man, has been arrested following the incident on Meroo St, about 5.15pm today.

Officers performed CPR on the man, aged in his 40s, until paramedics arrived, but, he died at the scene.

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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.





We've passed hanging now Greggy - it's about self defence now.


Good.

Your white flag has been accepted, and I've put the Vaseline back in the bathroom cabinet.




Don't lower the conversation to the gutter, Greg - we were making some progress on the conundra about violence in society...



Greggy can't resist his homosexual comments.
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Reply #140 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:11am
 
cods, the ONLY solution to this is that teenage boys need to be raised to aspire to a noble form of masculinity that is about taking responsibility for the protection of others.

men are by nature more disagreeable then women
men are by nature more prone to impulsivity and aggression.
we only need to look at the prison system to see that the vast majority of those in the system are men.

if you want men to behave properly , you have to give them a heroic path to aspire to.

men were quite willing to go to war and die for the gratitude and adulation they recieved as following a heroic path, so men will do very very difficult things IF THEY SEE SOCIETY  acknowledges and praises and is reverant to their actions.

if you want men to behave a certain way you are NEVER going to get that outcome by hating on men, putting men down, making men feel bad about themselves, making men feel ashamed of being men.
that path will lead to nihilism resentment and i would advice no one to follow it.

if you want men to go down a more noble path then it will occur when we use the carrot , not the stick.

the overwhelmingly feminine education system needs to stop trying to raise little boys like little girls and find every way to praise little boys and make then the heroic figures of the school.

suspending them for acting out, shaming them, sending them to psycholgists like they are a 10 yo nutcase is just counterproductive.

the feminine has to start treating men like heroes and work out what heroic behaviour is and then glorifying men.
heres a thought, when the school has a working bee, instead of just ignoring those good men who turn up, have a ceremony where all the women put the men up on a dais and give them a medal ( or a six pack) and then clap like crazy and then their wives go home and give them some hot sex.

you start doing that instead of posting endless stories to make men feel bad about themselves and you will completely change the dynamic and rid the world of violence
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Reply #141 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:56am
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???



It's time for some Bruce Lee:






Bruce Lee was very good at his art. Just like all famous well respected artists.
You probably believe he played ping pong and lit matches with nunchucks too.  Grin

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yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....
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cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?

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Reply #144 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:36am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



Well, for starters, everyone thinks they have to have a 4 bedroom/2 bathroom house with a games room and study, and a double garage with 2 brand new cars in it.

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cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:18am:
ods wrote Today at 7:41am:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 8:14pm:
cods wrote Yesterday at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... 

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man....   


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.


Not my fault you don't understand history and politics... and the actual functioning of violence in a society and what violence is....

Simple question:-  What is your solution to these totally separate and widespread acts of violence?

Two questions:-  What exactly is it you want Canberra to do? 

Not hard, really - what is your plan to resolve these issues, cods - other than criticise me for asking and explaining a few possibilities to you...  very sensible of me....

I know - let's go for the Labor sheila's way:-




   seriously i still dont understand a word you say

maybe you had better stick with gandy  he has better luck than I...

as it is you appear to believe unless the 6 deaths all took place in the one state at the same time..

there really is so little to talk about.. Sad

yet any thread on women being attacked and murdered,in you come to fight for the males you believe are killed but ignored....

did you say there are no women in jails for murdering male partners???????....I cant remember  Roll Eyes Roll Eyesits pretty much what you believe...

you know there are a lot of tv shows on right now   with husbands who kill their wives and pretend to the world they ran off with a lover  leaving their beloved child or children behind.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its true!  some of these guys have actually got away with their crime for 30 odd years... Angry Angry

for the life of me I cannot recall one case where a women has been arrested 30 years later charged with murdering her husband....

women do not tend to murder then bury or chop the body up so it can be discarded nice and easy......then move the boyfriend into the house and carry on as if nothing had happened....


I would like to see for a start

when anyone!  and that goes for both sexes break and AVO or DVO rules.......they go to jail... no second chances....

unless these DVOs have teeth they are a complete waste of time...

every case where a person is being threatened must be taken seriously by the Police....

no one should live in fear...because of some madman...

not just  Pollies like SHY.. Angry

I am very angry about that!...one law for them and one for the rest of us.......no thanks..

the person arrested for the murder of Kirstie   does in fact have a police record.....

Quote:
He was arrested on outstanding warrants for multiple alleged offences, including fraud, resisting an officer, possess prohibited drug and custody of a knife in a public place.





so whats your solution grap??.. give up because we cant save them all?




Answer his question Cods .... what are your suggestions as to how this problem can be solved.  Roll Eyes



perhaps if you read the thread  before you stick your head in the noose...  you would see I have tried my best to get through to grap...he has spent two days admonising anyone and everyone...... and thinks the whole thing is a waste of time....

try seeing my points in post 71.75.77...

you agree with grap    6 murders in six States  why b other???>> Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I too have asked grapo for answers I am still waiting...you dont mention that though do you pet?..

here I will ask one again..
ok grap  what

VIOLENCE IS THE GOVT RESPONSIBLE FOR???

in the context of this thread..

if you can answer without all the waffle I would be grateful   or maybe gnad will translate for me..


as you can see the thread is being taken off topic  by the usual suspects...sadly! Angry


I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



Just an aside on the basic underlying issue:-

Because we here don't actually live in some mythical 'global economy' where everyone has the same costs of living and standards etc - we live in THIS national economy, and are compelled to support costs of living HERE - not there.  That is the basic fatal flaw in any consideration by elected representative of 'belonging' to this 'global economy' nonsense.

Furthermore this nation has, for too long, been totally subject to the 'greed is good' and 'profit first' approach, which while benefiting only the relative few, also leads to those few behaving without any moral constraint.

As a nation - we imported this nonsense from depraved Mediterranean countries, which have very clear social divides and powerfully entrenched 'master/servant relationships' - and in most cases an utter disregard for anyone but self.  Any single one of these Euro-trash, once established in a position of money and power, imagines self to be lord of all he/she surveys - and to have absolute right and control over others.

Like the English, they are totally unlike we of Gaelic descent... we're much more civilised than those grasping peasants...
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Reply #147 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 1:44pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 9:00am:
I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 



I am aware that I at times speak too deeply for many - I've been accused in the past of speaking like a professor...  my apologies... to me the way I explain things is pretty simple....

While I agree, Gnads, on direct government responsibility for taking a hopelessly one-sided approach to the issues of 'relationship' violence - I also observe far deeper and more hidden concerns over the fact that any government would even approach such a thing in the way it has for over twenty five year. 

Governments don't do things for nothing - and it simply cannot be as simple as the way they try to portray it - men always abuser, women always victim.  The only reason anyone would adopt such an approach is because they wish to beat men down*, and in my eyes and experience, that is simply in order to quash any opposition to (rather childish) government doing whatever it wants without constraint.

In approaching the issues from this perspective, government has unleash a campaign of violence against men - a shotgun approach based on their insane version of 'domestic violence laws' - which, by directly attacking any man for any reason on the basis of a claimed 'feeling', is seeking to create a climate of fear in men to behave in some mythical way and have no say, and rather than resolving any issues of violence, has created far more violence in every way.

To me that is pretty obvious... and equally obvious is that any continuation or extension of this current insane handling will only make matters worse.


* many would say, and probably rightly, that any 'man' who would seek to do such things is a craven coward and a bully hiding behind the abuse of Law - and one with no balls himself, and one who runs in fear of real men who can stand up and be counted on issues such as basic rights.... What was that comment about Castro's Cuba?  If it were not for your guns, you would be living on the island of Robinson Crusoe..
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:56am:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???



It's time for some Bruce Lee:






Bruce Lee was very good at his art. Just like all famous well respected artists.
You probably believe he played ping pong and lit matches with nunchucks too.  Grin





When I was a kid I was so impressed with Bruce Lee but
now I find the film clips to be laughable -
as if one man can beat up all those people.
Notice he can strike 2 men behind him with perfect back punches to their heads
even though he can't see where they are?   Smiley
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[quote author=Gnad

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I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 
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did you bother to read my posts... you didnt mention anything thats why I am asking...

funny thing this topic was mentioned on the news tonight   now its 7 women murdered by a person they knew  in 7 days.... so it would appear I am not the only one who thinks some thing needs to be done about it..

sorry grap   the news didnt say a thing about being spread all over the continent   maybe it didnt matter..


a man was also murdered today and a women has been arrested......

for a country that classes itself better than most....with one of the smallest populations   

I am horrified by what is happening.....

do we have any idea just how many children are being brought up by anyone other than their parents... due to one parent being in jail for murdering the other parent???????????...
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Reply #150 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:40pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



To pay for other people to look after their kids. My kids were never in childcare. Their parents looked after them. That is the problem, children divorced from their parents care. We live 5000k away from the use of grandparents as carers so we both worked part time to make sure one of us was looking after them. My sister used my parents as child care and even me. The family looked after the children and it cost nothing.



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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
y?



To pay for other people to look after their kids. My kids were never in childcare. Their parents looked after them. That is the problem, children divorced from their parents care. We live 5000k away from the use of grandparents as carers so we both worked part time to make sure one of us was looking after them. My sister used my parents as child care and even me. The family looked after the children and it cost nothing



too right.... I got a part time job when my youngest was 9...she thought mI was terrible although the hours 10 to 2.didnt harm her in anyway.....guess who has gone to work through 2 children.....

their priorities are different today cu....the kids have to have the best of everything..something breaks replace it immediately...mum and dad must each  have their own car....as well as latest mob phones..laptops...holidays....and on and on it goes....its a competition out there now..

just because homes were a lot cheaper years ago doesnt mean it was easier to get...in fact it was harder  no govt first home buyers...no childcare..

we thought nothing of it.. just got on with it  and WENT WITHOUT to save for a deposit....... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

and another thing our first home was 10 sq....I tell you today the bathroom has to be that size....

and what a miserable unhappy lot we are producing...
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Canberra - you ARE the problem...

Paul Keating's blackmail over the states on funding dictated that all states would adopt universal 'domestic violence laws' - all along the same lines, and all based on the idea that any alleged 'feeling' of the complainant was sufficient for action....

NSW, specifically, leapt on this as THE golden chance to remove licenced firearms from the community - a move defeated at the previous poll - and dictated that the NSW Police, by regulation and not law, could remove firearms legally held etc from anyone ACCUSED under this totally non-existent standard of proof.

THAT is the truth of 'domestic violence laws' - and the totally insane extension of the meaning of 'violence' etc by the self-interested and power-seeking feminist groups has lead us to the current war by women on men.

What are MY suggestions for stopping the war of women on men? 

Declare peace, stop bashing men as aquascoot says, stop the vile rape of men in divorce and child support, and totally repudiate and then repeal these ridiculous laws and regulations, and permit people to resolve their own issues like the adults they claim to be.

And don't start on the women killed by nutters...... we've covered that.  You can't stop nutters.... they will always be with us....
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EXCLUSIVE: A 58-year-old baker allegedly stabbed his former partner to death in her bed after she refused his advances and told him she was seeing someone else.

James Fredes and Erana Nahu, 43, lived together with their two children, aged seven and eight, in Glenfield despite their relationship ending 18 months ago when Ms Nahu began an affair with a work colleague.

Fredes became “enraged” when Ms Nahu elbowed him in the ribs as he climbed into her bed around 1am on Thursday looking for “intimacy” and to restart their relationship, police alleged.



here you go grap... a classic case of a male being DRIVEN to kill a female..

of course its the womens fault....

I do trust you havent missed an episode of the HANDMAIDENS TALE.. its the sort of world I am sure you would feel right at home in...


What are MY suggestions for stopping the war of women on men? 

Quote:
Declare peace, stop bashing men as aquascoot says, stop the vile rape of men in divorce and child support, and totally repudiate and then repeal these ridiculous laws and regulations, and permit people to resolve their own issues like the adults they claim to be.



I believe the man in question here... did solve this issue like an adult... Smiley Smiley Smiley

as probably did the other 6.. Smiley

women also have a habit of falling  of very  high balconies  ... ooops another problem solved...by adults of course...

  you seem to believe that because in your opinion men have been dealt a bad deal by the family court that hands them a reason to use violence against any women.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

why do you think it IS mostly women that seek DVOs..???????????.....

the laws are made for all.....when they talk about DV   

its doesnt say Male DV or FEMALE DV....there is no him or her.....she clouts him he calls the police its called DV..


so why do you think more women seek DVOs..????????

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2 points Cods.

1  women actually hit men more in relationships then vice versa.
but the likelihood that a woman can do serious damage to a man (unless she hits him with an object)is very low, whereas a man with his thicker chest can do serious damage.


2  with regards your anecdote above with Ms nahu.
whilst there is no excuse for his behaviour, the most important drive in nature is the drive to have your DNA survive and women hold the keys to whether a man is going to have this drive met or not.
so whilst she has every right to reject his advances, the biological truth is that this is the absolute worst and most deeply primordial rejection that a woman can give to a man.
because , at a deep primitive level , it says to the man that his DNA (ie himself) would be better off being eliminated from the face of the earth.
and the anger and agression centres are located in those same deep primitive parts of the brain.

so a man has to have excellent emotional control not to react in a very inferior way when he is rejected.

now the superior man (such as aquascoot) loves doing the brutal training of exercising emotional control and pushing thru problems without becoming a resentful bitter emotional mess.
but most men nowadays are not taught this emotional mastery AT ALL.
they are pandered to and kept safe and do not know how to handle their emotions.

we could train them in the harsh reality of life but the left would never go for it.
i think thats a big mistake, i think you harden young men up to make them safe, you dont treat them like little girls to make them safe.

but thats just me.

either way, those primitive parts of the brain are way more powerful then logic and reason
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aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:05am:
points Cods.

1  women actually hit men more in relationships then vice versa.

YOU HAVE THE STATS ON THAT I PRESUME


but the likelihood that a woman can do serious damage to a man (unless she hits him with an object)is very low, whereas a man with his thicker chest can do serious damage.


NICE OF YOU TO ACCEPT THAT MEN ARE STRONGER THAN WOMEN



2  with regards your anecdote above with Ms nahu.
whilst there is no excuse for his behaviour, the most important drive in nature is the drive to have your DNA survive and women hold the keys to whether a man is going to have this drive met or not.
so whilst she has every right to reject his advances, the biological truth is that this is the absolute worst and most deeply primordial rejection that a woman can give to a man.
because , at a deep primitive level , it says to the man that his DNA (ie himself) would be better off being eliminated from the face of the earth.
and the anger and agression centres are located in those same deep primitive parts of the brain.


so women are expected to understand male dna... where as its ok if a bloke doesnt understand a females dna....as you so quaintly put it



so a man has to have excellent emotional control not to react in a very inferior way when he is rejected.


oh dear.....rejected..... Cry Cry


have you ever noticed aque  in the animal kingdom  the male is very very dominant..he has a whole harem of females to choose from..and I would expect a few of the females not chosen would feel REJECTED...

this is also a fact in some human cultures
.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


now the superior man (such as aquascoot) loves doing the brutal training of exercising emotional control and pushing thru problems without becoming a resentful bitter emotional mess.
but most men nowadays are not taught this emotional mastery AT ALL.
they are pandered to and kept safe and do not know how to handle their emotions.

we could train them in the harsh reality of life but the left would never go for it.
i think thats a big mistake, i think you harden young men up to make them safe, you dont treat them like little girls to make them safe.

but thats just me.

either way, those primitive parts of the brain are way more powerful then logic and reaso



so what would you suggest... our schools teach males how to behave when they are REJECTED>.

or teach females not to REJECT the male  bec ause you could end up dead.
.



maybe set up more counselling for the male who appears..self control is not something that comes naturally..
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Reply #156 - Oct 12th, 2018 at 10:17am
 
cods wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:05am:
points Cods.

1  women actually hit men more in relationships then vice versa.

YOU HAVE THE STATS ON THAT I PRESUME


but the likelihood that a woman can do serious damage to a man (unless she hits him with an object)is very low, whereas a man with his thicker chest can do serious damage.


NICE OF YOU TO ACCEPT THAT MEN ARE STRONGER THAN WOMEN



2  with regards your anecdote above with Ms nahu.
whilst there is no excuse for his behaviour, the most important drive in nature is the drive to have your DNA survive and women hold the keys to whether a man is going to have this drive met or not.
so whilst she has every right to reject his advances, the biological truth is that this is the absolute worst and most deeply primordial rejection that a woman can give to a man.
because , at a deep primitive level , it says to the man that his DNA (ie himself) would be better off being eliminated from the face of the earth.
and the anger and agression centres are located in those same deep primitive parts of the brain.


so women are expected to understand male dna... where as its ok if a bloke doesnt understand a females dna....as you so quaintly put it



so a man has to have excellent emotional control not to react in a very inferior way when he is rejected.


oh dear.....rejected..... Cry Cry


have you ever noticed aque  in the animal kingdom  the male is very very dominant..he has a whole harem of females to choose from..and I would expect a few of the females not chosen would feel REJECTED...

this is also a fact in some human cultures
.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


now the superior man (such as aquascoot) loves doing the brutal training of exercising emotional control and pushing thru problems without becoming a resentful bitter emotional mess.
but most men nowadays are not taught this emotional mastery AT ALL.
they are pandered to and kept safe and do not know how to handle their emotions.

we could train them in the harsh reality of life but the left would never go for it.
i think thats a big mistake, i think you harden young men up to make them safe, you dont treat them like little girls to make them safe.

but thats just me.

either way, those primitive parts of the brain are way more powerful then logic and reaso



so what would you suggest... our schools teach males how to behave when they are REJECTED>.

or teach females not to REJECT the male  bec ause you could end up dead.
.



maybe set up more counselling for the male who appears..self control is not something that comes naturally..



hmmm,

you appear to have missed the point.

the stats are clear that women hit men slightly more often but they dont do much damage.

and it is an undeniable fact that women are selective maters and that , in the human species in 2018, they decide which male will be rejected from procreating. i doubt many men feel they have a "whole harem to choose from", some do, most do not

now, what to do.

teach young men from an early age to be masters of their emotions.
this was front and centre in all initiation ceremonies.
boys had pain inflicted , were sent off into the jungle to survive on their own, put into dark caves to learn to conquer their fears.
this led to them mastering their emotions.

when you master fear, you master a deep part of your brain and you master aggression to some extent because aggression is often linked to fear.

teach men to take on responsibility.
modern society is all about teaching people about their rights and never their responsibility.
many young men feel they have a birthright to be happy.
this is clearly false.
life is harsh and you better learn how to suffer without being angry about it.

the noble masculine initiation ceremonies taught this.
a female teacher who finds boys annoying, a smothering mother and a wimp of a father do not teach this
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aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 10:17am:
hmmm,

you appear to have missed the point.

NO I HAVENT


the stats are clear that women hit men slightly more often but they dont do much damage.


what stats are clear to you and no one else...


and it is an undeniable fact that women are selective maters and that , in the human species in 2018, they decide which male will be rejected from procreating. i doubt many men feel they have a "whole harem to choose from", some do, most do not

BULLSHIT   I DON T THINK YOU HAVE EVER LIVED IN THE REAL WORLD AQUA.. WOMEN ARE NOT HORSES...

AND ITS IN THE DNA   Roll Eyes OF FEMALES  WHO B ELIEVE THEY HAVE THE POWER TO  CHANGE MEN .

it is classic in a DV relationships that women blame themselves .. if they had the dinner cooked on time if they give him sex when he wishes if they dont burn his toast.. and on it goes..


now, what to do.

teach young men from an early age to be masters of their emotions.
this was front and centre in all initiation ceremonies.
boys had pain inflicted , were sent off into the jungle to survive on their own, put into dark caves to learn to conquer their fears.
this led to them mastering their emotions.

when you master fear, you master a deep part of your brain and you master aggression to some extent because aggression is often linked to fear.

teach men to take on responsibility.
modern society is all about teaching people about their rights and never their responsibility.
many young men feel they have a birthright to be happy.
this is clearly false.
life is harsh and you better learn how to suffer without being angry about it.

the noble masculine initiation ceremonies taught this.
a female teacher who finds boys annoying, a smothering mother and a wimp of a father do not teach this



ok so you will open a MAN CAVE environment and take in boys...

of what age aqua???......

dont forget you have a lot of boys already educated into manhood...to deal with.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

who is going to teach all this?? manliness???....

assuming it will work...and the fact that as you have told us many times   men have a duty to be stronger its in their dna...

do what will they do with all that stuff.. that denotes testerone?.....me tarzan you...whatever!...

the male lion just has to flick his tail.. but I am sure the male human  would have a need to prove his worth otherwise....

personally aqua  I dont see your ideas getting through to the real world via ozpol... do you?..
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



To pay for other people to look after their kids. My kids were never in childcare. Their parents looked after them. That is the problem, children divorced from their parents care. We live 5000k away from the use of grandparents as carers so we both worked part time to make sure one of us was looking after them. My sister used my parents as child care and even me. The family looked after the children and it cost nothing.





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Reply #159 - Oct 12th, 2018 at 5:24pm
 
oh my ideas have zero chance of getting taken seriously.
the idea that young boys would be mentored and taught to accept the "suffering of life"  and learn not to complain is heresy to the modern socio-cultural environment.

I mean, cods, 95% of the postings on this forum are about complaining , whining and being a victim.

and when you do that, you become bitter and resentful.

and then you become cruel and you will act that out.

i'm just trying to provide some balance.

young men can be taught to be strong powerful assertive and to take responsibility for their emotions.
but that is NEVER NEVER EVER going to happen in 2018 in a western democracy as the brainwashing from the cultural elite is that masculinity is toxic and is to be eradicated.

but if you think that this will stop young boys have sexual urges and aggressive urges, then you are out of your mind.

young men either learn to embrace their aggression and sexual urges or they suppress it and it then comes out in times of stress when defences are down. and it will come out in an ugly way.

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Reply #160 - Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:19pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 10:17am:
cods wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 10:04am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:05am:
points Cods.

1  women actually hit men more in relationships then vice versa.

YOU HAVE THE STATS ON THAT I PRESUME


but the likelihood that a woman can do serious damage to a man (unless she hits him with an object)is very low, whereas a man with his thicker chest can do serious damage.


NICE OF YOU TO ACCEPT THAT MEN ARE STRONGER THAN WOMEN



2  with regards your anecdote above with Ms nahu.
whilst there is no excuse for his behaviour, the most important drive in nature is the drive to have your DNA survive and women hold the keys to whether a man is going to have this drive met or not.
so whilst she has every right to reject his advances, the biological truth is that this is the absolute worst and most deeply primordial rejection that a woman can give to a man.
because , at a deep primitive level , it says to the man that his DNA (ie himself) would be better off being eliminated from the face of the earth.
and the anger and agression centres are located in those same deep primitive parts of the brain.


so women are expected to understand male dna... where as its ok if a bloke doesnt understand a females dna....as you so quaintly put it



so a man has to have excellent emotional control not to react in a very inferior way when he is rejected.


oh dear.....rejected..... Cry Cry


have you ever noticed aque  in the animal kingdom  the male is very very dominant..he has a whole harem of females to choose from..and I would expect a few of the females not chosen would feel REJECTED...

this is also a fact in some human cultures
.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


now the superior man (such as aquascoot) loves doing the brutal training of exercising emotional control and pushing thru problems without becoming a resentful bitter emotional mess.
but most men nowadays are not taught this emotional mastery AT ALL.
they are pandered to and kept safe and do not know how to handle their emotions.

we could train them in the harsh reality of life but the left would never go for it.
i think thats a big mistake, i think you harden young men up to make them safe, you dont treat them like little girls to make them safe.

but thats just me.

either way, those primitive parts of the brain are way more powerful then logic and reaso



so what would you suggest... our schools teach males how to behave when they are REJECTED>.

or teach females not to REJECT the male  bec ause you could end up dead.
.



maybe set up more counselling for the male who appears..self control is not something that comes naturally..



hmmm,

you appear to have missed the point.

the stats are clear that women hit men slightly more often but they dont do much damage.

and it is an undeniable fact that women are selective maters and that , in the human species in 2018, they decide which male will be rejected from procreating. i doubt many men feel they have a "whole harem to choose from", some do, most do not

now, what to do.

teach young men from an early age to be masters of their emotions.
this was front and centre in all initiation ceremonies.
boys had pain inflicted , were sent off into the jungle to survive on their own, put into dark caves to learn to conquer their fears.
this led to them mastering their emotions.

when you master fear, you master a deep part of your brain and you master aggression to some extent because aggression is often linked to fear.

teach men to take on responsibility.
modern society is all about teaching people about their rights and never their responsibility.
many young men feel they have a birthright to be happy.
this is clearly false.
life is harsh and you better learn how to suffer without being angry about it.

the noble masculine initiation ceremonies taught this.
a female teacher who finds boys annoying, a smothering mother and a wimp of a father do not teach this



Holly crap.
Your words Aquascoot?


That is exactly how I understand this american enabled life, or should I say....have grown to understand it.
Scared little weak men (I was one of them) and women, that have no pride in being what could potentially be a strong and calibrated human. We've been programed into this shitttty little life of debt and play school. Weakened beyond limp. Drugged into submission by the human mechanics acting behind the scenes as sales reps.
Pretending isn't living people. Get strong and protect yourself...

That woman that died before her childs eyes is a prime example.
She told the people who she has been brainwashed into believing is going to help her that she believed she was in trouble, and what????.....a reply so piss weak (can't do anything till a crime has been committed) and she still didn't see it. The penny never dropped and she paid the ultimate price.
For fuukkks sake. Wake up. Noone will protect you except......you!

Good post Aquascoot.
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Reply #161 - Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:28pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:40pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



To pay for other people to look after their kids. My kids were never in childcare. Their parents looked after them. That is the problem, children divorced from their parents care. We live 5000k away from the use of grandparents as carers so we both worked part time to make sure one of us was looking after them. My sister used my parents as child care and even me. The family looked after the children and it cost nothing.







Yes. Life was very different back when I was growing up too.
However life is so much more cluttered now and programed into a throw away society.
The family union has been eroded. It's all about stress. Stressed humans are blind humans.
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aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:05am:
now the superior man (such as aquascoot)


You're just lucky the fillies of your family haven't met a superior male(like Setanta). I'd be porking the lot of them.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Yes. Life was very different back when I was growing up too.
However life is so much more cluttered now and programed into a throw away society.
The family union has been eroded. It's all about stress. Stressed humans are blind humans.


So the organised government campaign to erode the family unit as the mainstay of society is working full bore?  That once considered insane Stalinist concept that all power must reside with the State is progressing at a huge rate of knots, supported by the major parties of all colours?

There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  A government with an agenda of absolute control.

I recommend reading "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" by William L Shirer (a non-Jewish American of German descent) and watching Kissinger's "The Greatest Tsar" ........

In the first you will see countless reflections of modern life in the West - the abolition of organised labour, control of the media, pork barreling to mates, control over every aspect of daily life and strict regimentation, arbitrary arrest and imprisonment on suspicion... you name it...

In the second you will see the Reign of Terror..... and how it is all SS-DD, regardless of 'left' or 'right' affiliation.

Then I would recommend to you Barnet's "Intervention and Revolution" for the causes of public revolt and insurrection....

Shocked  eyes open, people.... I won't always be here to lead you.....  Cool
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:05am:
now the superior man (such as aquascoot)


You're just lucky the fillies of your family haven't met a superior male(like Setanta). I'd be porking the lot of them.



Hush - it's the Irish genes, I tellz yez....
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 4:47am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Yes. Life was very different back when I was growing up too.
However life is so much more cluttered now and programed into a throw away society.
The family union has been eroded. It's all about stress. Stressed humans are blind humans.


So the organised government campaign to erode the family unit as the mainstay of society is working full bore?  That once considered insane Stalinist concept that all power must reside with the State is progressing at a huge rate of knots, supported by the major parties of all colours?




There, My Lord - THERE is your enemy!  A government with an agenda of absolute control.

I recommend reading "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" by William L Shirer (a non-Jewish American of German descent) and watching Kissinger's "The Greatest Tsar" ........

In the first you will see countless reflections of modern life in the West - the abolition of organised labour, control of the media, pork barreling to mates, control over every aspect of daily life and strict regimentation, arbitrary arrest and imprisonment on suspicion... you name it...

In the second you will see the Reign of Terror..... and how it is all SS-DD, regardless of 'left' or 'right' affiliation.

Then I would recommend to you Barnet's "Intervention and Revolution" for the causes of public revolt and insurrection....

Shocked  eyes open, people.... I won't always be here to lead you.....  Cool




Yes siree.
This whole programed society is a false reality and the sheep are walking through the stalls to the slaughter house....willingly.


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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 1:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 9:00am:
I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 



I am aware that I at times speak too deeply for many - I've been accused in the past of speaking like a professor...  my apologies... to me the way I explain things is pretty simple....

While I agree, Gnads, on direct government responsibility for taking a hopelessly one-sided approach to the issues of 'relationship' violence - I also observe far deeper and more hidden concerns over the fact that any government would even approach such a thing in the way it has for over twenty five year. 

Governments don't do things for nothing - and it simply cannot be as simple as the way they try to portray it - men always abuser, women always victim.  The only reason anyone would adopt such an approach is because they wish to beat men down*, and in my eyes and experience, that is simply in order to quash any opposition to (rather childish) government doing whatever it wants without constraint.

In approaching the issues from this perspective, government has unleash a campaign of violence against men - a shotgun approach based on their insane version of 'domestic violence laws' - which, by directly attacking any man for any reason on the basis of a claimed 'feeling', is seeking to create a climate of fear in men to behave in some mythical way and have no say, and rather than resolving any issues of violence, has created far more violence in every way.

To me that is pretty obvious... and equally obvious is that any continuation or extension of this current insane handling will only make matters worse.


* many would say, and probably rightly, that any 'man' who would seek to do such things is a craven coward and a bully hiding behind the abuse of Law - and one with no balls himself, and one who runs in fear of real men who can stand up and be counted on issues such as basic rights.... What was that comment about Castro's Cuba?  If it were not for your guns, you would be living on the island of Robinson Crusoe..


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I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 



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did you bother to read my posts... you didnt mention anything thats why I am asking...

funny thing this topic was mentioned on the news tonight   now its 7 women murdered by a person they knew  in 7 days.... so it would appear I am not the only one who thinks some thing needs to be done about it..

sorry grap   the news didnt say a thing about being spread all over the continent   maybe it didnt matter..


a man was also murdered today and a women has been arrested......

for a country that classes itself better than most....with one of the smallest populations   

I am horrified by what is happening.....

do we have any idea just how many children are being brought up by anyone other than their parents... due to one parent being in jail for murdering the other parent???????????...


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Glad you said parent.

182 Australians killed in 2018 either by murder or manslaughter.

Of that 103 were men

62 women

18 children.

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aquascoot wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
oh my ideas have zero chance of getting taken seriously.
the idea that young boys would be mentored and taught to accept the "suffering of life"  and learn not to complain is heresy to the modern socio-cultural environment.

I mean, cods, 95% of the postings on this forum are about complaining , whining and being a victim.

and when you do that, you become bitter and resentful.

and then you become cruel and you will act that out.

i'm just trying to provide some balance.

young men can be taught to be strong powerful assertive and to take responsibility for their emotions.
but that is NEVER NEVER EVER going to happen in 2018 in a western democracy as the brainwashing from the cultural elite is that masculinity is toxic and is to be eradicated.

but if you think that this will stop young boys have sexual urges and aggressive urges, then you are out of your mind.

young men either learn to embrace their aggression and sexual urges or they suppress it and it then comes out in times of stress when defences are down. and it will come out in an ugly way.




so what is your answer aqua?>>..

embracing their aggression is surely what they are doing right now...

they cant go out for a Sat night drink without bloodying someone..... football matches are turned into a war zone...women are not safe to walk the streets at night....child porn  is the fastest growing industry....a bigger disease than smallpox.....

give me a break aqua....

you dont even mention what is educating our children these days...

games that are all about killing... and enjoying it...

dont forget they get their fill of it 24/7..... Angry Angry

parents are far too busy collecting things....


I agree something needs to be done BUT HOW....

you do realise what we are seeing is only going to get worse.......

we are doing less and expecting more.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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