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Reply #135 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:42pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.





We've passed hanging now Greggy - it's about self defence now.


Good.

Your white flag has been accepted, and I've put the Vaseline back in the bathroom cabinet.




Don't lower the conversation to the gutter, Greg - we were making some progress on the conundra about violence in society...
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Reply #136 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:24am
 
I trust this is just as amusing for you..

[urlhttps://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/woman-stabbed-to-death-on-grahame-avenue-glenfield/news-story/ed3f761351b9653f76b0870044cb44db][/url]
A MAN has been arrested after a woman was stabbed to death in home in southwest Sydney.

Emergency services found the 43-year-old woman with stab wounds at the home on Grahame Avenue, Glenfield.

Police were called to the home at 2am this morning. The woman was treated by paramedics but died at the scene.

It is understood the incident is domestic related.

A 58-year-old man at the home was arrested and taken to Campbelltown Police Station.

A crime scene has been established, with detectives from Campbelltown Command on site.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/final-footage-of-woman-found-dumped-i...

ON September 28, she sent her family a selfie from Maroubra in Sydney’s east.

On September 30, CCTV captured her smiling as she passed through Opal barriers in a CBD train station.

By October 3 — last Wednesday — Nicole Cartwright was dead.

The discovery of the 32-year-old bound, dumped and covered in leaves beside a playground in Sydney’s inner north has sparked a sweeping murder investigation.

Homicide specialists announced yesterday they were painstakingly combing over where Ms Cartwright went, what she did and — most ­importantly — who she met, in her last three days.

They want to understand how the “free-spirited” woman from Lansvale in Sydney’s west, who frequently called in on friends across the city and eastern suburbs, wound up dead in a park in the affluent suburb of Hunters Hill.

“We’re seeking to fill the gap between the 30th of September and the 3rd October,” Homicide Squad commander Detective Superintendent Scott Cook said.

“It’s quite possible she was placed there (in the park) on the 2nd or quite early on the 3rd.

“She was bound with her hands in front of her body and she was dressed in the same clothing, or similar to, what she was wearing on the 30th.”


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Reply #137 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:36am
 
change of pace guys.. this one didnt actually kill her.


https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/stgeorge-shire-standard/sydney-man-c...

A MAN accused of repeatedly bashing his girlfriend allegedly told police she was not in his southern Sydney apartment before officers entered and found the young woman cowering in his bedroom.

Benjamin Goddard, 28, pleaded not guilty to charges of common assault and assault causing actual bodily harm after an alleged incident at his Sutherland unit on Monday night.

Police say they received an anonymous phone call reporting a domestic dispute just before 7.30pm on October 8.
According to the police statement of facts tendered in court, Goddard’s former girlfriend allegedly attended his unit to collect some of her possessions before she was struck in the jaw with an object while her back was turned.

Reading from the facts, the magistrate said “blood dripped from (the victim’s) mouth into her hands” immediately after the first alleged strike.

Photographs of the woman tendered to the court allegedly show her jaw “appears to be out of line”, and “three distinct marks on her oesophagus”.

Goddard has been refused bail and will return to Sutherland Local Court on Friday.

When police attended Goddard’s apartment he allegedly denied his girlfriend was there before officers entered the premises and found her in his bedroom “concealing herself beneath pillows and blankets with fresh injuries”.

The woman is yet to provide police with a statement as she allegedly told officers she feared she “would be killed” if she spoke out, according to the facts.

Goddard’s lawyer told the court he had been employed part-time for the past three months and picked up work through Airtasker, a site where users can outsource tasks to other community members.



at least he has been refused bail...
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Reply #138 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:53am
 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/man-fatally-stabbed-in-blacktown/news...

A MAN has been fatally stabbed after a confrontation at a Blacktown property in Sydney’s west.

A 50-year-old woman, who police say was known to the man, has been arrested following the incident on Meroo St, about 5.15pm today.

Officers performed CPR on the man, aged in his 40s, until paramedics arrived, but, he died at the scene.

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Reply #139 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:01am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 10:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:56pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:51pm:
Are you ready to drop this, Bobby:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I've got another dozen or so examples that make you look like a complete & utter idiot, and I was gonna hammer you all night long (don't get excited). 

But, if you admit you were wrong, I'll go easy on you.





We've passed hanging now Greggy - it's about self defence now.


Good.

Your white flag has been accepted, and I've put the Vaseline back in the bathroom cabinet.




Don't lower the conversation to the gutter, Greg - we were making some progress on the conundra about violence in society...



Greggy can't resist his homosexual comments.
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Reply #140 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:11am
 
cods, the ONLY solution to this is that teenage boys need to be raised to aspire to a noble form of masculinity that is about taking responsibility for the protection of others.

men are by nature more disagreeable then women
men are by nature more prone to impulsivity and aggression.
we only need to look at the prison system to see that the vast majority of those in the system are men.

if you want men to behave properly , you have to give them a heroic path to aspire to.

men were quite willing to go to war and die for the gratitude and adulation they recieved as following a heroic path, so men will do very very difficult things IF THEY SEE SOCIETY  acknowledges and praises and is reverant to their actions.

if you want men to behave a certain way you are NEVER going to get that outcome by hating on men, putting men down, making men feel bad about themselves, making men feel ashamed of being men.
that path will lead to nihilism resentment and i would advice no one to follow it.

if you want men to go down a more noble path then it will occur when we use the carrot , not the stick.

the overwhelmingly feminine education system needs to stop trying to raise little boys like little girls and find every way to praise little boys and make then the heroic figures of the school.

suspending them for acting out, shaming them, sending them to psycholgists like they are a 10 yo nutcase is just counterproductive.

the feminine has to start treating men like heroes and work out what heroic behaviour is and then glorifying men.
heres a thought, when the school has a working bee, instead of just ignoring those good men who turn up, have a ceremony where all the women put the men up on a dais and give them a medal ( or a six pack) and then clap like crazy and then their wives go home and give them some hot sex.

you start doing that instead of posting endless stories to make men feel bad about themselves and you will completely change the dynamic and rid the world of violence
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Reply #141 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:56am
 
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???



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Bruce Lee was very good at his art. Just like all famous well respected artists.
You probably believe he played ping pong and lit matches with nunchucks too.  Grin

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Reply #142 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am
 
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....
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Reply #143 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am
 
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?

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Reply #144 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:36am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
cods wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:26am:
yes aqua I understand all that...

however most leaning is done in the HOME....as I have pointed out already  most mums and dads work full time  they give their kids the ipad  and leave it at that..

good manners went out years ago...its push and shove now...no respect at any age....even the oldies are as miserable as sin....

do you seriously think everyone is going to start educating their kids on how we should treat each other???>. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes it doesnt seem to be important today!

have you for instance noticed anyone changing after they have been banned on ozpol for being rude???

I havent!they come back and carry on the same way as they always have.......maybe they can bl;ame their parents for their upbringing.....

I do know in my time we took responsibility for our own actions......I cannot remember using the blame card....


So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



Well, for starters, everyone thinks they have to have a 4 bedroom/2 bathroom house with a games room and study, and a double garage with 2 brand new cars in it.

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Reply #145 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 9:00am
 
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 4:20pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:56pm:
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 11:18am:
ods wrote Today at 7:41am:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 8:14pm:
cods wrote Yesterday at 6:44pm:
Ye Grappler wrote Yesterday at 6:39pm:
Gandalf... GANDALF.. stay with me, buddy... dustoff is only two minutes out... don't you go to sleep on me.... you can still win this one........ just hang in there....



grap go write a book about how hard done by you are just because you were born a man.... 

maybe even start a thread on what a sad life you have  just because you are a man....   


Don't beat the man - discuss the issue of government sponsored violence as its chosen means to resolve the issues of violence... and how that is doomed to failure because it IS violence.



when you decide you will discuss in a sensible manner  let me know.....in the mean time  its hard to tell what the hell you are on about..

you are not writing a fantasy book... why not try normal every day English for a change..

what he hell is govt sponsored violence?????>..

grow up grap...if you want people to engage with you.


Not my fault you don't understand history and politics... and the actual functioning of violence in a society and what violence is....

Simple question:-  What is your solution to these totally separate and widespread acts of violence?

Two questions:-  What exactly is it you want Canberra to do? 

Not hard, really - what is your plan to resolve these issues, cods - other than criticise me for asking and explaining a few possibilities to you...  very sensible of me....

I know - let's go for the Labor sheila's way:-




   seriously i still dont understand a word you say

maybe you had better stick with gandy  he has better luck than I...

as it is you appear to believe unless the 6 deaths all took place in the one state at the same time..

there really is so little to talk about.. Sad

yet any thread on women being attacked and murdered,in you come to fight for the males you believe are killed but ignored....

did you say there are no women in jails for murdering male partners???????....I cant remember  Roll Eyes Roll Eyesits pretty much what you believe...

you know there are a lot of tv shows on right now   with husbands who kill their wives and pretend to the world they ran off with a lover  leaving their beloved child or children behind.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its true!  some of these guys have actually got away with their crime for 30 odd years... Angry Angry

for the life of me I cannot recall one case where a women has been arrested 30 years later charged with murdering her husband....

women do not tend to murder then bury or chop the body up so it can be discarded nice and easy......then move the boyfriend into the house and carry on as if nothing had happened....


I would like to see for a start

when anyone!  and that goes for both sexes break and AVO or DVO rules.......they go to jail... no second chances....

unless these DVOs have teeth they are a complete waste of time...

every case where a person is being threatened must be taken seriously by the Police....

no one should live in fear...because of some madman...

not just  Pollies like SHY.. Angry

I am very angry about that!...one law for them and one for the rest of us.......no thanks..

the person arrested for the murder of Kirstie   does in fact have a police record.....

Quote:
He was arrested on outstanding warrants for multiple alleged offences, including fraud, resisting an officer, possess prohibited drug and custody of a knife in a public place.





so whats your solution grap??.. give up because we cant save them all?




Answer his question Cods .... what are your suggestions as to how this problem can be solved.  Roll Eyes



perhaps if you read the thread  before you stick your head in the noose...  you would see I have tried my best to get through to grap...he has spent two days admonising anyone and everyone...... and thinks the whole thing is a waste of time....

try seeing my points in post 71.75.77...

you agree with grap    6 murders in six States  why b other???>> Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

I too have asked grapo for answers I am still waiting...you dont mention that though do you pet?..

here I will ask one again..
ok grap  what

VIOLENCE IS THE GOVT RESPONSIBLE FOR???

in the context of this thread..

if you can answer without all the waffle I would be grateful   or maybe gnad will translate for me..


as you can see the thread is being taken off topic  by the usual suspects...sadly! Angry


I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 
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Reply #146 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 1:34pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 8:30am:
So why do most mums and dads work full time?
To earn money to pay the ever increasing bills.
Why are the bills increasing so much?
What happens if mum and dad don't pay the bills?
Why has life become so fast paced and expensive in this country?



Just an aside on the basic underlying issue:-

Because we here don't actually live in some mythical 'global economy' where everyone has the same costs of living and standards etc - we live in THIS national economy, and are compelled to support costs of living HERE - not there.  That is the basic fatal flaw in any consideration by elected representative of 'belonging' to this 'global economy' nonsense.

Furthermore this nation has, for too long, been totally subject to the 'greed is good' and 'profit first' approach, which while benefiting only the relative few, also leads to those few behaving without any moral constraint.

As a nation - we imported this nonsense from depraved Mediterranean countries, which have very clear social divides and powerfully entrenched 'master/servant relationships' - and in most cases an utter disregard for anyone but self.  Any single one of these Euro-trash, once established in a position of money and power, imagines self to be lord of all he/she surveys - and to have absolute right and control over others.

Like the English, they are totally unlike we of Gaelic descent... we're much more civilised than those grasping peasants...
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Reply #147 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 1:44pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 9:00am:
I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 



I am aware that I at times speak too deeply for many - I've been accused in the past of speaking like a professor...  my apologies... to me the way I explain things is pretty simple....

While I agree, Gnads, on direct government responsibility for taking a hopelessly one-sided approach to the issues of 'relationship' violence - I also observe far deeper and more hidden concerns over the fact that any government would even approach such a thing in the way it has for over twenty five year. 

Governments don't do things for nothing - and it simply cannot be as simple as the way they try to portray it - men always abuser, women always victim.  The only reason anyone would adopt such an approach is because they wish to beat men down*, and in my eyes and experience, that is simply in order to quash any opposition to (rather childish) government doing whatever it wants without constraint.

In approaching the issues from this perspective, government has unleash a campaign of violence against men - a shotgun approach based on their insane version of 'domestic violence laws' - which, by directly attacking any man for any reason on the basis of a claimed 'feeling', is seeking to create a climate of fear in men to behave in some mythical way and have no say, and rather than resolving any issues of violence, has created far more violence in every way.

To me that is pretty obvious... and equally obvious is that any continuation or extension of this current insane handling will only make matters worse.


* many would say, and probably rightly, that any 'man' who would seek to do such things is a craven coward and a bully hiding behind the abuse of Law - and one with no balls himself, and one who runs in fear of real men who can stand up and be counted on issues such as basic rights.... What was that comment about Castro's Cuba?  If it were not for your guns, you would be living on the island of Robinson Crusoe..
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Reply #148 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 11th, 2018 at 6:56am:
Bobby wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
No not at all.
But knowing there are really messed up people walking around you day in day out and not doing anything that may bebifit yourself should you need it....that is pretty silly don't you think? I think it is pretty silly.

Better to know it and not need it than need it and not know it....yeah???



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Bruce Lee was very good at his art. Just like all famous well respected artists.
You probably believe he played ping pong and lit matches with nunchucks too.  Grin





When I was a kid I was so impressed with Bruce Lee but
now I find the film clips to be laughable -
as if one man can beat up all those people.
Notice he can strike 2 men behind him with perfect back punches to their heads
even though he can't see where they are?   Smiley
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Reply #149 - Oct 11th, 2018 at 5:09pm
 
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I don't agree with "why bother".

The Govt isn't responsible for all violence.
(edit) Except as pointed out by Grappler with DVO & AVO orders & their one sided application.

We have laws of the land to deal with violence/assault.

Unless you want the removal of all men from the picture ......

how will this be resolved?

btw ... I was not talking/typing off topic. 
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did you bother to read my posts... you didnt mention anything thats why I am asking...

funny thing this topic was mentioned on the news tonight   now its 7 women murdered by a person they knew  in 7 days.... so it would appear I am not the only one who thinks some thing needs to be done about it..

sorry grap   the news didnt say a thing about being spread all over the continent   maybe it didnt matter..


a man was also murdered today and a women has been arrested......

for a country that classes itself better than most....with one of the smallest populations   

I am horrified by what is happening.....

do we have any idea just how many children are being brought up by anyone other than their parents... due to one parent being in jail for murdering the other parent???????????...
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