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Reply #105 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING AMERICA AND ITS LAWS OR LACK OF THEM IN A THREAD ABOUT AUSTRALIAN WOMEN BEING MURDERED???????./.



isnt there enough thread on AMERICA already?

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Reply #106 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:18pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
WHY ARE YOU DISCUSSING AMERICA AND ITS LAWS OR LACK OF THEM IN A THREAD ABOUT AUSTRALIAN WOMEN BEING MURDERED???????./.



isnt there enough thread on AMERICA already?



Because Bobby says the solution is hanging.

He said, and I quote:

"The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

I'm using the US as an example to show him that countries (or states) that have hanging as an option for certain crimes, still have violence against women.

Thus, completely disproving his ridiculous argument.

I suppose I could have used Australia instead so, I will do so now.

Australia used hanging as a form of capital punishment up until 1967.

In all the time that this method of execution was legally available (and used), there were still incidents of violence against women.

Moreover, we still had rape, murder, and child molestation.

So, once again, I've shown Bobby's argument to be absolutely ridiculous.



 
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Reply #107 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:19pm
 
What is your program for resolving the issues surrounding violence, Greg... I know you're smart etc... this business of hanging is a serious sidetrack....

How would you resolve issues such as six murders in a week across several states and separated by thousands of miles and different in each case?

I can only offer an idea when it comes to clear nutters... and I blame government squarely for closing down the mental institutions .... the rest - well - nobody wakes up expecting to be murdered, and nobody knows when a random act is going to occur - if they did they could prevent it...

What is your solution to the problem of violence in society?  Education won't change those with any pre-disposition or learned behaviour - you can tell people at school times many how to behave - some will not comply anyway, and once they are in the big world, the number of possible life experiences that may alter their way of thinking is infinite....  Lips Sealed
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Reply #108 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:22pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up





Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute.....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You have oversimplified what I was saying.
Arguments take two people.
And you must admit, some women don't know when to let it go.

But if you read deeper into my post
I state that there is more than just "I hate you...thump"
Men are often under great pressure, in their jobs, trying to fit into an ever changing world we are not wired for.
Since we all climbed out of the trees
Men have been the protector and Hunter
Women have been the nurturer
Men fight
Women talk and manipulate

This is not meant to be insulting, it's simply the way it is.

This is why women make great middle managers, but are out of their depth in more physically demanding management roles.

Now the world is changing faster than many men can cope
Now it's all touchy feely
Must "talk" through our problems instead of fighting
No need to protect,
No need to hunt
Men start feeling worthless and have partners who are encroaching on their masculine domain.
They start to see, and are constantly told that women are equal.
So they start to treat them as they treat men.

If a bloke insults or assaults a man, he fights back.

Add the uselessness of the grubberment allowing work to disappear overseas
Throw in the gay driven drivel
Chuck a couple of dependents
A touch of grog
And you have a time bomb ticking away.

What I'm saying is that it's not only women who need support
Many men commit suicide, and they generally succeed
But support is not as available, and men are wired differently to see any deficiencies as an attack on their masculinity

Then they go home to a partner who insults them
What do you think will happen?

There will always be the dead beat who simply like beating women
Cowards who are not brave enough to take on a man
But these are fewer than the "movement of equality" would have us believe
Many men have just hit the wall, and have nowhere to turn.

As I said
We all just need to respect each other And grow up

This "ALL MEN ARE EVIL BASTARDS" cry coming from women isn't helping.

Tell someone they are bad often enough, and they become bad.
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Reply #109 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:25pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
What is your program for resolving the issues surrounding violence, Greg... I know you're smart etc... this business of hanging is a serious sidetrack....

How would you resolve issues such as six murders in a week across several states and separated by thousands of miles and different in each case?

I can only offer an idea when it comes to clear nutters... and I blame government squarely for closing down the mental institutions .... the rest - well - nobody wakes up expecting to be murdered, and nobody knows when a random act is going to occur - if they did they could prevent it...

What is your solution to the problem of violence in society?  Education won't change those with any pre-disposition or learned behaviour - you can tell people at school times many how to behave - some will not comply anyway, and once they are in the big world, the number of possible life experiences that may alter their way of thinking is infinite....  Lips Sealed


I don't have a solution.

Education and improved mental healthcare can't hurt, though.

What I do know, is this: capital punishment (i.e. more violence) doesn't help.


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Reply #110 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:30pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:22pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up





Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute.....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You have oversimplified what I was saying.
Arguments take two people.
And you must admit, some women don't know when to let it go.

But if you read deeper into my post
I state that there is more than just "I hate you...thump"
Men are often under great pressure, in their jobs, trying to fit into an ever changing world we are not wired for.
Since we all climbed out of the trees
Men have been the protector and Hunter
Women have been the nurturer
Men fight
Women talk and manipulate

This is not meant to be insulting, it's simply the way it is.

This is why women make great middle managers, but are out of their depth in more physically demanding management roles.

Now the world is changing faster than many men can cope
Now it's all touchy feely
Must "talk" through our problems instead of fighting
No need to protect,
No need to hunt
Men start feeling worthless and have partners who are encroaching on their masculine domain.
They start to see, and are constantly told that women are equal.
So they start to treat them as they treat men.

If a bloke insults or assaults a man, he fights back.

Add the uselessness of the grubberment allowing work to disappear overseas
Throw in the gay driven drivel
Chuck a couple of dependents
A touch of grog
And you have a time bomb ticking away.

What I'm saying is that it's not only women who need support
Many men commit suicide, and they generally succeed
But support is not as available, and men are wired differently to see any deficiencies as an attack on their masculinity

Then they go home to a partner who insults them
What do you think will happen?

There will always be the dead beat who simply like beating women
Cowards who are not brave enough to take on a man
But these are fewer than the "movement of equality" would have us believe
Many men have just hit the wall, and have nowhere to turn.

As I said
We all just need to respect each other And grow up

This "ALL MEN ARE EVIL BASTARDS" cry coming from women isn't helping.

Tell someone they are bad often enough, and they become bad.


Points taken...
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Reply #111 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?
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Reply #112 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:25pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:19pm:
What is your program for resolving the issues surrounding violence, Greg... I know you're smart etc... this business of hanging is a serious sidetrack....

How would you resolve issues such as six murders in a week across several states and separated by thousands of miles and different in each case?

I can only offer an idea when it comes to clear nutters... and I blame government squarely for closing down the mental institutions .... the rest - well - nobody wakes up expecting to be murdered, and nobody knows when a random act is going to occur - if they did they could prevent it...

What is your solution to the problem of violence in society?  Education won't change those with any pre-disposition or learned behaviour - you can tell people at school times many how to behave - some will not comply anyway, and once they are in the big world, the number of possible life experiences that may alter their way of thinking is infinite....  Lips Sealed


I don't have a solution.

Education and improved mental healthcare can't hurt, though.

What I do know, is this: capital punishment (i.e. more violence) doesn't help.




I have to agree.... I long ago stated my reasons for not accepting capital punishment...

As for mental healthcare - Wade Frankim, The Strathfield Massacre guy who shot, from memory, seven women, would have been in a nut house without governments selling off those prime properties for filthy lucre.

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Reply #113 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:43pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1538980629/85#85 date=1539149545]

Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


Washington - 1994

There was violence against women in Washington up until, including, and after that year.


Delaware - 1996

There was violence against women in Delaware up until, including, and after that year.


New Hampshire - 1939

There was violence against women in New Hampshire up until, including, and after that year.


Bobby: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

Nope: three examples above that prove you wrong.

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Reply #114 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1538980629/85#85 date=1539149545]

Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


Washington - 1994

There was violence against women in Washington up until, including, and after that year.


Delaware - 1996

There was violence against women in Delaware up until, including, and after that year.


New Hampshire - 1939

There was violence against women in New Hampshire up until, including, and after that year.


Bobby: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging."

Nope: three examples above that prove you wrong.




It must have helped a bit?
Were the hangings like this one?
Did someone make a real theatrical speech?




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Reply #115 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment.





When's the last time that Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire hanged anyone?
When did they ever hang em high?


In Botswana, in May this year, Uyapo Poloko was hanged.

Nek minnut (August this year):

"The United Nations in Botswana in solidarity with the Government of Botswana, joins key stakeholders and society at large to condemn Gender-Based Violence(GBV), especially the increasing incidences of violence against women and children in public and private spheres."

Since the hanging, violence against women has increased.

How can that be, though?

Booby said: "The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging".


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Reply #116 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm
 
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.
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Reply #117 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll bever stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.


I reckon you are right and a spouse who is subject to DV ought to move on at the first sign and NOT fall for the grovelling apology.  Get out of harm's way.
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Reply #118 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
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  Points taken..   


Please don't read me wrong
I have a wife and a couple of girl children, all of who I love deeply.
I am also very fortunate that my wife is sensible and we can talk through our issues.

Perhaps I am also a little more aware of the problems because of my education and training.

But I have seen it all go bad with friends and family because of pressures that have destroyed their relationships.

There is nothing on this earth sadder than watching the love of two people fail, not because of them, but because of the pressures of life.

Love should never fail we are all told
Happily ever after is a myth,
You love passionately in the early years.
You grow to know each other And find things you don't like
You try to change the other, while holding onto your own failings.

But suddenly, you begin to realize that the person you loved is changing.
Smart people, those who will have a long marriage, stop trying to change each other
Accepting the differences as we accept the little faults in our favourite things

In time you begin to love these little faults, because they make your partner who they are.
It is at this point you know what true love is.
Irrespective of all the faults, warts and grey hairs
That little woman is the love of your life.

Every time I see her, every time we hold hands, every time we pass each other And touch, only makes us love more.

Men and women are different
We can never be the same
We can never be the perfect image that the other wants
Trying to change men into pseudo women or women into pseudo men will bring no satisfaction or joy.

We must learn to embrace the differences
We must learn that we are different
Or the human race is doomed.
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Reply #119 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:57pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:54pm:
It is never going to stop.....period.
Introduce all the bullshyte you like....you'll never stop it.


The problem is you cannot accept that truth. IT WILL NEVER STOP....FACT.


Curse me all you like. I don't care but untill you accept reality you're only hurting yourself.



Perhaps you're right but
wouldn't some good christian hangings make everyone feel better?
At least people could see some justice.
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