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Reply #90 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 4:57pm
 
Dear cods, dear cods - the government is responsible for creating a climate of violence with its application of DVOs and AVOs - when you start off by implying that any disagreement between a man and a woman is an act of violence on one part but not the other - an implication inherent in the use of 'violence' in those things regardless of the facts involved in any issue.... you are directly responsible for EVERYONE subjected to that distortion of English language accepting that it DOES involve violence.... when you then permit those with a special interest in doing so - namely the 'domestic violence advocacy service' and other feminist-related groups - to continually extend the 'definition' of 'violence* until it becomes absurd and (conveniently) becomes anything that someone claims to 'feel' - you are destroying any chance of resolution of issues, and are escalating the intervention by the State on ANY complaint = State Violence Direct without proper legal cause.

Ergo - you yourself (the government in this case) are perpetrating and extending violence as the chosen means to resolve issues of 'feelings' of remotely (in most cases) violence.**

My initial suggestion to the 'law reform commission' (it is anything but - it is a tool for imposing government control) was that any 'orders' given by a court IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY PROVEN VIOLENCE - should take in BOTH parties -and order both to keep the peace.

No way would they come at that - they wanted to create the illusion that relationship violence was exclusively a man v woman thing - then they sold that as being the 'first step' in resolving violence in society - and in twenty six years have never moved one step forward from that 'first step' - but rather have allowed it to be extended and extended until anything any woman feels is now sufficient reason for the state and its agencies to attack any man.

THIS is State violence and state-sponsored violence writ large..... and the final solution is always in such cases ....... the Final Solution..... do you imagine our politicians bent on a controlled society do not know that?  They know from history where that leads - and Russia with its 'equalisation of women' lead to a totally de-balled society totally under the sway of their government....and politicians are stupid... but not fools....


* Artificially extending the 'definition' of violence to suit special interest groups is like stretching a rubber band - you cans stretch it so many times and in so many ways - then it will break...  that is what has happened with 'domestic' and 'apprehended' violence.  then add that these are ONLY exercised in one direction - and you have designed a recipe for escalating violence.

** Is it any wonder then -the same as attempting to control bullying by bullying bullies - that everyone feels that violence is the way to resolve any issue?  Women use it, men use it, the cops use it, the courts use it - a never-ending downward spiral to hell.
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Reply #91 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm
 
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up

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Reply #92 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.
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Reply #93 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:19pm
 
Let me continue:-

Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.

That is the demand being put forward by the feminist lobbies - and Labor is currently over-run by feminists and their eunuch lap dogs ....

Why is it so hard for anyone to see that:-

a) Incarcerating anyone on any complaint without any reference to fact and reality, is itself the most gross violation of personal rights and civil liberties, and of Law?

b) Permitting such insane nonsense instantly hands to one specified party in any relationship (of any kind) absolute and total power and control of that relationship - a total abrogation of the nature of equality in marriage and relationships and of personal power in any relationship, not to mention a fair balance of power between two involved (alleged) adults?

c)  Such a stance is deliberately aimed at reducing the power of men specifically in relationships and in society by extension - thus working to prevent men as a group from opposing despotic government - and increasing government control over the individual, with the ultimate aim of reducing the individual to being a vassal of the state and subject to its every whim.**

d)  This is clearly a movement to promote women's total control over family, relationships, and thus  of society.*

* How 'men' could get onboard with this insanity is beyond me and will remain so... in the beginning they were sucked in by the belief that this would only apply to those who beat up their missus .. surely by now they know the truth..... it can be and is sued against any man on any complaint of any 'feeling' .... and when tyranny is upon the land, nobody is safe... even the suck-up sycophant eunuchs who support this insanity and help cause the ongoing violence  ......


** When they came for the men in their own homes, you said nothing - when they come for you - there will be nobody left to say anything.
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Reply #94 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:00pm:
I've been reading this thread for a while
It seems to have a polarizing effect on people, and arguments aplenty
But no real functional solutions.

Ok, then let's try
Before one can fix a problem, one must examine the symptoms and determine the root cause.

Now, the symptoms are
Men attack women
Men attack men
Women are hurt more because there is
1) more passion involved
2) women are weaker

But these are only symptoms, not the root cause

Why do men attack men and women?
Well, there are several reasons
Drunk
Drugged
Angry ( this could be for many reasons)
In retaliation for being wronged or thinking they were wronged
Stress
Etc, etc.

You can help some of these causes, but not all, some are feelings and may not be logical, like a man who thinks his wife is playing around.

So, what is the solution
Well, the first is to teach men and women to respect each other
And no, it's not a one way street, men deserve respect too.

Then we need to teach men to harness their strength
A man thumping another man for an insult is not a bad thing
But that same thump on a woman can seriously hurt her.
So men need to learn the weakness of women, not that they are equal, but that they are not  equal in strength.

Women need to learn that you don't hit a man and not to expect to be hit back, you girls asked for it, equality means equality.

So we both need to change a little
We both need to realise that we are different in different ways.
We both need to grow up



Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute.....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #95 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:26pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.


Yes they do/can, as a simple Google search shows.
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Reply #96 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:31pm
 
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Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.


No, that is far too long a bow to draw. 

As it is, on the complaint of either spouse (yes more often than not it is the complaint of the female) the other spouse is at booted out of the home for at least the night.
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Reply #97 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
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Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.


No, that is far too long a bow to draw. 

As it is, on the complaint of either spouse (yes more often than not it is the complaint of the female) the other spouse is at booted out of the home for at least the night.


Based on feminist ideology and observation of what occurs in the United States - what I pointed to is very much on the cards, given the relentless campaigning over 'violence'; and women's rights.

The artificial lumping of every issue of violence involving women under the roof of 'domestic violence' is a huge lie... a schoolgirl fighting with another girl at school is included.... apparently everything a female is involved in is 'domestic' - what a funny reflection on 60+ years of 'women's liberation' .....

Truly these people know not what their right or left hand is...... not where - what!
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Reply #98 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:46pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
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Under the impending Labor government, filled and fueled as it is with the fire of women's rights etc -the most obvious next step will be to command immediate arrest and a minimum of overnight incarceration for any man involved in any disagreement and drawing any complaint from any woman.


No, that is far too long a bow to draw. 

As it is, on the complaint of either spouse (yes more often than not it is the complaint of the female) the other spouse is at booted out of the home for at least the night.


This is not a violent act?  An act of imposition?  An act of bullying?  An assertion that the individual has no rights but the state may intervene as it sees fit?

I'll try it again - in NSW 2012 - NSW police were called out to 300,000 complaints of 'domestic violence' - around 5% of those resulted in court action.....

So - let me get this straight - any time one adult (LMAO) in a relationship complains, the other must be forced out of his/her home without notice, and this is not an act of violence by the state??

Juden - RAUS!  Refuse and you will be arrested!!

I wonder truly about you people and your thinking at times....
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Reply #99 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:48pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Here we go again - most DV incidents are INITIATED by the woman.... and you are being sucked in by the propaganda that every DV and AV issue is about some bloke belting the woman.. utter nonsense... most 'orders (illegal BTW) are handed out over NON-violent issues - they are supposed to PREVENT violence and if and when GENUINE violence has occurred, it was always actionable under the law of assault - yet how you expect to prevent violence that has not occurred other than in someone's mind without being violent by handing such orders to the other person is beyond me...

Et tu, Brute..



i gather you find it hard to understand grap..

that we only really hear about the AVOs DVOs that go [b]BAD..[/b]

you and I would have no idea how many are issued

I agree totally they can be issued for crap...and NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.. ..

however  who are you to decide what is VIOLENT and what isnt???

a women can come out of an argument with her partner without a blemish on her.....that does not mean he has shown no violence in his threats and actions....they use words like I will kill you and the kids..

is that not violence in your book???...perhaps you have never had someone hold you up against a wall eyes two inches from your own  threatening to kill your kids.....knowing full well how capable they are of carrying out their threat..

I have mentioned what I would do about DVOs  but I guess you are not interested  so be it!
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Reply #100 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:49pm
 
I don't use your terminology, but yes by legislative act empowering police, a spouse can be rendered homeless for at least one night.
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Reply #101 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:26pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.


Yes they do/can, as a simple Google search shows.


I know you love to jump onto my every post to try to criticise and/or refute but perhaps you should try a deeper Google search instead of always relying on the 'simple'.

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Capital punishment is no longer used in the U.S. state of Delaware. The state's capital sentencing scheme was declared unconstitutional by the Delaware Supreme Court on August 2, 2016.[1] The ruling will retroactively apply to earlier death sentences

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Reply #102 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:59pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
dear Cods,
The only way to stop violence against women is bring back hanging.

As both sides of politics are limp wristed progressives,
the murders, rapes & violence will continue forever.


He's right, cods.

There are 31 states in the US which have capital punishment, and none of them have ANY murders, rape, or violence.





But none of those states hang em high.

The guilty crook has to be hanged high so that everyone can see
and it needs to be broadcast live on prime time TV.

It's the fear that promotes that would stop the
murders, rapes and violence.


Not true.

Several states in the US have hanging as a method of capital punishment, and they all still have high rates of murder, rape, and violence.





None of those states hang em high.


It's all lethal injection behind closed doors.
What fear is that going to strike into the hearts of crooks?


Washington, Delaware and New Hampshire all have hanging as a method of capital punishment


No they don't.


"Three states allow the gas chamber (Arizona, Missouri, Wyoming) and three other states allow hanging (Delaware, New Hampshire and Washington)."

Everything you need to know about executions in the United States

* not in Delaware since 2016.

New Hampshire and Washington, however, still have hanging as an option.

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Reply #103 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:01pm
 
Capital punishment is no longer used in the U.S. state of Delaware. The state's capital sentencing scheme was declared unconstitutional by the Delaware Supreme Court on August 2, 2016.[1] The ruling will retroactively apply to earlier death sentences

Nice quick edit there LOL
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Reply #104 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 6:05pm
 

And, more to the point, the two states with hanging still have rape, murder, and violent crime.

Moreover, Delaware still had rape, murder, and violent crime when they had hanging on the books.

So, as usual, Gobby is talking out of his ares.

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