Now my light is gone in the morning. Stupid daylight savings. Theres no justification for it in this era.

Spot

Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:20am:



Why should I do that when the real suffering here is no "light" in the morning?

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:25am:



No need to speak in code.

Marla wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:27am:



I'm not. It was a comment made years ago when DS was introduced.

Marla wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:36am:



Yep.....

Marla wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 5:54am:


So because there are poor kids somewhere according to you im not allowed to be upset about anything else? WTH mate

Spot

I loathe daylight saving.... chops an hour out of my sleep... I am NOT a morning person.

Damn - Marla has given a great first line for a song :-

"No light in the morning...."

Anyway - DS' bloody extra hour of daylight causes the gringe to grow faster in the swimming pool.... more power wasted to suck it all out ...

I lived in a country with no DS - Japan. It was broad daylight at 4:30 AM in August and the only people up and out of bed were the elderly with nothing to do but wander the roads aimlessly.

It was actually the easiest year I've had to cope with DLS. Mostly because I was stuck in the middle of nowhere

DonDeeHippy wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:47am:


It does not do that - it did however fade the ladies curtains - that is a fact.

Gnads wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 10:31am:




No problems with the decision, its just you hear the same tired old arguments about it.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 8:07am:



Oh. I just assumed it was.
In that case perhaps it is time for it to be put to the people to decide.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 10:37am:


The tired arguments are those repeated by the pro-DLS people.

In fact I believe they are the ones who invented the cow & faded curtains BS.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 11:16am:


And the entire state doesn't revolve around "the Tweed"/GC or Brisbane.

As far as only being for SEQ .... where would you draw the line?

I'm on the Fraser Coast 3 hrs north of Brisbane .. we certainly don't need it.

In late spring & summer it's daylight from 4.30 am to 7.00pm.

Adjust your working hours like many do in summer.

It's not all about tourist operators/retailers.

It's a lifetime ago Peccar

I could be mistaken in that the trial ran for 3 years 1989 to 1992 before the referendum.

I was sure there was a trial in the late 70's when I was still playing footy.

Maybe I was just thinking of the devastating beer strike 

Gnads wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 11:24am:



Pretty sure that is what got it the flick. A boarder within a border.
Construction on the coast was another one suffering as well I think. Like I said it doesn't bother me. My hrs are all over the place.

As you said, adjust your life. Nothing wrong with normal time at all. We've survived this long without it. Most in Nth NSW that I know hate it anyway.

At least the other states seemed to have had a choice, in SA it was just imposed on us and its back to getting up before the roosters, my curtains are already faded and I have to save up for some more.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 5:15am:


With solar becoming more commonplace, it makes more sense now to implement or continue with Daylight Savings. By shifting the day forward by an hour, you're shifting the network load demand to be in parallel with the level of solar insolation received during the day. For example, if the time sunrise occurs is shifted from approx. 4.30 AM to 5.30 AM, it falls in line more with the time people wake up and create demand on the grid. Likewise, shifting sunset from approx 7.30 PM to 8.30 PM falls more in line with the time people switch off air conditioners and other appliances as they prepare to get ready for bed.

Even if this wasn't a factor, there are other economic benefits, such as a reduction in crime rates and an increase in spending in shops and restaurants. I've never bought the "well I wake up when the sun goes up" argument that farmers often push as a justification for not having Daylight Savings - if your work routine is not governed by what time it is it shouldn't be an issue. Nor should the argument "we've had x referendums on the issue and the majority voted no" be a justification, particularly if the referendums were held more than 10 years ago.

Ultimately, the issue would be best resolved if Daylight Savings was governed by the Federal Government and not individual states - either every state has it or no states have it at all to at least maintain unity between time zones.

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 2:28pm:


That's what I was referring to when I said suppliers.

And if supplies that may come from interstate can't be ordered in the 7hrs out an 8 hour day .... most work longer ... then they are bloody useless. One hour makes SFA difference.

Nothing changes for me. It was hot here today though ... 27C ...

minarchist wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 2:26pm:


I would go for walks during the winter. The sun starting to come up around 5am. It probably comes up around 4:30am now. The longest days, the sun starts to come up around 4am. "Sun starts to come up" meaning that the first daylight hours are upon us.

But that is not really the issue for me. I work in a restaurant. We have noted that the summer work hours get put back an hour to compensate for the sunsets going from near 6pm to 7pm. That means that our restaurant orders come in an hour later. With peak demand, we have to keep more staff back an hour to make sure that the late shift do not get burdened too much with clean up near closing. How it works is that we have to have staff on hand to deal with the 4 to 5pm orders. But there is not a great deal of work to do at the time. From 6 to 7pm, our orders are increased considerably, with peak period not ending until 8 to 9pm -- depending if there is an event on television that night.

Imagine running a restaurant business that gets most of their customers at night. You have to adjust according to the seasons. But with daylight savings, you not only have to deal with shifting sunsets, but the fact is that customers will come in an average of another hour later. And though we get the "it's too hot to cook dinner" customers coming in, the reality is that we have to be burdened with exacerbated peak demand of customers, rather than having to deal with the same amount of customers over another hour of opening hours.

And apart from that, Queensland is too hot and/or humid to have daylight savings. Imagine trying to get your children to bed at 8pm with the sun still out. Or the 2pm sun on the skins of children riding their bikes home from school at the 3pm time on the clock.

I can't see how farmers would be affected by daylight savings, either. Instead of getting up at 4am, they get up at 5am. Instead of finishing the day at 7pm, they finish at 8pm. Or however it is that farmers work.

As for power usage from solar panels, the load of electricity usage is not going to be impacted by moving the clocks forward. You are likely to use power to cook your meals when the sun goes down. I would likely use my air conditioner an hour before I usually would with daylight savings. Then I would switch off at dusk. Meaning, I would still use more electricity during the day -- not the I use the A/C power very often.

You can understand why Brisbane wouldn't want DLS ... after all, Brisbane is as far to the east of Melbourne as Adelaide is as far to the West of Melbourne. In the bigger states there is a large difference in "real time" from West to East.

As for me in Melbourne? I would like DLS all year round and double DLS in Summer. 

It gets dark so early in Winter down here ... that's why I would like it all year round.

I'm referring to it getting dark and miserable in Melbourne by about 5.00 PM in Winter.

I'd therefore prefer to have daylight saving all year round of one hour, and double that in Summer.

Hence, it would not be dark and miserable at 5:00 PM in Winter, but at 6:00 PM instead! 

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:



yes

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 12:29pm:


I think Gympie is just moments ahead of Brisbane when it comes to complete sunset. I don't see complete sunset in Rockhampton until 7pm (post-September 22nd) -- and 7:30pm December to January. But Brisbane does have an early sunset and an early sunrise. That is why SEQld wants daylight savings. That, and the fact that they want another hour of daylight so that they can go swimming at the beach after work.

Quote:


Pfft! You won't find any takers for daylight savings in winter. No chance of going for a swim at the beach during the coldest months. People also want the sun up as soon as possible (15 degrees higher over the horizon compared to daylight savings time) before they have to start work. Too cold in the morning to have the sun just coming up at 7.

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 9:24pm:




Brisbane also received the first sunset due to the angle of the Earth's tilt. The Earth's axis is tilted at 23.5 degrees. This means that the sunset occurs earlier in Brisbane. Sunset occurs in Brisbane 22 minutes before it does in Sydney. Melbourne gets its sunset an hour after Brisbane.

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:


You nong .... you'd be getting up in morning in the dark.

That meme really does apply to you.

Gnads wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:


One does not rise until a civilized hour dear chap. 

Mary Black wrote on Oct 10^th, 2018 at 3:52pm:


Don't sleep much do you.  It's 1.26 am in Minnesota.

It's freakin stupid. Why mess with the time and disrupt everyone's routine just so it's light for another hour? It's dark all night so deal with it. We survived thousands of years before this crap and for ppl that start work early it's good to have light. Especially women who it seems are the ones that usually have to get up early. Oh. That's why.

Spot

Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:25am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 2:51pm:




Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure

On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....

Now ... for those of you who might be fans of Half Life 2


...


G-Man:
Time, Dr. Freeman? Is it really that time again? It seems as if you only just arrived. You've done a great deal in a small time span. You've done so well, in fact, that I've received some interesting offers for your services.

G-Man:
Ordinarily, I wouldn't contemplate them... but these *are* extraordinary times.

G-Man:
Rather than offer you the illusion of free choice, I will take the liberty of choosing for you... if and when your time comes round again. I do apologize for what must seem to you an arbitrary imposition, Dr. Freeman. I trust it will all make sense to you in the course of... well... I'm really not at liberty to say. In the meantime... this is where I get off.



And, for a more musically bent:


Time
Pink Floyd

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.

Home
Home again
I like to be here
When I can
When I come home
Cold and tired
It's good to warm my bones
Beside the fire

Far away
Across the field

Tolling on the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spell

Songwriters: Roger Waters
Time lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc

We poor old Melbournites have to survive in temperature ranges between freezing and 45 + ^oC 

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:


Perhaps these Cairns residents don't get the heat that people 100km southwest of them start to feel. Cairns and Atherton also have more cloudy days than most other places in Qld. I could imagine today's rain period days in Rockhampton as typical of Cairns summer weather. Cool, with little daylight hours due to cloud cover. As a Rockhamptonite, I don't use air conditioning until it gets to 40-degrees celsius or above. That is probably only for a week of the year at a minimum. But I am sure that if our 35-degree plus days had 75% humidity, I would be using air conditioning most of the summer.

I happen to live in a Queenslander. I use my air conditioning sparsely, simply because I have to shut up the lounge to trap whatever cool my 40-year-old air conditioner produces. In other words, it is not worth the effort, other than when we have 40-degree celsius days.

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 3:15pm:


Daylight savings is not an energy saving measure. You are the first person i have ever seen suggest such a thing and it doesnt stand up.

Spot

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:


Nah ... maybe as Victorians they, like many Vic ex-pats that move to our state ...... do nothing but whinge about the necessity for QLD to catch up & change into the same place they left behind. 

You want to talk about lack of intellect ... anyone living in FNQ that does't have AC in this day & age is a dill.

The Atherton tablelands is a different beast to the far north coastal tropics.

Quote:


I like it.......

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:02am:


Studies have shown a 1% reduction in electricity usage in the US, and around 3.5% in New Zealand.

Benjamin Franklin was the guy who came up with the idea of DLS, by the way.

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 10:13am:


What's the point?

We warned them about Trump, but they didn't listen.

We did warn them about the Japanese armada heading for Pearl Harbour but they chose to ignore it.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/pearl-harbour-attack-warnings-were-i...

Dnarever wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 9:02am:


Did happen because of DLS? 

Curtains fade anyway.

To suggest the curtains faded more during DLS is saying that DLS actually creates an extra hour of  daylight.

Mother nature creates the longer daylight in summer & reduces it in winter.

It's the same every year - no extra is created with DLS. FFS.

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2018 at 5:13pm:


Yes it was true.

A woman originally said it on a radio program I believe.

This woman finished work at say 2 pm every day went home and closed her curtains, during DS she is effectivly closing the curtains at 1PM (real time) and exposing the curtains to an additional hour of sunlight each day.

During day light saving her curtains are exposed to an additional hour of sun light in the middle of the day which in fact caused the blinds to fade quicker as you would expect.

People have since assumed as you did and it has been turned into a joke the fact however is that it was true and in fact did happen.

I really don't give a toss what you think about how many times I've posted that meme.

I have re-posted it because it depicts exactly the mentality the pro-DLS proponents are using in their campaign for it's introduction in QLD.

Are you the Meme Police?

It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.

Stig wrote on Oct 15^th, 2018 at 8:50am:


Give the man a cigar

Stig wrote on Oct 15^th, 2018 at 8:50am:


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

Spot

DLS is great for younger people - as you age it progressively becomes a huge pain in the rear.

Stig wrote on Oct 15^th, 2018 at 11:36am:


Electronic payroll transfers happen just after midnight
so not having DLS has no effect on those events.