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Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:15am
 
Now my light is gone in the morning. Stupid daylight savings. Theres no justification for it in this era.

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Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:54am
 
You have it so rough.

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Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:05am
 
Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.
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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:20am
 
Marla wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:54am:



Why don't you get in a plane and go and help the little darlings? Sort out their gov while you're there too.
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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:23am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:20am:
Why don't you get in a plane and go and help the little darlings? Sort out their gov while you're there too.



Why should I do that when the real suffering here is no "light" in the morning?
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Reply #5 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:05am:
Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.   




Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!
In SEQ it would be okay but places like Mt Isa it gets dark at 8pm normal time in summer. DS is no good up there.


All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin
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Reply #6 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:27am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin



No need to speak in code.
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Reply #7 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:33am
 
Marla wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:23am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:20am:
Why don't you get in a plane and go and help the little darlings? Sort out their gov while you're there too.



Why should I do that when the real suffering here is no "light" in the morning?


We have homeless kids here too.
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Reply #8 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:34am
 
Marla wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:27am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin



No need to speak in code.



I'm not. It was a comment made years ago when DS was introduced.
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Reply #9 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:36am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:34am:
I'm not. It was a comment made years ago when DS was introduced.



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Reply #10 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:38am
 
Marla wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:36am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:34am:
I'm not. It was a comment made years ago when DS was introduced.



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Reply #11 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:47am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Pedro Curevo wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:05am:
Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.   




Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!
In SEQ it would be okay but places like Mt Isa it gets dark at 8pm normal time in summer. DS is no good up there.


All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin

more sunlight also destroys the house paint faster Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:06am
 
Marla wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:54am:


So because there are poor kids somewhere according to you im not allowed to be upset about anything else? WTH mate

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Reply #13 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:07am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Pedro Curevo wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:05am:
Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.   




Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!
In SEQ it would be okay but places like Mt Isa it gets dark at 8pm normal time in summer. DS is no good up there.


All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin


As far as i know it wasnt put to a vote anywhere else or it wouldnt be.

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Reply #14 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:10am
 
I loathe daylight saving.... chops an hour out of my sleep... I am NOT a morning person.

Damn - Marla has given a great first line for a song :-

"No light in the morning...."

Anyway - DS' bloody extra hour of daylight causes the gringe to grow faster in the swimming pool.... more power wasted to suck it all out ...
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Reply #15 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:12am
 
Marla wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:54am:


Is that what daylight saving does to Africans?  Wow.... so much more tanned as well... it's a CIA plot, I tellz yez...
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Reply #16 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:27am
 
I lived in a country with no DS - Japan. It was broad daylight at 4:30 AM in August and the only people up and out of bed were the elderly with nothing to do but wander the roads aimlessly.
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AiA wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:27am:
I lived in a country with no DS - Japan. It was broad daylight at 4:30 AM in August and the only people up and out of bed were the elderly with nothing to do but wander the roads aimlessly.


Why not visit the doctor for a chat..... oh.. wait.. people only do that in a Joe Hockey nightmare....
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It was actually the easiest year I've had to cope with DLS. Mostly because I was stuck in the middle of nowhere
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:02am:
It was actually the easiest year I've had to cope with DLS. Mostly because I was stuck in the middle of nowhere


Was an easy year for me too, thanks to the fact that we don't have it in WA   Smiley
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DonDeeHippy wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:47am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Pedro Curevo wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:05am:
Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.   




Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!
In SEQ it would be okay but places like Mt Isa it gets dark at 8pm normal time in summer. DS is no good up there.


All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin

more sunlight also destroys the house paint faster Cheesy


It does not do that - it did however fade the ladies curtains - that is a fact.
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Reply #21 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am
 
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.
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Reply #22 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:37am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.




No problems with the decision, its just you hear the same tired old arguments about it.
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Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 8:07am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Pedro Curevo wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:05am:
Has its sunnyside and its darkside.

Sunnyside you get to have a play in the afteernoon...darkside its a government plot to upset peoples natural circadian rhythm so they walk around half a sleep and vote conservative.   




Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!
In SEQ it would be okay but places like Mt Isa it gets dark at 8pm normal time in summer. DS is no good up there.


All it does is fade the curtains and wreck the milking times for cows.  Grin


As far as i know it wasnt put to a vote anywhere else or it wouldnt be.

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Oh. I just assumed it was.
In that case perhaps it is time for it to be put to the people to decide.
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Reply #25 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink



They tried in 2010 to have one. Something like 60% wanted it.
Was shut down due to regiinal Qld not supporting the bill. But it wasn't for them. It was for SEQ. Bligh said she wouldn't support it due to regional. Go figure. Laingbrook attacked it also.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't work normal hours anyway.
It is very hard for the people trading on the tweed hence it only applied to SEQ, which I can understand.
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Reply #26 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am
 
Bojack Horseman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:37am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.




No problems with the decision, its just you hear the same tired old arguments about it.


The tired arguments are those repeated by the pro-DLS people.

In fact I believe they are the ones who invented the cow & faded curtains BS.
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Reply #27 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink


One was in the mid to late 70's.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink



They tried in 2010 to have one. Something like 60% wanted it.
Was shut down due to regiinal Qld not supporting the bill. But it wasn't for them. It was for SEQ. Bligh said she wouldn't support it due to regional. Go figure. Laingbrook attacked it also.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't work normal hours anyway.
It is very hard for the people trading on the tweed hence it only applied to SEQ, which I can understand.


And the entire state doesn't revolve around "the Tweed"/GC or Brisbane.

As far as only being for SEQ .... where would you draw the line?

I'm on the Fraser Coast 3 hrs north of Brisbane .. we certainly don't need it.

In late spring & summer it's daylight from 4.30 am to 7.00pm.

Adjust your working hours like many do in summer.

It's not all about tourist operators/retailers.
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Reply #29 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:25am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink


One was in the mid to late 70's.


Hmm, I can't find any information on that.

This fact sheet doesn't include it either:

https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/documents/explore/education/factsheets/Factshe...

Maybe it was just a privately run poll back in the '70s   Undecided
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It's a lifetime ago Peccar

I could be mistaken in that the trial ran for 3 years 1989 to 1992 before the referendum.

I was sure there was a trial in the late 70's when I was still playing footy.

Maybe I was just thinking of the devastating beer strike  Shocked
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Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:38am:
It's a lifetime ago Peccar

I could be mistaken in that the trial ran for 3 years 1989 to 1992 before the referendum.

I was sure there was a trial in the late 70's when I was still playing footy.

Maybe I was just thinking of the devastating beer strike  Shocked


Maybe a trial, but no vote   Undecided

Anyway, as long as we don't have another vote here in WA for a while - I'm happy without DLS.

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Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink



They tried in 2010 to have one. Something like 60% wanted it.
Was shut down due to regiinal Qld not supporting the bill. But it wasn't for them. It was for SEQ. Bligh said she wouldn't support it due to regional. Go figure. Laingbrook attacked it also.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't work normal hours anyway.
It is very hard for the people trading on the tweed hence it only applied to SEQ, which I can understand.


And the entire state doesn't revolve around "the Tweed"/GC or Brisbane.

As far as only being for SEQ .... where would you draw the line?

I'm on the Fraser Coast 3 hrs north of Brisbane .. we certainly don't need it.

In late spring & summer it's daylight from 4.30 am to 7.00pm.

Adjust your working hours like many do in summer.

It's not all about tourist operators/retailers.



Pretty sure that is what got it the flick. A boarder within a border.
Construction on the coast was another one suffering as well I think. Like I said it doesn't bother me. My hrs are all over the place.

As you said, adjust your life. Nothing wrong with normal time at all. We've survived this long without it. Most in Nth NSW that I know hate it anyway.
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Reply #33 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:57am
 
Mid North Coast hates it, too.... I still prefer the South Coast, though.... even the cold weather in winter....
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Reply #34 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 12:53pm
 
At least the other states seemed to have had a choice, in SA it was just imposed on us and its back to getting up before the roosters, my curtains are already faded and I have to save up for some more.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:46am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink



They tried in 2010 to have one. Something like 60% wanted it.
Was shut down due to regiinal Qld not supporting the bill. But it wasn't for them. It was for SEQ. Bligh said she wouldn't support it due to regional. Go figure. Laingbrook attacked it also.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't work normal hours anyway.
It is very hard for the people trading on the tweed hence it only applied to SEQ, which I can understand.


And the entire state doesn't revolve around "the Tweed"/GC or Brisbane.

As far as only being for SEQ .... where would you draw the line?

I'm on the Fraser Coast 3 hrs north of Brisbane .. we certainly don't need it.

In late spring & summer it's daylight from 4.30 am to 7.00pm.

Adjust your working hours like many do in summer.

It's not all about tourist operators/retailers.



Pretty sure that is what got it the flick. A boarder within a border.
Construction on the coast was another one suffering as well I think. Like I said it doesn't bother me. My hrs are all over the place.

As you said, adjust your life. Nothing wrong with normal time at all. We've survived this long without it. Most in Nth NSW that I know hate it anyway.



I'm glad you qualified that with an "I think".

I can't see how that hour would affect construction.

Because that's one industry that worked to summertime hours.

Instead of a 7am start they'd start at 6am EST.

Suppliers in QLD worked the same times.

I work irregular hours (day & nights)..... but I can assure you I didn't appreciate my 4.30 - 5 am starts in daylight in summer, being actually at 3.30 to 4 am and back in the dark.
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Reply #36 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 2:26pm
 
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Now my light is gone in the morning. Stupid daylight savings. Theres no justification for it in this era.

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With solar becoming more commonplace, it makes more sense now to implement or continue with Daylight Savings. By shifting the day forward by an hour, you're shifting the network load demand to be in parallel with the level of solar insolation received during the day. For example, if the time sunrise occurs is shifted from approx. 4.30 AM to 5.30 AM, it falls in line more with the time people wake up and create demand on the grid. Likewise, shifting sunset from approx 7.30 PM to 8.30 PM falls more in line with the time people switch off air conditioners and other appliances as they prepare to get ready for bed.

Even if this wasn't a factor, there are other economic benefits, such as a reduction in crime rates and an increase in spending in shops and restaurants. I've never bought the "well I wake up when the sun goes up" argument that farmers often push as a justification for not having Daylight Savings - if your work routine is not governed by what time it is it shouldn't be an issue. Nor should the argument "we've had x referendums on the issue and the majority voted no" be a justification, particularly if the referendums were held more than 10 years ago.

Ultimately, the issue would be best resolved if Daylight Savings was governed by the Federal Government and not individual states - either every state has it or no states have it at all to at least maintain unity between time zones.
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Reply #37 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 2:28pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:46am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink



They tried in 2010 to have one. Something like 60% wanted it.
Was shut down due to regiinal Qld not supporting the bill. But it wasn't for them. It was for SEQ. Bligh said she wouldn't support it due to regional. Go figure. Laingbrook attacked it also.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't work normal hours anyway.
It is very hard for the people trading on the tweed hence it only applied to SEQ, which I can understand.


And the entire state doesn't revolve around "the Tweed"/GC or Brisbane.

As far as only being for SEQ .... where would you draw the line?

I'm on the Fraser Coast 3 hrs north of Brisbane .. we certainly don't need it.

In late spring & summer it's daylight from 4.30 am to 7.00pm.

Adjust your working hours like many do in summer.

It's not all about tourist operators/retailers.



Pretty sure that is what got it the flick. A boarder within a border.
Construction on the coast was another one suffering as well I think. Like I said it doesn't bother me. My hrs are all over the place.

As you said, adjust your life. Nothing wrong with normal time at all. We've survived this long without it. Most in Nth NSW that I know hate it anyway.



I'm glad you qualified that with an "I think".

I can't see how that hour would affect construction.

Because that's one industry that worked to summertime hours.

Instead of a 7am start they'd start at 6am EST.

Suppliers in QLD worked the same times.

I work irregular hours (day & nights)..... but I can assure you I didn't appreciate my 4.30 - 5 am starts in daylight in summer, being actually at 3.30 to 4 am and back in the dark.



No. The suppliers for materials. Not the workers.
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Reply #38 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 3:19pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 2:28pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 1:00pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:46am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:40am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink



They tried in 2010 to have one. Something like 60% wanted it.
Was shut down due to regiinal Qld not supporting the bill. But it wasn't for them. It was for SEQ. Bligh said she wouldn't support it due to regional. Go figure. Laingbrook attacked it also.

Wouldn't bother me. I don't work normal hours anyway.
It is very hard for the people trading on the tweed hence it only applied to SEQ, which I can understand.


And the entire state doesn't revolve around "the Tweed"/GC or Brisbane.

As far as only being for SEQ .... where would you draw the line?

I'm on the Fraser Coast 3 hrs north of Brisbane .. we certainly don't need it.

In late spring & summer it's daylight from 4.30 am to 7.00pm.

Adjust your working hours like many do in summer.

It's not all about tourist operators/retailers.



Pretty sure that is what got it the flick. A boarder within a border.
Construction on the coast was another one suffering as well I think. Like I said it doesn't bother me. My hrs are all over the place.

As you said, adjust your life. Nothing wrong with normal time at all. We've survived this long without it. Most in Nth NSW that I know hate it anyway.



I'm glad you qualified that with an "I think".

I can't see how that hour would affect construction.

Because that's one industry that worked to summertime hours.

Instead of a 7am start they'd start at 6am EST.

Suppliers in QLD worked the same times.

I work irregular hours (day & nights)..... but I can assure you I didn't appreciate my 4.30 - 5 am starts in daylight in summer, being actually at 3.30 to 4 am and back in the dark.



No. The suppliers for materials. Not the workers.


That's what I was referring to when I said suppliers.

And if supplies that may come from interstate can't be ordered in the 7hrs out an 8 hour day .... most work longer ... then they are bloody useless. One hour makes SFA difference.
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Reply #39 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 3:28pm
 
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:15am:
Now my light is gone in the morning. Stupid daylight savings. Theres no justification for it in this era.

Spot


With solar becoming more commonplace, it makes more sense now to implement or continue with Daylight Savings. By shifting the day forward by an hour, you're shifting the network load demand to be in parallel with the level of solar insolation received during the day. For example, if the time sunrise occurs is shifted from approx. 4.30 AM to 5.30 AM, it falls in line more with the time people wake up and create demand on the grid. Likewise, shifting sunset from approx 7.30 PM to 8.30 PM falls more in line with the time people switch off air conditioners and other appliances as they prepare to get ready for bed.

Even if this wasn't a factor, there are other economic benefits, such as a reduction in crime rates and an increase in spending in shops and restaurants. I've never bought the "well I wake up when the sun goes up" argument that farmers often push as a justification for not having Daylight Savings - if your work routine is not governed by what time it is it shouldn't be an issue. Nor should the argument "we've had x referendums on the issue and the majority voted no" be a justification, particularly if the referendums were held more than 10 years ago.

Ultimately, the issue would be best resolved if Daylight Savings was governed by the Federal Government and not individual states - either every state has it or no states have it at all to at least maintain unity between time zones.


It has nothing to do with solar load - sounds like curtains to me

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Nothing changes for me. It was hot here today though ... 27C ...
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OddSocks wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 3:42pm:
Nothing changes for me. It was hot here today though ... 27C ...



Overcast and raining here for a few days - weather holding at around 20 deg C - good start for Spring.... hope it holds until Summer... it's warm enough for my bananas to recover from frost but cool enough to not be pouring sweat... and the ocean's warm .... the extra hour of daylight should bring the bananas along fast...
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Reply #42 - Oct 9th, 2018 at 4:25am
 
minarchist wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 5:15am:
Now my light is gone in the morning. Stupid daylight savings. Theres no justification for it in this era.

Spot


With solar becoming more commonplace, it makes more sense now to implement or continue with Daylight Savings. By shifting the day forward by an hour, you're shifting the network load demand to be in parallel with the level of solar insolation received during the day. For example, if the time sunrise occurs is shifted from approx. 4.30 AM to 5.30 AM, it falls in line more with the time people wake up and create demand on the grid. Likewise, shifting sunset from approx 7.30 PM to 8.30 PM falls more in line with the time people switch off air conditioners and other appliances as they prepare to get ready for bed.

Even if this wasn't a factor, there are other economic benefits, such as a reduction in crime rates and an increase in spending in shops and restaurants. I've never bought the "well I wake up when the sun goes up" argument that farmers often push as a justification for not having Daylight Savings - if your work routine is not governed by what time it is it shouldn't be an issue. Nor should the argument "we've had x referendums on the issue and the majority voted no" be a justification, particularly if the referendums were held more than 10 years ago.

Ultimately, the issue would be best resolved if Daylight Savings was governed by the Federal Government and not individual states - either every state has it or no states have it at all to at least maintain unity between time zones.


I would go for walks during the winter. The sun starting to come up around 5am. It probably comes up around 4:30am now. The longest days, the sun starts to come up around 4am. "Sun starts to come up" meaning that the first daylight hours are upon us.

But that is not really the issue for me. I work in a restaurant. We have noted that the summer work hours get put back an hour to compensate for the sunsets going from near 6pm to 7pm. That means that our restaurant orders come in an hour later. With peak demand, we have to keep more staff back an hour to make sure that the late shift do not get burdened too much with clean up near closing. How it works is that we have to have staff on hand to deal with the 4 to 5pm orders. But there is not a great deal of work to do at the time. From 6 to 7pm, our orders are increased considerably, with peak period not ending until 8 to 9pm -- depending if there is an event on television that night.

Imagine running a restaurant business that gets most of their customers at night. You have to adjust according to the seasons. But with daylight savings, you not only have to deal with shifting sunsets, but the fact is that customers will come in an average of another hour later. And though we get the "it's too hot to cook dinner" customers coming in, the reality is that we have to be burdened with exacerbated peak demand of customers, rather than having to deal with the same amount of customers over another hour of opening hours.

And apart from that, Queensland is too hot and/or humid to have daylight savings. Imagine trying to get your children to bed at 8pm with the sun still out. Or the 2pm sun on the skins of children riding their bikes home from school at the 3pm time on the clock.

I can't see how farmers would be affected by daylight savings, either. Instead of getting up at 4am, they get up at 5am. Instead of finishing the day at 7pm, they finish at 8pm. Or however it is that farmers work.

As for power usage from solar panels, the load of electricity usage is not going to be impacted by moving the clocks forward. You are likely to use power to cook your meals when the sun goes down. I would likely use my air conditioner an hour before I usually would with daylight savings. Then I would switch off at dusk. Meaning, I would still use more electricity during the day -- not the I use the A/C power very often.
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Bottom line is you cannot "save" daylight

it is what it is summer or winter

longer & shorter

changing the clock is an Irish way of pretending

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You can understand why Brisbane wouldn't want DLS ... after all, Brisbane is as far to the east of Melbourne as Adelaide is as far to the West of Melbourne. In the bigger states there is a large difference in "real time" from West to East.

As for me in Melbourne? I would like DLS all year round and double DLS in Summer.  Cool
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You can understand why Brisbane wouldn't want DLS ... after all, Brisbane is as far to the east of Melbourne as Adelaide is as far to the West of Melbourne. In the bigger states there is a large difference in "real time" from West to East.

As for me in Melbourne? I would like DLS all year round and double DLS in Summer.  Cool


Brisbane & the GC & some of the Sunshine Coast want DLS.

I can tell you I know a couple of Melbournites that detest DLS.

You have a natural summer twilight until nearly 9pm ...Why would you want it light until 10pm with DLS? Roll Eyes 

btw that meme I posted ... the Indian is talking to you. Wink
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It gets dark so early in Winter down here ... that's why I would like it all year round.
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It gets dark so early in Winter down here ... that's why I would like it all year round.


How does that work when the daylight hours are naturally shorter?

It doesn't just get darker earlier(like it does all over the country/globe).

It get's light later.

You really are Irish.  Roll Eyes
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I'm referring to it getting dark and miserable in Melbourne by about 5.00 PM in Winter.

I'd therefore prefer to have daylight saving all year round of one hour, and double that in Summer.

Hence, it would not be dark and miserable at 5:00 PM in Winter, but at 6:00 PM instead!  Smiley


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You're an old man so what difference does it make to you?

Getting down the beach after work and taking the kids for a late surf is the best.
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I'd therefore prefer to have daylight saving all year round of one hour, and double that in Summer.






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We have voluntary daylight saving here in WA.

If you want daylight saving, you get out of bed earlier, no need for the government holding your hand.

Its the most sensible policy.
Mind you the labor scum tried to force it on us, but the people voted and booted it out.

Daylight saving is a misnomer as well, nothing is saved.
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miketrees wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
We have voluntary daylight saving here in WA.

If you want daylight saving, you get out of bed earlier, no need for the government holding your hand.

Its the most sensible policy.
Mind you the labor scum tried to force it on us, but the people voted and booted it out.

Daylight saving is a misnomer as well, nothing is saved.
It should be called photon foolishness


Exactly.

I've been starting work between 6 and 7am for years now.

I'm in sync with my eastern states colleagues, and I'm home by 3pm.

Works great!

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Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 12:29pm:
You can understand why Brisbane wouldn't want DLS ... after all, Brisbane is as far to the east of Melbourne as Adelaide is as far to the West of Melbourne. In the bigger states there is a large difference in "real time" from West to East.


I think Gympie is just moments ahead of Brisbane when it comes to complete sunset. I don't see complete sunset in Rockhampton until 7pm (post-September 22nd) -- and 7:30pm December to January. But Brisbane does have an early sunset and an early sunrise. That is why SEQld wants daylight savings. That, and the fact that they want another hour of daylight so that they can go swimming at the beach after work.

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Pfft! You won't find any takers for daylight savings in winter. No chance of going for a swim at the beach during the coldest months. People also want the sun up as soon as possible (15 degrees higher over the horizon compared to daylight savings time) before they have to start work. Too cold in the morning to have the sun just coming up at 7.
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But Brisbane does have an early sunset and an early sunrise. That is why SEQld wants daylight savings. That, and the fact that they want another hour of daylight so that they can go swimming at the beach after work.


Brisbane is so far east that the sun rises at 4-44am in December. That means that it is starting to get light before 4am. That is insane.

I love 6 months of daylight saving.
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The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
But Brisbane does have an early sunset and an early sunrise. That is why SEQld wants daylight savings. That, and the fact that they want another hour of daylight so that they can go swimming at the beach after work.


Brisbane is so far east that the sun rises at 4-44am in December. That means that it is starting to get light before 4am. That is insane.




Brisbane also received the first sunset due to the angle of the Earth's tilt. The Earth's axis is tilted at 23.5 degrees. This means that the sunset occurs earlier in Brisbane. Sunset occurs in Brisbane 22 minutes before it does in Sydney. Melbourne gets its sunset an hour after Brisbane.
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Gnads wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:31am:
DLS debate raises it's ugly head every year in QLD.

2 trials - 2 referendums - twice the vote was "NO".

Accept the umpires decision or move south of the border.


I didn't know they had two referendums.

One was in 1992 - when was the other?

1992 was over a quarter of a century ago, so maybe it's time a new generation had a say on the matter.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of DLS - if they never have another referendum on it, it would suit me fine.

We've had four here in WA, with the last one being in 2009.

That received a 55% 'No' vote.

I'm good with that   Wink

I dread it when DLS arrives, I have NEVER liked it, and I know a lot don't here in Victoria, so why are we not having a current referendum to see if we still want it or not, rather than just keep it going and going???
It's time for a change! I would love for Victoria to have a referendum for the 'now' generations and see what the vote would be.

I would also love to have a summer of normal time, and it's stupid having daylight to 9 pm.  Angry
Both my kids were born in the manipulated DLS time, and I still can't fathom it as a true or correct time of their births.

We need to vote on it whether we still want it or not in Victoria!


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I'm referring to it getting dark and miserable in Melbourne by about 5.00 PM in Winter.

I'd therefore prefer to have daylight saving all year round of one hour, and double that in Summer.

Hence, it would not be dark and miserable at 5:00 PM in Winter, but at 6:00 PM instead!  Smiley




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UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
But Brisbane does have an early sunset and an early sunrise. That is why SEQld wants daylight savings. That, and the fact that they want another hour of daylight so that they can go swimming at the beach after work.


Brisbane is so far east that the sun rises at 4-44am in December. That means that it is starting to get light before 4am. That is insane.

I love 6 months of daylight saving.


No it's not ... it's nature & has been doing that for eternity.

You can still lay in when it's getting light or you can use it to exercise or play 9 before work.

It's not dark until after 7pm ... what more do you need?

FAAAAAAAAAAARK DLS.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:00pm:
I'm referring to it getting dark and miserable in Melbourne by about 5.00 PM in Winter.

I'd therefore prefer to have daylight saving all year round of one hour, and double that in Summer.

Hence, it would not be dark and miserable at 5:00 PM in Winter, but at 6:00 PM instead!  Smiley




You nong .... you'd be getting up in morning in the dark.

That meme really does apply to you.


One does not rise until a civilized hour dear chap.  Wink
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We do it here too. About to turn the clocks back. Just as well I am retired.
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We do it here too. About to turn the clocks back. Just as well I am retired.


Don't sleep much do you.  It's 1.26 am in Minnesota.
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Mary Black wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
We do it here too. About to turn the clocks back. Just as well I am retired.


Don't sleep much do you.  It's 1.26 am in Minnesota.


Yeah, well you have to change the clocks at 2am, don't you?

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It's freakin stupid. Why mess with the time and disrupt everyone's routine just so it's light for another hour? It's dark all night so deal with it. We survived thousands of years before this crap and for ppl that start work early it's good to have light. Especially women who it seems are the ones that usually have to get up early. Oh. That's why.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:39pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:28pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 9th, 2018 at 6:00pm:
I'm referring to it getting dark and miserable in Melbourne by about 5.00 PM in Winter.

I'd therefore prefer to have daylight saving all year round of one hour, and double that in Summer.

Hence, it would not be dark and miserable at 5:00 PM in Winter, but at 6:00 PM instead!  Smiley




You nong .... you'd be getting up in morning in the dark.

That meme really does apply to you.


One does not rise until a civilized hour dear chap.  Wink


Well Old Bean rising an hour earlier than your civilised  hour makes it an uncivilised hour does it not?

Mind games (pretending by putting the clocks forward) does not validate your lifestyle choice  Tongue
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Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland





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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland







Queenslanders arent the ones that are trying to change the time

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland







Queenslanders arent the ones that are trying to change the time

Spot




DESPITE this, Queenslanders are the ones being left behind

Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure




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Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure


Having the air conditioning on for an hour longer does NOT save energy.
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On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....

Now ... for those of you who might be fans of Half Life 2


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G-Man:
Time, Dr. Freeman? Is it really that time again? It seems as if you only just arrived. You've done a great deal in a small time span. You've done so well, in fact, that I've received some interesting offers for your services.

G-Man:
Ordinarily, I wouldn't contemplate them... but these *are* extraordinary times.

G-Man:
Rather than offer you the illusion of free choice, I will take the liberty of choosing for you... if and when your time comes round again. I do apologize for what must seem to you an arbitrary imposition, Dr. Freeman. I trust it will all make sense to you in the course of... well... I'm really not at liberty to say. In the meantime... this is where I get off.



And, for a more musically bent:


Time
Pink Floyd

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.

Home
Home again
I like to be here
When I can
When I come home
Cold and tired
It's good to warm my bones
Beside the fire

Far away
Across the field

Tolling on the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spell

Songwriters: Roger Waters
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UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure


Having the air conditioning on for an hour longer does NOT save energy.




Air conditioning ?

Have you looked into passive cooling design architecture (think "The Queenslander") so you can finally move out of that iron shipping container ?

I have two rellies in Cairns - and one out on the Atherton
None of these see a desperate need for "aircon"
Maybe as Victorians, they're a little hardier?



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We poor old Melbournites have to survive in temperature ranges between freezing and 45 + oShocked

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Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.
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buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 5:45pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure


Having the air conditioning on for an hour longer does NOT save energy.


Air conditioning ?

Have you looked into passive cooling design architecture (think "The Queenslander") so you can finally move out of that iron shipping container ?

I have two rellies in Cairns - and one out on the Atherton
None of these see a desperate need for "aircon"
Maybe as Victorians, they're a little hardier?


Perhaps these Cairns residents don't get the heat that people 100km southwest of them start to feel. Cairns and Atherton also have more cloudy days than most other places in Qld. I could imagine today's rain period days in Rockhampton as typical of Cairns summer weather. Cool, with little daylight hours due to cloud cover. As a Rockhamptonite, I don't use air conditioning until it gets to 40-degrees celsius or above. That is probably only for a week of the year at a minimum. But I am sure that if our 35-degree plus days had 75% humidity, I would be using air conditioning most of the summer.

I happen to live in a Queenslander. I use my air conditioning sparsely, simply because I have to shut up the lounge to trap whatever cool my 40-year-old air conditioner produces. In other words, it is not worth the effort, other than when we have 40-degree celsius days.
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We poor old Melbournites have to survive in temperature ranges between freezing and 45 + oShocked


So do us Rockhamptonites. But we Rockhamptonites are more likely to see 45 degree days than Melburnians. And likewise for Melburnians seeing more freezing days than Rockhamptonites.
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buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland







Queenslanders arent the ones that are trying to change the time

Spot




DESPITE this, Queenslanders are the ones being left behind

Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure






Daylight savings is not an energy saving measure. You are the first person i have ever seen suggest such a thing and it doesnt stand up.

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buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland



How does it save energy?  Grin

As for unity ... are you speaking of "sheeple unity".

And despite DLS time on the eastern seaboard there are still time zone differentials across the rest of the country .....

so it sounds just like the attitude displayed by the SE corner of QLD ..... you all think the world revolves around you.

If there is an intellect problem regarding opposition to DLS in QLD .... I'd say the ball lays squarely in the court of those who think altering the clock "saves" daylight.

Even sillier is the suggestion that DLS saves energy. Roll Eyes Grin
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buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 5:45pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:13pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
Almost all of the rest of the WORLD moves to daylight saving time - over the summer months - as an energy saving measure


Having the air conditioning on for an hour longer does NOT save energy.




Air conditioning ?

Have you looked into passive cooling design architecture (think "The Queenslander") so you can finally move out of that iron shipping container ?

I have two rellies in Cairns - and one out on the Atherton
None of these see a desperate need for "aircon"
Maybe as Victorians, they're a little hardier?





Nah ... maybe as Victorians they, like many Vic ex-pats that move to our state ...... do nothing but whinge about the necessity for QLD to catch up & change into the same place they left behind.  Roll Eyes

You want to talk about lack of intellect ... anyone living in FNQ that does't have AC in this day & age is a dill.

The Atherton tablelands is a different beast to the far north coastal tropics.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.
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Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.
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Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Studies have shown a 1% reduction in electricity usage in the US, and around 3.5% in New Zealand.

Benjamin Franklin was the guy who came up with the idea of DLS, by the way.

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Speaking of different time zones ...

I'm reminded of the most inane remark ever recorded in human history ...

True story:

Just after the 9-11 twin tower tragic attack ... a US woman said something along the lines of:


"If you Australians knew about this attack hours before we did here in America ... why the hell didn't you warn us!!!!?"


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Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 10:13am:
Speaking of different time zones ...

I'm reminded of the most inane remark ever recorded in human history ...

True story:

Just after the 9-11 twin tower tragic attack ... a US woman said something along the lines of:


"If you Australians knew about this attack hours before we did here in America ... why the hell didn't you warn us!!!!?"


Huh


What's the point?

We warned them about Trump, but they didn't listen.

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Reply #86 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 10:27am
 
We did warn them about the Japanese armada heading for Pearl Harbour but they chose to ignore it.

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Reply #87 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
Yes, well Ajax, that may well be ... but the point I was making was that the East coast of Australia is 15 hours ahead of New York, NY, USA ... but of course, we were seeing the attack on the Twin towers as it happened, not 15 hours ahead of time ...

but ... explaining this seems to lose the impact of the point I was making about the inane remark by the person in the US.  Wink
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Reply #88 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:13pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Grin Did happen because of DLS?  Grin

Curtains fade anyway.

To suggest the curtains faded more during DLS is saying that DLS actually creates an extra hour of  daylight.

Mother nature creates the longer daylight in summer & reduces it in winter.

It's the same every year - no extra is created with DLS. FFS. Roll Eyes
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Reply #89 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Studies have shown a 1% reduction in electricity usage in the US, and around 3.5% in New Zealand.

Benjamin Franklin was the guy who came up with the idea of DLS, by the way.



How & why?
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Reply #90 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:13pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Grin Did happen because of DLS?  Grin

Curtains fade anyway.

To suggest the curtains faded more during DLS is saying that DLS actually creates an extra hour of  daylight.

Mother nature creates the longer daylight in summer & reduces it in winter.

It's the same every year - no extra is created with DLS. FFS. Roll Eyes


Yes it was true.

A woman originally said it on a radio program I believe.

This woman finished work at say 2 pm every day went home and closed her curtains, during DS she is effectivly closing the curtains at 1PM (real time) and exposing the curtains to an additional hour of sunlight each day.

During day light saving her curtains are exposed to an additional hour of sun light in the middle of the day which in fact caused the blinds to fade quicker as you would expect.

People have since assumed as you did and it has been turned into a joke the fact however is that it was true and in fact did happen.


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Reply #91 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 12:41am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:22am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland



How does it save energy?  Grin

As for unity ... are you speaking of "sheeple unity".

And despite DLS time on the eastern seaboard there are still time zone differentials across the rest of the country .....

so it sounds just like the attitude displayed by the SE corner of QLD ..... you all think the world revolves around you.

If there is an intellect problem regarding opposition to DLS in QLD .... I'd say the ball lays squarely in the court of those who think altering the clock "saves" daylight.

Even sillier is the suggestion that DLS saves energy. Roll Eyes Grin


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Reply #92 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 7:09am
 
I really don't give a toss what you think about how many times I've posted that meme.

I have re-posted it because it depicts exactly the mentality the pro-DLS proponents are using in their campaign for it's introduction in QLD.

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Reply #93 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 7:47am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Studies have shown a 1% reduction in electricity usage in the US, and around 3.5% in New Zealand.

Benjamin Franklin was the guy who came up with the idea of DLS, by the way.



How & why?


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Reply #94 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am
 
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.
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Disruption to business?

They've had to deal with different time zones forever.
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Reply #96 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.



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Reply #97 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Disruption to business?

They've had to deal with different time zones forever.


I'm talking about within their own timezone. Things like payroll are often set to standard hours, and trying to shift the whole thing can be a lot of work.
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Reply #98 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

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Reply #99 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 6:14pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

Spot


Common sense tells you that not many people are up long before 6, and they're certainly not on the roads. Whereas almost everyone is awake in the late afternoon.
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Reply #100 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
DLS is great for younger people - as you age it progressively becomes a huge pain in the rear.
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Reply #101 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 7:04am
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

Spot


Common sense tells you that not many people are up long before 6, and they're certainly not on the roads. Whereas almost everyone is awake in the late afternoon.


Common sense? Hahaha

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Reply #102 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 11:36am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Disruption to business?

They've had to deal with different time zones forever.


I'm talking about within their own timezone. Things like payroll are often set to standard hours, and trying to shift the whole thing can be a lot of work.


Electronic payroll transfers happen just after midnight
so not having DLS has no effect on those events.
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