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Reply #90 - Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:13pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Grin Did happen because of DLS?  Grin

Curtains fade anyway.

To suggest the curtains faded more during DLS is saying that DLS actually creates an extra hour of  daylight.

Mother nature creates the longer daylight in summer & reduces it in winter.

It's the same every year - no extra is created with DLS. FFS. Roll Eyes


Yes it was true.

A woman originally said it on a radio program I believe.

This woman finished work at say 2 pm every day went home and closed her curtains, during DS she is effectivly closing the curtains at 1PM (real time) and exposing the curtains to an additional hour of sunlight each day.

During day light saving her curtains are exposed to an additional hour of sun light in the middle of the day which in fact caused the blinds to fade quicker as you would expect.

People have since assumed as you did and it has been turned into a joke the fact however is that it was true and in fact did happen.


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Reply #91 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 12:41am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:22am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 1:46pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 6:25am:
Wasn't it put to a vote?
Here in Qld we said NO!




In 60 odd years of modern era daylight saving in mainstream Australia - I've always believed that this opposition to unity and energy saving measures has always been tied to intellect - or more to the point - general lack OF it

Just have a look at where it all COMES from

Gough Whitlam once said of Joh Bjelke-Peterson- "He can't even agree on the time of day"
You'd almost think that Queenslanders and Australians were different races, sometimes

It never seems to occur to Queenslanders that their obstinance is costing them two hours of commerce time, per day, with the mainland



How does it save energy?  Grin

As for unity ... are you speaking of "sheeple unity".

And despite DLS time on the eastern seaboard there are still time zone differentials across the rest of the country .....

so it sounds just like the attitude displayed by the SE corner of QLD ..... you all think the world revolves around you.

If there is an intellect problem regarding opposition to DLS in QLD .... I'd say the ball lays squarely in the court of those who think altering the clock "saves" daylight.

Even sillier is the suggestion that DLS saves energy. Roll Eyes Grin


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Reply #92 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 7:09am
 
I really don't give a toss what you think about how many times I've posted that meme.

I have re-posted it because it depicts exactly the mentality the pro-DLS proponents are using in their campaign for it's introduction in QLD.

Are you the Meme Police?
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Reply #93 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 7:47am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 9:02am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 14th, 2018 at 6:34am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 12th, 2018 at 4:24pm:
On the other hand, you might turn off the Aircon effectively an hour earlier (when going to bed). Depending on the noise factor involved?

Actually: on second thoughts ... it makes no difference really.

If you arrive home at X hour and go to bed at X +hours ... then the time interval for the Aircon is the same with or without DLS....


If I get up on a daylight savings day, I will put my fans on anytime after 9am. Effectively, that means I would be putting the fans on at 8am normal time. The days goes on and I leave the fans on an average hour longer than I would during normal non-DLS time. The lights for my house go on by the later afternoon, and does so regardless of what time sunset occur. Lights do not cost nearly as much as air conditioning and fans. The argument that not switching on lights until an hour later does not add up to savings.


That's exactly right .... you switch your lights on when it's dark .... regardless of DLS which makes no difference.

In fact if you are an early starter say  4 or 5 am .... with DLS you're getting up in the dark in summer so have to turn on lights.

The saving energy argument is as stupid as the curtains fading or the milking cows being confused lines.


However originally power saving was one of the arguments in favour of DS.

The difference between one family member turning on a light or two for 20 minutes does not compete well with the whole family having every light and device running. I suspect that the big difference today is cooling which was not originally in the mix to any extent.

The savings are now known to be minimal but I suspect that originally there were savings.

The curtains fading story was actually correct - it did happen.


Studies have shown a 1% reduction in electricity usage in the US, and around 3.5% in New Zealand.

Benjamin Franklin was the guy who came up with the idea of DLS, by the way.



How & why?


http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html
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Reply #94 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am
 
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.
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Reply #95 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 10:52am
 
Disruption to business?

They've had to deal with different time zones forever.
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Reply #96 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.



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Reply #97 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Disruption to business?

They've had to deal with different time zones forever.


I'm talking about within their own timezone. Things like payroll are often set to standard hours, and trying to shift the whole thing can be a lot of work.
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Reply #98 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

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Reply #99 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 6:14pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

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Common sense tells you that not many people are up long before 6, and they're certainly not on the roads. Whereas almost everyone is awake in the late afternoon.
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Reply #100 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
DLS is great for younger people - as you age it progressively becomes a huge pain in the rear.
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Reply #101 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 7:04am
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 6:14pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 8:50am:
It's pretty easy really.

There are a comparatively small number of people up at between 4-6am. Literally everyone bar shift workers are awake at 6-8pm

It makes more sense to have daylight available when these people are awake and productive, and doing things like driving.

Whether it's done by flexible work hours or DST doesn't matter - but given the disruption to business DST is probably the easier choice.


Got any stats to back that up because IMO about half of people get up early. Not everyone is a lazy layabout.

Spot


Common sense tells you that not many people are up long before 6, and they're certainly not on the roads. Whereas almost everyone is awake in the late afternoon.


Common sense? Hahaha

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Reply #102 - Oct 16th, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
Stig wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 11:36am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Disruption to business?

They've had to deal with different time zones forever.


I'm talking about within their own timezone. Things like payroll are often set to standard hours, and trying to shift the whole thing can be a lot of work.


Electronic payroll transfers happen just after midnight
so not having DLS has no effect on those events.
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