polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 7:20pm:


Gandalf, what are these wishy washy western liberal values?

For a bloke who "says" that Australia is already part of Islam, he needn't be concerned.

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 6^th, 2018 at 10:00am:




Karnal,


Would that be the   Freeeedom    not to be murdered or imprisoned when you 'disagree' ?


Quote:
https://www.meforum.org/articles/2018/iraqis-channel-metoo-after-high-profile-women-mu





e.g. Turkey too.

Google;
everyone who disagrees with erdogan is a terrorist

erdogan, all dissent outlawed

erdogan, crushes alternative opinion

Yadda wrote on Oct 7^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:


Or placing in 'administrative detention' those with whom we don't agree???

freediver wrote on Oct 7^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:


We can have both by placing them all in administrative detention, no?

Justice and liberty. Freeeedom, innit.

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 12:01am:


The same line of thinking as Hitler and the Jews.

Yadda wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 5:36pm:



Yep, that's Forrest runnin' with an idea only he can conceive of.

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:12pm:


Sure, sounds like Hitler!

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2018 at 6:29pm:


And your point?

freediver wrote on Oct 6^th, 2018 at 7:22am:


Basically, all the things you do that involves ditching your most sacred values in order to pursue your bigoted and racist agenda - and then pretend its actually being done in the name of those values you are ditching.

Off the top of my head:
- find all sorts of excuses to apologise and/or subtly promote the banning of particular head dresses
- incessantly attack anyone who stands up for the rights of particular minorities - and completely ignore the fact that they are merely acting upon what you always insist you stand for
- pretend to bravely take a stand against the "politically correct nazi's" world view (a favourite of faux freedom lovers) - by engaging in a distinctly anti-intellectual and outright dishonest debate about (for example) Islamic history - involving cherry picking sources and outright lying about the facts
- valorise bigots and white supremacists who cynically wield the old "my freedoms are under attack!" furphy - and pretend its all in the name of protecting freedom. And then do the exact opposite when anyone from particular minorities do the same
- demonise particular outspoken members of minorities, to the extent of remaining silent and subtly enable blatantly racist attacks against them, and calls to strip away their human rights.
- hold up your ignorance of actual intellectual debates as some kind of badge of honour, as if its somehow "sticking it to" the politically correct "so called" experts. Proudly declaring, for example, that you don't need to understand anything written by an actual scholar of Islamic history to understand "common sense" and "the bleeding obvious", and deriding any historian who contradicts your bigoted views - even one who is leading in his field, and virtually undisputed amongst scholars - with mocking terms like "esteemed gentlemen"

Stuff like that...

How do the Saudis promote their religious views?


By investing heavily in building mosques, madrasas, schools, and Sunni cultural centers across the Muslim world.

Indian intelligence says that in India alone, from 2011 to 2013, some 25,000 Saudi clerics arrived bearing more than $250 million to build mosques and universities and hold seminars. "We are talking about thousands and thousands of activist organizations and preachers who are in the Saudi sphere of influence," said Usama Hasan, a researcher in Islamic studies.

These institutions and clerics preach the specifically Saudi version of Sunni Islam, the extreme fundamentalist strain known as Wahhabism or Salafism.

What is Wahhabism?




LINK

Australia, Ethiopia, Brazil

that's where we're ranked

selling arable land

The joke is that Australia has very limited arable land

but it's gone

Sold

Oz was sold

And who bought Australia's irreplaceable arable land?

China and Middle East, primarily


Saudis bought and are still buying farms in Eyre Peninsula

paying top money

Do we factor in those 'honorable members'/politicians who've been messing around with Australia's limited water?

Well I do

So there we have it

Australia as the beggar, selling itself alongside Ethiopia and Brazil

The farm can never be bought back

Then factor in the billions expended by the Saudis on The Promotion of the Spread of Islam (virulent Wahhabism) in the West

Few years ago, the Chasers or someone held a joke poll of Americans on the street.  The Americans were asked to point out Australia on the world map

Funniest was when Americans agreed that mainland Australia was, yes it was, North Korea.  And they agreed that Tasmania was South Korea

Choices, choices for the denizens of the Lucky Country.  To work for slave wages for their Chinese and Saudi overlords on foreign farms on what once was Australian soil

or run off to Tasmania to live in the bush

LINK

Quote:



6:125 So whoever allah wants to guide - he expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - he makes his breast tight and constricted as though he were climbing into the sky. Thus does allah place defilement upon those who do not believe.

10.100 : No soul can believe,except by the will of allah, and he will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

13.027 : The Unbelievers say: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his lord?" Say: "Truly allah leaveth, to stray, whom he will; But he guideth to himself those who turn to him in penitence,

13:33-34 allah leads disbelievers astry while he torments them in this life. Then afterh they die, he makes them suffer even more pain in the doom of the Hereafter.

14.004 : We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now allah leaves straying those whom he pleases and guides whom he pleases: and he is exalted in power, full of wisdom.

14:27 allah keeps firm those who believe, with the firm word, in worldly life and in the Hereafter. And allah sends astray the wrongdoers. And allah does what He wills.

17.046 : And we put coverings over their hearts (and minds) lest they should understand the qur'an, and deafness into their ears: when thou dost commemorate thy lord and him alone in the qur'an, they turn on their backs, fleeing (from the truth).

16.093 : If allah so willed, he could make you all one people: But he leaves straying whom he pleases, and he guides whom he pleases: but ye shall certainly be called to account for all your actions. 

17:97 And whoever allah guides - he is the [rightly] guided; and whoever he sends astray - you will never find for them protectors besides him, and We will gather them on the Day of Resurrection [fallen] on their faces - blind, dumb and deaf. Their refuge is hell; every time it subsides We increase them in blazing fire. 

18.057 : And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the signs of his lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily we have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.

19.083 : Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the unbelievers, to incite them with fury?

27.004 : As to those who believe not in the hereafter, we have made their deeds pleasing in their eyes; and so they wander about in distraction.

32;13 If we had so willed, we could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the word from me will come true, "I will fill hell with jinns and men all together."

Now I know I'm an islamophobe, but I could swear that allah is telling us that he is a racist and bigot.

After all he chooses who he will let believe then he persecutes those he made disbelieve.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:



M'kay?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 9^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:


They are not values Gandalf. Do you know what the word means?

freediver wrote on Oct 13^th, 2018 at 8:21am:


freeeedom is a value. Its a corruption of actual freedom.

Thats the value you corrupt - as I just explained in a fair amount of detail.

Sorry FD, when did I say that?