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Reply #15 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 10:54am
 
So that's a yes? You will spend the whole thread running away from your own opinion?

How do you know that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terrorism problem if you don't know which category it is in?
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Reply #16 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 10:58am
 


For those who are interested, these are the terrorism categories I invented:

- Jihadist terrorism

- Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorism

- Left-wing and anarchist terrorism

- Right-wing terrorism

- Single-issue terrorism.

Nah, just kidding - those are the official categories used by Europol.

Looks like they forgot to include 'graffiti.

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Re: Islamic terrorism not the "biggest"
Reply #17 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:03am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 10:58am:
For those who are interested, these are the terrorism categories I invented:

- Jihadist terrorism

- Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorism

- Left-wing and anarchist terrorism

- Right-wing terrorism

- Single-issue terrorism.

Nah, just kidding - those are the official categories used by Europol.

Looks like they forgot to include 'graffiti.



So to prove that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terrorism problem in the world, you present statistics in which Islam is the only religion or political ideology to get it's own category? Despite Muslims only making up a tiny minority of the population in question?

Would it be fair to describe this as an own-goal on your part Greg?
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Re: Islamic terrorism not the "biggest"
Reply #18 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:09am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 10:58am:
For those who are interested, these are the terrorism categories I invented:

- Jihadist terrorism

- Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorism

- Left-wing and anarchist terrorism

- Right-wing terrorism

- Single-issue terrorism.

Nah, just kidding - those are the official categories used by Europol.

Looks like they forgot to include 'graffiti.



So to prove that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terrorism problem, you present statistics in which Islam is the only religion or political ideology to get it's own category? Despite Muslims only making up a tiny minority of the population in question?

Would it be fair to describe this as an own-goal on your part Greg?


Not even close.

Jihadist terrorism only accounts for 16% of terrorist attacks in Europe.

Separatist terrorism is responsible for 67% of the attacks.

In their report, Europol says "Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations.
"

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-te...

Were there any other questions, FD?

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Reply #19 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
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Separatist terrorism is responsible for 67% of the attacks.


Not according to your own statistics. Even when the info is in your own post you cannot get it right.

Do you honestly not see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?

And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror threat in the world?

Do all Islamic apologists struggle as much as you with reading their own evidence?
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Reply #20 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:15am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:12am:
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Separatist terrorism is responsible for 67% of the attacks.


Not according to your own statistics. Even when the info is in your own post you cannot get it right.

Do you honestly not see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?

And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror threat in the world?


67%

Page 9, bottom right corner.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-te...

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Reply #21 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:16am
 
Do you honestly not see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims are the only ones to get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?

And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?

Do all Islamic apologists struggle as much as you with reading their own evidence? Or is this more of a deliberate lie? Perhaps "own-goal" is a better description?
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Reply #22 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:18am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:16am:
Do you honestly not see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?


And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?

Do all Islamic apologists struggle as much as you with reading their own evidence? Or is this more of a deliberate lie?


I read the official reports, and steer clear of Channel 7 "News".

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-te...

Are you ready to admit that graffiti attacks are not included in the statistics?

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Reply #23 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:20am
 
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I read the official reports


But did you understand them? Let's try again for a straight answer hey Greg?

Do you see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims are the only ones to get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?

And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?

Do all Islamic apologists struggle as much as you with reading their own evidence? Or is this more of a deliberate lie? Perhaps "own-goal" is a better description?
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Reply #24 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:26am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 10:58am:
For those who are interested, these are the terrorism categories I invented:

- Jihadist terrorism

- Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorism

- Left-wing and anarchist terrorism

- Right-wing terrorism

- Single-issue terrorism.

Nah, just kidding - those are the official categories used by Europol.

Looks like they forgot to include 'graffiti.



Yes, but they all include the Muselman. Is he guilty of graffiti attacks too?

Oh my, when will it ever end?
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Reply #25 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:36am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:20am:
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I read the official reports


But did you understand them? Let's try again for a straight answer hey Greg?

Do you see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims are the only ones to get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?

And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?

Do all Islamic apologists struggle as much as you with reading their own evidence? Or is this more of a deliberate lie? Perhaps "own-goal" is a better description?


FD, why do you apologise for ethno-nationalist terrorism?

How do you consider an overwhealmingly majority of attacks to not be a problem?

Why are you trying to equate population with terrorism? What is the Muslim population of Europe?

Would you like to me to try for a straight answer this time? What sound does a jellyfish make?

Questions questions.
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Reply #26 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:44am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:20am:
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I read the official reports


But did you understand them? Let's try again for a straight answer hey Greg?

Do you see that Islam is the only identifiable religion or political ideology in that list to get it's own category?

Why do you think Muslims are the only ones to get their own special category in terrorism statistics, even in a place like Europe where they are but a tiny minority?

And how does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?

Do all Islamic apologists struggle as much as you with reading their own evidence? Or is this more of a deliberate lie? Perhaps "own-goal" is a better description?


I most certainly did.

I understand that there's no mention of graffiti attacks.

I also understand that the Europol report clearly states that the vast majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.

Did you read it?
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Reply #27 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:50am
 
How does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?
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Reply #28 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:52am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:50am:
How does this support your claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world?


FD, why are you running away in your own thread?

Too scared to say?

Why or why not?
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Reply #29 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
Muslims make up 3.8% of the EU. Despite this, they are the only religious or political group to get their own category in Greg's statistics, making up 16% of attacks, and probably a far higher percentage of the death toll (which Greg likes to insist is not relevant). Islamic terrorism in Europe is growing fast. According to wikipeida, the 2014-2016 death toll was higher than all previous years combined.

Somehow, Greg thinks this supports his claim that Islamic terrorism is not the biggest terror problem in the world.

From Greg's link:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-foiled-and-completed-attacks-1002-arrests-and-142-victims-died

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Although there was a large number of terrorist attacks not connected with jihadism, the latter accounts for the most serious forms of terrorist activity as nearly all reported fatalities and most of the casualties were the result of jihadist terrorist attacks.


Greg would it be fair to say you deliberately sought to cherry pick the statistics to misrepresent the problem? Or is it just a case that you are inable to comprehend your own evidence?
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