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Note to Australians.. Hold onto your Guns...
Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:04am
 
and to our US Friends...

Don't give up your Guns...

I don't so much agree with the statement below about Howard ...

you can still get a Gun here in Australia of you do the courses etc...

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Yes, this has been on here before. Time to refresh...

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:

You won't see this data on the mainstream media evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

It does NOT suit their agendas.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are "citizens". Without them, we are "subjects". Citizens have power, subjects are at the will of the powers.

If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

We here in Australia need to overturn the draconian Howard limitations to our liberty.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in our right to self defence!
It's time to speak out loud again before they try to silence us even further by way of the United Nations global governance.

The UN is trying to disarm America right now. Thankfully they have the 2nd Amendment in their Bill of Rights
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Reply #1 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:40am
 



Two excellent [thought provoking] YT's          dealing with the issue of political power, and who has a right to it.....





Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights

9 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSHg3JV_V8






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Gun Control  STOP and LOOK

9 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RoMqB0VU4U





@ 15 secs into the YT

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Because criminals will always seek to possess firearms,
all decent law-abiding citizens should also have lawful access to firearms.

Otherwise the criminals will win,        and the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will lose.

Because the decent law-abiding [unarmed] citizens will be at the mercy of the armed criminals.



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checkout these titles, found here....

https://www.youtube.com/user/ST0PandL00K/videos

Gun Control                              
Pt0 INTRO - Individualism vs Collectivism
Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights
Pt2 Group Supremacy                     
Pt3 Coercion vs Freedom                  
Pt4 Equality and Inequality under Law   
Pt5 Proper role of Government      
   

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #2 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am
 
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer
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Looks like a Russian made AK. How Putin American.
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Reply #4 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:29am
 
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer



You clown.
Our gov...along with the US, britan have been murdering people worldwide for decades...and you are happy about it.
You're a fukkking disgrace.
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Reply #5 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:45am
 
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

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Reply #6 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.
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Reply #7 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:54am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:45am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."



Nothing like being an ostrich.
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Reply #8 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:45am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."



Nothing like being an ostrich.


Is this statement true?

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."
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Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.


The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.


In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990.

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Reply #10 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:11am
 
Who needs Guns ?

Cops, Military, Farmers for pest control, and security guards. Other than that guns belong in movies !

The yanks are obsessed with guns simply because they have no welfare safety net as well as supporting a major fire arms industry.
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Reply #11 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.
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Reply #12 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


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Reply #13 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:35am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


Not quite.

The truth about gun ownership after Port Arthur

"...  fewer Australians now own guns. Since 1988, the proportion of households with a firearm fell by 75 per cent.

"The same holds true in the United States, where researchers now see household gun ownership as the most reliable indicator of firearm distribution.

"The reason? Those who already possess several guns have bought more. Until recently, the average Australian shooter owned three to five firearms. The same people now keep a larger collection, and a proportion of their guns continue to leak into the illicit market."



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Reply #14 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


Smiley



I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it... Grin

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it has to do with education???
Safety courses upon license application. Mandatory safes for firearm storage, removal of firing pins when stored. But no....you stick to your stupid college stats that semi autos kill more people than single shots.  Grin

You know, thousands of babies a year died from accidental drowings in backyard pool untill swimming education became available to them and their  families. Mandatory fencing of pools. Now that number has dropped considerably. Laurie Lawrence is a hero....not john the dictator howard.


But stick to your stats....makes you look like a fool every time...but I'm happy to correct your mistakes.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Now go on...reply with a cut and paste of your post above.... Grin
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Reply #15 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am
 
Well - as our respective parties in government clamp down more and more on basic rights and the simple right to go about your own life in peace, particularly without unwarranted interference and direct violence from the State - something nowhere in evidence since the state-installed violence of deliberately unbalanced (non)laws back in 1992... I think you will find that a lot of those now technically illegal and unaccounted for guns will be turned onto those vested with the power to enforce such 'laws'.

I'm expecting someone somewhere to take up arms against the genuine oppressors....... and then the fun will begin.

That we Australian MEN primarily are a peaceful lot in view of the amazing level of violence in many ways exercised against us in the name of some mythical 'equality', is clearly shown by the relative lack of response to this very oppression.

That can't last forever. there are many alienated and radicalised ordinary people out there, without a leader or even a voice .... that's one of the reasons for flooding the nation with submissive and unaware of rights etc foreigners - can't stay that way forever.    Wink

"This should get a bite out of a few, Igor - let's go and see the doc and check when we get back"......
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Reply #16 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 11:53am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:35am:
Since 1988, the proportion of households with a firearm fell by 75 per cent.



How about the rate of firearms per household?
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"Australians now own more guns than before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, according to new research that shows firearm imports hit a record high in 2014-15."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/record-gun-sales-bring-australias-firearm-arsena...

And less gun deaths. How bizarre?
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Reply #18 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


Smiley



I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it... Grin

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it has to do with education???
Safety courses upon license application. Mandatory safes for firearm storage, removal of firing pins when stored. But no....you stick to your stupid college stats that semi autos kill more people than single shots.  Grin

You know, thousands of babies a year died from accidental drowings in backyard pool untill swimming education became available to them and their  families. Mandatory fencing of pools. Now that number has dropped considerably. Laurie Lawrence is a hero....not john the dictator howard.


But stick to your stats....makes you look like a fool every time...but I'm happy to correct your mistakes.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Now go on...reply with a cut and paste of your post above.... Grin


Is this statement correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
"Australians now own more guns than before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, according to new research that shows firearm imports hit a record high in 2014-15."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/record-gun-sales-bring-australias-firearm-arsena...

And less gun deaths. How bizarre?


misleading statement. Its about per capita:

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Population growth over the past 20 years means the rate of private gun ownership remains about 23 per cent lower than before the massacre.
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lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 11:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:35am:
Since 1988, the proportion of households with a firearm fell by 75 per cent.



How about the rate of firearms per household?


https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia#proportion_of_households_wit...
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Reply #21 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:00pm
 
gandalf wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
"Australians now own more guns than before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, according to new research that shows firearm imports hit a record high in 2014-15."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/record-gun-sales-bring-australias-firearm-arsena...

And less gun deaths. How bizarre?


misleading statement. Its about per capita:

Quote:
Population growth over the past 20 years means the rate of private gun ownership remains about 23 per cent lower than before the massacre.


Indeed.

"This increase must be seen in context.

"Australia's population grew by five million in the same period, so per-capita firearm ownership remains 23 per cent lower than it was before Port Arthur."


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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia#proportion_of_households_wit...


"The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Australia is "

They can estimate the number of illicit firearms? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Did you notice a lot of the statistics were way outdated? 1992?
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lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia#proportion_of_households_wit...


"The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Australia is "

They can estimate the number of illicit firearms? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Did you notice a lot of the statistics were way outdated? 1992?


What's your point?

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Reply #24 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


Smiley



I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it... Grin

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it has to do with education???
Safety courses upon license application. Mandatory safes for firearm storage, removal of firing pins when stored. But no....you stick to your stupid college stats that semi autos kill more people than single shots.  Grin

You know, thousands of babies a year died from accidental drowings in backyard pool untill swimming education became available to them and their  families. Mandatory fencing of pools. Now that number has dropped considerably. Laurie Lawrence is a hero....not john the dictator howard.


But stick to your stats....makes you look like a fool every time...but I'm happy to correct your mistakes.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Now go on...reply with a cut and paste of your post above.... Grin


Is this statement correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

A simple yes or no will suffice.



No.
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Reply #25 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:31pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


Smiley



I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it... Grin

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it has to do with education???
Safety courses upon license application. Mandatory safes for firearm storage, removal of firing pins when stored. But no....you stick to your stupid college stats that semi autos kill more people than single shots.  Grin

You know, thousands of babies a year died from accidental drowings in backyard pool untill swimming education became available to them and their  families. Mandatory fencing of pools. Now that number has dropped considerably. Laurie Lawrence is a hero....not john the dictator howard.


But stick to your stats....makes you look like a fool every time...but I'm happy to correct your mistakes.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Now go on...reply with a cut and paste of your post above.... Grin


Is this statement correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

A simple yes or no will suffice.



No.


How is it wrong?

In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016.
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Reply #26 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


Smiley



I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it... Grin

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it has to do with education???
Safety courses upon license application. Mandatory safes for firearm storage, removal of firing pins when stored. But no....you stick to your stupid college stats that semi autos kill more people than single shots.  Grin

You know, thousands of babies a year died from accidental drowings in backyard pool untill swimming education became available to them and their  families. Mandatory fencing of pools. Now that number has dropped considerably. Laurie Lawrence is a hero....not john the dictator howard.


But stick to your stats....makes you look like a fool every time...but I'm happy to correct your mistakes.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Now go on...reply with a cut and paste of your post above.... Grin


Is this statement correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

A simple yes or no will suffice.




No.


How is it wrong?



So now you want me to explain..... Grin Grin Grin

You got what you wanted. You go work it out.   Wink



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Reply #27 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:35pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:31pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:54pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:21am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."


Smiley



I can't help it if you cannot comprehend it... Grin

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it has to do with education???
Safety courses upon license application. Mandatory safes for firearm storage, removal of firing pins when stored. But no....you stick to your stupid college stats that semi autos kill more people than single shots.  Grin

You know, thousands of babies a year died from accidental drowings in backyard pool untill swimming education became available to them and their  families. Mandatory fencing of pools. Now that number has dropped considerably. Laurie Lawrence is a hero....not john the dictator howard.


But stick to your stats....makes you look like a fool every time...but I'm happy to correct your mistakes.  Smiley Smiley Smiley


Now go on...reply with a cut and paste of your post above.... Grin


Is this statement correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

A simple yes or no will suffice.




No.


How is it wrong?



So now you want me to explain..... Grin Grin Grin

You got what you wanted. You go work it out.   Wink





The statement is correct.

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

In the two decades following the reforms, the annual rate of gun deaths fell from 2.9 per 100,000 in 1996 to 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016.

That's a decrease.

Year 9 maths, innit?

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I'll break it down for you, if you like.

1996 and 2003 came before 2016.

So, those first two years mentioned were followed by 2016.

The annual rate of gun deaths in 1996 was 2.9 per 100,000.

In 2016 the figure was 0.9 per 100,000.

0.9 is less than 2.9, so it was a decrease.

Taking these facts into consideration, this statement is completely correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."

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lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 12:58pm:
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia#proportion_of_households_wit...


"The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in Australia is "

They can estimate the number of illicit firearms?
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Did you notice a lot of the statistics were way outdated? 1992?


Of course - it's the same as unreported rape and unreported domestic violence and so forth..... easy as pie in the sky.....
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Yeah - but the peace-loving Australian male doesn't do it - in NSW it's primarily those pesky Mussos.... though we're generally happy to see that lot burn each other...
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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 2:53pm:
Yeah - but the peace-loving Australian male doesn't do it - in NSW it's primarily those pesky Mussos.... though we're generally happy to see that lot burn each other...


Of course not.

Australian males would never dream or shooting anyone.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-06/pennant-hills-shooting-of-teens-sydney-fat...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-11/seven-people-found-dead-in-margaret-river-...
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
I'll break it down for you, if you like.

1996 and 2003 came before 2016.

So, those first two years mentioned were followed by 2016.

The annual rate of gun deaths in 1996 was 2.9 per 100,000.

In 2016 the figure was 0.9 per 100,000.

0.9 is less than 2.9, so it was a decrease.

Taking these facts into consideration, this statement is completely correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."





So let us be clear on this subject.

YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT THOSE STATISTICS ARE DUE ONLY TO THE GUN BUY BACK AND NOTHING MORE.....

A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE......
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
I'll break it down for you, if you like.

1996 and 2003 came before 2016.

So, those first two years mentioned were followed by 2016.

The annual rate of gun deaths in 1996 was 2.9 per 100,000.

In 2016 the figure was 0.9 per 100,000.

0.9 is less than 2.9, so it was a decrease.

Taking these facts into consideration, this statement is completely correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."





So let us be clear on this subject.

YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT THOSE STATISTICS ARE DUE ONLY TO THE GUN BUY BACK AND NOTHING MORE.....

A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE......


No.

And I don't remember saying anything like that.

The (factual) statement was:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
I'll break it down for you, if you like.

1996 and 2003 came before 2016.

So, those first two years mentioned were followed by 2016.

The annual rate of gun deaths in 1996 was 2.9 per 100,000.

In 2016 the figure was 0.9 per 100,000.

0.9 is less than 2.9, so it was a decrease.

Taking these facts into consideration, this statement is completely correct:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."





So let us be clear on this subject.

YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT THOSE STATISTICS ARE DUE ONLY TO THE GUN BUY BACK AND NOTHING MORE.....

A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE......


No.

And I don't remember saying anything like that.

The (factual) statement was:

"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."




Okay....
So the buyback plus the restrictions then.

By restrictions you mean removing semi auto high powered rifles and pump action shot guns???
In other words the removal of semi auto rifles and pump action shot guns is the reason why the deaths have decreased.
So it's not "cool" to shoot someone with a single shot bolt action rifle???
Be clear. Explain what your quote is refering too. You're obviously leaning on something but it isn't clear.

Also, define what the quote means by gun restrictions.
Are they refering to the new licensing procedure where it is mandatory to attend a firearm safety course, have criminal background checks, have the firearms locked in a secure safe with the firing pins removed, regular police visits to inspect the firearms (certain people). If so then those same responsible owners could have semi autos in that safe too and your stats would still remain the same.
Remember, the laws only work for honest people and protect the crims from honest people. Like I said, just last year a cop was killed with an SKK in toowoomba. Crims will always use whatever gun they can get hold of. So criminal shootings will always happen no matter what. You can have all the laws you like, it will have no effect on crims. You could remove every registered firearm from every household in Australia and still have murders involving firearms.

You see, as I said in a post above. There are more guns now then there was then. You can't deny that. But you're saying the deaths have decreased. It seems to me that you are saying, and trying to use the above quote from whatever source to say that becuase there are no more AR15s, SKKs, pump actions on the shelf at the gun store that there are lower firearm deaths. Because that is a cop out.

Now, the ratio of criminal shootings to accidental shootings would be interesting to know in your stats. You got them available at all? It's easy to throw stats around but when those stats are broken down then we can see where the figures fall.
I would say the honest people have become smarter when handling a firearm for sure.   The firearms are not left in the closet with the pin in ready to go so young johnny can blow his mates head off accidently, there is definitely more care taken by owners hence your figures.....but there are more firearms now.
Even grapplers ref to Switzerland is proof that correct training for honest people is the key.

A 5 mag single shot bolt action 243 will kill just as well as a soviet SKK or colt AR15. Doesn't matter what the weapon is and thats what you gun grabbers seem to focus on...the weapon itself and the poor old honest gun owner/enthusiast.
I have no weapons at present so I'm not defending them because I have them. I believe that Australia has been conned big time by a corrupt gov. We got played big time.


Also....we could all be armed to the teeth with full automatics and still not be a threat to these parasite western governments. They have ultrasonic sound weapons that will destroy anything. So a gun would be useless. And they're weapons that we know of. Imagine what the mad c@#ts have got hidden away shouldsuch an event take place.
Do not believe this gov will protect you. They will not.

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It's not my quote, obviously.

I posted the link before.

Here it is again:

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-did-government-gun-buybacks-reduce-th...
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Australia is full of guns. Even I have a gun. It's easy to get a licence . You have to join a gun club and then you can buy guns like going to the supermarket.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 2:53pm:
Yeah - but the peace-loving Australian male doesn't do it - in NSW it's primarily those pesky Mussos.... though we're generally happy to see that lot burn each other...


Of course not.

Australian males would never dream or shooting anyone.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-06/pennant-hills-shooting-of-teens-sydney-fat...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-11/seven-people-found-dead-in-margaret-river-...



Ah, the odd lone crazed gunperson in a school book repository never hurt nobody... just aberrations.... not statistically significant....  Cool
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Reply #38 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
It's not my quote, obviously.

I posted the link before.

Here it is again:

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-did-government-gun-buybacks-reduce-th...


If you read through it it is an opinion stat...that's all.
Tim Fisher...he worked for John Hitler so of course he will claim it is because of the buyback. The SSAA lady came back with similar to what I have said.

What I do see as true is fishers opening line. Stats are a load of crap and can be made to lean whatever way you like. I hate opinion stats.


First of all, it’s not possible to disentangle any effect of the gun buybacks from the rest of the gun reforms introduced at the same time.

Some researchers have concluded the reforms as a whole had little effect on reducing the number of gun deaths in Australia. But other researchers have concluded the reforms did have an effect.


Our corrupted gov had been pushing for gun restrictions for a very long time before PA. One could conclude that PA "had to happen" as one police officer was told at the time of the event.
As you are aware...I believe PA was not what we were told it was.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Australia is full of guns. Even I have a gun. It's easy to get a licence . You have to join a gun club and then you can buy guns like going to the supermarket.



But there are background checks at the time of license application. I know a few that have been knocked back.
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Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Australia is full of guns. Even I have a gun. It's easy to get a licence . You have to join a gun club and then you can buy guns like going to the supermarket.



But there are background checks at the time of license application. I know a few that have been knocked back.

If you have a few misdemeanour offences they'll generally give you a pass.
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Show us all, the parallel between Australia, Switzerland, and the United States, as it applies to firearms.

Switzerland is a tiny, fabulously weathy, naturally defended, and socially cohesive mountain state. It has no social pressures.

The United States, built on social pressures, challenged and surpassed Europe during the industrial revolution. Australia was a tiny sheep raising backwater with no industry or influence on world affairs. It had no social pressures and no armed and warlike native tribes.

Gun violence in Australia during the 19th century was restricted to the use of primitive, antiquated, and obscelete cast off weapons from Europe and the USA. In surpassing Europe, the USA found itself in the most violent of circumstances, while being at the forefront of weapons design and manufacture. Its criminals and even its native tribes drew upon that industry.

And from that situation they have today, a society that is steeped in gun violence, and the paranoia that a proportion of the citizens believe the Democrats might try to take their guns away.
There is no comparison between Switzerland, the United States, and Australia. We have reasonable gun laws, and the American Democrats are not demanding anything more.

As for Australia, if we loosen gun laws, like the good old days that some people yurn for, just remember that we now legally  harbour people who would attack our institutions and ourselves. The idea that an armed populace will be able to counter such attacks, is completely irrational, and shows no understanding of society and history.
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Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
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   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?

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Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Australia is full of guns. Even I have a gun. It's easy to get a licence . You have to join a gun club and then you can buy guns like going to the supermarket.


Except you cannot give "self defence" as the reason on your license application, Hammer.

Nor can you purchase semi-automatic long-arms or pump-action shotguns.

You are limited to bolt-action, lever-action and pump-action long-arms or single/double barreled shotguns, more or less plus of course various pistol actions.

You are also required to regularly attend your firearms club's meetings/range shoots.

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Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Mmm, interesting though that all such persons are trained in the use of the firearms. It's not like what you and Yadda want: just to dole out guns like candy to any 'good and decent' citizen?

Tell me: do you support compulsory military service?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



I've told you before bwyannnnn turf mc turdface
None of my family or myself have ever harmed any abbos, ever.


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Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



I've told you before bwyannnnn turf mc turdface
None of my family or myself have ever harmed any abbos, ever.


I'm not accusing you or your family of anything.

However, you talked about many other Australians when you said:

"... as did most Australians back then. With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?"

And, I'm pointing out to you that mass murder did happen back then.

Thousands of indigenous Australians were massacred by white men with guns.

Were you not aware of this?



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And many whites were in turn murdered by abbos.

The past is the past

My family is only 4 or 5 generations Australian
We have had nothing to do with any murder.

Perhaps you would like to peruse me over my Norman or Roman ancestry?
If we go back far enough, someone somewhere in the distant past may have been killed by one of my ancestors.

But this is how stupid this argument gets.
Anyone can state this or that because they have a chip on their victim shoulder.
But until this hatred stops, it will continue to propagate and be returned.

Tell me I'm a racist often enough
And I'll start to believe you and live up to it.
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Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:04pm:
And many whites were in turn murdered by abbos.

The past is the past

My family is only 4 or 5 generations Australian
We have had nothing to do with any murder.

Perhaps you would like to peruse me over my Norman or Roman ancestry?
If we go back far enough, someone somewhere in the distant past may have been killed by one of my ancestors.

But this is how stupid this argument gets.
Anyone can state this or that because they have a chip on their victim shoulder.
But until this hatred stops, it will continue to propagate and be returned.

Tell me I'm a racist often enough
And I'll start to believe you and live up to it.


A minute ago, you said there were no mass murders.

No you admit that there actually were.

At least you're man enough to admit when you are wrong.

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Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.




I'd like one of these to protect myself from Muslims:


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Bobby wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:16pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.




I'd like one of these to protect myself from Muslims:




This is more your style, Princess Gobby:


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Quote:
  A minute ago, you said there were no mass murders.

No you admit that there actually were.

At least you're man enough to admit when you are wrong.   



I give up
You are a lost cause

You have really lost it since i owned you

Go get some therapy turd mc turdface

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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



I've told you before bwyannnnn turf mc turdface
None of my family or myself have ever harmed any abbos, ever.


I'm not accusing you or your family of anything.

However, you talked about many other Australians when you said:

"... as did most Australians back then. With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?"

And, I'm pointing out to you that mass murder did happen back then.

Thousands of indigenous Australians were massacred by white men with guns.

Were you not aware of this?


Were they police, soldiers or parties put together by them?
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issuevoter wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Show us all, the parallel between Australia, Switzerland, and the United States, as it applies to firearms.

Switzerland is a tiny, fabulously weathy, naturally defended, and socially cohesive mountain state. It has no social pressures.

The United States, built on social pressures, challenged and surpassed Europe during the industrial revolution. Australia was a tiny sheep raising backwater with no industry or influence on world affairs. It had no social pressures and no armed and warlike native tribes.

Gun violence in Australia during the 19th century was restricted to the use of primitive, antiquated, and obscelete cast off weapons from Europe and the USA. In surpassing Europe, the USA found itself in the most violent of circumstances, while being at the forefront of weapons design and manufacture. Its criminals and even its native tribes drew upon that industry.

And from that situation they have today, a society that is steeped in gun violence, and the paranoia that a proportion of the citizens believe the Democrats might try to take their guns away.
There is no comparison between Switzerland, the United States, and Australia. We have reasonable gun laws, and the American Democrats are not demanding anything more.

As for Australia, if we loosen gun laws, like the good old days that some people yurn for, just remember that we now legally  harbour people who would attack our institutions and ourselves. The idea that an armed populace will be able to counter such attacks, is completely irrational, and shows no understanding of society and history.



And who's brilliant idea was it to harbour these mongrels?

Do I have the right to defend myself against these individuals or am I supposed to let them do as they please and wish them well when they're finished?
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



I've told you before bwyannnnn turf mc turdface
None of my family or myself have ever harmed any abbos, ever.


I'm not accusing you or your family of anything.

However, you talked about many other Australians when you said:

"... as did most Australians back then. With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?"

And, I'm pointing out to you that mass murder did happen back then.

Thousands of indigenous Australians were massacred by white men with guns.

Were you not aware of this?


Were they police, soldiers or parties put together by them?


Whalers, shipwreck survivors, shepherds, British colonists (led by Governor Stirling), mounted police, white settlers, Charles Hutton, law enforcement, etc.

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Reply #56 - Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



I've told you before bwyannnnn turf mc turdface
None of my family or myself have ever harmed any abbos, ever.


I'm not accusing you or your family of anything.

However, you talked about many other Australians when you said:

"... as did most Australians back then. With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?"

And, I'm pointing out to you that mass murder did happen back then.

Thousands of indigenous Australians were massacred by white men with guns.

Were you not aware of this?


Were they police, soldiers or parties put together by them?


Whalers, shipwreck survivors, shepherds, British colonists (led by Governor Stirling), mounted police, white settlers, Charles Hutton, law enforcement, etc.



Ah, so police, law enforcement, troopers, farmers and those deputised by govt cannot be trusted with firearms either?
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
Ah, so police, law enforcement, troopers, farmers and those deputised by govt cannot be trusted with firearms either?




British cops take on armed man without using firearms:


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Bobby wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:56pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
Ah, so police, law enforcement, troopers, farmers and those deputised by govt cannot be trusted with firearms either?




British cops take on armed man without using firearms:




Nothing to do with my point Bobby.
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Nothing to do with my point Bobby.



Yes it does -

the Govt. in Britain obviously doesn't trust its cops with guns.
Neither does the  New Zealand. Govt.
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Bobby wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Nothing to do with my point Bobby.



Yes it does -

the Govt. in Britain obviously doesn't trust its cops with guns.
Neither does the  New Zealand. Govt.


Who should we trust with guns? That is my point. Cops in UK and NZ have guns, just not the beat cops. Gregg thinks the citizens should not have guns because they may kill people with them. He used aboriginal massacres as an example. Yet most of our massacres were led by those people like him think guns should be restricted to. It really does boil down to guns don't kill people, people do and being homo sapiens they use the best tool available. The problem is with people.
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Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. All Northern Ireland police officers carry  firearms. The majority of police officers in the rest of Great Britain don't routinely carry firearms.

"Police leaders have discussed frontline constables carrying guns amid concerns it would take too long for fully trained armed officers to reach an attack in rural areas, a police chief has said.

Simon Chesterman, the national lead for armed policing, said the routine arming of regular officers remained an option given an elevated terror threat to Britain that security officials believe is here to stay, with 12 terrorist murder plots known about in the last year."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/uk-police-chiefs-discuss-officer...

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lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. All Northern Ireland police officers carry  firearms. The majority of police officers in the rest of Great Britain don't routinely carry firearms.

"Police leaders have discussed frontline constables carrying guns amid concerns it would take too long for fully trained armed officers to reach an attack in rural areas, a police chief has said.

Simon Chesterman, the national lead for armed policing, said the routine arming of regular officers remained an option given an elevated terror threat to Britain that security officials believe is here to stay, with 12 terrorist murder plots known about in the last year."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/uk-police-chiefs-discuss-officer...



11 of them not related to Islam? Just asking.

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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Nothing to do with my point Bobby.



Yes it does -

the Govt. in Britain obviously doesn't trust its cops with guns.
Neither does the  New Zealand. Govt.


Who should we trust with guns? That is my point. Cops in UK and NZ have guns, just not the beat cops. Gregg thinks the citizens should not have guns because they may kill people with them. He used aboriginal massacres as an example. Yet most of our massacres were led by those people like him think guns should be restricted to. It really does boil down to guns don't kill people, people do and being homo sapiens they use the best tool available. The problem is with people.



OK - they don't trust beat Cops with guns.
Don't worry about what Greggy says - he's a fool.
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Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. All Northern Ireland police officers carry  firearms. The majority of police officers in the rest of Great Britain don't routinely carry firearms.

"Police leaders have discussed frontline constables carrying guns amid concerns it would take too long for fully trained armed officers to reach an attack in rural areas, a police chief has said.

Simon Chesterman, the national lead for armed policing, said the routine arming of regular officers remained an option given an elevated terror threat to Britain that security officials believe is here to stay, with 12 terrorist murder plots known about in the last year."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/uk-police-chiefs-discuss-officer...



11 of them not related to Islam? Just asking.




Just joking - I know....

Just watched a movie called 'Closed Circuit' - Eric Bana in a Brit film - not bad and tight scripting as expected in a good Brit film about security services and such - quite a few shots had a cop in kevlar jacket and armed with an HK .... just walking the beat...

That's what it's become.  Look at the response time for the bridge attack.... you don't exactly have unarmed officers walking the beat for a reaction time of seven minutes.

I'm writing a short story called 'London' - it takes 22 SAS an hour (plus) to get from Hereford to London in a crisis and that's with a stand-by team ready to go ... the amount of readiness involved and cost is astronomical...
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Reply #65 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 6:19am
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:43pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:48pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
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   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



I've told you before bwyannnnn turf mc turdface
None of my family or myself have ever harmed any abbos, ever.


I'm not accusing you or your family of anything.

However, you talked about many other Australians when you said:

"... as did most Australians back then. With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?"

And, I'm pointing out to you that mass murder did happen back then.

Thousands of indigenous Australians were massacred by white men with guns.

Were you not aware of this?


Were they police, soldiers or parties put together by them?


Whalers, shipwreck survivors, shepherds, British colonists (led by Governor Stirling), mounted police, white settlers, Charles Hutton, law enforcement, etc.



Ah, so police, law enforcement, troopers, farmers and those deputised by govt cannot be trusted with firearms either?



Exactly.
When we actually dig into the real issue we see that the gov along with employees of the gov as well as the wealthy all had a hand in these atrocities. I think greg would also find that not only did the abbos fall victim to these people but any one person or persons, black white yellow, who did not comply or do as they were told. The jo blo's just trying to survive.

Again...proof that we need to be very careful of this illigal gov as we can fall victim to them any time. History shows us that they will kill us without thought, and happily, straight faced blame someone else, to further their agenda ------- martial law.

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Reply #66 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:28am
 
The Mechanic wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:04am:
and to our US Friends...

Don't give up your Guns...

I don't so much agree with the statement below about Howard ...

you can still get a Gun here in Australia of you do the courses etc...

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Yes, this has been on here before. Time to refresh...

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:

You won't see this data on the mainstream media evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

It does NOT suit their agendas.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are "citizens". Without them, we are "subjects". Citizens have power, subjects are at the will of the powers.

If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

We here in Australia need to overturn the draconian Howard limitations to our liberty.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in our right to self defence!
It's time to speak out loud again before they try to silence us even further by way of the United Nations global governance.

The UN is trying to disarm America right now. Thankfully they have the 2nd Amendment in their Bill of Rights


That's a fairly elaborate exercise in cherry picking Mech. Do you think it is a bit misleading to try to pass these examples off as representative?
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Reply #67 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 10:46am
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:12pm:
Bobby wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:04pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:01pm:
Nothing to do with my point Bobby.



Yes it does -

the Govt. in Britain obviously doesn't trust its cops with guns.
Neither does the  New Zealand. Govt.


Who should we trust with guns? That is my point. Cops in UK and NZ have guns, just not the beat cops. Gregg thinks the citizens should not have guns because they may kill people with them. He used aboriginal massacres as an example. Yet most of our massacres were led by those people like him think guns should be restricted to. It really does boil down to guns don't kill people, people do and being homo sapiens they use the best tool available. The problem is with people.


No.

Valkie said that back in the day, when everyone had guns, there were no mass murders.

I used aboriginal massacres as an example to show just how wrong he was about that particular subject.
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Reply #68 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 11:58am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:04am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.


The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.


In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990.



So they just report more then is that it?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #69 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:35am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


Not quite.

The truth about gun ownership after Port Arthur

"...  fewer Australians now own guns. Since 1988, the proportion of households with a firearm fell by 75 per cent.

"The same holds true in the United States, where researchers now see household gun ownership as the most reliable indicator of firearm distribution.

"The reason? Those who already possess several guns have bought more. Until recently, the average Australian shooter owned three to five firearms. The same people now keep a larger collection, and a proportion of their guns continue to leak into the illicit market."





BS ... even prior to Port Arthur there was a large black market for guns & there still is.

And who buys those, then & now?

You didn't mention the Police weapons that have been stolen on occasion either.

People who kill other people will do so with ot without guns.

Knife crime has increased as a compensating demographic to any perceived decrease in gun crime.
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Reply #70 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:09pm
 
"Data from the Australian Institute of Criminology shows the rate of homicide victims dying from a gunshot wound has dropped since the reforms came into force, but not consistently in every year.

ABS data indicates the rate of assault by firearm causing death has also declined since the reforms, but not in every year."

"However, experts consulted by Fact Check said the impact of Mr Howard's reforms on those declines is debatable.

Some research argues the reforms did not significantly influence firearm homicide rates or already falling rates of firearm suicide."

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greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 3:06pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 2:53pm:
Yeah - but the peace-loving Australian male doesn't do it - in NSW it's primarily those pesky Mussos.... though we're generally happy to see that lot burn each other...


Of course not.

Australian males would never dream or shooting anyone.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-06/pennant-hills-shooting-of-teens-sydney-fat...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-11/seven-people-found-dead-in-margaret-river-...


2018 gun murders? Surely not?

How can that be according to your figures?

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Reply #72 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:13pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



And the return mass murders by spear & nulla nulla... doesn't count of course? Roll Eyes
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Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:35am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 9:52am:
red baron wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 8:52am:
Yes and the U.S.A. has 'the right to bear  arms' in its constitution and it is the Gun Murder Capitol of the World 

Gun Crime has gone down radically in Australia

You can still buy a gun on the black market but the degree of difficulty is extremely high and extremely expensive

John Howard saved this Country from God knows how many gun related deaths

He is a true blue hero for the stand he took in the face of all the gun nerds in the Country

I don't mind guns in the right hands, law enforcement, armed forces etc

In fact I used to teach weaponry  the Air Force and I carried a gun for 18 years as a Police Officer


Actually it's not. I think you'll find Mexico & certain Sth American countries are far worse.

John Howard saved us from nothing.

The incidence of murder whether it be by gun or other weapons has increased .... and shootings are still occurring.

There are other demographics involved besides guns.




Not only that....there are more gun owners now than there was back then.
These delusional twats get on here and sprook their "bad guns" retoric without even knowing WTF they're on about.
John Howard  is a traitor and should be locked up.

The very guns these gun haters think have been "taken away" are still in circulation. Im sick of repaeting it. Want proof. A copper was shot with an SKS last year. There will be more where that one came from too. Jayzuz.


Not quite.

The truth about gun ownership after Port Arthur

"...  fewer Australians now own guns. Since 1988, the proportion of households with a firearm fell by 75 per cent.

"The same holds true in the United States, where researchers now see household gun ownership as the most reliable indicator of firearm distribution.

"The reason? Those who already possess several guns have bought more. Until recently, the average Australian shooter owned three to five firearms. The same people now keep a larger collection, and a proportion of their guns continue to leak into the illicit market."





BS ... even prior to Port Arthur there was a large black market for guns & there still is.

And who buys those, then & now?

You didn't mention the Police weapons that have been stolen on occasion either.

People who kill other people will do so with ot without guns.

Knife crime has increased as a compensating demographic to any perceived decrease in gun crime.


People who kill each other use all sorts of methods and weapons.

However, this thread is about guns.

Not sure how that fact has escaped your attention.
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Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 6:30pm:
Yh Quote:
   SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!   



Funny how none of the pro gun law lobby ever consider this simple fact.

I have pictures of my various great grandparents camping in the bush
They all have guns, as did most Australians back then
With so many guns, isn't it amazing that mass murder didn't happen?

Probably because they were taught to use them and respect them.


Apart from the numerous mass murders of indigenous Australians, you mean?



And the return mass murders by spear & nulla nulla... doesn't count of course? Roll Eyes


Not sure who said that - maybe you're imagining things again.

Valkie said there were no mass murders with guns, back in the day.

I proved him wrong.

It's as simple as that.

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Reply #75 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Australia is full of guns. Even I have a gun. It's easy to get a licence . You have to join a gun club and then you can buy guns like going to the supermarket.


Except you cannot give "self defence" as the reason on your license application, Hammer.

Nor can you purchase semi-automatic long-arms or pump-action shotguns.

You are limited to bolt-action, lever-action and pump-action long-arms or single/double barreled shotguns, more or less plus of course various pistol actions.

You are also required to regularly attend your firearms club's meetings/range shoots.



The ban on pump action shot guns is just ridiculous.

It is no different an operation to a bolt action repeater or pump action rim/centre fire long rifle.

They were very handy in scrub for pig hunting at close quarters.

All rifles can be sawn off for illegal purposes.
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Greggerypeaccary -"In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990."

I thought you were only talking gun deaths? That suggests you are talking all homicides. Wink
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Greggerypeaccary -"In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990."

I thought you were only talking gun deaths? That suggests you are talking all homicides. Wink



He changes the point of the OP to suit his responses more times than he changes his underpants.
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Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
lee wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Greggerypeaccary -"In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990."

I thought you were only talking gun deaths? That suggests you are talking all homicides. Wink



He changes the point of the OP to suit his responses more times than he changes his underpants.


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Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 11:52pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. All Northern Ireland police officers carry  firearms. The majority of police officers in the rest of Great Britain don't routinely carry firearms.

"Police leaders have discussed frontline constables carrying guns amid concerns it would take too long for fully trained armed officers to reach an attack in rural areas, a police chief has said.

Simon Chesterman, the national lead for armed policing, said the routine arming of regular officers remained an option given an elevated terror threat to Britain that security officials believe is here to stay, with 12 terrorist murder plots known about in the last year."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/uk-police-chiefs-discuss-officer...



11 of them not related to Islam? Just asking.




Just joking - I know....

Just watched a movie called 'Closed Circuit' - Eric Bana in a Brit film - not bad and tight scripting as expected in a good Brit film about security services and such - quite a few shots had a cop in kevlar jacket and armed with an HK .... just walking the beat...

That's what it's become.  Look at the response time for the bridge attack.... you don't exactly have unarmed officers walking the beat for a reaction time of seven minutes.

I'm writing a short story called 'London' - it takes 22 SAS an hour (plus) to get from Hereford to London in a crisis and that's with a stand-by team ready to go ... the amount of readiness involved and cost is astronomical...


Except the SASR in the UK now has readiness teams available in London and other major cities which are ready to respond within 15-30 minutes, Grapps.  The Hereford Gun Club can respond more quickly than you give them credit for.

This is of course, after the Police response teams have responded within minutes (I believe the current record is under 5 minutes in London).   Admittedly, the Police sometimes shoot the wrong person (ie the Brazilian electrician on the Tube after the Tube Bombings) but they are getting better at figuring out who the bad guys are.    Roll Eyes

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Valkie wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
lee wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Greggerypeaccary -"In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990."

I thought you were only talking gun deaths? That suggests you are talking all homicides. Wink



He changes the point of the OP to suit his responses more times than he changes his underpants.


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Tell us again how there were no mass murders back in your great grandparents' day, Valkie.

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Valkie wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
lee wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Greggerypeaccary -"In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990."

I thought you were only talking gun deaths? That suggests you are talking all homicides. Wink



He changes the point of the OP to suit his responses more times than he changes his underpants.


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Lying deceitful troll

Backs down who her than a muzzo when confronted with equal numbers.

Coward, lying, reneging,  deceitful troll It is

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Tell us again how there were no mass murders back in your great grandparents' day, Valkie.

I need a good laugh   Smiley


Your needs are irrelevant

you're laughable.  Roll Eyes
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Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 4:25pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 2:36pm:
Gnads wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
lee wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Greggerypeaccary -"In Australia, homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990."

I thought you were only talking gun deaths? That suggests you are talking all homicides. Wink



He changes the point of the OP to suit his responses more times than he changes his underpants.


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Lying deceitful troll

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Coward, lying, reneging,  deceitful troll It is

Wish ist would do us all favor and honor it's promise to leave


Tell us again how there were no mass murders back in your great grandparents' day, Valkie.

I need a good laugh   Smiley


Your needs are irrelevant

you're laughable.  Roll Eyes


So are Valkie's stories from the good old days   Smiley
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Reply #83 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:51pm
 
I wonder when turd mc turdface will HONOR it's bet to leave the forum?

I wonder if turd mc turdface will ever honor it's bet with me?

I wonder if turd mc turdface will ever do anything that isn't trollish, lying, deceitful or disrespectful?

I would hazard that the answer to all the above is NEVER
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Reply #84 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 12:31am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 11:52pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
lee wrote on Oct 5th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. All Northern Ireland police officers carry  firearms. The majority of police officers in the rest of Great Britain don't routinely carry firearms.

"Police leaders have discussed frontline constables carrying guns amid concerns it would take too long for fully trained armed officers to reach an attack in rural areas, a police chief has said.

Simon Chesterman, the national lead for armed policing, said the routine arming of regular officers remained an option given an elevated terror threat to Britain that security officials believe is here to stay, with 12 terrorist murder plots known about in the last year."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/17/uk-police-chiefs-discuss-officer...



11 of them not related to Islam? Just asking.




Just joking - I know....

Just watched a movie called 'Closed Circuit' - Eric Bana in a Brit film - not bad and tight scripting as expected in a good Brit film about security services and such - quite a few shots had a cop in kevlar jacket and armed with an HK .... just walking the beat...

That's what it's become.  Look at the response time for the bridge attack.... you don't exactly have unarmed officers walking the beat for a reaction time of seven minutes.

I'm writing a short story called 'London' - it takes 22 SAS an hour (plus) to get from Hereford to London in a crisis and that's with a stand-by team ready to go ... the amount of readiness involved and cost is astronomical...


Except the SASR in the UK now has readiness teams available in London and other major cities which are ready to respond within 15-30 minutes, Grapps.  The Hereford Gun Club can respond more quickly than you give them credit for.

This is of course, after the Police response teams have responded within minutes (I believe the current record is under 5 minutes in London).   Admittedly, the Police sometimes shoot the wrong person (ie the Brazilian electrician on the Tube after the Tube Bombings) but they are getting better at figuring out who the bad guys are.    Roll Eyes




Part of that is covered in my liaison officer character, stuck in London as a go-between when he wants to go operational all the way...... not going into it too much...

With a Squirrel or two they can get from Hereford to Londinium pretty quick - as long as the engines are pre-heated.... but by automobile it's a bit tedious... and please - no 'SASR' - it's simply 'The Regiment' in Britain... SASR is for the colonials....

Anyway - that level of readiness, including choppers on five minutes standby - is very expensive.
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Reply #85 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:48pm
 
Captain Caveman your non de plume says it all. God protect this Country from ignorant illiterate Dinosaurs such as you

Met plenty of your kind in the Police, morons with guns and the stupifying mentality that they knew when and how to use them

Thank God thousands of those guns have been removed from the hands of troglodytes  such as you
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Reply #86 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 2:51pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Captain Caveman your non de plume says it all. God protect this Country from ignorant illiterate Dinosaurs such as you

Met plenty of your kind in the Police, morons with guns and the stupifying mentality that they knew when and how to use them

Thank God thousands of those guns have been removed from the hands of troglodytes  such as you



Ahh. You're an ex copper.
Explains it all.  Wink

Thousands removed and redistributed back on the streets for a quick $, thanks to the dirty cops.....

Oh....and picking on my illiteracy says a lot about you too.
Bet you wouldn't do it to my face. I've had plenty of experience with people like you......on the street.
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Reply #87 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 2:53pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Captain Caveman your non de plume says it all. God protect this Country from ignorant illiterate Dinosaurs such as you

Met plenty of your kind in the Police, morons with guns and the stupifying mentality that they knew when and how to use them

Thank God thousands of those guns have been removed from the hands of troglodytes  such as you


It take it that's a generalisation & includes a % of coppers as well?
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Reply #88 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 4:17pm
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 12:31am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Except the SASR in the UK now has readiness teams available in London and other major cities which are ready to respond within 15-30 minutes, Grapps.  The Hereford Gun Club can respond more quickly than you give them credit for.

This is of course, after the Police response teams have responded within minutes (I believe the current record is under 5 minutes in London).   Admittedly, the Police sometimes shoot the wrong person (ie the Brazilian electrician on the Tube after the Tube Bombings) but they are getting better at figuring out who the bad guys are.    Roll Eyes




Part of that is covered in my liaison officer character, stuck in London as a go-between when he wants to go operational all the way...... not going into it too much...

With a Squirrel or two they can get from Hereford to Londinium pretty quick - as long as the engines are pre-heated.... but by automobile it's a bit tedious... and please - no 'SASR' - it's simply 'The Regiment' in Britain... SASR is for the colonials....

Anyway - that level of readiness, including choppers on five minutes standby - is very expensive.


Sometimes I think the SASR considers itself superhuman.  They tend to actually believe what the media types about them.  That is, until they next stuff up so badly that not only do their victims targets end up dead but some of their own fellows have their own names entered onto the lists on the clock tower.  A 15-30 minute response time from scratch is actually damned good by most military forces standards.
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Reply #89 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 6:45pm
 
red baron wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
Captain Caveman your non de plume says it all. God protect this Country from ignorant illiterate Dinosaurs such as you

Met plenty of your kind in the Police, morons with guns and the stupifying mentality that they knew when and how to use them

Thank God thousands of those guns have been removed from the hands of troglodytes  such as you


Nice post, red.

Every now and then you come up with a beauty.

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Reply #90 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 8:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 4:17pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 12:31am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 6th, 2018 at 2:40pm:
Except the SASR in the UK now has readiness teams available in London and other major cities which are ready to respond within 15-30 minutes, Grapps.  The Hereford Gun Club can respond more quickly than you give them credit for.

This is of course, after the Police response teams have responded within minutes (I believe the current record is under 5 minutes in London).   Admittedly, the Police sometimes shoot the wrong person (ie the Brazilian electrician on the Tube after the Tube Bombings) but they are getting better at figuring out who the bad guys are.    Roll Eyes




Part of that is covered in my liaison officer character, stuck in London as a go-between when he wants to go operational all the way...... not going into it too much...

With a Squirrel or two they can get from Hereford to Londinium pretty quick - as long as the engines are pre-heated.... but by automobile it's a bit tedious... and please - no 'SASR' - it's simply 'The Regiment' in Britain... SASR is for the colonials....

Anyway - that level of readiness, including choppers on five minutes standby - is very expensive.


Sometimes I think the SASR considers itself superhuman.  They tend to actually believe what the media types about them.  That is, until they next stuff up so badly that not only do their victims targets end up dead but some of their own fellows have their own names entered onto the lists on the clock tower.  A 15-30 minute response time from scratch is actually damned good by most military forces standards.



True - when they start to wear sunglasses and dress like stars, you know they're in trouble.

Part of the 'cafe` gangster' image fostered to frighten the Germans way back still clings, but the essence is dedication, professionalism and training.  People can do a lot, but they are not supermen.

Bloke was killed in 'killing house' training in WA a few years back...mate and I put our heads together and said 'wrong position' - when you're hair-trigger trained mistakes can happen.
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Reply #91 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 12:33am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
True - when they start to wear sunglasses and dress like stars, you know they're in trouble.

Part of the 'cafe` gangster' image fostered to frighten the Germans way back still clings, but the essence is dedication, professionalism and training.  People can do a lot, but they are not supermen.

Bloke was killed in 'killing house' training in WA a few years back...mate and I put our heads together and said 'wrong position' - when you're hair-trigger trained mistakes can happen.


What always surprised me was how much the Septics were willing to adopt the rock-star mentality.  I remember back in Gulf War II, some "special forces" types stopped shaving and started wearing civvies and were photographed as such by the media.  I could hear the roar of their Master Sergeant from where I was in Australia when he told them to start shaving and wearing their uniforms the way God intended them to be worn.   Such silly fellows.  Apparently the next day when the media saw them again, they were very regimentally dressed.   Some people like to think they are in the movies for some reason.
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