greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5
th, 2018 at 4:10pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Oct 5
th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 5
th, 2018 at 1:51pm:
I'll break it down for you, if you like.
1996 and 2003 came before 2016.
So, those first two years mentioned were followed by 2016.
The annual rate of gun deaths in 1996 was 2.9 per 100,000.
In 2016 the figure was 0.9 per 100,000.
0.9 is less than 2.9, so it was a decrease.
Taking these facts into consideration, this statement is completely correct:
"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides."
So let us be clear on this subject.
YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT THOSE STATISTICS ARE DUE
ONLY TO THE GUN BUY BACK AND NOTHING MORE.....
A SIMPLE YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE......
No.
And I don't remember saying anything like that.
The (factual) statement was:
"Overall, it’s clear that the gun buybacks in 1996 and 2003 and related firearm restrictions were followed by decreases in overall gun deaths, including firearm related homicides and suicides." Okay....
So the buyback plus the restrictions then.
By restrictions you mean removing semi auto high powered rifles and pump action shot guns???
In other words the removal of semi auto rifles and pump action shot guns is the reason why the deaths have decreased.
So it's not "cool" to shoot someone with a single shot bolt action rifle???
Be clear. Explain what your quote is refering too. You're obviously leaning on something but it isn't clear.
Also, define what the quote means by gun restrictions.
Are they refering to the new licensing procedure where it is mandatory to attend a firearm safety course, have criminal background checks, have the firearms locked in a secure safe with the firing pins removed, regular police visits to inspect the firearms (certain people). If so then those same responsible owners could have semi autos in that safe too and your stats would still remain the same.
Remember, the laws only work for honest people and protect the crims from honest people. Like I said, just last year a cop was killed with an SKK in toowoomba. Crims will always use whatever gun they can get hold of. So criminal shootings will always happen no matter what. You can have all the laws you like, it will have no effect on crims. You could remove every registered firearm from every household in Australia and still have murders involving firearms.
You see, as I said in a post above. There are more guns now then there was then. You can't deny that. But you're saying the deaths have decreased. It seems to me that you are saying, and trying to use the above quote from whatever source to say that becuase there are no more AR15s, SKKs, pump actions on the shelf at the gun store that there are lower firearm deaths. Because that is a cop out.
Now, the ratio of criminal shootings to accidental shootings would be interesting to know in your stats. You got them available at all? It's easy to throw stats around but when those stats are broken down then we can see where the figures fall.
I would say the honest people have become smarter when handling a firearm for sure. The firearms are not left in the closet with the pin in ready to go so young johnny can blow his mates head off accidently, there is definitely more care taken by owners hence your figures.....but there are more firearms now.
Even grapplers ref to Switzerland is proof that correct training for honest people is the key.
A 5 mag single shot bolt action 243 will kill just as well as a soviet SKK or colt AR15. Doesn't matter what the weapon is and thats what you gun grabbers seem to focus on...the weapon itself and the poor old honest gun owner/enthusiast.
I have no weapons at present so I'm not defending them because I have them. I believe that Australia has been conned big time by a corrupt gov. We got played big time.
Also....we could all be armed to the teeth with full automatics and still not be a threat to these parasite western governments. They have ultrasonic sound weapons that will destroy anything. So a gun would be useless. And they're weapons that we know of. Imagine what the mad c@#ts have got hidden away shouldsuch an event take place.
Do not believe this gov will protect you. They will not.