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Reply #60 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm
 
I refer to the Foreword:

"In the years following the first edition of the TE-SAT, the overall number of terrorist attacks in the European Union decreased, largely owing to a substantial drop in the number of separatist attacks, which over at ten-year period comprised the largest proportion of attacks reported by Member States. In contrast, the threat of jihadist terror has increased considerably since 2006, culminating in large-scale attacks such as those in Paris in 2015 and in Brussels, Nice and Berlin in 2016. Attacks committed by right-wing extremists have rarely been reported by Members States over the years and were therefore never prominently covered in the TE-SAT. The same applies to acts of single-issue terrorism, whereas left-wing extremist terrorism appears to be a constant in some Member States, as reflected in the TE-SAT reports over the years. However, none of the reported activities in any terrorist category have been as lethal and have had such an impact on society as a whole as those committed by jihadist terrorists...
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Reply #61 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:14pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
I refer to the Foreword:

"In the years following the first edition of the TE-SAT, the overall number of terrorist attacks in the European Union decreased, largely owing to a substantial drop in the number of separatist attacks, which over at ten-year period comprised the largest proportion of attacks reported by Member States. In contrast, the threat of jihadist terror has increased considerably since 2006, culminating in large-scale attacks such as those in Paris in 2015 and in Brussels, Nice and Berlin in 2016. Attacks committed by right-wing extremists have rarely been reported by Members States over the years and were therefore never prominently covered in the TE-SAT. The same applies to acts of single-issue terrorism, whereas left-wing extremist terrorism appears to be a constant in some Member States, as reflected in the TE-SAT reports over the years. However, none of the reported activities in any terrorist category have been as lethal and have had such an impact on society as a whole as those committed by jihadist terrorists...


Thank you for that reference.

However, my argument is that the majority of terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

And, all official statistics support my claim.

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Reply #62 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:19pm
 
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#1: ... Jihadist attacks, however, cause more deaths and casualties than any other terrorist attacks...

#3: Jihadist attacks are committed primarily by home-grown terrorists, radicalised in their country of residence without having travelled to join a terrorist group abroad....

#8: The often rudimentary and fragmented knowledge of Islam of (aspiring) jihadist terrorists makes them vulnerable to being influenced and manipulated by those who selectively use religious texts to fit a violent ideology....

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Reply #63 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:20pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
I refer to the Foreword:

"In the years following the first edition of the TE-SAT, the overall number of terrorist attacks in the European Union decreased, largely owing to a substantial drop in the number of separatist attacks, which over at ten-year period comprised the largest proportion of attacks reported by Member States. In contrast, the threat of jihadist terror has increased considerably since 2006, culminating in large-scale attacks such as those in Paris in 2015 and in Brussels, Nice and Berlin in 2016. Attacks committed by right-wing extremists have rarely been reported by Members States over the years and were therefore never prominently covered in the TE-SAT. The same applies to acts of single-issue terrorism, whereas left-wing extremist terrorism appears to be a constant in some Member States, as reflected in the TE-SAT reports over the years. However, none of the reported activities in any terrorist category have been as lethal and have had such an impact on society as a whole as those committed by jihadist terrorists...


Thank you for that reference.

However, my argument is that the majority of terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

And, all official statistics support my claim.



Sure, and you are also missing out on the fundamental point, which is that separatist attacks are localised to their specific country. Jihadist attacks are all over Europe. For a single ideology, 16% is significant.
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Reply #64 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:24pm
 
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:19pm:
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#1: ... Jihadist attacks, however, cause more deaths and casualties than any other terrorist attacks...

#3: Jihadist attacks are committed primarily by home-grown terrorists, radicalised in their country of residence without having travelled to join a terrorist group abroad....

#8: The often rudimentary and fragmented knowledge of Islam of (aspiring) jihadist terrorists makes them vulnerable to being influenced and manipulated by those who selectively use religious texts to fit a violent ideology....



Yes, it's all there in the report.

Along with:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."
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Reply #65 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:19pm:
Trends:

#1: ... Jihadist attacks, however, cause more deaths and casualties than any other terrorist attacks...

#3: Jihadist attacks are committed primarily by home-grown terrorists, radicalised in their country of residence without having travelled to join a terrorist group abroad....

#8: The often rudimentary and fragmented knowledge of Islam of (aspiring) jihadist terrorists makes them vulnerable to being influenced and manipulated by those who selectively use religious texts to fit a violent ideology....



Yes, it's all there in the report.

Along with:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."
Which country?
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Reply #66 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:19pm:
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#1: ... Jihadist attacks, however, cause more deaths and casualties than any other terrorist attacks...

#3: Jihadist attacks are committed primarily by home-grown terrorists, radicalised in their country of residence without having travelled to join a terrorist group abroad....

#8: The often rudimentary and fragmented knowledge of Islam of (aspiring) jihadist terrorists makes them vulnerable to being influenced and manipulated by those who selectively use religious texts to fit a violent ideology....



Yes, it's all there in the report.

Along with:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."
Which country?


It's a report on Europe, Homo.

Europe isn't a country.

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Reply #67 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:19pm:
Trends:

#1: ... Jihadist attacks, however, cause more deaths and casualties than any other terrorist attacks...

#3: Jihadist attacks are committed primarily by home-grown terrorists, radicalised in their country of residence without having travelled to join a terrorist group abroad....

#8: The often rudimentary and fragmented knowledge of Islam of (aspiring) jihadist terrorists makes them vulnerable to being influenced and manipulated by those who selectively use religious texts to fit a violent ideology....



Yes, it's all there in the report.

Along with:

"Ethno-nationalist and separatist terrorist attacks
continue to far outnumber attacks carried out by
violent extremists inspired by any other ideologies or
motivations."
Which country?


It's a report on Europe, Homo.

Europe isn't a country.


Got a report for the middle east?
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Reply #68 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:32pm
 

"Most terrorist attacks carried out
in the EU in 2017 were specified as
separatist attacks (137 out of 205).

"France counted 42 attacks, Spain
experienced 7 attacks.

"There were 88 security-related incidents in Northern
Ireland, of which 58 were shooting and
30 were bombing incidents."


All of this is in the report, Homo.

Why not take the time to read it?

Oh, and if you can find any graffiti attacks in the report, please let us know.

Cheers   Wink
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Reply #69 - Oct 8th, 2018 at 10:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 2:32pm:

The majority of terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims - this fact has already been established.





The majority of moslems, are moslems - this fact has already been established.



Every moslem,         is a moslem.

Every moslem,         is a follower of ISLAM.





IMAGE.....
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Self-Described ‘Islamic Bonnie and Clyde’ Guilty of Plot to Attack ‘Non-Believers,’



Quote:

Prosecutors alleged Bayda.....said each believed they had a “religious obligation to attack non-believers”.


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/10/australia-islamic-bonnie-and-clyde-plotted-ne...




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1517662538/0#0
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AN INDISPUTABLE PREAMBLE....

Every moslem          has sworn everlasting allegiance to Allah.

Every moslem,         is a moslem.

Every moslem,         is a follower of ISLAM.






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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1522634108/1#1
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Every moslem is a dangerous, and unstable person.

Why so ?



Because every moslem, is a moslem.





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda



QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],      ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?


QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'],     ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?








MORE HERE.....


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34


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Reply #70 - Oct 13th, 2018 at 8:31am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
I refer to the Foreword:

"In the years following the first edition of the TE-SAT, the overall number of terrorist attacks in the European Union decreased, largely owing to a substantial drop in the number of separatist attacks, which over at ten-year period comprised the largest proportion of attacks reported by Member States. In contrast, the threat of jihadist terror has increased considerably since 2006, culminating in large-scale attacks such as those in Paris in 2015 and in Brussels, Nice and Berlin in 2016. Attacks committed by right-wing extremists have rarely been reported by Members States over the years and were therefore never prominently covered in the TE-SAT. The same applies to acts of single-issue terrorism, whereas left-wing extremist terrorism appears to be a constant in some Member States, as reflected in the TE-SAT reports over the years. However, none of the reported activities in any terrorist category have been as lethal and have had such an impact on society as a whole as those committed by jihadist terrorists...


Thank you for that reference.

However, my argument is that the majority of terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

And, all official statistics support my claim.



Greg has several arguments, ranging in accuracy from misleading to blatant lies, but all incredibly stupid. When challenged he retreats to parroting misleading statistics and refusing to offer any opinion of his own.
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Reply #71 - Oct 13th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Oct 8th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
I refer to the Foreword:

"In the years following the first edition of the TE-SAT, the overall number of terrorist attacks in the European Union decreased, largely owing to a substantial drop in the number of separatist attacks, which over at ten-year period comprised the largest proportion of attacks reported by Member States. In contrast, the threat of jihadist terror has increased considerably since 2006, culminating in large-scale attacks such as those in Paris in 2015 and in Brussels, Nice and Berlin in 2016. Attacks committed by right-wing extremists have rarely been reported by Members States over the years and were therefore never prominently covered in the TE-SAT. The same applies to acts of single-issue terrorism, whereas left-wing extremist terrorism appears to be a constant in some Member States, as reflected in the TE-SAT reports over the years. However, none of the reported activities in any terrorist category have been as lethal and have had such an impact on society as a whole as those committed by jihadist terrorists...


Thank you for that reference.

However, my argument is that the majority of terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

And, all official statistics support my claim.



Well, we can simply just focus on quantitative stuff here, or actually also focus on qualitative stuff.
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Reply #72 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 2:23pm
 
Oh look, our great freedom warrior finally enters the thread that advocates indefinitely detaining the entire muslim population - men, women and children - not to condemn the idea, or endlessly troll the proponent with inane rhetorical questions, and harass them across multiple threads.

No, he enters the thread in order to continue his relentless trolling of one of the people who does stand up against this outrageous attack on freedom.
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Reply #73 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 5:25pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 2:23pm:

Oh look,         our great freedom warrior finally enters the thread that advocates indefinitely detaining the entire muslim population - men, women and children - not to condemn....this outrageous attack on freedom.




Oh look, a moslem,        virtue signalling.

Oh look, a follower of ISLAM,        virtue signalling.





Don't you feel like a hypocrite gandalf, when you know, full-well, that ISLAMIC law does not allow freedom, not even freedom of conscience, to men ?

And here you are, pretending to be shocked and outraged, because, YES, i do propose,
that ALL THOSE who        belong to, and follow,       a philosophy which promotes violent religious bigotry,
should be quarantined from society.



QUARANTINE WORKS!!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/34#34

and....
The argument for administrative detention, for all 'Aussie' followers of ISLAM
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1538349389/0#0



gandalf,

I contradict you.

You do not support PEACE, and you not support human FREEDOM, and you not support TOLERANCE.

I know this,     because i know that you willingly belong to, and follow,
a philosophy which promotes violent religious bigotry,
against those who do not believe as you believe.

If you did support PEACE, and if you support human FREEDOM, and you did support TOLERANCE, you would renounce and denounce ISLAM.

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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534424949/6#6

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534293083/42#42

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1533155075/3#3

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1527009816/4#4



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ISLAM,      is a philosophy which promotes violent religious bigotry,
and imo, all of its members should be quarantined from society.




"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22


"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23


"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4




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Reply #74 - Oct 15th, 2018 at 6:41pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 15th, 2018 at 2:23pm:
Oh look, our great freedom warrior finally enters the thread that advocates indefinitely detaining the entire muslim population - men, women and children - not to condemn the idea, or endlessly troll the proponent with inane rhetorical questions, and harass them across multiple threads.

No, he enters the thread in order to continue his relentless trolling of one of the people who does stand up against this outrageous attack on freedom.


Why aren't you arguing with Yadda Gandalf? Do you secretly agree with him?
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