polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 3:28pm:



I would hope that the children [those under say, 14 years of age] of the followers of ISLAM, would stay with their female parent or close female relative, while in administrative detention.

[males and females being wholly and completely separated, while being held in administrative detention.]

All family members, having an option to voluntarily leave Australia.

They could go, and migrate to Saudi Arabia, or to some other moslem majority paradise.

A place, a nation, where they wouldn't be continually 'unfairly' 'persecuted',    within an infidel majority nation.




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Apologies in advance, for the '5 pages' which follow.....



Moslems are a perpetually disaffected, belligerent, and unhappy people.

QUESTION;
Why is that so ?




Just think about a few circumstances;



Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem

Hindus living with Christians = No Problem

Hindus living with Jews = No Problem

Christians living with Shintos = No Problem

Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem

Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem

Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem

Jews living with Atheists = No Problem

Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem

Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem

Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem

Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem

Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem

Christians living with Jews = No Problem

Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem

Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem

Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem

Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem

Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem




BUT, EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD;

Moslems living with Hindus = Problem

Moslems living with Buddhists = Problem

Moslems living with Christians = Problem

Moslems living with Jews = Problem

Moslems living with Sikhs = Problem

Moslems living with Baha'is = Problem

Moslems living with Shintos = Problem

Moslems living with Atheists = Problem



And moslems living with moslems = =

i.e.
Wherever we see large numbers of moslems 'congregate' together with the intention to form 'mutually beneficial' society, almost without exception, we see that moslem majority societies are nests of oppression, depravity, corruption, violence, injustice, and human poverty.


e.g.

Moslems are not happy, in Gaza

Moslems are not happy, in Egypt

Moslems are not happy, in Libya

Moslems are not happy, in Morocco

Moslems are not happy, in Iran

Moslems are not happy, in Turkey

Moslems are not happy, in Jordan

Moslems are not happy, in Iraq

Moslems are not happy, in Yemen

Moslems are not happy, in Afghanistan

Moslems are not happy, in Pakistan

Moslems are not happy, in Syria

Moslems are not happy, in Somalia

Moslems are not happy, in Tunisia

Moslems are not happy, in Lebanon

Moslems are not happy, in Nigeria

Moslems are not happy, in Kenya

Moslems are not happy, in Sudan


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So, where are moslems happy?

i.e.

Where does 'the moslem' [who wishes to emigrate from his moslem majority homeland], seek travel to, to seek to live ?


Well;

Moslems want to live in secular Australia

Moslems want to live in secular England

Moslems want to live in secular Belgium

Moslems want to live in secular France

Moslems want to live in secular Italy

Moslems want to live in secular Germany

Moslems want to live in secular Sweden

Moslems want to live in secular USA

Moslems want to live in secular Norway

Moslems want to live in secular Canada





QUESTION;
WHAT CAN WE CONCLUDE FROM THESE COMMON CIRCUMSTANCES ?

ANSWER;
AN EXAMINATION OF CIRCUMSTANCE, WOULD SUGGEST, THAT;

A majority of those moslems [who are currently living in a moslem majority country], would prefer to live in almost any [other] country, so long as that [other] country was not a moslem majority country!





BUT WE ALSO SEE A STRANGE AND DESTRUCTIVE DESIRE EXPRESSED BY MANY MOSLEMS WITHIN ALMOST ALL 'GUEST' MOSLEM COMMUNITIES, WITHIN SECULAR NATIONS;

Whenever moslems come to live in secular nations [because the moslem found their own moslem majority homeland, under the influence of ISLAM, to be an intolerable place to live!], moslem immigrants, invariably, express a desire to change the secular nation that they have come to live in, to be like the homeland that they came from !

Even though moslems often, have fled their homeland, because it was a nation [under the influence of ISLAM] where their lives were desperately unhappy or unsafe !

issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 1:37pm:




issue,

I would argue that my arguments do not rely, in any sense, upon a 'police-state' response against ISLAM, in Australia.


Rather, lawful action against the moslem community in Australia is called for,
based upon 1/ sound reason and 2/ a requirement for action, in existing standing law.




Reason.

It can easily be proven [to any reasonable person], that ISLAM is a violent, deceitful, predatory, and supremacist philosophy.


EVIDENCE.
1/ Read about the promotion of violent religious bigotry within [mainstream] ISLAMIC religious texts,
2/ listen to those more candid spokesmen for ISLAM, promoting violence and mayhem against disbelievers, and against the peoples of disbelieving nations.


EXAMPLE;

Quote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-...



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Law.

ISLAM and members of the moslem community have often be seen, promoting active sedition [promotion of, and calls for, overthrowing of the [secular] lawful state, the 'common-wealth' of Australia,
and calls for actual acts of terror against non-moslems] and treasonous undermining of the 'common-wealth' of Australia [in, extensive criminal activities, corruption, and massive welfare fraud] undermining of a host states 'treasure' and common peace, and undermining of law and order.


EVIDENCE.

WITNESS, the good 'Aussie' moslems,
who are,     behind closed doors,
teaching their children how to 'practice' ISLAM.....


Quote:
- 'Aussie' moslem child, being taught 'how to practice ISLAM', in Australia.


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  -------- >   goto 43 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E







@ 1 min 35 sec in that YT....
[An 'Aussie' moslem, Bilal Merhi, addressing 200,000 followers of ISLAM, in Indonesia....

Quote:



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More evidence.....

Quote:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

Yadda, your opening post calls for "all Aussie followers of Islam to be detained." That would require the powers of a Police State. Not only is such detention not going to happen, even as a theoretical proposition, it would be counter-productive, in that it would increase the sympathy of media who control public opinion.

Your argument that belief in Islam is dangerously irrational, can easily be applied to other beliefs. Whether it is an accurate view, is beside the point. Islam is tolerated legally, and excused of violence under the idea that it is misuderstood. These are the two points that frame public opinion toward Muzlums. Also, while it is somewhat contradictory, the Australian psyche has been steeped in mistrust of police-action since colonial times.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:



No it wouldn't.

Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_detention



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issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:


Yadda paraphrases...

We shouldn't;
1/ seek to bring ISLAM and its followers in Australia, 'to account',
2/ nor should we [accurately] publicly characterise ISLAM as a murderous death cult,
3/ nor seek to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia,
4/ nor seek to LAWFULLY detain all self-declared followers of ISLAM in Australia in administrative detention,
because Australian mainstream media types like issue, and many ordinary Australians, would fear being labelled as ISLAM-O-PHOBIC.

And that would be,      so, so, so not P.C.


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issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:


issue,

That was not MY argument.

My argument, IS, that        ISLAM is a deceitful, devious, dangerous, supremacist, murderous death cult.

And, that ALL of the followers of ISLAM, are dangerous people,
because following the strictures of their 'faith',
transforms every one of them, into a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac.

And that all Australians and our parliamentarians, need to recognise, AND CONFRONT, that fact.



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issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:




So what are you going to do about it ?
...apart from implying that my criticism of ISLAM 'may be' irrational. re.

"Whether it is an accurate view, is beside the point."

Your own main argument, is that my proposal for a reasoned     AND A REAL AND PRACTICAL    response, to the threat which is facing all Australians [from 'Aussie' moslems], is 'impractical' or, that it would be difficult to 'sell', to mainstream Australia ?



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issuevoter wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm:


issue,

What do you suggest ?

That we ask our Australian governments to disband our state and federal police services ?

[Yes, i'm just being 'silly'.        But not as silly as people like yourself.]



issue,

People like ourselves [those of us who are aware of the very real threat which a 'free'-and-unencumbered-ISLAM-in-Australia, poses to all Australians],
and yet still;

Refusing, to consider, doing what is both morally right [i.e. lawful] and practical, to alleviate that serious threat,
because suggesting that action, may be presented by many left-leaning Australians,
to all other Australians, as being ISLAM-O-PHOBIC, is both cowardly and foolish,
and a defeatist and impotent response, imo.

moses wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2018 at 4:21pm:



Thanks moses.

And i am in 100% agreement with your own stated assessment.



We [all Australians] need to honestly confront, what ISLAM really is, and to honestly confront the truth, about the nefarious and violent supremacist intentions which mainstream ISLAM fosters and promotes,
everywhere in the world that ISLAM is found.

The wider Australian community needs to recognise,       that in a sense, the moslem community in Australia, is a waterlogged 'swamp', where militant ISLAMISTS are being permitted to safely 'swim' [and hide].

And we too, need to drain [remove] the swamp, which is hiding the violent militancy which ISLAM fosters.


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And as freediver also has pointed out,
it is apparent,      that moslems show no intention, of 'reforming' their parasitic and vicious, and deceitful 'faith'.

Because we can see,       that the only thing which the moslems who are living within Western nations,
ARE PREPARED TO OFFER US,
is their denials,
and their deceit,
whenever anyone is critical of the influence of ISLAM.....


freediver said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1459123428/75#75
Quote:

issue giving a lecture on how to be calm and collected when arguing against Islam. Hmmm

Perhaps, issue, you could offer Yadda some advise on how to "coolly and concisely" engage in unprovoked personal abuse to enhance the argument. I think that would really give him the moral edge - wouldn't you say?

issuevoter wrote on Oct 4^th, 2018 at 8:45am:



issue,

ARGUMENT;
Majority supported 'solutions' or consensus 'solutions',     have no worth, AT ALL, unless they willingly confront the reality and truth of any serious problem.



issue,


'Entertaining' 'sincere' 'submissions' made to the wider community,       from the moslem community, like the ones which are portrayed in these images below, isn't a solution....





IMAGE.....






Quote:
- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...




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"ISLAM ES PAZ"


IMAGE.....



Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

/sarc off