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Sep 28^th, 2018 at 12:29pm

Auggie, a query, about two moslems --- >

Auggie said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537863818/14#14
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....both Ishamilis and Ahmadis hold views that conform to modern liberalism and democracy.

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Auggie said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1537863818/0#0
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The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem.

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issuevoter wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

The problem with that concept, which is one Gandalf uses for an excuse, is that the other sects will kill you for blasphemy too.....

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Auggie wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 6:42pm:

Not Ahmadis or Ishmailis.

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Auggie,

QUESTION #1;
Is Ali Kadri [shown in the image below], an Ahmadi moslem ?

IMAGE.....

Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

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"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

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Auggie,

QUESTION #2;
Is this woman [in the image below] an Ahmadi moslem ?

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

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Reply #2 - Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:54pm

Yadda,

Do you honestly believe that any person who is devoutly religious or holds any ideology deep in their heart that it becomes part of their identity to simply accept the fact that everyone they have been told in their life or believed has been a lie?

What if I told you that Jesus isn't the saviour and was never resurrected? Would you ever renounce Christianity?

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Reply #3 - Sep 28^th, 2018 at 11:46pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:54pm:

Yadda,

Do you honestly believe that any person who is devoutly religious or holds any ideology deep in their heart that it becomes part of their identity....

to simply accept the fact that everyone they have been told in their life or believed has been a lie?

Auggie,

Such people NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, for who they associate with,
and materially support.

Auggie,

I am talking about persons who are adults, and who have come to the age of consent, persons who, ostensibly, are responsible for the CONSEQUENCES of their own choices.

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1431117115/1#1
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"every moslem in Australia is a latent, wanna-be homicidal maniac"

- Yadda

QUESTION;
What about the innocent moslems ?

IMO, [logically] there are no innocent moslems [among persons who have come to the age of consent], and yet still declare themselves to be moslems.

How so [logically] ?

QUESTION;
How credible is it that a person who is devout enough to insist that he is a moslem, is unaware of what ISLAM promotes, and is unaware of what the principle tenets of ISLAM are ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which transforms human beings, into homicidal maniacs ?

QUESTION;
How 'innocent' is a person who agrees to give aid and comfort [and to give their own 'power'], ...to a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

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Auggie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:54pm:

What if I told you that Jesus isn't the saviour and was never resurrected?

Would you ever renounce Christianity?

Auggie,

Let me turn that Q. around.....

Would i renounce a philosophy which claims that murdering, in the cause of religious bigotry, is a religious virtue ?

Yes, i would.

But that is just me.

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

And ISLAMIC scripture records.....

that
MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger] INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING A POETESS WHO IS CRITICAL OF MOHAMMED, IS HALAL....

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Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Islam_and_peace.htm

Google;
"Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads"

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Reply #4 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:59am

Auggie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:54pm:

Yadda,

Do you honestly believe that any person who is devoutly religious or holds any ideology deep in their heart that it becomes part of their identity to simply accept the fact that everyone they have been told in their life or believed has been a lie?

What if I told you that Jesus isn't the saviour and was never resurrected? Would you ever renounce Christianity?

Would you like to have another go at making sense Auggie?

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Reply #5 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:20pm

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:59am:

Auggie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:54pm:

Yadda,

Do you honestly believe that any person who is devoutly religious or holds any ideology deep in their heart that it becomes part of their identity to simply accept the fact that everyone they have been told in their life or believed has been a lie?

What if I told you that Jesus isn't the saviour and was never resurrected? Would you ever renounce Christianity?

Would you like to have another go at making sense Auggie?

Would you like me to dumb it down even more?

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Reply #6 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:23pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

Auggie,

Such people NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, for who they associate with,
and materially support.

Exactly and you need to responsibility for promoting hate against a group of people. Christianity doesn't advocate violence on earth, but it encourages disassociation and unbelievers and believes them to sinners if they don't believe in a set of propositions which are frankly absurd.

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Reply #7 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:29pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

Auggie,

Such people NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, for who they associate with,
and materially support.

Exactly and you need to responsibility for promoting hate against a group of people. Christianity doesn't advocate violence on earth, but it encourages disassociation and unbelievers and believes them to sinners if they don't believe in a set of propositions which are frankly absurd.

Weally, Fowwest? Where does Christianity advocate such a thing?

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Reply #8 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:36pm

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:29pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

Auggie,

Such people NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, for who they associate with,
and materially support.

Exactly and you need to responsibility for promoting hate against a group of people. Christianity doesn't advocate violence on earth, but it encourages disassociation and unbelievers and believes them to sinners if they don't believe in a set of propositions which are frankly absurd.

Weally, Fowwest? Where does Christianity advocate such a thing?

All those verses about the 'elect of God' and belief in Christ as the Saviour? The hostility to the Jews in the Gospel of Matthew? Take your pick.

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Reply #9 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 1:44pm

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 7:59am:

Auggie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:54pm:

Yadda,

Do you honestly believe that any person who is devoutly religious or holds any ideology deep in their heart that it becomes part of their identity to simply accept the fact that everyone they have been told in their life or believed has been a lie?

What if I told you that Jesus isn't the saviour and was never resurrected? Would you ever renounce Christianity?

Would you like to have another go at making sense Auggie?

Yes, Auggie. Y is a Karmic Christian. He doesn't hold to following the example of Yeheshua. He doesn't believe in forgiveness. He wants us apologists to rot in hell.

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Reply #10 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 4:24pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

Auggie,

Such people NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, for who they associate with,
and materially support.

Exactly and you need to responsibility for promoting hate against a group of people.

Promoting hatred against, ....the followers of ISLAM ?

FAIL !

Auggie,

Here on OzPol,
I'm QUOTING 1/ ISLAM, 2/ ISLAMIC texts, 3/ ISLAMIC doctrines, and, what moslems say, about people who are not moslems.
and yes, sometimes, my conclusions too, based upon all of that material inspired by ISLAM.

'what moslems say' FOR EXAMPLE......

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Auggie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

1/ Christianity doesn't advocate violence on earth,

2/ but it encourages disassociation and from unbelievers and believes them to sinners if they don't believe in a set of propositions which are frankly absurd.

1/ Correct.

2/ That is your opinion, and i'm happy for you to hold and to express such an opinion.

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Reply #11 - Sep 29^th, 2018 at 5:03pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:23pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 11:46pm:

Auggie,

Such people NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, for who they associate with,
and materially support.

Exactly and you need to responsibility for promoting hate against a group of people. Christianity doesn't advocate violence on earth, but it encourages disassociation and unbelievers and believes them to sinners if they don't believe in a set of propositions which are frankly absurd.

Do you associate with and celebrate people who hold views and values opposed to yours? Do progressives embrace Trump, Abbott? Do Muslims celebrate apostates, Jews, polytheists?

You are setting up a secial hurdle for Christians because they believe the same attitude about these things as everyone else. Except, of course, Muslimd DO kill people who disagree with them while everyone else would merely hold their noses.

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Reply #12 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:09am

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 4:24pm:

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

Yadda, you constantly quote this ONE person who holds this view. Are you seriously going to judge the beliefs of over one billion Muslims based on the views of one man?

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 4:24pm:

2/ That is your opinion, and i'm happy for you to hold and to express such an opinion.

Well, it's clear that you are an example of disassociation with non-Christians because you would disassociate yourself with Muslims.

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Reply #13 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:11am

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 5:03pm:

Do you associate with and celebrate people who hold views and values opposed to yours?

I do associate with such people on a daily basis, and I have in the past. People hold differing points of view all the time, some I agree with, others I don't. That is what it is to live in a free society.

Frank wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 5:03pm:

Except, of course, Muslimd DO kill people who disagree with them while everyone else would merely hold their noses.

Sure, some Muslims do kill people, but most don't.

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