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Auggie
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Yadda wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 10:01pm: Auggie wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 7:22pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 7:16pm: Auggie wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 7:10pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 7:01pm: Auggie wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 6:59pm: Yadda wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 6:58pm: Auggie wrote on Sep 26 th, 2018 at 6:51pm:
Honestly, Gandalf, I think you should become an Ahmadi or an Ishmaili;
their beliefs and values are more in line with your thinking than the average Sunni.
Have you set the date yet Auggie, for your conversion to Allah's truest believers ? Or are you already a 'post' conversion moslem ??? I am an Atheist, Yadda. If you were an atheist you would say all sects of Islam are bullshit. They are bullshit. That's not the point here. We're all talking about this in the context of restricting immigration of peoples who don't share our values and beliefs. I believe that Ahmadis and Ishmailis share our values and beliefs, more so than Sunni Muslims; so there is not reason to restrict their entry. If indeed, you are not racist, xenophobic or a bigot, then there's no reason why you should be opposed to unrestricted immigration of these minorities as well UNLESS you can prove to me that their theological reform movements ain't all what they're cracked to be. Imam Tawhidi has distanced himself from the Ahmadis, perhaps you should read why. https://www.facebook.com/TheImamofPeace/posts/2052435591668785I think we need restrictions on immigration, we should bring in people who will contribute instead of parasites who want our welfare. What about Shia Islam do they share our values and beliefs, have a look at Iran after the 1979 Islamic revolution to see what a country ruled by Shia Islam is like. I prefer to look at how the Ahmadis behave and what they belief, rather than what some show Imam says about a particular quote. On Iran, that's the point. The Shia tradition places authority in an individual who has the authority to interpret the Quran and Islamic practices. The problem with Iran is not Shia Islam, it's the Ayatollah. Auggie, the over-riding principle here [in this discussion] is; "If you want to know a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln Auggie, LOOK AT IRAN. And look at what every moslem does, when he becomes a 'strong man' within his own country, within his own tribe, within his own group. He becomes the ruthless tyrant, that ISLAM has instilled within him [and his 'brothers' in faith], to become. Look at 'democratically elected' Erdogan in Turkey, and look at how he has systematically dismantled every check ON HIS POWER AND HIS AUTHORITY. Auggie, ISLAM is corrosive, to the human psyche. ISLAM causes a serious pathology in the human psyche. Do you deny it ? First, point to just one moslem majority jurisdiction in the world today, that is not riven with violence and corruption and injustice. I believe that Sunni Islam is corrosive to the human psyche as you say, but not Ahmadiyyah or Ishmailism.
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