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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem.
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Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:44pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem.

No, no, NO!, Auggie!

The problem with ISLAM isn't ISLAM, the problem is infidels.

The infidels are polluting the earth, with their unbelief.

Just get rid of the infidels!!

PROBLEM SOLVED.

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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW, TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Murdering infidels who resist the moslems, infidels who do not believe what moslems believe, is totally righteous and is totally justified.
......Allah has said so;

Koran 2.98
Koran 47:8-11
Koran 4.74-76

The content of those three Koran verse groups, together, form a 'virtuous circle'.

Each verse group firstly confirms and then reinforces the ISLAMIC 'religious' paradigm, that;
1/ unbelief [in man] is a serious 'religious' crime, and,
2/ the 'criminals' [i.e. the 'unbelievers'] deserve every punishment they get, and the 'criminals' are outside of the protection of law, and that,
3/ good moslems have an obligation to, ....'fight in the cause of Allah' , and all good moslems are 'rightly guided' and are justified in their 'crime fighting'.

Those arguments [above] are 'logically' demonstrated...

1/ "...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." [i.e. 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.].
Koran 2.98
[ - - The enemy of moslems is identified. All of 'unbelieving' mankind, are the declared enemy of moslems.]

2/ "...those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47:8-11
[ - - Here, it is clearly stated to every good moslem, that moslem enmity, violence, and warfare, against 'those who reject Faith', is morally justified, and 'lawful'. /sarc off]

3/ "...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[ - - Those who reject 'Faith' are ipso facto, 'rightly' deemed, by ISLAM and by Allah, as being innately evil. Therefore those who reject 'Faith', are described as 'oppressors', and are the rightful targets of moslem enmity, violence, and warfare.
...'those who reject Faith' are described [Koran 4.74-76], as 'oppressors' and as, 'the friends of Satan'.]

Once again, the 'theology' which ISLAM inculcates into the psyche of all moslems, is this;...

1/ 'Unbelief' [in man] is a crime.
2/ The 'criminals' have no 'lawful' protection whatsoever.
3/ The crime of 'unbelief' >> must << be punished by good moslems, and the punishment of 'unbelief' is morally justified, because, the 'unbelievers' are in league with evil forces, and they are the oppressors of the people [stated in Koran 4.74-76].

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 20956 A cat with a view	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #2 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:50pm -------- > Reply #1 "You know it makes sense!"
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92279 Gender:	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #3 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 7:00pm Not at all, Auggie. It's tintedness.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #4 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 7:32pm Yadda wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:50pm: -------- > Reply #1 "You know it makes sense!" So, how do you explain the fact that very few (if not any) Ahmadis or Ishmailis have committed terrorism? Are they not Muslims?
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Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam...
Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 8:59pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem.

The problem with that concept, which is one Gandalf uses for an excuse, is that the other sects will kill you for blasphemy too. Remember that the Iranian government upped the bounty for killing Salman Rushdie recently, and just today they are boasting that they are going to kill Americans and Israelis for the attack on their big Islamic whoop-de-do yesterday. Don't kid yourself, the problem is the Koran. It instructs them all to kill people. This day in 2014 USA: Muzlim of no particular type, beheads one and tried to kill another. When captured, he said he was only doing what the Koran told him to.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40523 Gender:	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 9:48pm Auggie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm: The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem. Cheeses, you are thick. A problem, full stop.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20223 Gordon Gender:	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 9:55pm The problem is there is more of a problem with Sunni islam.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92279 Gender:	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:00pm Gordon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 9:55pm: The problem is there is more of a problem with Sunni islam. So how come Mr Trump's backing the Sunni Saudis against the Shi'ite Iranians? You tell me that.
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Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam...
Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:26pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

The problem is there is more of a problem with Sunni islam.

So how come Mr Trump's backing the Sunni Saudis against the Shi'ite Iranians? You tell me that.

Oil. As soon as we can stop using it we can build a wall around the middle east

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Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:51pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:26pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 11:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 9:55pm:

The problem is there is more of a problem with Sunni islam.

So how come Mr Trump's backing the Sunni Saudis against the Shi'ite Iranians? You tell me that.

Oil. As soon as we can stop using it we can build a wall around the middle east

The Iranians have oil too, Gordon. They're currently threatening to release lots of oil onto the market to bring prices down, which is exactly what the Saudis have been doing to get the Iranians.

The Israelis don't have any oil, but they're central to US plans. Interestingly, Uncle's support of Israel has almost no economic advantage whatsoever.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #11 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 1:35pm What is "sunni Islam" anyway? How does it differ doctrinally to Ishamaelis or Ahmadis in a way that would lead you to reasonably assume it is the most susceptible to terrorism?
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Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam...
Reply #12 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 6:42pm

issuevoter wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem.

The problem with that concept, which is one Gandalf uses for an excuse, is that the other sects will kill you for blasphemy too. Remember that the Iranian government upped the bounty for killing Salman Rushdie recently, and just today they are boasting that they are going to kill Americans and Israelis for the attack on their big Islamic whoop-de-do yesterday. Don't kid yourself, the problem is the Koran. It instructs them all to kill people. This day in 2014 USA: Muzlim of no particular type, beheads one and tried to kill another. When captured, he said he was only doing what the Koran told him to.

Not Ahmadis or Ishmailis.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17472 Gender:	Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam... Reply #13 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 6:46pm Auggie wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 6:23pm: The problem with Islam isn't Islam, it's SUNNI Islam that's the problem. Are you saying there is no problem with Iran, the mad mullahs routinely execute atheists and gays.
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Re: The problem with Islam isn't Islam...
Reply #14 - Sep 26^th, 2018 at 6:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 1:35pm:

What is "sunni Islam" anyway?

How does it differ doctrinally to Ishamaelis or Ahmadis in a way that would lead you to reasonably assume it is the most susceptible to terrorism?

Good question, and I can answer it.

Sunni comes from the word Sunnah, which means 'way of living'. Sunnah Muslims put a strong emphasis on the living according to how the Prophet lived. Al Ashari, one of the first Islamic scholars, believed that this was the crux of Sunni Islam - that the Prophet was the best exemplar of human behaviour. If taken literally, which Sunnis do, then this leads to a greater temptation toward extremist behaviour or values.

Ishmailis by contrast, focus on the esoteric meaning of the Quran, and use rational thought as a basis for understanding the Quran and Islam in general. Second, the fact that Ishmailis have a religious leader the Aga Khan, who has final authority over the interpretation of scripture means that Ishmailis have adapted Islam to modern circumstances.

With regard to Ahmadis, Mirza Ghulam Ahmadi, the supposed Mahdi of Islam, revised the definition of Jihad from one of warfare to one of the 'Pen'. He also emphasised separation of Church and State, etc.

Thus, both Ishamilis and Ahmadis hold views that conform to modern liberalism and democracy.

Honestly, Gandalf, I think you should become an Ahmadi or an Ishmaili; their beliefs and values are more in line with your thinking than the average Sunni.

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