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13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March
Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

September 20, 2018
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In case you didn't have enough, here's 13 reasons for throwing out the NSW Coalition in the state elections next March. Sad

1. The privatisation of public assets. The sale of the NSW power industry has led to higher power prices while renewable energy has been staved of funds.

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

3. The sale of government buildings and land including the Powerhouse Museum which is being moved to Parramatta.

4. Destruction of the TAFE system. Funding and staff cuts are being accompanied by the promotion of shonky privatised training colleges.

5. Unsustainable land-clearing and the run-down of national parks as well as scrapping the proposed marine park no-fishing zones.

6. Open slather over-development, which gives property developers full control rather than communities.

7. Cutbacks and outsourcing of the state public service with funds spent on consultants rather than permanent public servants.

8. Needless re-building of football stadiums instead of expanding suburban parks and sports and leisure facilities.

9. The sale of public housing including Millers Point and the Sirius building with no new public housing stock and no controls over house prices and rentals.

10. Attempts to privatise public hospitals rather than expand health services, including nursing, aged care and disability staffing and facilities.

11. Funding cuts for public schools and cuts to teachers and support staff numbers.

12. Forced council amalgamations which have led to a lack of local democracy.

13. Increase in police powers and anti-protest laws.

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Re: 13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March
Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2018 at 1:46pm

Labor would do the same things

Gladys is a mouth piece for the elite of Sydney, she needs to go but Foley would also be a mouth piece for the elite. The elite have become more powerful with each weak Premier elected and Foley is another weaky

Bob Carr proved that Labor won't do anything about easing the burden of tolls. He lied before an election, and came up with an excuse after that same election why easing tolls won't work. He bowed to the elite, and told Sydney motorists to get stuffed, that's what he effectively did ... all because he knew he could get away with lying to the voting public if it meant winning the election

So that summed up Labor for me, then and into the future regarding tolls, and just about every other issue

Gladys and Foley should go home and look after their families and forget about politics, they're just weak egotists, what NSW needs is strong genuine authentic leadership with policies other than those of the elite

Privatization has ruined NSW, both parties agreed with it, look at power prices, skyhigh ,and we're promised lower costs from both sides but it's a con, like a scam on the internet

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Re: 13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March
Reply #3 - Sep 27^th, 2018 at 9:22am

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

September 20, 2018
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In case you didn't have enough, here's 13 reasons for throwing out the NSW Coalition in the state elections next March. Sad

9. The sale of public housing including Millers Point and the Sirius building with no new public housing stock and no controls over house prices and rentals.

Well that one is utter garbage. They're building almost 1000 units in Macquarie Park alone. A development which is opposed by the local Labor candidate.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: 13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March Reply #4 - Sep 28^th, 2018 at 3:49pm This NSW Government is for the high jump at the next State Election. I'm sure Gladys Big Nose has already lined up her million dollar bank job just like Baird did after he sold off the Electricity Grid
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Stig Senior Member Offline >_< Posts: 399 Gender:	Re: 13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March Reply #5 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:21am whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm: 13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019 11. Funding cuts for public schools and cuts to teachers and support staff numbers. Which should read - building and rebuilding schools which NSW Labor sold off during their term.
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Reply #6 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:27am

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

More rubbish.

Firstly, all governments build motorways using the PPP model. Labor did, the Libs do.

As for the "Building tollways, not public transport." comment - the idiot who wrote the column then goes on to describe one of NSW biggest public transport projects in the very same sentence.

"North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped". North West metro IS heavy rail.

But apart from the NW metro, the Sydney metro, the Eastern suburbs light rail, Northern beaches busway, widening of the Blue Mountians line to finally take all trains, the purchase of dozens of new carriages and hundreds of new buses, plus the Western metro about to kick off, what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

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Reply #7 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:24am

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

More rubbish.

Firstly, all governments build motorways using the PPP model. Labor did, the Libs do.

As for the "Building tollways, not public transport." comment - the idiot who wrote the column then goes on to describe one of NSW biggest public transport projects in the very same sentence.

"North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped". North West metro IS heavy rail.

But apart from the NW metro, the Sydney metro, the Eastern suburbs light rail, Northern beaches busway, widening of the Blue Mountians line to finally take all trains, the purchase of dozens of new carriages and hundreds of new buses, plus the Western metro about to kick off, what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

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North West metro IS heavy rail.

This fast rail project is an expensive bad joke. It closes the current Macquarrie park line which has been in operation since 2009 (our newest line) to rebuild it at great cost.

The single deck trains with minimal seating will be a nightmare for commuters who will be standing for the entire journey. This has been a unnecessary political move which will not return a profit into the foreseeable future.

This is to be Sydney's newest white elephant. In the mean time the new timetable going into place next week is another nightmare guaranteed to take everyone longer in their daily commute. For some a lot longer.

The introduction of a different standard making trains more limited in application thank goodness as they are inferior trains to what we have.

This decision is costing many millions and is absolutely insane. We are tearing down and replacing our newest stations we are pulling up our newest tracks and re building our newest tunnels, closing an important train line for 15 months (they say 7 - BS) ? Insanity.

Yes - the incompetence with this train line alone is reason enough to sack the Abphabet gruberment.

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what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

Yep - they sure screwed it up.

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Re: 13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March
Reply #8 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:44am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:24am:

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

More rubbish.

Firstly, all governments build motorways using the PPP model. Labor did, the Libs do.

As for the "Building tollways, not public transport." comment - the idiot who wrote the column then goes on to describe one of NSW biggest public transport projects in the very same sentence.

"North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped". North West metro IS heavy rail.

But apart from the NW metro, the Sydney metro, the Eastern suburbs light rail, Northern beaches busway, widening of the Blue Mountians line to finally take all trains, the purchase of dozens of new carriages and hundreds of new buses, plus the Western metro about to kick off, what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

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North West metro IS heavy rail.

This fast rail project is an expensive bad joke.

It isn't fast rail, it isn't light rail. It's heavy rail. Just like a double decker is heavy rail. Although the metro is a generation ahead of what we have now.

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It closes the current Macquarrie park line which has been in operation since 2009 (our newest line) to rebuild it at great cost.

The Macquarie Park line that Labor half-finished, missed a station, made too steep for some train types, ran over cost and stuffed the main northern lines to get a miserable 4 trains per hour on the new extension.

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The single deck trains with minimal seating will be a nightmare for commuters who will be standing for the entire journey.

The "minimal seating" thing is more rubbish hype. There are almost 4 times the number of trains per hour as the current line. More trains = more seats, so even though a metro has less seats per car, the number overall is the same (in fact probably slightly more). Plus not everyone gets on at Rouse Hill and rides the whole way to the city.

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This has been a unnecessary political move which will not return a profit into the foreseeable future.

This has been a necessary move which will move Sydney trains into the future and away from the ancient double decker sets.

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This is to be Sydney's newest white elephant. In the mean time the new timetable going into place next week is another nightmare guaranteed to take everyone longer in their daily commute. For some a lot longer.

The introduction of a different standard making trains more limited in application thank goodness as they are inferior trains to what we have.

The new trains are better in almost every conceivable way.
Ultimately most people will wonder what all the whinging was ever about. [/quote]

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Re: 13 Reasons To Throw NSW Coalition Out In March
Reply #9 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 9:14am

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:24am:

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

More rubbish.

Firstly, all governments build motorways using the PPP model. Labor did, the Libs do.

As for the "Building tollways, not public transport." comment - the idiot who wrote the column then goes on to describe one of NSW biggest public transport projects in the very same sentence.

"North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped". North West metro IS heavy rail.

But apart from the NW metro, the Sydney metro, the Eastern suburbs light rail, Northern beaches busway, widening of the Blue Mountians line to finally take all trains, the purchase of dozens of new carriages and hundreds of new buses, plus the Western metro about to kick off, what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

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North West metro IS heavy rail.

This fast rail project is an expensive bad joke.

It isn't fast rail, it isn't light rail. It's heavy rail. Just like a double decker is heavy rail. Although the metro is a generation ahead of what we have now.

Never said it wasn't heavy rail just shorthanded the rapid transit term to fast rail not wanting to look up the exact term or be too pedantic.

There are benefits just not enough, it i snot (is not -typo) going to be pretty when put into action. They will not get the train thru-put they claim nor the reliability.

The typo was funny enough to leave.

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Reply #11 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 9:42am

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

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North West metro IS heavy rail.

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The single deck trains with minimal seating will be a nightmare for commuters who will be standing for the entire journey.

The "minimal seating" thing is more rubbish hype. There are almost 4 times the number of trains per hour as the current line. More trains = more seats, so even though a metro has less seats per car, the number overall is the same (in fact probably slightly more). Plus not everyone gets on at Rouse Hill and rides the whole way to the city.

I think you are talking about capacity which is close to the same the difference is that 80% capacity is standing only.

It also is dependant of actually achieving trains at 4 min intervals, they have not ordered sufficient rolling stock to achieve that in reality unless they significantly reduce the numbers in the other direction and or have no maintenance schedule or events. Both of which are unlikely.

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Reply #12 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 12:15pm

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

This has been a necessary move which will move Sydney trains into the future and away from the ancient double decker sets.

The actual numbers say that the demand isn't there and it will be costing the tax payer to run the service (runs at a loss).

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The new trains are better in almost every conceivable way.
Ultimately most people will wonder what all the whinging was ever about.

The people disadvantage while the work is going on with thank nobody and they will remember.

The many people using services which will no longer exist won't be pleased either. This is even in the best case scenario.

Then when the substandard new regional trains come online we will see another outcry. Less seating and half the seats locked backwards. Dumbest thing ever.

No afraid it will be alphabet soup.

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Reply #13 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:00pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:24am:

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

More rubbish.

Firstly, all governments build motorways using the PPP model. Labor did, the Libs do.

As for the "Building tollways, not public transport." comment - the idiot who wrote the column then goes on to describe one of NSW biggest public transport projects in the very same sentence.

"North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped". North West metro IS heavy rail.

But apart from the NW metro, the Sydney metro, the Eastern suburbs light rail, Northern beaches busway, widening of the Blue Mountians line to finally take all trains, the purchase of dozens of new carriages and hundreds of new buses, plus the Western metro about to kick off, what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

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North West metro IS heavy rail.

This fast rail project is an expensive bad joke.

It isn't fast rail, it isn't light rail. It's heavy rail. Just like a double decker is heavy rail. Although the metro is a generation ahead of what we have now.

There are benefits just not enough, it i snot (is not -typo) going to be pretty when put into action. They will not get the train thru-put they claim nor the reliability.

Why? Says who? We're not even going for the maximum throughput first off, the metro is capable of one train every 2 minutes, which is the same as similar systems overseas.

We can get similar levels (one train per 4 minutes) on our ancient double checkers, but we can't match the dwell time that a metro gives.

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Reply #14 - Sep 30^th, 2018 at 4:29pm

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 1:00pm:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:44am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 8:24am:

Stig wrote on Sep 30^th, 2018 at 7:27am:

whiteknight wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 12:02pm:

13 reasons to throw the NSW Coalition out in March 2019

2. Building tollways, not public transport. The $17 billion WestConnex tollway scam will extend to northern Sydney and Wollongong. Privatised North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped. Light rail projects are another excuse to privatise public transport.

More rubbish.

Firstly, all governments build motorways using the PPP model. Labor did, the Libs do.

As for the "Building tollways, not public transport." comment - the idiot who wrote the column then goes on to describe one of NSW biggest public transport projects in the very same sentence.

"North-West Metro is a priority while heavy rail is being scrapped". North West metro IS heavy rail.

But apart from the NW metro, the Sydney metro, the Eastern suburbs light rail, Northern beaches busway, widening of the Blue Mountians line to finally take all trains, the purchase of dozens of new carriages and hundreds of new buses, plus the Western metro about to kick off, what did the NSW Libs ever do for public transport

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North West metro IS heavy rail.

This fast rail project is an expensive bad joke.

It isn't fast rail, it isn't light rail. It's heavy rail. Just like a double decker is heavy rail. Although the metro is a generation ahead of what we have now.

There are benefits just not enough, it i snot (is not -typo) going to be pretty when put into action. They will not get the train thru-put they claim nor the reliability.

Why? Says who? We're not even going for the maximum throughput first off, the metro is capable of one train every 2 minutes, which is the same as similar systems overseas.

We can get similar levels (one train per 4 minutes) on our ancient double checkers, but we can't match the dwell time that a metro gives.

The current time table runs one train every 3 minutes - one train every four minutes is less than we currently have, not such a great selling point.

The Macquarie park line currently was running one every 15 minutes because that is what was needed not because it was the best they could do. with the change they need to make one every 4 minutes to just break even and that is with around 80% standing.

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