Auggie wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:


Why does it matter? All Muslim groups are a minority in the west. How does that change anything, other than their ability to achieve their aims?

If someone was criticising Nazis, would you respond by insisting that the important fact is that Nazis are a minority?

freediver wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:


Exactly, so tell that to Yadda who made the claim originally.

Yadda wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:44pm:


Don't kid yourself, Ahmadis wouldn't be the victims [of other moslems], if the Ahmadis were in the majority!

Auggie wrote on Sep 28^th, 2018 at 10:48pm:



Thank you.



Auggie,

The reason that i made that statement, was, that i am working, thinking, upon this following logic.

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Every moslem,         is a moslem.

Every moslem,         is a follower of ISLAM.





Every devout moslem,         is enthralled by, and worships, the deity known as Allah.

Every devout moslem,         reveres the virtue of Mohammed, the messenger of Allah.

Every devout moslem,         reveres the Koran as [its words] being divine holy scripture,
and those words being 1/ immutable and 2/ inerrant,
and that its entire contents are attributed, as being the unaltered and direct words of Allah.




Auggie,

Those facts [above], being apparent, and being so.....
what gives you confidence, that Ahmadi moslems would behave any differently [from Sunnis],
if the Ahmadi moslems were the majority, and the Sunnis [lets say] were a minority sect of ISLAM ?


Auggie,

Read the Koran, study the texts.

The whole of the ISLAMIC strategy for 'success',       is built upon the violence, the deceit, and treachery, and betrayal which ISLAMIC tenets promote,
and, with the one sole 'noble' objective, justifying their treacherous and murderous behaviour.

.....which is,        to seize the 'moslem street', in order to impose the victors version of tyranny [i.e. ISLAM] upon all of mankind !




"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102


"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

freediver wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 8:00am:


The Ahmadis have rewritten Islamic theology to cleanse itself of the violence and intolerance. Being a minority is incidental to these core beliefs.

Yadda wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:26am:


Ahmadis denounce the usage of a sword or any other form of coercion as a method of the propagation of the Islamic faith. In contrast to some of the commonly held views that historically Islam was spread by force, Ahmadis maintain that early Muslims did not take up the sword in order to spread their faith, but rather for the preservation of religion. In particular, the founder of the movement, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad stated that when Islam began gaining converts upon its birth, there was an ever-increasing tension against the new converts by the pagans of Mecca, which resulted in them being severely persecuted for many years. After many years of patience, the Muslim converts migrated to the neighbouring city of Medina. This did not stop persecuting the Muslims. They were pursued by the Pagans and it was only then that the Muslims first took up the sword in order to defend their lives and preserve the religion.[3]

Ahmadis denounce the usage of a sword as an Islamic concept with support from the Qur'an which according to them categorically rejects any form of coercion in religion. The Qur'an states:
“      There is no compulsion in religion      ”
— The Qur'an 2:256

The fourth Caliph, of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Mirza Tahir Ahmad states:
“      As far as Islam is concerned, it categorically rejects and condemns every form of terrorism. It does not provide any cover or justification for any act of violence, be it committed by an individual, a group or a government..... I most strongly condemn all acts and forms of terrorism because it is my deeply rooted belief that not only Islam but also no true religion, whatever its name, can sanction violence and bloodshed of innocent men, women and children in the name of God      ”
— Murder in the Name of Allah - Mirza Tahir Ahmad [4]

So you would not say anything like this?

Auggie wrote on Sep 26^th, 2018 at 6:56pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:


Can you explain how something as incidental as their minority status informs on them and becomes the key fact?