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Re: The Superior Man
Reply #15 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:38am

AiA wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:26am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 8:46am:

obama practices the "timid approach to life"

Obama is a self-made man, unlike Trump who would have exactly the same wealth he has today had he simply invested his inheritance ... he is a pathetic businessman, like Howard Hughes, another man who played with daddy's money.

daddy built a few unit blocks in brooklyn.
if it wasnt for his son, no one would have even heard of him.

trumps name will be remembered throughout the ages.
i cant think of anyone who has climbed to the top of so many dominance hierachies

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Reply #17 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:58am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 8:51am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 8:47am:

Oh look aqua its amazing what you left out of wiki

Reportedly, Trump asked his contractors, among them HRH Construction, to also do the work without making a profit, promising them publicity, but never mentioned their contributions afterwards, except in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wollman_Rink

the lion doesnt acknowledge the rabbit .
why would he?

It was part of the deal. This is why people don't trust Trump or rarely will they work with him twice.

He doesn't honour his deals and is not a man of his word.

That simple fact alone, to me, would rule him out as being "superior".

If he can't achieve his goals without having to break his word then his dishonesty and lack of character means he isn't superior, he's a conman.

Just like any meetings people would take with Trump in his office when he's trying to negotiate money from them. They all come out with the same story. About 10 minutes into the meeting, Trump will get a call, say something like "They don't want to accept the 40Million? Offer them $60million instead" and hang up.

If he were a superior man, he wouldn't need to use such deceitful tactics.

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if the rabbit doesnt get enough attention, then he can take on lion like qualities and enter the brutal world of the superior being.
if he is too timid to do that, then he can get back in his burrow and STFU

Timid? They made a deal with Trump to do the work at COST, so he could win a feud and prove a point with the mayor that he could do it faster and cheaper than the city officials, all because Trump wanted to leverage more tax breaks, city funds and get his name on the Rink and what is now known as the Javits Center on Manhattan's west side.

This was in return for Trump giving them publicity to help with future business. But he didn't. He was too busy with his completely ego driven feud. 100%.

Trump donated around $70k in one campaign to Koch for his mayoral bid. After he was successful, Trump tried to call in the favour. When Trump was rejected, he saw that as Koch being disloyal and Trump's fragile ego got in the way and started the whole feud.

Where have we seen this before? It happens all the time with Trump, the latest being Jeff Sessions.

It boils down to Trump only worrying about himself and his ego, profits and personal vendettas. He burned all those who worked with him, he reneged on promises made and when he couldn't get the Mayor's office to allow any further tax abatements for his attempted future developments, he invested heavily Koch's competitors to secure his loss and removal as mayor.

Again Scoot, you've for months, even years, spoken about the noble man, being masculine and honourable, setting an example for younger men in the fight their emasculation and against women's rights.

Then all of a sudden, you abandon all of that in support of Trump. All the honour, the nobility in being an alpha who leads by example and works to help others within their pack, you instead focus on Trump's achievements, ignoring his failures, motivations and who he exploited and destroyed in how he got there, abandoning the entire honourable angle you've relied on for years.

You're like a gold digger who doesn't know much about her man, even hates him, but doesn't care because she loves money.

Only I'm not sure what it is you think you're gaining from supporting Trump, or what depths you have to sink to, as the gold digger, to keep getting what you want...

It doesn't make sense...

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Reply #18 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:06am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 9:58am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 8:51am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 8:47am:

Oh look aqua its amazing what you left out of wiki

Reportedly, Trump asked his contractors, among them HRH Construction, to also do the work without making a profit, promising them publicity, but never mentioned their contributions afterwards, except in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wollman_Rink

the lion doesnt acknowledge the rabbit .
why would he?

It was part of the deal. This is why people don't trust Trump or rarely will they work with him twice.

He doesn't honour his deals and is not a man of his word.

That simple fact alone, to me, would rule him out as being "superior".

If he can't achieve his goals without having to break his word then his dishonesty and lack of character means he isn't superior, he's a conman.

Just like any meetings people would take with Trump in his office when he's trying to negotiate money from them. They all come out with the same story. About 10 minutes into the meeting, Trump will get a call, say something like "They don't want to accept the 40Million? Offer them $60million instead" and hang up.

If he were a superior man, he wouldn't need to use such deceitful tactics.

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if the rabbit doesnt get enough attention, then he can take on lion like qualities and enter the brutal world of the superior being.
if he is too timid to do that, then he can get back in his burrow and STFU

Timid? They made a deal with Trump to do the work at COST, so he could win a feud and prove a point with the mayor that he could do it faster and cheaper than the city officials, all because Trump wanted to leverage more tax breaks, city funds and get his name on the Rink and what is no known as the Javits Center on Manhattan's west side.

This was in return for Trump giving them publicity to help with future business. But he didn't. He was too busy with his completely ego driven feud. 100%.

Trump donated around $70k in one campaign to Koch for his mayoral bid. After he was successful, Trump tried to call in the favour. When Trump was rejected, he saw that as Koch being disloyal and Trump's fragile ego got in the way and started the whole feud.

Where have we seen this before? It happens all the time with Trump, the latest being Jeff Sessions.

It boils down to Trump only worrying about himself and his ego, profits and personal vendettas. He burned all those who worked with him, he reneged on promises made and when he couldn't get the Mayor's office to allow any further tax abatements for his attempted future developments, he invested heavily Koch's competitors to secure his loss and removal as mayor.

Again Scoot, you've for months, even years, spoken about the noble man, being masculine and honourable, setting an example for younger men in the fight against women's rights and their emasculation.

Then all of a sudden, you abandon all of that in support of Trump. All the honour, the nobility in being an alpha who leads by example and works to help others within their pack, you instead focus on Trump's achieved, ignoring his failures, motivations and who he exploited and destroyed in how he got there, abandoning the entire honourable angle you've relied on for years.

You're like a gold digger who doesn't know much about her man, even hates him, but doesn't care because she loves money.

Only I'm not sure what it is you think you're gaining from supporting Trump, or what depths you have to sink to, as the gold digger, to keep getting what you want...

It doesn't make sense...

sad, you are using the wrong paradigm to examine "superior" in "business".

transparent, predictable, a plodder, workmanlike ...thats how to get eaten in business
thats how to get eaten in the jungle.

trump brings all the nuanced talents of the strategist to the table.

example of how trump uses his higher cognition.

rachel maddow went nuclear on her silly show about trump not paying his taxes.
trump could have just timidly submitted his returns but he didnt .
he plays a bigger game

he refused to show them.
he got rachel all worked up
she went on and on about it.
finally he releases his returns showing he paid 40 million and a higher relative rate then bernie sanders!!
trump was just toying with her.
he was being mischievious, he was being unpredictable, he was "beginning with the end in mind"
he is made of superior stuff.
thats how he ended up in the white house Wink

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Reply #21 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:17am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:13am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

You do realise just saying 40 million in taxes has no context whatsoever.

trump paid a higher rate of tax on his income then bernie sanders or barak obama
fact Cheesy

Yeah but isn't that just the nature of earning more money. And the higher rate of tax is based on his stated income. As per usual these guys spend money on trying to hide money from the taxman.

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Reply #22 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:37am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:06am:

sad, you are using the wrong paradigm to examine "superior" in "business".

transparent, predictable, a plodder, workmanlike ...thats how to get eaten in business
thats how to get eaten in the jungle.

trump brings all the nuanced talents of the strategist to the table.

example of how trump uses his higher cognition.

rachel maddow went nuclear on her silly show about trump not paying his taxes.
trump could have just timidly submitted his returns but he didnt .
he plays a bigger game

he refused to show them.
he got rachel all worked up
she went on and on about it.
finally he releases his returns showing he paid 40 million and a higher relative rate then bernie sanders!!
trump was just toying with her.
he was being mischievious, he was being unpredictable, he was "beginning with the end in mind"
he is made of superior stuff.
thats how he ended up in the white house Wink

So here we get to the crux of the issue.

Those skills you're applauding Trump for having and being so cutthroat in business, they don't translate to success in the White House.

In fact, being untrustworthy, a liar, a deal breaker and fabricating positive returns rather than earning them, these are all ways in which you fail as a President.

Any sort of treaty he signs or deals he makes cannot be trusted.

Any policy he pushes will never deliver of his promises and because he is so ego driven, his policy direction will always be about him and not the people he as to govern for.

And Trump, because so thin-skinned and ego-driven, unlike many of the Presidents before him, he has so far been unable to forgive those who didn't vote for him and is doing everything he can to punish them, rather than trying to unite the people under him.

He's not even a good businessman, those traits and skills you're applauding in him have lead him through immense failure.

If you take his word for it, he's worth over $9 Billion.

If you take even a generous approach to his holdings, assets and what little we know from the information he does release, he would be in the high 2's at best.

This again is nothing to scoff at. But, if he's simply done nothing with the money he inherited from his father he would be worth far more today.

If you want to applaud Trump as the apex predator and the best of businessmen, he needs to start from nothing, not have made less than if he didn't play with his starting capital.

Imagine if his father never bailed him out, or his siblings never bailed him out after his fathers passing?

He would be nothing more than a used car salesman.

We could only be so lucky.

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Reply #23 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:38am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:13am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:09am:

You do realise just saying 40 million in taxes has no context whatsoever.

trump paid a higher rate of tax on his income then bernie sanders or barak obama
fact Cheesy

If you look at that small period maybe.

If you look over this real estate career, however, even ignoring all the grants and public money he took for his developments, the story is much much different.

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Reply #24 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:47am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:06am:

sad, you are using the wrong paradigm to examine "superior" in "business".

transparent, predictable, a plodder, workmanlike ...thats how to get eaten in business
thats how to get eaten in the jungle.

trump brings all the nuanced talents of the strategist to the table.

example of how trump uses his higher cognition.

rachel maddow went nuclear on her silly show about trump not paying his taxes.
trump could have just timidly submitted his returns but he didnt .
he plays a bigger game

he refused to show them.
he got rachel all worked up
she went on and on about it.
finally he releases his returns showing he paid 40 million and a higher relative rate then bernie sanders!!
trump was just toying with her.
he was being mischievious, he was being unpredictable, he was "beginning with the end in mind"
he is made of superior stuff.
thats how he ended up in the white house Wink

So here we get to the crux of the issue.

Those skills you're applauding Trump for having and being so cutthroat in business, they don't translate to success in the White House.

In fact, being untrustworthy, a liar, a deal breaker and fabricating positive returns rather than earning them, these are all ways in which you fail as a President.

Any sort of treaty he signs or deals he makes cannot be trusted.

Any policy he pushes will never deliver of his promises and because he is so ego driven, his policy direction will always be about him and not the people he as to govern for.

And Trump, because so thin-skinned and ego-driven, unlike many of the Presidents before him, he has so far been unable to forgive those who didn't vote for him and is doing everything he can to punish them, rather than trying to unite the people under him.

He's not even a good businessman, those traits and skills you're applauding in him have lead him through immense failure.

If you take his word for it, he's worth over $9 Billion.

If you take even a generous approach to his holdings, assets and what little we know from the information he does release, he would be in the high 2's at best.

This again is nothing to scoff at. But, if he's simply done nothing with the money he inherited from his father he would be worth far more today.

If you want to applaud Trump as the apex predator and the best of businessmen, he needs to start from nothing, not have made less than if he didn't play with his starting capital.

Imagine if his father never bailed him out, or his siblings never bailed him out after his fathers passing?

He would be nothing more than a used car salesman.

We could only be so lucky.

sad.

the USA is a society which has based its success on markets
there are people who operate in markets called salesmen.
trump is without doubt, an incredibly talented salesman.
he understands sales and branding at his core.
isnt it a good thing that a very very competant salesman is at the helm of the USA Pty Ltd.
i can think of no-one better.

cant you see why a bernie sanders or a hilary only appeal to the oddballs who cant do well in the market
watch these people in this clip.
if that doesnt give you a reason to question "trump hate" i dont know what will

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Reply #25 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:51am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:47am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:37am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:06am:

sad, you are using the wrong paradigm to examine "superior" in "business".

transparent, predictable, a plodder, workmanlike ...thats how to get eaten in business
thats how to get eaten in the jungle.

trump brings all the nuanced talents of the strategist to the table.

example of how trump uses his higher cognition.

rachel maddow went nuclear on her silly show about trump not paying his taxes.
trump could have just timidly submitted his returns but he didnt .
he plays a bigger game

he refused to show them.
he got rachel all worked up
she went on and on about it.
finally he releases his returns showing he paid 40 million and a higher relative rate then bernie sanders!!
trump was just toying with her.
he was being mischievious, he was being unpredictable, he was "beginning with the end in mind"
he is made of superior stuff.
thats how he ended up in the white house Wink

So here we get to the crux of the issue.

Those skills you're applauding Trump for having and being so cutthroat in business, they don't translate to success in the White House.

In fact, being untrustworthy, a liar, a deal breaker and fabricating positive returns rather than earning them, these are all ways in which you fail as a President.

Any sort of treaty he signs or deals he makes cannot be trusted.

Any policy he pushes will never deliver of his promises and because he is so ego driven, his policy direction will always be about him and not the people he as to govern for.

And Trump, because so thin-skinned and ego-driven, unlike many of the Presidents before him, he has so far been unable to forgive those who didn't vote for him and is doing everything he can to punish them, rather than trying to unite the people under him.

He's not even a good businessman, those traits and skills you're applauding in him have lead him through immense failure.

If you take his word for it, he's worth over $9 Billion.

If you take even a generous approach to his holdings, assets and what little we know from the information he does release, he would be in the high 2's at best.

This again is nothing to scoff at. But, if he's simply done nothing with the money he inherited from his father he would be worth far more today.

If you want to applaud Trump as the apex predator and the best of businessmen, he needs to start from nothing, not have made less than if he didn't play with his starting capital.

Imagine if his father never bailed him out, or his siblings never bailed him out after his fathers passing?

He would be nothing more than a used car salesman.

We could only be so lucky.

sad.

the USA is a society which has based its success on markets
there are people who operate in markets called salesmen.
trump is without doubt, an incredibly talented salesman.
he understands sales and branding at his core.
isnt it a good thing that a very very competant salesman is at the helm of the USA Pty Ltd.
i can think of no-one better.

cant you see why a bernie sanders or a hilary only appeal to the oddballs who cant do well in the market
watch these people in this clip.
if that doesnt give you a reason to question "trump hate" i dont know what will

Pfft when are you going to question anything.

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Reply #26 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 11:03am

Yes - I am a Superior Man to Bojack.
He sits in the Medical Industry pushing a pencil in Oncology and just doing the hours. He is probably a R.N - trained via a University somewhere.

I was just an 'AiN' (also known as a shi*wiper).
But I worked out the Dementia ability of them picking up on people's 'feeling' like a Blind person can hear better than a normal person, like a Deaf person is more visually aware than normal and like a colour-blind person can see in the dark 20% better than normal. I was able to make Dementia 'comply' far better than anyone else.
I also found a cost effect 'preventative' for excoriation for Aged Care residents. Instead of the now almost dysfunctional method of 'powder' and the Pharmacy's ripping off Residents with expensive 'Granugen, Manuka and other stuff' - I provided just a $2 roll-on 'Mum' deodorant as a more successful 'preventative'.
I was also able to handle aggressive 'Psyche' patients far more effectively and without 'forcible restrain' better than the Security or Cops.
I also shagged a lot more of my female staff (and female cops and female military and married a female security guard for awhile) than Bojack (who might be Gay?).
As an AiN I also worked 'many' different Departments and Hospitals, as well as Aged Care.
I currently get paid well to look after Mental Health Ex-Cons and get them back into the real world.

As you can see. While Bojack sits in his little 'office'.
He went to Uni and I went like Faraday Wink

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Reply #27 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 11:06am

aquascoot wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:47am:

sad.

the USA is a society which has based its success on markets
there are people who operate in markets called salesmen.
trump is without doubt, an incredibly talented salesman.
he understands sales and branding at his core.
isnt it a good thing that a very very competant salesman is at the helm of the USA Pty Ltd.
i can think of no-one better.[/quote[

The problem with your way of thinking is that Trump is the sort of Salesperson that once the deal is done, he stops caring. That's all that he's interested in. Make the deal, get the photo-op, get the applause, then move onto the next deal.

You need someone capable of following through. Seeing the deals come to fruition. The policies implemented, successfully and the goals reached.

Trump has no interest and more scarily, no ability to do this.

[quote]cant you see why a bernie sanders or a hilary only appeal to the oddballs who cant do well in the market
watch these people in this clip.
if that doesnt give you a reason to question "trump hate" i dont know what will

I don't hate Trump, he's just done nothing to earn any respect.

Anyone as dishonest as him, with such a big starting balance and being bailed out so very many times would be able to the same, if not better than Trump.

His celebrity status and his personality is all him, no doubt, but he was acting like that before his first building was even built. Bossing people around, threating to have his father fire them if they didn't bow to his "negotiations".

That's his other issue, if he doesn't hold all the cards, if he isn't in a position of power, he cannot negotiate for poo. He only knows how to make demands. If he comes up against a real Alpha, he just curls up into a ball and shows his belly. Just like he does to Putin and Russia.

When someone like that is making trade deals with other nations... Scary.

Someone who is actually a smart and savvy operator would be able to secure better and longer lasting relationships with staff, suppliers and contractors. Those relationships help to strengthen partnerships and makes things happen.

Trump doesn't have this, especially not in the White House.

He's gone on for too many decades just making up utter bullshit and people not bothering themselves to correct him or just considered him an excentric spoilt billionaire.

But now, in the Oval Office, he's fact checked and will be held to his word.

He's not figured out how to change to rise to this.

And that's the saddest thing of all, he needs to "rise" to the most basic level of honesty and decency.

He can still be a good negotiator and make great deals in his position, but he personally, he can't do it without lying or breaking someone's trust.

Children look up to their President. There are few Presidents that are a worse fit for this honour than Trump.

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Reply #28 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 11:11am

Jasin wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 11:03am:

Yes - I am a Superior Man to Bojack.
He sits in the Medical Industry pushing a pencil in Oncology and just doing the hours. He is probably a R.N - trained via a University somewhere.

I was just an 'AiN' (also known as a shi*wiper).
But I worked out the Dementia ability of them picking up on people's 'feeling' like a Blind person can hear better than a normal person, like a Deaf person is more visually aware than normal and like a colour-blind person can see in the dark 20% better than normal. I was able to make Dementia 'comply' far better than anyone else.
I also found a cost effect 'preventative' for excoriation for Aged Care residents. Instead of the now almost dysfunctional method of 'powder' and the Pharmacy's ripping off Residents with expensive 'Granugen, Manuka and other stuff' - I provided just a $2 roll-on 'Mum' deodorant as a more successful 'preventative'.
I was also able to handle aggressive 'Psyche' patients far more effectively and without 'forcible restrain' better than the Security or Cops.
I also shagged a lot more of my female staff (and female cops and female military and married a female security guard for awhile) than Bojack (who might be Gay?).
As an AiN I also worked 'many' different Departments and Hospitals, as well as Aged Care.
I currently get paid well to look after Mental Health Ex-Cons and get them back into the real world.

As you can see. While Bojack sits in his little 'office'.
He went to Uni and I went like Faraday Wink

Which xplains why you're still working as a AIN?

And as for this "He sits in the Medical Industry pushing a pencil in Oncology and just doing the hours. He is probably a R.N - trained via a University somewhere." You are so far off the mark, its not funny.

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Reply #29 - Sep 18^th, 2018 at 11:16am

Trump was in a far better position to be a President than Hillary (far more corrupt and proven so) and also than Obama and Bush jr.
Americans had a 'choice'.
Unlike Australia who has really no choice between two losers.
At least Americans had a choice with Trump at least offering something 'new' and exciting. Hillary would have been far less effective than Trump, economically pathetic and diplomatically 'weak' with other nations. She would have just 'processed' the same stuff from the past and just done the MEDIA SHOW to justify her success and collect her pay.
Trump already had 'money' - he didn't need the Presidency to collect a hefty-paycheck like the previous ones. He wanted the challenge of something 'great'.

I guess the Media and 'its' fans just couldn't cope with someone 'outside' of their vision coming in a doing a good job about it, let alone not being something less, to make them look better than they really are.

Trump's term will be remembered for just getting the job done. Averting 'conflict' with other nations and attracting all the obsessed 'hatred' of the Media and its corruption of USA Politics for so long.
Trump is like a Western European standing up for Western Europe ...that has been ruled over by the Southern (Romans) Europeans for so long.

I'm so waiting for a 'Blonde' (Aryan) President to come along - I'ld like to see what the Media has to say about that one? Wink

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