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Johnnie wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 4:15pm:


Ah.....so you are saying that this is a cynical political move, and nothing to do with genuine concern for identifying and fixing a problem, AND prosecuting truly evil bastards?

Johnnie wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 4:29pm:


The problem with that silly position is two fold.

1.  Months ago, Labor put it to Government that there was a crisis in the industry and the Minister poo pooed their concern, almost went so far as to say that even the mere making of the allegation amounted to elder abuse.

2.  The Libs will have been well aware that the ABC was investigating the matter, and had been for months, and that the issue was going to 'air' tonight on Four Corners ~ hence the 'out of left field' week-end announcement of the RC by Morrison.

What ever you do, when you get old, don't have a curry responsible for your care.

It is alleged Hornsby man Prakash Paudyal pulled at the 82-year-old man's shirt, and used a shoe to hit him repeatedly at Bupa Aged Care Seaforth.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-06/aged-care-worker-allegedly-assaults-elderl...

I'm not going to get old......ever

I'm studiously searching for a vampire,

Does anyone know one?

Promise I'll only feed on politicians and muzzos.

tickleandrose wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 5:31pm:


Yes.  Most in Aged Care have nothing more than the pension.  The Facility will take most if not all of that, leaving the individual almost penniless and entirely at the mercy of the Facility which will skimp at every opportunity to maximise its profit at the cost to the individual.

Disgraceful.  Labor was right.....this is a crisis, and money needs to be pumped in.....BUT......there has to be very close scrutiny on every Facility.

Me....I'd have a very well paid Government person embedded in every FACILITY charged with the responsibility of ensuring there is no abuse of individuals, that they are well fed and properly cared for in every respect, and no rip-off by the Facility.

Gordon wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 4:55pm:



can we stick to the serious situations many of our aged  are in gordon... maybe you are lucky and never had to put a loved one into the 24 hour care of strangers......maybe you will also be lucky enough to never have to go into one yourself...

but I would say an awful lot of folks will end up there...including myself...errrrrrrrrrk  although my daughter says it will never happen  and my granddaughter who worked a few years in aged care   said in a very loud voice   you are never going in one of those place.......maybe they will bury mi in the backyard...

as it is to see how they are treated is 3rd world..

what on earth is the point of science doing its level best to make us all live longer..... if you end up being a burden like that... bloody disgusting  and the people that serve it up should stand up and refuse to do it I bet they wouldnt eat it themselves...   

gawd you wouldnt feed a dog food like that...

can you imagine prisoners putting up with food like that???

it wouldnt happen    

where is our conscience?...

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Indeed we would but Government stands in the way of that. 

A 'friend' of mine was in strife with boob cancer and depression.  Her daughter had to abandon a job worth $1500.00 a week to her had to move in with the friend to assist her.  Applied for the home care assistance allowance and was told to come back in six months.

So......she did arrive to help but it cost her Mum squillions to make up for the daughter's loss in income.

Nah....the whole set up is crap.  Crisis indeed.  Should have been a RC ages ago.

I'm pushing my own barrow there, as usual, Aussie... as a full time carer I know the amount paid nowhere near meets the costs... and that's direct costs to do all the things needed with no other help.

The ex I care for can't even drive herself to doctors and such... maybe I should charge by the hour.... so far this week only two doctor appointments... then there's the other bits of running around to provide 'quality of life'.... the shopping, the chauffeur service to art class (at least at the moment I can go whale watching up on the headland), and so forth...

She also keeps forgetting to apply for MyAgedCare - I can't do that for her - it's between her and her doctor... but it would help defray the costs, such as the man who comes in to do the lawn edges and stuff...

(I'm not that well myself - that mysterious chest pain goes on and on - now I can't even walk 25m without pain... only a month to see a haemotologist.. might get an answer from precise blood tests that show what might be an infection ... whiskey, bartender.. at least it kills the pain for a while.... waiting to see if they find it's damaged tissue from burning oil.....)

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 6:08pm:


That accurately describes the services I currently provide for the Lady I am referring to ~ and yes...TIB is well aware of it, and supports me doing so.  I do it all....gratis.  If I didn't, her daughter (who lives in another State) would have to abandon her life to do what I am doing.

The system is farqed and takes advantage of your willingness.....and mine.

Aussie wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 6:16pm:



Too true.  The 'system' is controlled by takers and operated without sustenance by givers.

As Sitting Bull said - You judge your people by what they have - we judge them by what they give.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 7:27pm:

I like Sitting Bulls philosophy on that one.

Aussie wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 4:05pm:



About 9 years ago I was trying to find an aged care facility for one of my Aunties.
The food looked awful & the places were charging over $1,000 per week.
What a rip off.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:


There's nothing nutritious about any of that food, pies, frankfurt, pizza, tomato sauce, thick gravy - they've got to be joking

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 8:01pm:


I'll agree it doesn't look that way.

The older you get the less you need to eat.

Mary Black wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:


Maybe - I was talking about QUALITY in the food..

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 5:50pm:


The Govt doesn't pay we do .... & we pay & we pay....

and this sort of rubbish still occurs.

Heads need to roll.

Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:


My mother has been in what was a brand new facility(she was first intake) for 2 years .... her only & consistent complaint is about the food.

And when she gets vegemite on toast for the evening meal ... I have to wholeheartedly agree.

So far all her complaints & my sisters to management have fallen on deaf ears.

Johnnie wrote on Sep 17^th, 2018 at 4:50pm:


Why? As Treasurer he cut $1.2 billion out of Aged Care ... now if he gives some of that back he's a hero? 

btw the crisis hasnt just happened   on LIBS watch...

what exactly did shortarse do when he was ass Treasurer?????

apart from leaving a MASSIVE DEBT IN HIS WAKE>

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 6:14am:


It would be the same problem for labor as well.  There are alot of priorites out there: infrastructure, health care, education, the list goes on and on.   And with an ageing population, with less ratio of tax payers vs aged person.  The problem is only going to get worse and worse, since we are also going into a phase where we are anti migration.

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:32am:


Ah.....ass.

Yeas, given how well and accurately you always present your posts I ought to have seen that.  My bad.

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S.I.N.G.  Silence is not Golden.  Whistleblower site.  Whistleblower support group

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Care nurses losing their jobs for trying to support the elderly in their care

Care nurses being blackballed (by Qld Health for one) for exposing disgusting treatment of elderly and impaired, including the excoriation of a 40-something physically disabled man, mentally fine, whose mother had put $400,000 in trust for him.  $300,000 grabbed by the home-manager, reportedly.  Her son murdered, money gone, the elderly mother was not even informed of  his suspicious death for more than a week


Old women being bashed and left naked under cold showers and left there all night for daring to speak even mildly.  Any nurse who attempted to help those women was driven out of a job, defamed, blackballed, bashed


Elderly in care homes too afraid to reveal their suffering to relatives or 'you'll get worse when your family has gone'


Holy roller Morrison 'just decided' something needed to be done?  When did the lightbulb in his head go on?  How did he manage to holy-roll all those years when he knew what was going on, all the suffering and pain

Valkie's right.  Revolution.  Pray for a deadly virus to strike every parliament in the country.  Then hose OUR houses of parliament out with military-grade Dettol

as for care-home owners and managers

feed them to Nth Korea's dogs

I've been posting about S.I.N.G. in here (and elsewhere) for years

S.I.N.G.  Silence is NOT Golden. Whistleblower site/group

LINK


Whistleblowers have been striving for many years to draw politicians' and the public's attention to the situation for far more years

Countless whistleblowers have been sacked, blackballed, threatened, defamed, ruined --- for trying to get some light thrown on what is a demonic situation


The stories on that site would destroy the peace of mind of a billionaire, ruin his enjoyment of his city-block sized yacht


thank God people are finally learning the truth about aged care and care homes


Naturally there will be promises and 'outrage' before things settle back down to the usual ghastliness


but any improvement, any investigation and ousting of what are literal demons, is better than nothing


Meanwhile, give people the option of voluntary euthanasia


Sure, voluntary euthanasia will eat into shareholders (who ARE they by the way) profits


but surely all the foreign intake will fill the positions of those jammed into UNcare homes who would prefer to exit rather than suffer living-hell at the end of their lives?


(this site double-spaces posts for some reason, so i won't apolgise for what is beyond my control)

As far as I am aware, to get a place in an Age Care Facility, they have to pay a huge sum, and if they own their own home, they need to pay a lot more ... then their Age Pension sort of covers the food, etc.

There is absolutely NO WAY I would want anybody I love in one of those places!

Way back, I did some Charity Work and a group of us visited an Old Aged Peoples Home in Sydney.  Just to talk to them and make them morning tea, etc. 

I was absolutely stunned ... most of those had been "dumped" there because they were "old" and their kids never visited! They didn't complain about anything, just that their children never came to see them.

I lasted about 2 visits ... it was far too emotional for me.

PZ547 wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 2:04pm:


You know the thing about being immersed in water - even if your body temperature is 98.6 F and the water is 85 F - slowly your core temperature will drop and you will die... even sailors adrift in the tropics die from exposure/hypothermia eventually...  US  navy found that out in WW II.

cods wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 10:32am:



And what happened with that Cods?

Regardless of Shortens involvement the LNP allowed the PayDay lenders to win the day.

red baron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:


That's right ... but because of this sort of thing I have no faith in making arrangements for entry into one for myself or my wife .....

even though our greatest wish is not to be a burden on our children in our dotage .... if we make it that long.

Gnads wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 7:50pm:


I have all sorts of plans.....but the ultimate Plan Z is one of the kids.  Karma.  I had to wipe theirs after all.

Aussie wrote on Sep 20^th, 2018 at 6:31pm:


So I sch'pose it'sch a queshtion of which is 'e chicken and which ish 'e egg, innit? 

Was they old curmudgeons BEFORE or after they was subjected to neglect, ill-treatment and outright abuse?

I'd be surly, un-co-operative, and so forth if I were subjected to regularised ill-treatment and even abuse....

Eiver way - i'sh no' asheptable!

It was black and white enough to me. Those bitches they call carers are criminal and need to be jailed, along with the managers

red baron wrote on Sep 18^th, 2018 at 5:45pm:


You got that right...... has been for years now...

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2018 at 1:17am:


Totally agree.. many here will label us Utopians or something just to disparage our views and try to make us look silly.

Cameras should be automatic in nursing homes so as to ensure the full story is always available, the same as they were installed in NSW police stations - not to protect police from false accusation of violence etc... but to protect the public those police are supposed to serve when in the hands of those same police.

If I had someone in a nursing home, and that person was covered in bruises... there would be hell to pay...  I'm lucky I don't, and I never intend to be in one myself.

Old people look on those, more often than enough, as a prison camp and a death sentence with no dignity or real quality of the life they would like and are accustomed to.  Just the simple daily cup of tea with someone to talk to and a little company for a while....

The situation for old people on their own is tragic, and really needs to be addressed.

I'm a mere lad of 69 and have a long way to go yet - but you won't see me in one of those gulags.  I'll tie myself to the wheel of my boat and you'll find me on the high seas.... going somewhere towards that horizon in a tall ship...

I was in a DVA hospital once and one of the other people there was an old Vet - they told him it was the nursing home for him and he broke down and cried... he'd been a Warrant Officer and was once strong and powerful... now he knew he was to become nothing in the hands of people who had no idea and didn't give a damn.

The feelingfor those like that is just like a Jew sent to the Konzentrationslager..... and how could anyone do it??

Then there are countless old ladies out there, on their own, and with nobody, and slowly sliding into old age and perhaps dementia.

Good people mostly.. and nobody cares, often least of all their family, who are always happy to cash up the assets once they are gone.

Then the vultures begin to gather.... the AVEOs and such imported from the kind where life is of little importance but cash is king .... damn them all and damn their eyes!  They should be hung in a public square..... the old way..... slowly....

One day it will happen.... ye've my word on it.