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Reply #15 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:50pm
 
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So - to save on subsidies to enrich foreign investors - would we not be better off having a paid in-home family carer?


Indeed we would but Government stands in the way of that. 

A 'friend' of mine was in strife with boob cancer and depression.  Her daughter had to abandon a job worth $1500.00 a week to her had to move in with the friend to assist her.  Applied for the home care assistance allowance and was told to come back in six months.

So......she did arrive to help but it cost her Mum squillions to make up for the daughter's loss in income.

Nah....the whole set up is crap.  Crisis indeed.  Should have been a RC ages ago.
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Reply #16 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:03pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:50pm:
It's a bugger of a situation, keeping an old person accomodated, fed, activated and with access to medical treatment costs more than the pension. Reverse mortgages are resisted by family's so it is down to government to pay the gap.

How much to pay? What would be the cost per day at a standard we would tolerate?  And who pays that?



check out a local hotel room for the night   without any aids...

my daughters father in law was a heart transplant recipient  almost 20 years ago...he was of course on meds for the rest of his   in the last  5 years of his life he started deteriorating he was also a bit of a cranky bugger so he went into aged care when he needed 24/7 care...he was skin and bone nothing like the man he once was  anyway he finally ended up in palliative care..where he was allowed to stay for 7 days... if he didnt die he went back to the hospital... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes this is what they are told.... Roll Eyes

he was there 5 days and showed no sign of leaving us...it was awful to see him really not good for my grandsons thats for sure   anyway he finally said he wouldnt take any more medication...and so  they  stopped the med routine... this was what was keeping him alive...even though the heart was rejecting  the meds wouldnt let him go.....he died before the 7 days were up....very sad but very much a blessing for him.....how do we know how many are taking pills and supplements that are the main reason for their systems to keep going?????... we didnt have all this medication years ago...is it any wonder we are living longer?

are we sure its LIVING! Angry
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Reply #17 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
I'm pushing my own barrow there, as usual, Aussie... as a full time carer I know the amount paid nowhere near meets the costs... and that's direct costs to do all the things needed with no other help.

The ex I care for can't even drive herself to doctors and such... maybe I should charge by the hour.... so far this week only two doctor appointments... then there's the other bits of running around to provide 'quality of life'.... the shopping, the chauffeur service to art class (at least at the moment I can go whale watching up on the headland), and so forth...

She also keeps forgetting to apply for MyAgedCare - I can't do that for her - it's between her and her doctor... but it would help defray the costs, such as the man who comes in to do the lawn edges and stuff...

(I'm not that well myself - that mysterious chest pain goes on and on - now I can't even walk 25m without pain... only a month to see a haemotologist.. might get an answer from precise blood tests that show what might be an infection ... whiskey, bartender.. at least it kills the pain for a while.... waiting to see if they find it's damaged tissue from burning oil.....)
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Reply #18 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:10pm
 
It might require a bit of lateral thinking with super, most people, or a lot of people anyway, die with a hefty amount still left. 

Generations now are growing up with super from day one, there may be options to investigate sequestering a portion of that for actual aged care, not caravans and swimming pools.
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Reply #19 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:16pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
I'm pushing my own barrow there, as usual, Aussie... as a full time carer I know the amount paid nowhere near meets the costs... and that's direct costs to do all the things needed with no other help.

The ex I care for can't even drive herself to doctors and such... maybe I should charge by the hour.... so far this week only two doctor appointments... then there's the other bits of running around to provide 'quality of life'.... the shopping, the chauffeur service to art class (at least at the moment I can go whale watching up on the headland), and so forth...

She also keeps forgetting to apply for MyAgedCare - I can't do that for her - it's between her and her doctor... but it would help defray the costs, such as the man who comes in to do the lawn edges and stuff...


That accurately describes the services I currently provide for the Lady I am referring to ~ and yes...TIB is well aware of it, and supports me doing so.  I do it all....gratis.  If I didn't, her daughter (who lives in another State) would have to abandon her life to do what I am doing.

The system is farqed and takes advantage of your willingness.....and mine.
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Reply #20 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:19pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 5:31pm:
The bottom line is that there is not enough money.  If everyone is to be treated with standards that we hope for, then, we may well bankrupt the country.   Its every man and woman for themselves!

There would be enough money if we didn't splash so much money around in foreign aid, charity starts at home, scomo is on the case so all is well.
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Reply #21 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:27pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
I'm pushing my own barrow there, as usual, Aussie... as a full time carer I know the amount paid nowhere near meets the costs... and that's direct costs to do all the things needed with no other help.

The ex I care for can't even drive herself to doctors and such... maybe I should charge by the hour.... so far this week only two doctor appointments... then there's the other bits of running around to provide 'quality of life'.... the shopping, the chauffeur service to art class (at least at the moment I can go whale watching up on the headland), and so forth...

She also keeps forgetting to apply for MyAgedCare - I can't do that for her - it's between her and her doctor... but it would help defray the costs, such as the man who comes in to do the lawn edges and stuff...


That accurately describes the services I currently provide for the Lady I am referring to ~ and yes...TIB is well aware of it, and supports me doing so.  I do it all....gratis.  If I didn't, her daughter (who lives in another State) would have to abandon her life to do what I am doing.

The system is farqed and takes advantage of your willingness.....and mine.



Too true.  The 'system' is controlled by takers and operated without sustenance by givers.

As Sitting Bull said - You judge your people by what they have - we judge them by what they give.
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Reply #22 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:30pm
 
I've talked quickly to my son who has worked in aged care, I'll ask my wife too about the meals pictured. There are different requirements for different people, they may look appalling to us but there may be reasons for them. To me that food looks like shyte but I would like to see the reasons behind it. Just look at the shyte you get in hospital as a normal person with all the "dietary health" crap. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this. Remember we are talking about food for people with many health issues beyond age.
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Reply #23 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:27pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:08pm:
I'm pushing my own barrow there, as usual, Aussie... as a full time carer I know the amount paid nowhere near meets the costs... and that's direct costs to do all the things needed with no other help.

The ex I care for can't even drive herself to doctors and such... maybe I should charge by the hour.... so far this week only two doctor appointments... then there's the other bits of running around to provide 'quality of life'.... the shopping, the chauffeur service to art class (at least at the moment I can go whale watching up on the headland), and so forth...

She also keeps forgetting to apply for MyAgedCare - I can't do that for her - it's between her and her doctor... but it would help defray the costs, such as the man who comes in to do the lawn edges and stuff...


That accurately describes the services I currently provide for the Lady I am referring to ~ and yes...TIB is well aware of it, and supports me doing so.  I do it all....gratis.  If I didn't, her daughter (who lives in another State) would have to abandon her life to do what I am doing.

The system is farqed and takes advantage of your willingness.....and mine.



Too true.  The 'system' is controlled by takers and operated without sustenance by givers.

As Sitting Bull said - You judge your people by what they have - we judge them by what they give.

I like Sitting Bulls philosophy on that one.
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Reply #24 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:31pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
It might require a bit of lateral thinking with super, most people, or a lot of people anyway, die with a hefty amount still left. 

Generations now are growing up with super from day one, there may be options to investigate sequestering a portion of that for actual aged care, not caravans and swimming pools.


A point - super funds gathered are properly a part of an inheritance to be passed down - same as savings of any kind and assets - sometimes the cost of living means that perhaps super could be used to fund necessary care.

It's a hard call - and open to ideological argument from all sides... particularly those who imagine that anyone in retirement should wind down all accumulated assets to exist....

Not on.... just not on.  Assets accumulated over a lifetime of effort are not meant to be wound down to provide sustenance - but rather to provide the luxury earned.

Before you jump up and down - EVERY one of those twerps who mumbles about assets having to be wound down in retirement does not apply that 'reasoning' to self or to their own.... and there endeth the lesson.

Lead from the front or don't board the aircraft...
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Reply #25 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:41pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 4:05pm:
There can be no doubt that the ABC has pushed Morrison into announcing the Royal Commission.  That is going to reveal very repugnant repulsive deplorable stuff I am sure.  Just reading the ABC www site is just awful including pictures of what some scumbag inside a facility would call a meal.

4 Corners tonight kicks it off and I doubt I'll be able to bring myself to watch it.



About 9 years ago I was trying to find an aged care facility for one of my Aunties.
The food looked awful & the places were charging over $1,000 per week.
What a rip off.

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Reply #26 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:45pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
It might require a bit of lateral thinking with super, most people, or a lot of people anyway, die with a hefty amount still left. 

Generations now are growing up with super from day one, there may be options to investigate sequestering a portion of that for actual aged care, not caravans and swimming pools.


A point - super funds gathered are properly a part of an inheritance to be passed down - same as savings of any kind and assets - sometimes the cost of living means that perhaps super could be used to fund necessary care.

It's a hard call - and open to ideological argument from all sides... particularly those who imagine that anyone in retirement should wind down all accumulated assets to exist....

Not on.... just not on.  Assets accumulated over a lifetime of effort are not meant to be wound down to provide sustenance - but rather to provide the luxury earned.

Before you jump up and down - EVERY one of those twerps who mumbles about assets having to be wound down in retirement does not apply that 'reasoning' to self or to their own.... and there endeth the lesson.

Lead from the front or don't board the aircraft...


Whilst I generally agree, I was looking at other funding sources.  By sequestered I was thinking a percentage  that cannot be passed on as an inheritance, therefore would go toward aged care, bit like a Medicare contribution.
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Reply #27 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:01pm
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
I've talked quickly to my son who has worked in aged care, I'll ask my wife too about the meals pictured. There are different requirements for different people, they may look appalling to us but there may be reasons for them. To me that food looks like shyte but I would like to see the reasons behind it. Just look at the shyte you get in hospital as a normal person with all the "dietary health" crap. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this. Remember we are talking about food for people with many health issues beyond age.


There's nothing nutritious about any of that food, pies, frankfurt, pizza, tomato sauce, thick gravy - they've got to be joking

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880
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Reply #28 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:09pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:45pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:31pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:10pm:
It might require a bit of lateral thinking with super, most people, or a lot of people anyway, die with a hefty amount still left. 

Generations now are growing up with super from day one, there may be options to investigate sequestering a portion of that for actual aged care, not caravans and swimming pools.


A point - super funds gathered are properly a part of an inheritance to be passed down - same as savings of any kind and assets - sometimes the cost of living means that perhaps super could be used to fund necessary care.

It's a hard call - and open to ideological argument from all sides... particularly those who imagine that anyone in retirement should wind down all accumulated assets to exist....

Not on.... just not on.  Assets accumulated over a lifetime of effort are not meant to be wound down to provide sustenance - but rather to provide the luxury earned.

Before you jump up and down - EVERY one of those twerps who mumbles about assets having to be wound down in retirement does not apply that 'reasoning' to self or to their own.... and there endeth the lesson.

Lead from the front or don't board the aircraft...


Whilst I generally agree, I was looking at other funding sources.  By sequestered I was thinking a percentage  that cannot be passed on as an inheritance, therefore would go toward aged care, bit like a Medicare contribution.


It's a complex situation - when are savings not savings held in one's own right?   Just a question...

As I said - maybe sometimes assets need to be liquidated to ensure quality care ... I said.. I said.... Quality care, boy... ain't you got no hearing?

With no prejudice and all due respect for our Asian parasite brethren (snuckles) - why should anyone be forced to liquidate all assets to generate profit for some vulture?

That's what is wrong with 'privatisation' of all kinds..... every day, in every way, Joe and Jo Bloggs have to expend their future to feed corporate vultures - many of whom are like that Sydney Water thing that went on.... build a 'service' and the demand payment for all your execs etc forever...

There has to be a better answer.. trouble is that any 'socialised' solution ends up being nearly as wishy-washy as any 'private' enterprise....

Too many chiefs - not enough Indians... bear with the start - wait for the chorus ....


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Reply #29 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:46pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:01pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:30pm:
I've talked quickly to my son who has worked in aged care, I'll ask my wife too about the meals pictured. There are different requirements for different people, they may look appalling to us but there may be reasons for them. To me that food looks like shyte but I would like to see the reasons behind it. Just look at the shyte you get in hospital as a normal person with all the "dietary health" crap. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this. Remember we are talking about food for people with many health issues beyond age.


There's nothing nutritious about any of that food, pies, frankfurt, pizza, tomato sauce, thick gravy - they've got be joking

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880


I'll agree it doesn't look that way.
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