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Reply #60 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 4:31pm
 
Good for you Super Nova - well done



Just checking Tim's formula again, it's seems you have unwittingly complied with it

Happiness=H

t=times
p=personality
l=location
s=society

Then
H=f(t,p,l,s)
f(     ) is similar a function, it change with those four independent  elements.

When H=f(t,p,l,s) go to its maximum ?
We have no answer yet.
But if Timmy is unhappy, he will change his ‘ t,p,l,s ‘ so adjust his happiness.


My simple formula of H-uH was written in haste and it's not quite right so corrected it should be:

H=(L- uH)

Where

H = Happy

L = Life

uH = all things that make you unhappy

Pretty simple, and Tim's formula expands on it but his points of "t" times, and "s" society are contentious because there's no set time to embark on the road to happiness, and "society" is not really needed to be happy, not in the sense that we generally think about society, but again I suppose, it's a personal thing. One's own philosophical beliefs could deal with it on a personal level 
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Reply #61 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 11:31am
 
Thanks for all reply, learning Smiley
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Reply #62 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 2:10pm
 
I found a happiness formula by  researchers, like Dr. Martin Seligman and Dr. Sonja Lyubomirsky. (whoever they are)

Their formula is H = S + C + V where
H: Happiness
S: Our biological set point
C: Conditions of living
V: Voluntary actions or choices we make daily
Based on their research they arrived at the following breakdown:
S – 50% Our biological set point
C – 10% Conditions of living
V – 40% Voluntary actions or choices we make daily


S = Which indicates our biological set point is 50% of the index depends on our make up. So some must have a predisposition to being bloody unhappy buggers. That is consistent with my experience. Some people are just never happy.

C = that's life stuff that is out of our control. I am not surprized this is only 10% because, unless we are captured by ISIS or in a gimp box (some may be happy with that BTW) people's life circumstances doesn't  mean they are unhappy. I have seen poor peole around the world laugh and smile and i remember thinking "how can they be happy".

V = the choices we make. So if 60% is not in our control, this is were we can have the biggest impact on our happiness. Making good choices, feeling good about them, getting off are arse and doing something, taking action...... is the key to happiness. Positive thinking and not doing the "poor me".

https://www.brevedy.com/2013/12/18/the-happiness-formula-h-s-c-v/
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Reply #63 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:26pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 24th, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Good for you Super Nova - well done



Just checking Tim's formula again, it's seems you have unwittingly complied with it

Happiness=H

t=times
p=personality
l=location
s=society

Then
H=f(t,p,l,s)
f(     ) is similar a function, it change with those four independent  elements.

When H=f(t,p,l,s) go to its maximum ?
We have no answer yet.
But if Timmy is unhappy, he will change his ‘ t,p,l,s ‘ so adjust his happiness.


My simple formula of H-uH was written in haste and it's not quite right so corrected it should be:

H=(L- uH)

Where

H = Happy

L = Life

uH = all things that make you unhappy

Pretty simple, and Tim's formula expands on it but his points of "t" times, and "s" society are contentious because there's no set time to embark on the road to happiness, and "society" is not really needed to be happy, not in the sense that we generally think about society, but again I suppose, it's a personal thing. One's own philosophical beliefs could deal with it on a personal level 



Thanks,
Yes, happiness is relevant to personality.

Perhaps Timmy did not explane clear.
Happiness H=H(p,s,l,t)
p,s,l,t are 4 elements which effect our hapiness.
How do they effect? We do not know.
So we use H(     ) to show the happiness are changed with 4 elemets  p,s,l,t  change.
Personality, society, location are easy to accept. They are effect our happiness individualy.
why t=time effect our happiness?
because we realize if time frozen, nothings change, do we happy? Sad
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Reply #64 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 6:34pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 2:10pm:
I found a happiness formula by  researchers, like Dr. Martin Seligman and Dr. Sonja Lyubomirsky. (whoever they are)

Their formula is H = S + C + V where
H: Happiness
S: Our biological set point
C: Conditions of living
V: Voluntary actions or choices we make daily
Based on their research they arrived at the following breakdown:
S – 50% Our biological set point
C – 10% Conditions of living
V – 40% Voluntary actions or choices we make daily


S = Which indicates our biological set point is 50% of the index depends on our make up. So some must have a predisposition to being bloody unhappy buggers. That is consistent with my experience. Some people are just never happy.

C = that's life stuff that is out of our control. I am not surprized this is only 10% because, unless we are captured by ISIS or in a gimp box (some may be happy with that BTW) people's life circumstances doesn't  mean they are unhappy. I have seen poor peole around the world laugh and smile and i remember thinking "how can they be happy".

V = the choices we make. So if 60% is not in our control, this is were we can have the biggest impact on our happiness. Making good choices, feeling good about them, getting off are arse and doing something, taking action...... is the key to happiness. Positive thinking and not doing the "poor me".




Thanks,

H = S + C + V
S: Our biological set point
C: Conditions of living
V: Voluntary actions or choices we make daily
I like it. Smiley


Our biological set point is relevant to personality.
Conditions of living is relevant to personality and society.
Voluntary actions or choices we make daily are relevant to personality as well.

That means H is relevant to personality and society. Smiley
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Reply #65 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:45pm
 
So Tim, you are defining a direct correlation between the two formulae.

If H=f(t,p,l,s) is the function with these paramters what would your call be on the function itself.

Is it, for example H=t+p+l+s or something more complex?


if so we could say H = t+p+l+s = S + C + V  and then we could derive the relationship between the 2 views.

For example.


C = l+t+s/2 (the times and location)
S = p/2 + s/2
V = (p/2)*4

Or more exact ratios.

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Reply #66 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:58pm
 
More research ... covers quite a few relevant points


What Psychological
Science Knows About
Achieving Happiness


Entrenched in both ancient and modern cultural tradition, the pursuit
of  happiness  is  a  popular  preoccupation  around  the  world  (Diener, 
2000). Despite the centrality of this goal, the path to happiness is anything
but obvious, in part because people are notoriously inaccurate at knowing
what will make them lastingly happy (Wilson & Gilbert, 2005). This lapse
in  self-knowledge  can  lead  to  poor  choices,  both  in  the  short-term  and  in 
the long-term. After years spent saving for a larger house, trying to achieve
a  promotion,  or  finally  being  able  to  retire  and  move  to  the  beach,  individuals 
may  be  frustrated  and  baffled  to  discover  that  lasting  happiness 
still  manages  to  elude  them.  To  demystify  the  determinants  of  happiness,  people 
seek  insight  and  advice  from  a  vast  range  of  sources,  which—
unfortunately—vary tremendously in credibility   .......


http://www.sonjalyubomirsky.com/files/2012/09/Nelson-Kurtz-Lyubomirsky-in-press1...
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Reply #67 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 9:39pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
More research ... covers quite a few relevant points


What Psychological
Science Knows About
Achieving Happiness


Entrenched in both ancient and modern cultural tradition, the pursuit
of  happiness  is  a  popular  preoccupation  around  the  world  (Diener, 
2000). Despite the centrality of this goal, the path to happiness is anything
but obvious, in part because people are notoriously inaccurate at knowing
what will make them lastingly happy (Wilson & Gilbert, 2005). This lapse
in  self-knowledge  can  lead  to  poor  choices,  both  in  the  short-term  and  in 
the long-term. After years spent saving for a larger house, trying to achieve
a  promotion,  or  finally  being  able  to  retire  and  move  to  the  beach,  individuals 
may  be  frustrated  and  baffled  to  discover  that  lasting  happiness 
still  manages  to  elude  them.  To  demystify  the  determinants  of  happiness,  people 
seek  insight  and  advice  from  a  vast  range  of  sources,  which—
unfortunately—vary tremendously in credibility   .......


http://www.sonjalyubomirsky.com/files/2012/09/Nelson-Kurtz-Lyubomirsky-in-press1...


Thanks Bias. That is a big read, I will come back to it but i liked the conclusion.

In a relatively short time, psychological science has made great strides in understanding how people can achieve happiness. Using some of the most effective methodologies available, researchers have found that happiness can be attained via simple, cost-effective, nonstigmatizing, self-directed activities, such as writing gratitude letters or keeping an optimism diary. Although research on happiness has come a long way in the last 2 decades, much more work remains. Future studies should continue to investigate how and why particular positive activities work to increase happiness and should continue to implement randomized controlled trials to understand the causal role of potential mechanisms or factors. Unfortunately, limited self-knowledge and unwise decision making (e.g., Wilson & Gilbert, 2005), combined with the well-meaning but often misguided claims from the self-help industry, can make the goal of lasting happiness seem frustratingly unattainable. Even for those positive strategies that seem intuitive, such as expressing gratitude, when and how to best enact such strategies is far from obvious. Our research has generated compelling evidence that when implemented correctly, happiness–increasing activities are quite effective at promoting positive and lasting changes. Science shows that happiness is indeed within each person’s reach
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Reply #68 - Sep 26th, 2018 at 11:58pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
So Tim, you are defining a direct correlation between the two formulae.

If H=f(t,p,l,s) is the function with these paramters what would your call be on the function itself.

Is it, for example H=t+p+l+s or something more complex?


if so we could say H = t+p+l+s = S + C + V  and then we could derive the relationship between the 2 views.

For example.


C = l+t+s/2 (the times and location)
S = p/2 + s/2
V = (p/2)*4

Or more exact ratios.



Good question,
H(p,s,l,t) is a relation or function that H value is change with elements(variable) of p, s, t, l.
When  p, s, t, l. change, they cause H is changed.
We don't know how the change regulation is yet.
But we understand the change is happen.

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Reply #69 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 12:12am
 
Some of functions are clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
As y=f(x)=2x.

Some of Some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
We just know there is a relationship between elements(variable)and function value. Because when elements(variable)change, the function is changed.

Happiness=H(p,s,t,l) is some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
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Reply #70 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 1:16am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 26th, 2018 at 8:58pm:
More research ... covers quite a few relevant points


What Psychological
Science Knows About
Achieving Happiness


Entrenched in both ancient and modern cultural tradition, the pursuit
of  happiness  is  a  popular  preoccupation  around  the  world  (Diener, 
2000). Despite the centrality of this goal, the path to happiness is anything
but obvious, in part because people are notoriously inaccurate at knowing
what will make them lastingly happy (Wilson & Gilbert, 2005). This lapse
in  self-knowledge  can  lead  to  poor  choices,  both  in  the  short-term  and  in 
the long-term. After years spent saving for a larger house, trying to achieve
a  promotion,  or  finally  being  able  to  retire  and  move  to  the  beach,  individuals 
may  be  frustrated  and  baffled  to  discover  that  lasting  happiness 
still  manages  to  elude  them.  To  demystify  the  determinants  of  happiness,  people 
seek  insight  and  advice  from  a  vast  range  of  sources,  which—
unfortunately—vary tremendously in credibility   .......




That is truth, if we try confirming what exactly cause our happiness. We may find no answer. Sad

So we switch to understand what cause happiness changed?
There is no exactly formulation of happiness for human.
But we can try to point some things which change can be caused change of happiness. Smiley
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Reply #71 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 2:22am
 
Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 12:12am:
Some of functions are clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
As y=f(x)=2x.

Some of Some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
We just know there is a relationship between elements(variable)and function value. Because when elements(variable)change, the function is changed.

Happiness=H(p,s,t,l) is some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.


I get it. You are expressing the variables of the function but cannot forumlate the equation of the function. You are only showing, there could be an underlying equation of the relationships but this is not known, and in this case may be unknowable to us mere humans.
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Reply #72 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 10:49am
 
Super Nova wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 2:22am:
Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 12:12am:
Some of functions are clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
As y=f(x)=2x.

Some of Some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
We just know there is a relationship between elements(variable)and function value. Because when elements(variable)change, the function is changed.

Happiness=H(p,s,t,l) is some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.


I get it. You are expressing the variables of the function but cannot forumlate the equation of the function. You are only showing, there could be an underlying equation of the relationships but this is not known, and in this case may be unknowable to us mere humans.



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Reply #73 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 9:30pm
 
Super Nova wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 2:22am:
Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 27th, 2018 at 12:12am:
Some of functions are clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
As y=f(x)=2x.

Some of Some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.
We just know there is a relationship between elements(variable)and function value. Because when elements(variable)change, the function is changed.

Happiness=H(p,s,t,l) is some of functions can not clearly to show the regulation of elements(variable)and function value.


I get it. You are expressing the variables of the function but cannot forumlate the equation of the function. You are only showing, there could be an underlying equation of the relationships but this is not known, and in this case may be unknowable to us mere humans.



Yes but don't let it put you off Suprer Nova

The variables can be treated as "sub" variables within your happiness

You could devise a formula for your overall or a broad contentment in life, and treat variables as speed bumps after that

Overall contentment and happiness warrants acquiring the more static or permanent things first, then any annoying involuntary variables can be dealt with as completely subordinate to your main contentment in life

It takes a commitment to find that main overall contentment first though, but once you've got it, you've got it, then hang on to it.
 

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Reply #74 - Sep 27th, 2018 at 10:32pm
 
Thanks Bias_2012 Smiley

Variables can be treated as "sub" variables Smiley

Yes, variables and sub variables are complex,
So we need to point out those elements which work for happiness independently.
Nowadays we realize those elements (variables) are personality, society, time, location.

"Sub" variables means they are not effect happiness independently. They depend on personality, society, time, location.
"Sub" variables can be produced by personality, society, time, location.
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