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Reply #135 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 10:30am
 
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Reply #136 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 11:13am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:23am:
give it a break socko. This has all been flogged to death.

take your pick socko. All your stupid comments are addressed here.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php


Is that the same Skep Sci whose owner had a paper that everyone said showed 97% of climate scientists endorsed AGW?

The reality? 97.1% of 33.6% of abstracts (not climate scientists) endorsed AGW in some form. From benign to catastrophic. 64 papers out of  over 11,000 claimed it was catastrophic. About 0.5%.

BTW - about those "myths". -
There really was an Ice Age scare in the 70's. Over 285 papers to say so.
CO2 does indeed lag temperature.
The models are unreliable. That's why they keep having to reinvent them.
Animals and plants can adapt. Animals can move, that's why they have legs. Plant spores are wind borne.

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Reply #137 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
Lee effortlessly rams the thick as a brick Village Idiot Troll into the garbage can.

The sunburnt from Global Warming troll with the malfunctioning missing brain just keeps vomiting the lying Greeny rubbish the drongo saw somewhere.

But with an IQ < 10 the Globally Warmed creature is totally incapable of understanding anything even remotely technical. Probably is even confused by the menu at MacDonalds!!!

What the braindead creature from under the floor boards just will never understand (and who cares what a fool like that thinks ?) is that there is not enough clear treeless windblown land to build enough solar and wind farms to generate the enormous amount energy that is currently being generated by coal and gas.

So wind and solar is in a DEAD END with nowhere to go.

Hence the enormous interest in the future energy of the world - HYDROGEN which is already being introduced in many forms around the world. HYDROGEN is genuinely renewable and will ultimately power the world's car, trucks, trains, ships, and machines.



To sum up the childish nonsense oozing out of the Global Warmists like these trolls from under the floor boards that hang around like a bad smell.

The scientific evidence does not support alarm over global warming. Global warming is not unprecedented, neither in rate nor in magnitude. While global warming may lead to sea level rises, melting continental ice will avail arable farmland; an increasingly diminishing commodity that is of greater benefit to humanity than some over-priced waterfront real-estate. Global warming will result in the retreat of deserts further extending arable farmland. Global warming will also result in biological radiation making it easier for us to conserve the biodiversity many of us are so fond of. Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide is not a cause of global warming and is either an indirect product of warming or a product of deforestation.

Investigation of the evidence exposes a number of tactical omissions, errors, and perhaps a hoax or two on the part of the catastrophists. Tactics employed by those pushing a catastrophist agenda are consistent with those used by other branches of pseudoscience such as Creationism. The lack of support for alarm over global warming by scientific evidence is certainly sufficient reason for some to evade discussion of the evidence by focussing on attacking those who do wish to address the evidence. There are strong economic and political arguments in favour of ignoring the evidence and using alarm over global warming as propaganda to sell the government funding of research and initiatives that will benefit select commercial sectors to the exclusion of the tax payer.

The observed expansion of deserts during the current mildly "warm" period is unprecedented in geological history. Deforestation is the only cause of desertification aside from global cooling and represents the principle human contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide. Yet, the emphasis of public attention on exaggerated greenhouse effects only serves to divert public scrutiny from vastly more practical and important issues such as moderating land clearance, not to mention the desperate need for communities to decentralise sufficiently to bring most services within walking distance of most residences (thereby reducing reliance on motorised transport) before the impact of peak oil.

It would appear that the catastrophist movement is more concerned with curbing development in underdeveloped countries than with vital environmental issues like the expansion of deserts as a consequence of excessive and unnecessary deforestation.

Tragically, although desertification as a direct result of excessive land clearance is a far greater threat to the ability of our environment to support current human populations, this very real and well documented threat is neglected in favour of what amounts to little more than sensationalised science fiction.


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Hydrogen is all the go in London to avoid the massive overload of their power network by toy gimmicky all electric heaps that can't do a day's work.

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Reply #138 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 2:01pm
 
Hang on ... on the one hand you deny Global Warming is a problem, but on the other hand you are spruiking Hydrogen that is in high demand due to concerns over Global Warming.

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Reply #139 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 2:22pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 2:01pm:
Hang on ... on the one hand you deny Global Warming is a problem, but on the other hand you are spruiking Hydrogen that is in high demand due to concerns over Global Warming.

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You do understand the difference between some people having concerns and that global warming is not a problem?

They are not mutually exclusive.
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Reply #140 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 3:16pm
 
Capt N you have tripped your good self up. As an amateur in this area you are forgiven.

The huge interest in HYDROGEN has far more to do with the eventually dwindling reserves of oil.

Also diesel pollution.

So eventually an alternative source of energy will be required.

As you will realize by now sun and wind will only ever be an unreliable secondary source unless man can learn to control the wind!!!!!

Now the companies developing HYDROGEN fuel and equipment using the falsity of carbon dioxide as a cause of Global Warming is simply an innocent selling misuse of a HOAX to encourage the swing over to HYDROGEN.

There are very many very gullible and uninformed people on the planet. Just look at the 2 trolls that hang around like a bad smell repeatedly displaying their gross ignorance of just about everything. But then they do have malformed malfunctioning brains as a result of genetic mutation to an earlier more primitive form.

Now for some FACTS. It is appreciated the 2 dumb trolls with their obvious low intelligence and very poor education will be unable to understand a word of this. So their gross ignorance is protected!!!!


2. The Solution: Why Hydrogen for Energy

2.1 Hydrogen is the most abundant and lightest of the elements. It is odorless and nontoxic. It has the highest energy content of common fuels by weight -- nearly three times that of gasoline.
Hydrogen is not found free in nature and must be “extracted” from diverse sources: fossil energy, renewable energy, nuclear energy and the electrolysis of water. A separate energy source (electricity, heat or light) is required to “produce” (extract or reform) the hydrogen. Today, most hydrogen is made from fossil energy using steam methane reforming (SMR) of natural gas, followed by partial oxidation (POX) and autothermal reforming (ATR), which combines SMR and POX processes.

2.2 Like electricity, hydrogen is an “energy carrier.” It can be used in a full range of applications in all sectors of the economy: transportation, power, industry, and buildings.

2.3 Hydrogen can be converted to electricity by a fuel cell, an electrochemical device. Unlike batteries, fuel cells operate continuously in the presence of hydrogen and oxygen (in ambient air).
Fuel cells are “scalable” and may be used in very small to very large sizes. The only byproducts of fuel cells are heat and water.

2.4 Hydrogen’s relationship to renewables cannot be overemphasized. The 2015 IEA Technology Roadmap for Hydrogen and Fuel Cells recognizes that hydrogen with a low-carbon footprint has the potential to facilitate significant reductions in energy-related CO2 emissions. Thus, use of renewable feedstocks for hydrogen production is very attractive from the environmental perspective.

2.5 Today, the world is witnessing significant growth in the installed capacity of renewables (primarily wind and solar). Onshore wind is the leader, accounting for over one-third of the renewable capacity and generation increase. Solar PV follows, accounting for another third of deployment.
Hydropower is also growing and accounts for one-fifth of new renewable additions, and over a quarter of the growth in renewable energy electricity generation.1

2.6 As a result of this growth, the electricity grid must sometimes restrict uptake of renewable electricity when the grid is full (saturated) in order to balance electricity supply and demand.
Consequently, renewable electricity production is curtailed. However, use of hydrogen for storage of renewable electricity (converted via water electrolysis) is a game changer. Hydrogen and  6 IEA Hydrogen electricity are in fact complementary energy carriers: hydrogen can be converted to electricity, and electricity can be converted to hydrogen.

2.7 Use of hydrogen for energy storage (short term, seasonal, long-term reserve) is sometimes referred to as “time shifting with hydrogen.”2 Underground storage of hydrogen in salt caverns and depleted oil wells is a well-established practice. The IEA HIA Strategic Plan 2015-2020 concludes that “Storage in effect optimizes the H2 value chain,”3  acting as a reserve and enhancing the security of energy supply.

2.8 Hydrogen reserves can help to buffer the electricity system, enhancing system security. Traditionally, the electricity system maintains a reserve of approximately 15-20% as a standard safety buffer to ensure smooth functioning. In the future, given increased demand for electricity, the fossil fuel supply alone may not provide sufficient buffer, so hydrogen can be used to fill the gap.

2.9 Hydrogen can be used for sector coupling by converting excess electricity (power) supply to hydrogen for non-power applications in transport, industry and buildings (heat) sectors. Inter-sectoral use enhances the integration of the energy system and leverages investment for development of the hydrogen infrastructure. Storage and sector coupling can also reduce the need for investment in new electricity transmission capacity.

2.10 Hydrogen can be used for decentralized power production in a future energy system that is increasingly inclined to consider distributed generation as an option to exclusively centralized power production. “H2 investment risk is reduced if H2 production takes place in decentralized electrolyzers, especially with low cost renewables.”4

Read the full story here

http://ieahydrogen.org/pdfs/Global-Outlook-and-Trends-for-Hydrogen_Dec2017_WEB.a...
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Reply #141 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm
 
While Tesla unsafe heaps with fast acceleration and lousy brakes crash to a stop HYDROGEN steadily takes over.

All electric is no good for larger trucks and heavy equipment.


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Unsafe TESLA 3 comes to a screeeching stop with lousy brakes



Anheuser-Busch orders fuel cell trucks from Nikola Motor
By ALICIA MOORE May 9, 2018

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Nikola will be delivering 800 fuel cell trucks to Anheuser-Busch by 2020

Beverage maker Anheuser-Busch has set a new record by ordering 800 fuel cell trucks from Nikola Motor. This accounts for the largest single deal for heavy-duty delivery trucks powered by hydrogen fuel cells every made. Nikola aims to begin delivering the new trucks to Anheuser-Busch in 2020. Some pre-production models will be incorporated into the company’s fleet by the end of this year, however. These pre-production trucks will provide an opportunity for real-world testing.

Deal represents a major step forward for fuel cells in the trucking industry
The deal, which is estimated to be worth some $720 million, has established Nikola’s lead in the hydrogen-powered trucking space. The company has been working to promote the use of fuel cells in the trucking industry for some time. Nikola has attracted a great deal of attention to its trucks and even recently announced that it would be refunding all pre-orders because it no longer needs the funding to develop its new trucks. Several other large companies have made orders from Nikola, but no production model will be delivered to these companies until 2020.

Large companies are looking for ways to make trucks more environmentally friendly
Large commercial trucking companies, such as Anheuser-Busch, have plans to make significant reductions to the emissions they produce every year. Large trucks are notorious for the carbon dioxide they emit. Some companies have begun investing in battery technology to help solve the problem, but hydrogen fuel cells may be the more viable option. Fuel cells consume hydrogen to generate electricity and produce no harmful emissions, but they do not sacrifice performance. Some hydrogen-powered trucks actually boast of fast acceleration than conventional trucks.

Hydrogen continues to gain popularity in the transportation space
Fuel Cell Trucks - Truck on RaodHydrogen has already established a significant position in the transportation space among consumers. There are many passenger vehicles that are currently being powered by fuel cells. Automakers have been working tirelessly to promote their own vehicles to consumers interested in clean transportation. Nikola is currently well ahead of the competition when it comes to the trucking industry, however, as there are relatively few other companies that have plans to launch hydrogen-powered trucks in the near future.

http://www.hydrogenfuelnews.com/anheuser-busch-orders-fuel-cell-trucks-from-niko...
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Reply #142 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 6:44pm
 
Solar sabotage!!!!

White elephant solar panels: “force-feeding” high voltage, raising costs, breaking things, shutting themselves down
November 9th, 2018

Solar Rooftop panels, photo.Some days I wonder if I should spread stories that make us sound like a recidivist third-world backwater struggling to maintain our voltage. But the ABC is already smashing away.

Just when you think there couldn’t possibly be another drawback to solar panels, lo! Solar Panels are pushing up the voltage at midday often as high as 253 Volts when it supposed to be more like 230 to 240V. This means appliances are using more electricity, that makes bills even higher. It may also be breaking appliances (making other bills go higher too). We’re not really sure about that, but when that study is done, it’ll already be 1.8 million panels too late.

Non-solar users are paying for this surge (and the appliances) — for every 1% increase in voltage, the costs go up 0.7%. Then, to ice that gravy-cake, the inverters on solar panels are also shutting off at 253V, meaning that poor home owners who paid thousands are not generating power for the grid. All up, solar is bad for you, bad for them, bad for our light-globes.

The warning comes from groups running the electricity networks in Australia.


Spot the key word missing from the ABC headline — starts with ‘s’, ends in ‘lar’:

Power bills up? Appliances burning out? You may have a voltage problem
Liz Hobday, ABC

Travel 40% of the way through the article to find the key point:

Andrew Dillon, spokesman for Energy Networks Australia, the peak body for Australia’s poles and wires companies] said the rapid uptake of rooftop solar systems was a particular issue for the networks, because solar systems are supplying extra electricity to the grid, and boosting voltages.

But to be fair, the ABC did highlight “solar” in the 3 key points at the top — wait for it: “Voltage” can be a problem, but solar panels can only be victims. No sacred cows are sacrificed in this story.

Key points
Higher voltage on power supply to homes is a major concern, researchers say
Impact on home appliances and potential ‘burnout’ needs more research
Could be causing a significant amount of solar energy to be wasted
Solution: give us more money, try another experiment


“There are technologies we could adopt today, to be able to manage the voltage challenges we have from solar better than we are now,” he said.

“The problem we have is we are not willing to pay billions of dollars further on the network … [we're] after a smart, cost-effective transition.”

Some poles and wires companies are trialling voltage reduction on a large scale, and there is evidence that this could cut electricity consumption.

Don’t mention the third way: Stop subsidizing weather-changing-white-solar- elephants, and ask solar owners to cover the costs to stabilize the system as is. We could make a case that solar owners should be subsidizing bill payers who have been carrying the cost.

Higher voltage means higher bills
The results of a recent trial, by the Victorian network United Energy, showed that when voltage was reduced at 20 substations in and around Melbourne, every 1 per cent reduction in voltage saw, on average, an estimated 0.69 per cent reduction in demand for electricity.

But there is also research by the Queensland network Energex showing the scale of the problem the networks are facing.

When Energex reviewed almost 34,000 of the electrical transformers on its network in 2014, it found 76 per cent of the transformers were set too high, and were sending too much voltage through to households.

”Lucky”, a quarter of transformers in Queensland might be working properly. Err, “congrats”.

High voltages turn solar PV in white elephants
> 253V solar panel inverters themselves shut off, making the panels into white elephants just at the point when they are generating the most electricity.

High volts could mean wasted solar
There is one area where high voltage is definitely causing headaches, and that is for people who have installed rooftop solar systems.

Pensioner Paul Ryan installed solar panels on his house in the Victorian town of Warragul more than a year ago, but for much of that time they have not been working. The system often has to shut off to protect itself from high voltages coming in from the grid.

“It turned out to be a bit of a white elephant in a sense,” Mr Ryan told 7.30.

Rooftop solar systems are designed to operate at a few volts higher than the grid, so they can feed electricity back into the local network.

But with network voltage supplied to households already running at the high end, solar energy feeding into the grid can boost the volts even higher, and over the 253-volt limit — causing solar inverters to shut off.

The whole point of solar panels is to stop storms and hold back the tide which makes them a white elephant from the moment they are installed. The high voltage cut-off makes white elephants into double elephants.

Not something you want on the roof.

With 1.8 million solar systems installed in Australian homes and businesses, a significant amount of renewable energy may simply be wasted.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/11/white-elephant-solar-panels-force-feeding-high-...
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Reply #143 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 8:17pm
 
This green hypocrisy is reaching new heights. What a ridiculous argument-that other things like cars and cats kill more birds than these hideous landscape blighting monstrosities(which are really reincarnations of old technology from the 19th century).

So now its all right to destroy bats and raptors in a “new way”.

Its now time to start also ignoring the other side of renewable wind energies dirty little secrets like, the mining and refining of neodymium in Bautou Mongolia. Here tailing lakes of acid and radioactive material have utterly destroyed farmlands and caused disease among the locals.

Meanwhile around the world these Wind factories have brought sleeplessness,tinnitus (potential cardiovascular disease according to the latest report from the WHO).

One would go one step further than describing this as green hypocrisy its really more like green form of Physcopathy where not only are humans in the sights of these zealots but also animals.

Yes what a mentality these people must have disastrous “unintended consequences” that are foist on other living creatures and are acceptable as some form of collateral damage -leaving them still feeling some how virtuous.

The idea that in a modern world of reliable and sustainable nuclear power and HELE coal fired power plants we should instead use thousands of wind turbines to power a modern society smacks of utter stupidity of the extreme kind.

Then there is the cost difference. It’s time Morrison came out and prosecuted the case more strongly for coal and nuclear and against all forms of renewables.

Not one cent more should be spent on renewables and a whole lot more spent on at least coal to help our nation sustain a viable and economic future, just as so many other nations are already doing.

The LNP has one last chance to avoid our nation being smashed by the left if ALP+Greens win. He better get cracking soon and stop playing hide and seek.

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Wind Turbines are new top predator in the ecosystem
November 7th, 2018

Wind turbines either kill or scare away three quarters of buzzards, hawks and kites at three sites in India. That makes them the new “top predator” in the ecosystem according to new research.  Perhaps not the niche that Greens were expecting wind farms to occupy.

It’s not all bad news though, fan-throated lizards are pretty happy about not being dinner.

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75% of Buzzards Vote For Coal Power Lizards vote for wind.


Wind farms are the ‘new apex predators’: Blades kill off 75% of buzzards, hawks and kites that live nearby, study shows
Harry Pettit for Daily Mail Online

Predatory bird numbers are four times higher in areas away from wind turbines
This is having a devastating ’ripple effect’ across the food chain
It means numbers of certain small animals are growing unchecked


Wind turbines are the world’s new ‘apex predators’, wiping out buzzards, hawks and other carnivorous birds at the top of the food chain, say scientists. A study of wind farms in India found that predatory bird numbers drop by three quarters in areas around the turbines. This is having a ‘ripple effect’ across the food chain, with small mammals and reptiles adjusting their behaviour as their natural predators disappear from the skies.

Study coauthor Professor Maria Thaker said:
‘Every time a top predator is removed or added, unexpected effects trickle through the ecosystem. What is actually happening here is the wind-turbines are akin to adding a top predator to the ecosystem.’

From the abstract:

The cascading effects of wind turbines on lizards include changes in behaviour, physiology and morphology that reflect a combination of predator release and density-dependent competition. By adding an effective trophic level to the top of food webs, we find that wind farms have emerging impacts that are greatly underestimated. There is thus a strong need for an ecosystem-wide view when aligning green-energy goals with environment protection.

300,000 wind turbines too late.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/11/wind-turbines-are-new-top-predator-in-the-ecosy...
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Reply #144 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 8:28pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 11:13am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:23am:
give it a break socko. This has all been flogged to death.

take your pick socko. All your stupid comments are addressed here.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php


Is that the same Skep Sci whose owner had a paper that everyone said showed 97% of climate scientists endorsed AGW?

The reality? 97.1% of 33.6% of abstracts (not climate scientists) endorsed AGW in some form. From benign to catastrophic. 64 papers out of  over 11,000 claimed it was catastrophic. About 0.5%.

BTW - about those "myths". -
There really was an Ice Age scare in the 70's. Over 285 papers to say so.
CO2 does indeed lag temperature.
The models are unreliable. That's why they keep having to reinvent them.
Animals and plants can adapt. Animals can move, that's why they have legs. Plant spores are wind borne.

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What are you saying then that the majority think there is nothing to worry about ? Cheesy LOL
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Reply #145 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 8:32pm
 
Hey socko you forgot to talk about the species who no longer have a voice because they have become extinct because of your fake oil based economy Sad

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40...

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Earth has lost half of its wildlife in the past 40 years, says WWF

Species across land, rivers and seas decimated as humans kill for food in unsustainable numbers and destroy habitats

The number of wild animals on Earth has halved in the past 40 years, according to a new analysis. Creatures across land, rivers and the seas are being decimated as humans kill them for food in unsustainable numbers, while polluting or destroying their habitats, the research by scientists at WWF and the Zoological Society of London found.

“If half the animals died in London zoo next week it would be front page news,” said Professor Ken Norris, ZSL’s director of science. “But that is happening in the great outdoors. This damage is not inevitable but a consequence of the way we choose to live.” He said nature, which provides food and clean water and air, was essential for human wellbeing.

“We have lost one half of the animal population and knowing this is driven by human consumption, this is clearly a call to arms and we must act now,” said Mike Barratt, director of science and policy at WWF. He said more of the Earth must be protected from development and deforestation, while food and energy had to be produced sustainably.

The steep decline of animal, fish and bird numbers was calculated by analysing 10,000 different populations, covering 3,000 species in total. This data was then, for the first time, used to create a representative “Living Planet Index” (LPI), reflecting the state of all 45,000 known vertebrates.

“We have all heard of the FTSE 100 index, but we have missed the ultimate indicator, the falling trend of species and ecosystems in the world,” said Professor Jonathan Baillie, ZSL’s director of conservation. “If we get [our response] right, we will have a safe and sustainable way of life for the future,” he said.

If not, he added, the overuse of resources would ultimately lead to conflicts. He said the LPI was an extremely robust indicator and had been adopted by UN’s internationally-agreed Convention on Biological Diversity as key insight into biodiversity....


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A second index in the new Living Planet report calculates humanity’s “ecological footprint”, ie the scale at which it is using up natural resources. Currently, the global population is cutting down trees faster than they regrow, catching fish faster than the oceans can restock, pumping water from rivers and aquifers faster than rainfall can replenish them and emitting more climate-warming carbon dioxide than oceans and forests can absorb.

The report concludes that today’s average global rate of consumption would need 1.5 planet Earths to sustain it. But four planets would be required to sustain US levels of consumption, or 2.5 Earths to match UK consumption levels.

The fastest decline among the animal populations were found in freshwater ecosystems, where numbers have plummeted by 75% since 1970. “Rivers are the bottom of the system,” said Dave Tickner, WWF’s chief freshwater adviser. “Whatever happens on the land, it all ends up in the rivers.” For example, he said, tens of billions of tonnes of effluent are dumped in the Ganges in India every year.

As well as pollution, dams and the increasing abstraction of water damage freshwater systems. There are more than 45,000 major dams – 15m or higher – around the world. “These slice rivers up into a thousand pieces,” Tickner said, preventing the healthy flow of water. While population has risen fourfold in the last century, water use has gone up sevenfold. “We are living thirstier and thirstier lives,” he said.

But while freshwater species such as the European eel and the hellbender salamander in the US have crashed, recoveries have also been seen. Otters were near extinct in England but thanks to conservation efforts now live in every county.



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Reply #146 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:09pm
 
That horrible bad smell is the primitive Troll crawling out from under the floor boards displaying his/her gross ignorance again. But then he/she does have a malformed malfunctioning brain as a result of genetic mutation to an earlier more primitive form.
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juliar wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
That horrible bad smell is the primitive Troll crawling out from under the floor boards displaying his/her gross ignorance again. But then he/she does have a malformed malfunctioning brain as a result of genetic mutation to an earlier more primitive form.


copy and paste answer when it can't debate the issue which is never Cheesy LOL
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Reply #148 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:14pm
 
How is the oil based fossil fuel economy fake??? It's precisely what built the global economy. Without we would be still agrarian villagers just trying  to get enough food to survive the winter.

It's hard to believe these leftists are from the same planet.
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Term Dog wrote on Nov 12th, 2018 at 9:14pm:
How is the oil based fossil fuel economy fake??? It's precisely what built the global economy. Without we would be still agrarian villagers just trying  to get enough food to survive the winter.

It's hard to believe these leftists are from the same planet.


It is fake because the same stuff that built up the global economies will also end up destroying it !

Just like asbestos it is no good in the long run !
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