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The futility of Renewables
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Brilliant article about the futility of wind and solar for national power by Viv who really knows his subject.




The Green Elephant in the Snowy Mountains
VIV FORBES Fri 31 Aug 2018 09:58:25 am/3827 COMMENTS

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Canberra breeds many white elephants, but now they are breeding a gigantic new breed of pachyderm in Australia’s Snowy Mountains – a Green Elephant. Grandly named “Snowy 2.0 Hydro-Electric”, it has the compulsory green skin, but it is just another big white elephant under a thick layer of green paint.

Snowy 2.0 plans a hugely expensive complex of dams, tunnels, pumps, pipes, generators, roads and powerlines. Water will be pumped up-hill using grid power in times of low demand, and then released when needed to recover some of that energy.

To call it “hydro-electric” is a fraud – it will not store one extra litre of water and will be a net consumer of electric power. It is a giant electric storage battery to be recharged using grid power.

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This is just the next episode in an expensive and impossible green dream to run Australian cities and industries, plus a growing electric vehicle fleet, on intermittent wind and solar energy and without coal, gas, oil or nuclear fuels.

Surely we can learn from the unfolding disaster of a similar German Grand Plan:
https://carbon-sense.com/2018/08/29/german-plan-to-abolish-carbon-fuels-fails/

The first stage of Australia’s green dream was to demonise coal and nuclear power, set onerous green energy and CO2 emissions targets, subsidise and mandate the use of intermittent energy from wind and solar, and give electric cars financial and other privileges. All of this costs Australian electricity users and tax payers at least $5 billion per year. This destructive force-feeding of solar and wind power is well advanced.

Solar energy peaks around mid-day, falls to zero from dusk to dawn and is much reduced by clouds, dust and smoke. Over a year it may produce about 16% of name-plate capacity. Thus a solar-battery system would need installed solar capacity of six times the demand. These solar “farms” are very land-hungry per unit of usable energy, often sterilising large areas of agricultural land.

Wind energy is much more erratic - it can produce about 35% of peak capacity but often produces peak power during the night when there is low demand. It may produce zero power for several days. A sudden high wind can send wind power surging onto the grid, and it falls to zero as the wind dies. Wind power driving a wind-battery system would need installed wind capacity of triple the expected demand, but even that may not cope with a long windless spell.

There can be days with zero production from either wind or solar, and neither can increase output to meet demand which often peaks around dinner time and breakfast time when green power is scarce. Wind “farms” are a blight on the landscape and are often built in scenic areas where farming and forestry are prohibited.

The price of electricity fluctuates wildly as these floods and droughts of intermittent green energy surge into the grid. This creates instability, increases the chance of blackouts and destroys the viability of reliable coal-fired generators which are unable to ramp up fast enough to profit from soaring power prices during green energy droughts and are forced to keep running while accepting close-to-zero prices during the green deluges. To speed up this destruction of reliable energy, politicians are still using subsidies and targets to encourage more green energy to be dumped randomly onto the grid.

For a short very clear video on the cost and reliability problems caused by wind power in Minnesota see:

https://youtu.be/0vaIYttrL88


                Warren Buffett puts it bluntly:
                       “We get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms.
                        That’s the only reason to build them.
                        They don’t make sense without the tax credit.”

The solution to green energy disruption is simple. Do not allow any new spasmodic generators like wind and solar to connect direct to the grid. They must construct or contract for battery or other backup to moderate their fluctuations and increase reliability and predictability. Existing wind-solar farms already connected to the grid should lose all subsidies and be paid what their second class product is worth at the time it floods on to the grid.

Backing up and taming green energy is simple in principle – it can be done using lithium batteries like the Musk monster in South Australia, or giant pumped-hydro schemes like Snowy 2.0. Or conventional reliable generators like hydro, gas, oil, coal or nuclear can be operated intermittently to fill green energy gaps.

Read the full guide to ScoMo winning the election on energy here

http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-green-elephant-in-the-snowy-mountains-/8517
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:33pm
 
Will Blo Mo honour Aborts $550 a year promise or will we all die waiting.....waiting....waiting....waiting.....  ?? Cheesy LOL

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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:27am
 
The silly old dead in the head TROLL VIRUS crawls out from under the floor boards.
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:37am
 
ScoMo is moving in the correct direction but just how fast can he move ? Will ScoMo copy Clive Palmer's energy policies ?

Is the Paris Agreement FRAUD really just a smoke screen for the Greenies' Agenda 2030?





DON'T CANCEL PARIS... just let the red windmill keep turning
Sat 8 Sep 2018 10:50:56 am/98 COMMENTS

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Why make a song and dance about telling Paris to shove their CO2 targets up their arse? It’s not necessary, as we are already well within their insanely destructive targets and we will also be by 2030, due mostly to Abbott's sensible "Direct Action".

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Two of the world's biggest con artists

Paris only needs to worry about our coal firing up 1600 existing power stations across the world along with one station a week being completed by India and China… China, India and the US have simply ignored the crazy hoax of global warming, and so will we as we go about supplying the world with our coal... and that won't stop.

So we just need to silently walk away, which I suspect ScoMo is doing now that he needs to placate the pro Turnbull Liberal warmists.

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The entire IPCC scam is coming apart at the seams anyway now that their ideological lies have been exposed. 

http://pickeringpost.com/glance/don-t-cancel-paris-just-let-the-red-windmill-kee...   
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:49am
 
The new rort - imaginary ocean level rising.




PACIFIC FORUM FARCE
LARRY PICKERING Fri 7 Sep 2018 09:17:21 am/2926 COMMENTS

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If Australia thinks it can outspend China in the South Pacific now that the obese Island Jifs (chiefs) have discovered the rising sea-level ruse, then it’s kidding itself. But the three la femme musketeers of Gillard, Bishop and now Payne have given it their best shot. With stolen funds of course… stolen from our future generation.

Let’s get this straight… sea levels have not, and will not, in the next many millennia rise or fall beyond the normal miniscule centimetre cycles. After seven years of helicopter search and rescue operations in the area I can assure you the only sea level rises anywhere have been tsunamis caused by undersea volcanic movement. And you can’t spend your way out of avoiding those.

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Hundreds of populated islands, barely inches above high tide, have been there for thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of years. But that won’t stop the ever-opportunistic island Jifs from taking advantage of the current climate change scam encouraged by the fraudulent UN’s IPCC and Left leaning politicians and media.

It’s confounding that an air head like Turnbull’s “little” token female, Marise Payne, has flummed the Stick Insect’s old job. It’s embarrassing. It seems you must first prove to be a portfolio failure to qualify for the plum DFAT post.

UN envoys have assured Island Jifs that they need to express “fear” of “expected” rising sea levels to cash in on this global warming bonanza.

Fear of Australian droughts and floods doesn’t seem to raise one hair on one neck. It certainly doesn’t seem to get Treasury all upset to the extent it would put its grubby hands even deeper into our pockets.

The UN, since it was the League of Nations, has been as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike. But for some reason we need to pay loyalty and royalties to an Islam dominated orgy of greed and corruption as a “responsible” member of the World’s nationhood.

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Trump is leading the way out of this Left insanity and the even more Left media is refusing to allow the World to be cleansed of this madness by denying democracy and ignoring the electoral process.

I said to my doctor last week, “surely you don’t go along with this global warming bullshit, do you?” He slipped his glasses down his nose and said, “Well, 97 per cent of scientists can’t be wrong”.

I didn’t bother telling him that the well-publicised 97 per cent was of IPCC “scientists” only (most of whom are neither scientists, nor climatologists, but charlatan warmists on huge UN salaries with massive perks).

Thirty thousand real scientists and climatologists say it’s a hoax.

Oh well, we are getting there as we watch the EU and UN slowly collapse under the weight of lies and corruption.

ScoMo should get on the Trump wagon, because he resists media collusion.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/pacific-forum-farce/8539
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
The dumb gullible CO2 breathing Greeny types are looking sillier by the day as they parade their Global Warming HOAX fueled by harmless essential to life on earth CO2.




CO2, OXYGEN, AND THE WORLD'S "POLLUTED" CITIES ARE DOING FINE THANKYOU...only Al Gore's bank account is suffering
LARRY PICKERING Tue 11 Sep 2018 07:06:27 am/1040 COMMENTS

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New York city surrounds its historic four kilometer long Central Park that has thrived for 160 years on CO2 and methane. Yet it is falsely cited as one of the world's most "polluted" cities.


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Saudi Arabia’s capital, Riyadh, (above) is one of the ten most “polluted” cities on earth yet this corrupted capital has dozens of beautiful, imposing parks, thriving with vegetation ingesting the copious plant food CO2.


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Iran’s Tehran, (above) not known for its environmental concerns, is also highly “polluted” yet sports dozens of thriving parks and gardens, with healthy trees competing for sunlight.


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Famous for its "pollution", Tokyo supports a population of over 36 million and many magnificent old-growth parklands.


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The same applies for vehicle-choked Los Angeles, yet the warmists still maintain CO2 is a dangerous pollutant. But LA's sequoias (above) don't appear too distressed.


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The World Health Organisation claims fossil fuel's toxic fumes blanket large cities. The WHO tells lies, this is steam, H2O, and will return to earth as distilled water.


Vegetation sucks up CO2 and returns the oxygen we need. The constant photosynthesis process only needs light.

So while little Josh Friedanegg bemoans the loss of his NEG, this four billion year-long process continues, whether it's recycling dinosaur methane or CO2.

There is nothing for little Josh to worry about.

But there's plenty for Al Gore to worry about now that his "convenient" hoax is unravelling across the world.   

http://pickeringpost.com/story/co2-oxygen-and-the-world-s-polluted-cities-are-do...
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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:59am
 
Not related to Herb are you dill?

Using Pickering the crook as a source.

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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
Reddy shows just what MT vessels the Lefties really are.

Reddy only can say and think what GetUp! has told him.

Reddy has not got the vaguest clue about the topic and so he gravitates to the usual Lefty dribble scribble.

You would wonder why he even bothers.
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Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:11pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:59am:
Using Pickering the crook as a source.



Just shooting the messenger. Have you got a cogent argument?

You know like the temperature has risen so fast? About 1C in a century? Except of course the uncertainty is at least +/- 0.5C.

Phil Jones from CRU has said 3 warming periods from 1880-2010 were statistically indistinguishable from each other. How bizarre is that? It seems to point to CO2 not being any kind of driver in climate change.

But if you have reputable sources to refute what I say; feel free.

SkepSci, Guardian are not reputable sources. Use scientific papers.
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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:17pm
 
Leaving Reddy to his Lefty futility and back to the topic which is far too hard for Reddy to even begin to understand.

Viv explains just why renewables are futile in supplying the national grid.

Of course the Lefties and Greeny types won't understand a word of it.





Politicians again show “Real Genius”
VIV FORBES Fri 14 Sep 2018 07:36:33 am/330 COMMENTS

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Back in the chaotic dying days of the Whitlam-Cairns-Connor government, Canberra was buzzing with Rex Connor’s grand plans for a national energy grid and gas pipelines linking the NW Shelf to the capital cities, all to be funded by massive foreign loans arranged by a mysterious Pakistani named Khemlani. Malcolm Fraser staged a parliamentary revolt. The economy slumped.

A British observer at that time was asked who was the greater Prime Minister - Harold Wilson or Gough Whitlam. He replied:

“Any fool can bugger up Britain but it takes real genius to bugger up Australia.”

Australian politicians are again showing real genius.

Now, we have incredible tri-partisan plans to cover the continent with a spider-web of transmission lines connecting wind/solar “farms” sending piddling amounts of intermittent power to distant consumers and to expensive battery and hydro backups - all funded by electricity consumers, tax-assisted speculators and foreign debt.

We are the world’s biggest coal exporter but have not built a big coal-fired power station for 11 years. We have massive deposits of uranium but 100% of this energy is either exported, or sterilised by the Giant Rainbow Serpent, or blocked by the Green-anti’s.

Australia suffers recurrent droughts but has not built a major water supply dam for about 40 years, and the average age of our hydro-electric plants is 48 years. And when the floods do come, desperate farmers watch as years of rain water rush past to irrigate distant oceans.

Once, Australia was a world leader in exploration and drilling – it is now a world leader in legalism, red tape and environmental obstructionism.

Once, Canberra and the States encouraged oil and gas exploration with geological mapping and research - now they restrict land and sea access and limit exports.

Once, Australia was a world leader in refining metals and petroleum - now our expensive unreliable electricity and green tape are driving these industries and their jobs overseas.

Once, Australia’s CSIRO was respected for research that supported industry and for doing useful things like controlling rabbits and prickly pear and developing better crops and pastures. Now CSIRO panders to global warming hysteria and promotes the fairy story that carbon taxes and emissions targets can change the world’s climate.

Once, young Australians excelled in maths, science and engineering. Now, they are brain-washed in gender studies, green energy non-science and environmental activism.

Once, the opening of a railway or the discovery of oil, coal, nickel or uranium made headlines. Today’s Aussies harass explorers and developers, and queue at the release of the latest IPad.


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As Australia’s first people discovered, if today’s Australians lack the will or the knowledge to use our great natural resources, more energetic people will take them from us.

http://pickeringpost.com/story/politicians-again-show-real-genius-/8557
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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:33pm
 
Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations At 400 PPM Are Still Dangerously Low For Life On Earth
By P Gosselin on 17. May 2013

With atmospheric CO2 concentrations reaching the 400 ppm level, the media and a number of alarmist scientists have set off the mega-alarm bells, claiming “record high levels” of CO2 had been reached, and that the planet is on the verge of an overdose. This is based purely on ignorance of the Earth’s history.

Worrying that 400 ppm is too high is like worrying about your fuel tank overflowing when it reaches the 1/8 mark during filling.

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At 400 ppm CO2 levels are actually dangerously low in historical terms.

From a historical perspective, an atmospheric CO2 concentration of 400 ppm is actually almost scraping the bottom of the barrel. Over the Earth’s history, atmospheric CO2 concentrations have ranged from 180 ppm to 7000 ppm, see Figure 1 below. On that scale we are in fact today barely above the Earth’s record lows.

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Figure 1: Atmospheric CO2 concentration is just barely above the life-sustaining levels of 150 ppm. For life to have real buffer against mass extinction, CO2 needs to be closer to 1000 ppm. Source: http://deforestation.geologist-1011.net/.

That 400 ppm is actually dangerously low is a fact the alarmists keep avoiding and suppressing. Below 150 ppm, plant-life dies off on a massive scale. The Earth actually came very close to that point many times over the last 2 million years during the ice ages. At the bottom of the last ice age just 20,000 years ago, life on the planet literally teetered on the brink when CO2 fell to a level of just 180 ppm. Do we really want to live on the brink of extinction?


It’s a fact that biologists have shown that once the atmospheric CO2 level falls below the 500 ppm level, plants really begin to suffer. Many of us have seen the video showing how plants grow faster under higher CO2 concentrations. The following charts show the growth curves of some plants as a function of CO2 concentration:

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Climate Myth: CO2 was higher in the past
"The killer proof that CO2 does not drive climate is to be found during the Ordovician- Silurian and the Jurassic-Cretaceous periods when CO2 levels were greater than 4000 ppmv (parts per million by volume) and about 2000 ppmv respectively. If the IPCC theory is correct there should have been runaway greenhouse induced global warming during these periods but instead there was glaciation."
(The Lavoisier Group)

Over the Earth's history, there are times where atmospheric CO2 is higher than current levels. Intriguingly, the planet experienced widespread regions of glaciation during some of those periods. Does this contradict the warming effect of CO2? No, for one simple reason. CO2 is not the only driver of climate. To understand past climate, we need to include other forcings that drive climate. To do this, one study pieced together 490 proxy records to reconstruct CO2 levels over the last 540 million years (Royer 2006). This period is known as the Phanerozoic eon.

http://notrickszone.com/2013/05/17/atmospheric-co2-concentrations-at-400-ppm-are...
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Reply #11 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:03pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:49am:
The new rort - imaginary ocean level rising.


That's right the islands are sinking aren't they socko Cheesy LOL ! What a deadbeat you are socko. This is why the LNP is about to become permanently extinct just like some of the animal species it has helped to become extinct with its fake oil economy Sad
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Reply #12 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:08pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
That's right the islands are sinking aren't they socko



Samoa is or do you want to look at another island? Wink

"Geological subsidence and sinking islands: the case of Manono (Samoa)"

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/arco.5099

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Reply #13 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:19pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:11pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:59am:
Using Pickering the crook as a source.



Just shooting the messenger. Have you got a cogent argument?

You know like the temperature has risen so fast? About 1C in a century? Except of course the uncertainty is at least +/- 0.5C.

Phil Jones from CRU has said 3 warming periods from 1880-2010 were statistically indistinguishable from each other. How bizarre is that? It seems to point to CO2 not being any kind of driver in climate change.

But if you have reputable sources to refute what I say; feel free.

SkepSci, Guardian are not reputable sources. Use scientific papers.


Then why don't you submit it as a paper for peer review instead of doing the Andrew Bolt trick of hoodwinking the gullible with selective data taken out of context. Cheesy LOL
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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 10:21pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:08pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:03pm:
That's right the islands are sinking aren't they socko



Samoa is or do you want to look at another island? Wink

"Geological subsidence and sinking islands: the case of Manono (Samoa)"

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/arco.5099



Yes they all must be sinking Cheesy LOL Why ? Because Andrew Bolt says so in his rag and the rightards don't want to feel guilty about profiting out of destroying the planet Sad
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