President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 11^th, 2018 at 8:09pm:


No, I totally believe Bojack.
I'm a Diver. I can tell how he's wording things - that he's being honest.

I do understand what he's trying to say.

Basically, we live in a nation where all the really 'skilled' people are volunteers and all the idiots are paid by the Govt.
Well Bojack, look on the bright side - being a 'volunteer' means you can get laid (in Australia) without having to drink alcohol, do drugs, marry a non-English-speaking primitive from some long lost tribe (from the back of Scotland) and other 'self-destructive' aspects.

I might have been harsh in putting it to the 'more skilled' and experienced Cave Divers to 'float their own boat' (fund themselves without need of harassing people for donations)
- rather than whinge about Govt paid AFP Divers.

But the truth is, even I can agree that only one AFP Diver would have been needed for any 'legal' translations - but yes, the Australian 'Privateer' Cave Divers are vastly more experienced and are more 'Rescue' orientated than 'crime/legal' orientated like the AFP.
I also believe that the Australian Media wouldn't publish/promote that 'pommies' did all the work and the Australian side was a bit left wanting. 

So yep - I think it was a balls up from Australia's side.

>>>As for the Thais letting the kids die? Well, I kinda agree with the Thai - there's plenty more of them where they come from. 

Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 7:02am:



i took a big strong policeman for a bushwalk near my property on day.
2/3 of the way up the mountain, i saw him sweating and really taking in the deep breaths.
i said jokingly"are you right mate, do you want me to carry your pack?"
at which point he took it off his back and handed it to me.

cods wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 8:47am:



1. Thats the whole point. I'm saying this in hindsight., bugger you're an idiot.
2. Who said the AFP divers didn't get wet, I was simply saying that based on what they did do , they werent needed.

Now hold on Cods.

Sometimes we are led to believe otherwise thanks to the Media. The Media sometimes acts as blatantly a liar to us as like an early 1950's USSR Propaganda leaflet - they think we are that stupid.

Even I can say, as I've dived with a few and of what I know of it (especially via a gorgeous woman and one of Australia's greatest Cave Divers: Agnes Milowka) - that Australia's Privateer (or Non-Government) Cave Diving Scene is far ahead of the AFP scene. They (AFP) have 'experience' - but not 'real' progressive experience.

It's not the first time the Australian Government hasn't let the 'Pros' in, because they're not under the Govt wing.

I mean lets face it. When it comes to 'Rescue' situations - Australia's 'Services' should be getting paid more than the Military ...because they are far far busier than the Military here (who only works like a sub-contractor 'Mercenary' for other Nations).

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 9:35am:


Yeah - I was conversing over the net with her a week before. Considering 'what' we were talking about. It was a real shock to my system. It took me a long time to get back on to the internet after that.