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John Bolton declares ICC "dead to" America!
Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:44am
 


John Bolton declares International Criminal Court 'dangerous' and 'dead to' America



He labels the ICC as a 'freewheeling global organization governing over people without their consent'



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National Security Advisor to Donald Trump, John Bolton, has said the International Criminal Court (ICC) is “dead to us” in his latest speech.

He labelled the court as “illegitimate” and “for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us”.

Mr Bolton, who has long held an unfavourable view of the court, who was speaking at a meeting of the Federalist Society, a conservative group based in Washington DC, said the ICC was “ineffective, unaccountable, and indeed outright dangerous”.

The court, established in 2002 in The Hague in the Netherlands, has the power to prosecute individuals for war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity. The US never ratified the Rome Statute that established the court and George W Bush, in the early days of the still-ongoing war in Afghanistan, never ratified it.

The court is getting ready to investigate detainee abuse in Afghanistan, an investigation Mr Bolton called “utterly unfounded”, adding: ”We will provide no cooperation to the ICC.”

The former US Ambassador to the United Nations under Mr Bush, went on to say the “central aim of [the ICC’s] most vigorous supporters was to constrain the US”.

Mr Bolton said the court’s statute had “glaring, significant flaws” and ”constituted an assault on the constitutional rights of the American people and the sovereignty of the US”.

He also acknowledged his hecklers as Code Pink, an international charity which works to end US-funded wars, his “friends who follow me” everywhere.

Mr Bolton, following a trend in the Trump administration of criticising multilateralism, branded the ICC as a “freewheeling global organisation governing over individuals without their consent”.

He claimed American “soldiers, politicians, and private citizens” are at risk because the court assumes the automatic right to prosecute over everyone, even in countries which did not ratify the Rome Statute establishing the court. 

Israel, Sudan, Russia, and the US under Mr Bush, are four signatories of the statute who renounced their signatures and informed the UN they would no longer be subject to the legal obligations under the statute.

Mr Bolton said the US’ “unsigning” of the Rome Statute was meant to protect Americans from the “unacceptable overreach” of the court.

He cited the 2002 American Service-members Protection Act, “which some have dubbed the Hague invasion act” Mr Bolton said and also prosecution within South Africa following the abolishment of apartheid as examples of why the court was “superfluous”.

The act authorized the US president to use all means, “including force”, to shield US military members from prosecution by the ICC, he noted.

The Trump aide said US courts and the military justice system already hold all Americans to “the highest legal and ethical standards”.

Mr Bolton repeatedly hit out at the global body of which 123 countries are part, asking: “Would you consign the fate of American citizens to a committee of other nations [and] entities that aren’t even states like the Palestinian authority?”

The US state department had earlier announced the closure of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) office in Washington, partly out of a concern over the office’s attempts to have the ICC investigate US ally Israel.

He supported the aggressive US stance against the ICC by citing internal management issues, like divulging confidential information to human rights ambassadors like actress Angelina Jolie.

Mr Bolton went as far as threatening ICC officials and prosecutors with sanctions and legal action “to the extent permissible under US law” and said those individuals could be barred from entering the country.

The overarching message of the National Security Advisor was that any perceived atrocity against humanity is to be deemed so by the people within those states, not by the international body.

“We don’t recognise any authority higher than the US Constitution,” Mr Bolton said.


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Re: John Bolton declares ICC "dead to" America!
Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 10:04am
 
Remember that next time US wants an international war criminal prosecuted.
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Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 12:19pm
 
Any politician signing away our sovereignty to an unelected body outside of Australia (or other countries) should be thrown out of office and be thrown straight into a Jail Cell for a minimum of 10 years...  Angry
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Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:26pm
 
Bolton's covering his arse over the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Yep, Mr Trump said it: drain the swamp, no?
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Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:31pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
Any politician signing away our sovereignty to an unelected body outside of Australia (or other countries) should be thrown out of office and be thrown straight into a Jail Cell for a minimum of 10 years...  Angry


Good point, Mechanic. Any dictator who signs away his sovereignty to be prosecuted for human rights violations, genocide and the illegal invasions of other sovereign countries deserves to be thrown in jail for 10 years.

Just not by the International Criminal Court, okay?
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Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:05am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
Bolton's covering his arse over the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Yep, Mr Trump said it: drain the swamp, no?


The President should never have employed Bolton - a neo-con. Has blood on his hands from 9/11 and a total madman.

Steve Pieczenic - always a straight shooter.


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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:46am
 
Richdude wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:05am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
Bolton's covering his arse over the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Yep, Mr Trump said it: drain the swamp, no?


The President should never have employed Bolton - a neo-con. Has blood on his hands from 9/11 and a total madman.

Steve Pieczenic - always a straight shooter.




interesting...

I guess as an outsider as Trump is, that its hard to know who to trust and who not to trust...

we've already seen numerous times already how spies were put into the Trump Campaign and others as fall guys...

and this is how the DNC won the last two terms... the GOP is lying down allowing the DNC to take control of America and sell it down the drain...

Hillary wasn't meant to lose... Trump won a rigged election...

America Dodged a Bullet... but its far from over..  Sad

there needs to be term limits so that the Trash can be taken out every 8 years...
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Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:49am
 
also Keep an eye on Bob Woodward

— Who Just Published Anti-Trump Book —

he's been FBI asset since 1970s... funny how they are all coming out now and exposing themselves..

all of these sleeper cells...
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Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:38am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:49am:
also Keep an eye on Bob Woodward

— Who Just Published Anti-Trump Book —

he's been FBI asset since 1970s... funny how they are all coming out now and exposing themselves..

all of these sleeper cells...


It's funny how a "truth about Trump book" is considered anti-Trump.

It means that something pro-Trump must be inherently dishonest.

Which anyone with even the most arbitrary grounding in reality knows much if not all of the claims Trump supporters make in support of Trump, including the claims Trump makes about himself are rarely 100% true.

But more on topic, given the US treatment of prisoners of war in Afghanistan it's no surprise they want nothing to do with the ICC.

What's also no surprise is we're back to defending Trump by attacking someone else's character while spinning a yarn of conspiracy to boot.

The same thing over and over...
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Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:04am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:38am:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:49am:
also Keep an eye on Bob Woodward

— Who Just Published Anti-Trump Book —

he's been FBI asset since 1970s... funny how they are all coming out now and exposing themselves..

all of these sleeper cells...


It's funny how a "truth about Trump book" is considered anti-Trump.

It means that something pro-Trump must be inherently dishonest.

Which anyone with even the most arbitrary grounding in reality knows much if not all of the claims Trump supporters make in support of Trump, including the claims Trump makes about himself are rarely 100% true.

But more on topic, given the US treatment of prisoners of war in Afghanistan it's no surprise they want nothing to do with the ICC.

What's also no surprise is we're back to defending Trump by attacking someone else's character while spinning a yarn of conspiracy to boot.

The same thing over and over...



There are all kinds of problems with the ICC and frankly, I dont support it. War Crimes tribunals have historically been run by the victors in a war eg Nuremburg. I'm not sure how that is ever going to effectively change.
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Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 1:09pm
 
Richdude wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:05am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:26pm:
Bolton's covering his arse over the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Yep, Mr Trump said it: drain the swamp, no?


The President should never have employed Bolton - a neo-con. Has blood on his hands from 9/11 and a total madman.

Steve Pieczenic - always a straight shooter.




Mr Trump doesn't care about that, Rich. It's Bolton's moustache that gets him.

He can't stand the way Bolton looks on TV, you see.
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Reply #11 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:57pm
 
Well, I was under the impression that the ICC could only investigate if invited to investigate and charge perpetrators by the nation where the crimes were committed?

I was also under the impression that the US hadn't signed up to the Convention on the ICC and had been, over the last decade, quietly strongarming other nations to not sign up to the Convention.  Is that wrong?

Seems to be like Bolton is running a smokescreen for Trump.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:06pm
 
I hope Australia does the same. The UN is a joke.
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Reply #13 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Well, I was under the impression that the ICC could only investigate if invited to investigate and charge perpetrators by the nation where the crimes were committed?

I was also under the impression that the US hadn't signed up to the Convention on the ICC and had been, over the last decade, quietly strongarming other nations to not sign up to the Convention.  Is that wrong?

Seems to be like Bolton is running a smokescreen for Trump.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

The ICC is intended to complement existing national judicial systems and it may therefore only exercise its jurisdiction when certain conditions are met, such as when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals or when the United Nations Security Council or individual states refer situations to the Court.


So in other words, it would hardly be likely to even investigate the US.
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Reply #14 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:20pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:17pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Well, I was under the impression that the ICC could only investigate if invited to investigate and charge perpetrators by the nation where the crimes were committed?

I was also under the impression that the US hadn't signed up to the Convention on the ICC and had been, over the last decade, quietly strongarming other nations to not sign up to the Convention.  Is that wrong?

Seems to be like Bolton is running a smokescreen for Trump.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

The ICC is intended to complement existing national judicial systems and it may therefore only exercise its jurisdiction when certain conditions are met, such as when national courts are unwilling or unable to prosecute criminals or when the United Nations Security Council or individual states refer situations to the Court.


So in other words, it would hardly be likely to even investigate the US.



I think the problem for USA (and many others) is that is is allowing another non-national body to have legal jurisdiction over alleged war crimes committed by its troops. It all sounds okay until you remember that if push comes to shove, most nations will simply refuse to hand them over even if indicted. National sovereignty trumps all other considerations. All it can ever be is a voluntary body where war criminals can be prosecuted... as long as everyone agrees.

it is all very problematic.
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