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Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Mark Knight nails it with cartoon of Tennis Brat Serena Williams...

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Herald Sun cartoonist Mark Knight has been slammed online for his depiction of Serena Williams at the US Open final.

The cartoon, published yesterday, has been widely criticised as “racist” and “vile” by The Washington Post, Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, rapper Nicki Minaj and Australian comedian Eddie Perfect, amongst others.

“They are wrong,” Neil Mitchell said.

“I will say when I looked at the cartoon, it didn’t even cross my mind it was meant to be racially offensive.

“It was a sports bully, throwing a tantrum.”

Mark Knight told Neil he never expected this to happen.

“The world’s gone crazy,” he said.

“It’s a cartoon about poor behaviour.

“It’s nothing to do with race.

“I drew this cartoon on Monday night, I saw the world’s greatest tennis player spit the dummy.

“She’s great to draw, she’s a powerful figure, she’s strongly built.

“I’m sorry it’s been taken by social media and distorted so much.

“I’ve tried to reply to these people but they don’t listen.”


True Racism is being lost because of these self entitled arsewipes putting on FAKE OUTRAGE and calling everyone Racist who disagrees with them or points out their deplorable behaviour...

the sooner Williams retires the better...
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Reply #1 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:59am
 
I heard a snipit of sport radio this morning and the lady who won feels like she needs to apologise for winning. That is disgusting.
And what has serenas kid got to do with a tennis match???

Serena should be stood down immediately.
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Reply #2 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 10:11am
 
The cartoon, published yesterday, has been widely criticised as “racist” and “vile” by The Washington Post, Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, rapper Nicki Minaj and Australian comedian Eddie Perfect, amongst others.



Is she dark skinned?   Yep


Does she have frizzy hair ?  Yep


Does she have a big mouth?  Yep


Is she large and muscular?  Yep


Did she chuck a dummy spit?  Yep



In other words, an accurate portrayal within the cartoon


So what's the problem?


Is the problem that the cartoon is entirely accurate?  Sounds like it


Too bad, eh
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Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
No...a white man drew a picture of a black woman.
That's racist.

Grin


Wonder if the Asian winner thinks her drawing is racist?
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Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:35am
 
OK let's sort this out.

While the  image is reminiscent of the overtly racist cartoons from a bygone era,  it's also in the characture style commonly used in newspapers.

Charactures typically exaggerate ones features and a rarely flattering.

To know if this cartoon is racist you'd have to find out the intent from the artist.
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Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:45am
 
Gordon wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:35am:
OK let's sort this out.

While the  image is reminiscent of the overtly racist cartoons from a bygone era,  it's also in the characture style commonly used in newspapers.

Charactures typically exaggerate ones features and a rarely flattering.

To know if this cartoon is racist you'd have to find out the intent from the artist.



Surely, it's perception which is key

Place the cartoon and press-photos of the creature's dummy-spit, threatening demeanor, finger pointing, etc. side by side

and most fair minded persons would agree the cartoon is close to a flattering rendition of the creature
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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
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Now that's racist..... apart from no bones through the nose.... sophisticated Niqqer - got a ring...
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He might end up before the Human Rights Commission like the cartoonist Bill Leak.

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Bill Leak 'singled out' for racial discrimination investigation after cartoon prompts complaints


Cartoonist Bill Leak says it is "absurd" he has been accused of being racist and that he is being investigated by the Human Rights Commission over a cartoon portraying an Aboriginal father and son.

Leak and The Australian newspaper are being investigated for breaching section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act after the paper published his cartoon that depicted an Aboriginal man holding a beer can and unable to remember his son's name.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-20/bill-leak-singled-out-for-racial-discrimin...

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Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 11:05am:
No...a white man drew a picture of a black woman.
That's racist.

Grin


Wonder if the Asian winner thinks her drawing is racist?



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Reply #10 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
I think it's absolutely delightful that this cartoonist does not try to depict all women as sex objects.
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Reply #11 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:14pm
 
The racist card is over used and almost meaningless now, it's not used to identify racism but a card to be pulled when you don't have a coherent rebuttal.  It also gives the user a sugar rush of smug, a nice side effect from virtue signaling.
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Reply #12 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm
 
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.
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Reply #13 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:36pm
 
Gees, it's not like he's shoving her in a gas chamber and throwing her in an oven afterwards, is he?
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Only white people can be racist.

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Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:43pm
 
Valkie wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
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Reply #16 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:52pm
 
White people steal Australia.
Black people steal the Media.

It's called 'Fair Trade Agreement'.

So of course the picture is 'Racist'.
No white people have the right to exhibit any expression that might 'degrade' a black person, via the Media.

The picture should have shown Ms Williams the poor victim hung on a cross by the evil nazi white umpire whose background check would prove he was a paedophile as well.

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Reply #17 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:11pm
 
I wonder if Mark had drawn a picture of a larger white tennis player having a hizzy fit..jumping on her racket.

he would have been called a racist Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

hands up all those who think that would be possible!


this is where words like 'Racist 'loses its  true meaning.. Sad Sad
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Reply #18 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 2:30pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Only white people can be racist.

Only black people are discriminated against

Only muzzos are treated badly




Quite, anyone with a brain want to comment?



Bloody oath he's SPOTT ON ! Wink Wink
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Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 6:22pm
 
The definition of "racist" in the United States: Any criticism of a black person by a non-black person.
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Check out this article on the ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-11/serena-williams-cartoon-us-open-naomi-osaka-blackface/10230122

It's like something you would expect from Brian Ross - what happens if a person is trained to see racism everywhere they look. Apparently the picture of the Japanese player is also offensive because she looks like a petit white woman. I reckon if the author saw a picture of brown dog crap in the paper they would make it racist.
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Reply #21 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:16pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
White people steal Australia.
Black people steal the Media.

It's called 'Fair Trade Agreement'.

So of course the picture is 'Racist'.
No white people have the right to exhibit any expression that might 'degrade' a black person, via the Media.

The picture should have shown Ms Williams the poor victim hung on a cross by the evil nazi white umpire whose background check would prove he was a paedophile as well.



I feel sorry for the race of people destroyed in a mass genocide by the new Australian aboriginals.
They didn't get a chance, just simply wiped out.

Funny
I think it's called karma.
They kill off a race
And they get taken over

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Reply #22 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Check out this article on the ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-11/serena-williams-cartoon-us-open-naomi-osaka-blackface/10230122

It's like something you would expect from Brian Ross - what happens if a person is trained to see racism everywhere they look. Apparently the picture of the Japanese player is also offensive because she looks like a petit white woman. I reckon if the author saw a picture of brown dog crap in the paper they would make it racist.


He has drawn Williams far lighter (in colour) than she actually is...and he did an accurate job on the Jap/Haitian....even down to the bottle blonde bit.
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Could have been worse, he could have drawn a rear view.......without exaggerating her big fat bleck arse...............now that would have been cruel........to the viewer.....
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J.K. Rowling... pfft...

Virtue Signalling moron of the week...  Roll Eyes

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Best cartoon in ages - so funny.

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Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:34pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Check out this article on the ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-11/serena-williams-cartoon-us-open-naomi-osaka-blackface/10230122

It's like something you would expect from Brian Ross - what happens if a person is trained to see racism everywhere they look. Apparently the picture of the Japanese player is also offensive because she looks like a petit white woman. I reckon if the author saw a picture of brown dog crap in the paper they would make it racist.



Bwahahahaha.

I was close...... Grin
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Reply #27 - Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Check out this article on the ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-11/serena-williams-cartoon-us-open-naomi-osaka-blackface/10230122

It's like something you would expect from Brian Ross - what happens if a person is trained to see racism everywhere they look. Apparently the picture of the Japanese player is also offensive because she looks like a petit white woman. I reckon if the author saw a picture of brown dog crap in the paper they would make it racist.


He has drawn Williams far lighter (in colour) than she actually is...and he did an accurate job on the Jap/Haitian....even down to the bottle blonde bit.



What?
Are you color blind??
Osaka is one shade lighter than williams in skin tone. So if that's the case, he got the color right.
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 8:08pm:
J.K. Rowling... pfft...

Virtue Signalling moron of the week...  Roll Eyes


The first thing I thought of when I saw Joanne's name there was "WTF does she have to do with this? Is there some book launch going on in the continent of Africa for black Harry Potter?"
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Reply #29 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 8:41am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:22pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Check out this article on the ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-11/serena-williams-cartoon-us-open-naomi-osaka-blackface/10230122

It's like something you would expect from Brian Ross - what happens if a person is trained to see racism everywhere they look. Apparently the picture of the Japanese player is also offensive because she looks like a petit white woman. I reckon if the author saw a picture of brown dog crap in the paper they would make it racist.


He has drawn Williams far lighter (in colour) than she actually is...and he did an accurate job on the Jap/Haitian....even down to the bottle blonde bit.



What?
Are you color blind??
Osaka is one shade lighter than williams in skin tone. So if that's the case, he got the color right.


No.  Read what I posted again.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.


You don't know it, but you actually hit the nail on the head.

bad behaviour = negro carricature
good behaviour = misrepresent the black woman as 'white'
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Of course it is racist. They used a WHITE pacifier.
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The Herald Sun spits the dummy. Hypocrisy?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:40pm:
Only white people can be racist.

Only black people are discriminated against

Only muzzos are treated badly




Quite, anyone with a brain want to comment?


That leaves you out in the cold then ey?  Roll Eyes
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Naomi Osaka is half Negro.

So Serena was beaten by another "black" woman ... a Japanese black woman.

Osaka is just a shade lighter than Williams.
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Here's another of Serenas problems.  Grin
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Gnads wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 12:16pm:
Here's another of Serenas problems.  Grin


I’ve always suspected as much..  Grin

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too right mechanic - and by that we mean when they were all white.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 10:48am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.


You don't know it, but you actually hit the nail on the head.

bad behaviour = negro carricature
good behaviour = misrepresent the black woman as 'white'


Can you turn this into a coherent point Gandalf, or will you stick to impersonating Jasin?

Is it wrong to portray negroes as negroes? Can negroes even exist, given your insistence that races do not exist?
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Reply #39 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 10:48am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.


You don't know it, but you actually hit the nail on the head.

bad behaviour = negro carricature
good behaviour = misrepresent the black woman as 'white'


Can you turn this into a coherent point Gandalf, or will you stick to impersonating Jasin?

Is it wrong to portray negroes as negroes? Can negroes even exist, given your insistence that races do not exist?


He didn't portray negroes as negroes FD - thats the point - at least not the one that was behaving. Osaka is half negro, and if you've ever seen her in the flesh, is pretty much as black as Serena. She also has a similar build. Yet in the cartoon she is portrayed as the "anti-Serena" - whicn in this racialised theme means pulling out the 'pretty white petite blonde' caricature. Even caveman acknowledges that Osaka is portrayed inaccurately - clearly to be depicted as "less negro" (eg frizzy hair becomes straight) than she is in reality. Depicting such a contrast between the two women (who in reality are similar tone and build) - as a clear mataphor for their respective behaviours - is why I think this is racist. Personally I would have a hard time in declaring it as racist if it was just a caricature of Serena alone - though I do accept the issues that black people in America themselves have with it, given the history of such caricatures. 
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 10:48am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.


You don't know it, but you actually hit the nail on the head.

bad behaviour = negro carricature
good behaviour = misrepresent the black woman as 'white'


Here she is...and the cartoon was a fair copy of the photo....including the hair.

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Reply #41 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:42pm
 
Her hair is as frizzy as Serena's, yet Knight depicts it as the complete opposite of Serena's. Also they seem to be almost the same size, yet again in the cartoon Serena is a giant overweight beast (even managing to depict her arse from a front view - quite an achievement), while Osaka is petite and thin as a bean pole:

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The cartoon shows her hair honestly.  It is like knotted hair in the cartoon.  The Jap is half the size (at least) of Serena.  Further, in the cartoon, she is in the background, depicted as nowhere near white and the Jap feature highlighted.

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Reply #43 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:17pm
 
You may want to get your eyesight tested Aussie. Naomi's (and please don't call her "the Jap" - you need to learn your offensive racist terms) hair in the cartoon reaches beyond her shoulders, whereas in reality it barely reaches her neck. And it is nowhere near 'knotted' in the cartoon - he couldn't have depicted it any more straighter.
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You may want to get your eyesight tested Aussie. Naomi's (and please don't call her "the Jap" - you need to learn your offensive racist terms) hair in the cartoon reaches beyond her shoulders, whereas in reality it barely reaches her neck. And it is nowhere near 'knotted' in the cartoon - he couldn't have depicted it any more straighter.


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Will you settle for 'dreadlocks?'  It is not straight.  Yes, he has made it longer....not sure that was deliberate, more likely "I am not doing a portrait, I am doing a cartoon."  Last I heard when an Australian refers to a person  from Japan, they call them a Jap.  WTF is offensive about that?
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Reply #46 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:33pm
 
There is a danger of reading far more into this stuff than is there or meant to be there.  Your own prejudices project where they have no place.

It is a cartoonist depicting Serena having a massive dummy spit, with the sideshow of the Champ and the Umpire making the picture complete to identify time and place but they are way in the background.....almost irrelevant.
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Reply #47 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:43pm
 
Allright...this is getting stupid.

IT'S A SATIRICAL CARTOON! Look up the meaning....oh stuff it I'll do it for ya's.

CARTOON

a simple drawing showing the features of its subjects in a humorously exaggerated way, especially a satirical one in a newspaper or magazine.

SATIRICAL

sarcastic, critical, and mocking another's weaknesses.


Now get over it! Grow up ffs. It's like the world is full of bloody 2yr olds.




So inessense there is no true representation of the subject in a satirical cartoon.....or any cartoon for that matter.
When is the last time you saw a rabbit walking around like a human, suckin on a carrot asking you "what's up" or a tasmanian devil standing the same way only this time spinning at tornado speeds destroying everything in its path?
Never! 
There's no depicting. It's an artists scetch done in a couple of hrs. Look at all the other scetches. If anything it reminds me of the old footrot flats cartoon comics. The satirical cartoons in the paper get a quick glance, bring a smirk to your face or giggle inside and that's it. TURN THE PAGE AND FORGET!
Just because some sore loser from the US that happens to have dark skin arcs up about it, all the CNN type people would be behind her trying to provoke argument within the peasants. I bet CNN is one of the main instigators...and I don't even need to look it up....it's as obvious as the sun gives light.
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Reply #48 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:51pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
Will you settle for 'dreadlocks?'  It is not straight.  Yes, he has made it longer....not sure that was deliberate, more likely "I am not doing a portrait, I am doing a cartoon."  Last I heard when an Australian refers to a person  from Japan, they call them a Jap.  WTF is offensive about that?



Nothing at all.
We have a wreckers up here called Jap spares.
Then there is Jap imports.
And we have all heard the term Jap crap.

Gook, Sloap head, Chinga. They're offensive....to japs.



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Reply #49 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:24pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Mark Knight nails it with cartoon of Tennis Brat Serena Williams...

https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg

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Herald Sun cartoonist Mark Knight has been slammed online for his depiction of Serena Williams at the US Open final.

The cartoon, published yesterday, has been widely criticised as “racist” and “vile” by The Washington Post, Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, rapper Nicki Minaj and Australian comedian Eddie Perfect, amongst others.

“They are wrong,” Neil Mitchell said.

“I will say when I looked at the cartoon, it didn’t even cross my mind it was meant to be racially offensive.

“It was a sports bully, throwing a tantrum.”

Mark Knight told Neil he never expected this to happen.

“The world’s gone crazy,” he said.

“It’s a cartoon about poor behaviour.

“It’s nothing to do with race.

“I drew this cartoon on Monday night, I saw the world’s greatest tennis player spit the dummy.

“She’s great to draw, she’s a powerful figure, she’s strongly built.

“I’m sorry it’s been taken by social media and distorted so much.

“I’ve tried to reply to these people but they don’t listen.”


True Racism is being lost because of these self entitled arsewipes putting on FAKE OUTRAGE and calling everyone Racist who disagrees with them or points out their deplorable behaviour...

the sooner Williams retires the better...

THE CARTOON WAS RACIST: get over it buddy!

Mark Knight bugger*d up!

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Reply #50 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 10:48am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.


You don't know it, but you actually hit the nail on the head.

bad behaviour = negro carricature
good behaviour = misrepresent the black woman as 'white'


Can you turn this into a coherent point Gandalf, or will you stick to impersonating Jasin?

Is it wrong to portray negroes as negroes? Can negroes even exist, given your insistence that races do not exist?


He didn't portray negroes as negroes FD - thats the point - at least not the one that was behaving. Osaka is half negro, and if you've ever seen her in the flesh, is pretty much as black as Serena. She also has a similar build. Yet in the cartoon she is portrayed as the "anti-Serena" - whicn in this racialised theme means pulling out the 'pretty white petite blonde' caricature. Even caveman acknowledges that Osaka is portrayed inaccurately - clearly to be depicted as "less negro" (eg frizzy hair becomes straight) than she is in reality. Depicting such a contrast between the two women (who in reality are similar tone and build) - as a clear mataphor for their respective behaviours - is why I think this is racist. Personally I would have a hard time in declaring it as racist if it was just a caricature of Serena alone - though I do accept the issues that black people in America themselves have with it, given the history of such caricatures. 


Clowns like you go looking for/reading in shyte that really isn't there just like all the SJW's here & in the US ... Serena has done this shyte to other opponents who beat her who were white.

It was about Serena & her behaviour ... not her opponent.

Who by the way even went as far as saying maybe she should apologise to Williams for winning.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #51 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:42pm:
Her hair is as frizzy as Serena's, yet Knight depicts it as the complete opposite of Serena's. Also they seem to be almost the same size, yet again in the cartoon Serena is a giant overweight beast (even managing to depict her arse from a front view - quite an achievement), while Osaka is petite and thin as a bean pole:

https://media.nbcwashington.com/images/620*349/AP_182526386212292.jpg


It's dyed blonde  Roll Eyes is Osaka now guilty of racial/cultural assimilation?  Roll Eyes

Compared to Serena Osaka is much slighter .... & yes Serena has a much bigger arse.

Made look even bigger by wearing that ridiculous tutu arrangement.

She has a habit of wearing outfits that do not compliment her build.

Wake up to yourself.
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You may want to get your eyesight tested Aussie. Naomi's (and please don't call her "the Jap" - you need to learn your offensive racist terms) hair in the cartoon reaches beyond her shoulders, whereas in reality it barely reaches her neck. And it is nowhere near 'knotted' in the cartoon - he couldn't have depicted it any more straighter.


You're just a knit picker without substance.

On & on ... you've got nothing.
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Reply #53 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:43pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 5:24pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Mark Knight nails it with cartoon of Tennis Brat Serena Williams...

https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg

Quote:
Herald Sun cartoonist Mark Knight has been slammed online for his depiction of Serena Williams at the US Open final.

The cartoon, published yesterday, has been widely criticised as “racist” and “vile” by The Washington Post, Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, rapper Nicki Minaj and Australian comedian Eddie Perfect, amongst others.

“They are wrong,” Neil Mitchell said.

“I will say when I looked at the cartoon, it didn’t even cross my mind it was meant to be racially offensive.

“It was a sports bully, throwing a tantrum.”

Mark Knight told Neil he never expected this to happen.

“The world’s gone crazy,” he said.

“It’s a cartoon about poor behaviour.

“It’s nothing to do with race.

“I drew this cartoon on Monday night, I saw the world’s greatest tennis player spit the dummy.

“She’s great to draw, she’s a powerful figure, she’s strongly built.

“I’m sorry it’s been taken by social media and distorted so much.

“I’ve tried to reply to these people but they don’t listen.”


True Racism is being lost because of these self entitled arsewipes putting on FAKE OUTRAGE and calling everyone Racist who disagrees with them or points out their deplorable behaviour...

the sooner Williams retires the better...

THE CARTOON WAS RACIST: get over it buddy!

Mark Knight bugger*d up!

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Reply #54 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 10:48am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 11th, 2018 at 1:18pm:
Naomi Osaka has darker skin than that drawing depicts and her hair is frizzy, not straigt. Racist.


You don't know it, but you actually hit the nail on the head.

bad behaviour = negro carricature
good behaviour = misrepresent the black woman as 'white'


Can you turn this into a coherent point Gandalf, or will you stick to impersonating Jasin?

Is it wrong to portray negroes as negroes? Can negroes even exist, given your insistence that races do not exist?


He didn't portray negroes as negroes FD - thats the point - at least not the one that was behaving. Osaka is half negro, and if you've ever seen her in the flesh, is pretty much as black as Serena. She also has a similar build. Yet in the cartoon she is portrayed as the "anti-Serena" - whicn in this racialised theme means pulling out the 'pretty white petite blonde' caricature. Even caveman acknowledges that Osaka is portrayed inaccurately - clearly to be depicted as "less negro" (eg frizzy hair becomes straight) than she is in reality. Depicting such a contrast between the two women (who in reality are similar tone and build) - as a clear mataphor for their respective behaviours - is why I think this is racist. Personally I would have a hard time in declaring it as racist if it was just a caricature of Serena alone - though I do accept the issues that black people in America themselves have with it, given the history of such caricatures. 


She has lighter skin and blond hair Gandalf. And a slimmer build.

Exaggerating the physical differences between two people is not racist. It's no different to a cartoon exaggerating a fat and a skinny man in a cartoon when presenting them side by side.

Would you honestly have the cartoonist make it harder to distinguish the two players in case the limp wristed army decided he was equating her lighter skin and blonde hair as some kind of racial superiority?
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Reply #55 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm
 
"How is that racist?"
- White Proverb.

There is a trend within conservative media to be aggressively racist and then pretend they don’t understand why people are calling them racist.

It’s a vicious cycle of faux self-victimisation – being offensive, feigning ignorance while completely ignoring the nature of the criticism given, then doubling down by whinging about being the victims, and complaining about the ‘Left’ and ‘PC gone mad’.

Now we have the Herald Sun coming to the defence of the racist cartoon by Mark Knight where he drew a stereotypically racist depiction of Serena Williams and whitewashed both her opponent, Naomi Osaka, who is Japanese and Haitian, and the official Carlos Ramos who is Portugese.

It’s almost as if Australian audiences wouldn’t be able to identify who they are meant to be for or against if none of them were white…

The defence of the cartoon is basically that it was about her behaviour and ‘had nothing to do with race or gender’.

Not only did the defence completely ignore the discussions of the double standards placed on women in sport, and specifically on Serena Williams, it also completely side-stepped the commentary from US media that rightly pointed out how the actual cartoon itself used imagery reminiscent of the Jim Crow era.

"In doing so, Knight draws facial features reflecting the dehumanizing Jim Crow caricatures so common in the 19th and 20th centuries. Knight’s cartoon conjures up a range of such caricatures that were branded on memorabilia and popularized on stage and screen of the era, including the minstrel-show character Topsy born out of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” as well as the title character in 1899’s “Little Black Sambo.”” wrote Michael Cavna for the Washington Post.

It’s safe to bet that none of the people defending Mark Knight will address, or even acknowledge, these points either. If anyone does though, they will probably try the ‘Hey Hey It’s Saturday’ defence of pretending that Australia does not have a history with any of these issues, as though Australia doesn’t have its own long history with blackface and other racist caricatures, but also as though it had never even heard about America until it was discovered by Crocodile Dundee in 1986.

Defenders of Hey Hey played that card, rather unsuccessfully, back in 2009 after an angry and bewildered Harry Connick Jr had to call it out as being racist during their short-lived attempt to revitalise the show. Since then it has been a regular mainstay of Australian media every time someone decides to go to a costume party in blackface. This is usually not done to address the issue though, it’s just that Australian media has learnt there are guaranteed clicks in it.

The cries of ‘out of touch leftists’ and ‘PC gone mad’ used to ignore the reality that it is usually People Of Colour, and most notably Women Of Colour, who are actually doing the hard work of calling out these issues in the face of countless abuse from the white left and white right alike, until some middle aged white guy takes their arguments and writes them is a flowery op-ed which he receives countless accolades for. There are countless examples of this throughout history, and currently, but check out @RubyHamad’s feed on Twitter on any given day if you need an example of white men getting acclaim for her work, or for the abuse she suffers as a result of the work she does. 

This is the power of racism in Australia.

The power to rewrite the narrative. The power to ignore the real victims of racism and pretend the racists are the victims. The power to ignore and demonise the voices of those with lived experience and frame them as not existing or being irrelevant. The power to have panel after panel of white people saying that nothing is about race, not even racism.

The power to have voices stolen by well-meaning white allies who are perceived as genius voices of reason while those who do the actual intellectual labour get abused from both sides for their efforts, but who continue to do it anyway because it is anything but an intellectual exercise or a media ploy.
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Reply #56 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:20pm
 
Raven wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
Now we have the Herald Sun coming to the defence of the racist cartoon by Mark Knight where he drew a stereotypically racist depiction of Serena Williams and whitewashed both her opponent, Naomi Osaka, who is Japanese and Haitian, and the official Carlos Ramos who is Portugese.



Yeah. he should have drawn her as a size 8 white woman. /sarc.
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Reply #57 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:30pm
 
Raven wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
"How is that racist?"
- White Proverb.

There is a trend within conservative media to be aggressively racist and then pretend they don’t understand why people are calling them racist.

It’s a vicious cycle of faux self-victimisation – being offensive, feigning ignorance while completely ignoring the nature of the criticism given, then doubling down by whinging about being the victims, and complaining about the ‘Left’ and ‘PC gone mad’.

Now we have the Herald Sun coming to the defence of the racist cartoon by Mark Knight where he drew a stereotypically racist depiction of Serena Williams and whitewashed both her opponent, Naomi Osaka, who is Japanese and Haitian, and the official Carlos Ramos who is Portugese.

It’s almost as if Australian audiences wouldn’t be able to identify who they are meant to be for or against if none of them were white…

The defence of the cartoon is basically that it was about her behaviour and ‘had nothing to do with race or gender’.

Not only did the defence completely ignore the discussions of the double standards placed on women in sport, and specifically on Serena Williams, it also completely side-stepped the commentary from US media that rightly pointed out how the actual cartoon itself used imagery reminiscent of the Jim Crow era.

"In doing so, Knight draws facial features reflecting the dehumanizing Jim Crow caricatures so common in the 19th and 20th centuries. Knight’s cartoon conjures up a range of such caricatures that were branded on memorabilia and popularized on stage and screen of the era, including the minstrel-show character Topsy born out of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” as well as the title character in 1899’s “Little Black Sambo.”” wrote Michael Cavna for the Washington Post.

It’s safe to bet that none of the people defending Mark Knight will address, or even acknowledge, these points either. If anyone does though, they will probably try the ‘Hey Hey It’s Saturday’ defence of pretending that Australia does not have a history with any of these issues, as though Australia doesn’t have its own long history with blackface and other racist caricatures, but also as though it had never even heard about America until it was discovered by Crocodile Dundee in 1986.

Defenders of Hey Hey played that card, rather unsuccessfully, back in 2009 after an angry and bewildered Harry Connick Jr had to call it out as being racist during their short-lived attempt to revitalise the show. Since then it has been a regular mainstay of Australian media every time someone decides to go to a costume party in blackface. This is usually not done to address the issue though, it’s just that Australian media has learnt there are guaranteed clicks in it.

The cries of ‘out of touch leftists’ and ‘PC gone mad’ used to ignore the reality that it is usually People Of Colour, and most notably Women Of Colour, who are actually doing the hard work of calling out these issues in the face of countless abuse from the white left and white right alike, until some middle aged white guy takes their arguments and writes them is a flowery op-ed which he receives countless accolades for. There are countless examples of this throughout history, and currently, but check out @RubyHamad’s feed on Twitter on any given day if you need an example of white men getting acclaim for her work, or for the abuse she suffers as a result of the work she does. 

This is the power of racism in Australia.

The power to rewrite the narrative. The power to ignore the real victims of racism and pretend the racists are the victims. The power to ignore and demonise the voices of those with lived experience and frame them as not existing or being irrelevant. The power to have panel after panel of white people saying that nothing is about race, not even racism.

The power to have voices stolen by well-meaning white allies who are perceived as genius voices of reason while those who do the actual intellectual labour get abused from both sides for their efforts, but who continue to do it anyway because it is anything but an intellectual exercise or a media ploy.


Raven, you are usually exemplary.  Why plagiarise?

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Reply #58 - Sep 12th, 2018 at 8:59pm
 
Raven wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
"How is that racist?"
- White Proverb.

There is a trend within conservative media to be aggressively racist and then pretend they don’t understand why people are calling them racist.

It’s a vicious cycle of faux self-victimisation – being offensive, feigning ignorance while completely ignoring the nature of the criticism given, then doubling down by whinging about being the victims, and complaining about the ‘Left’ and ‘PC gone mad’.

Now we have the Herald Sun coming to the defence of the racist cartoon by Mark Knight where he drew a stereotypically racist depiction of Serena Williams and whitewashed both her opponent, Naomi Osaka, who is Japanese and Haitian, and the official Carlos Ramos who is Portugese.

It’s almost as if Australian audiences wouldn’t be able to identify who they are meant to be for or against if none of them were white…

The defence of the cartoon is basically that it was about her behaviour and ‘had nothing to do with race or gender’.

Not only did the defence completely ignore the discussions of the double standards placed on women in sport, and specifically on Serena Williams, it also completely side-stepped the commentary from US media that rightly pointed out how the actual cartoon itself used imagery reminiscent of the Jim Crow era.

"In doing so, Knight draws facial features reflecting the dehumanizing Jim Crow caricatures so common in the 19th and 20th centuries. Knight’s cartoon conjures up a range of such caricatures that were branded on memorabilia and popularized on stage and screen of the era, including the minstrel-show character Topsy born out of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” as well as the title character in 1899’s “Little Black Sambo.”” wrote Michael Cavna for the Washington Post.

It’s safe to bet that none of the people defending Mark Knight will address, or even acknowledge, these points either. If anyone does though, they will probably try the ‘Hey Hey It’s Saturday’ defence of pretending that Australia does not have a history with any of these issues, as though Australia doesn’t have its own long history with blackface and other racist caricatures, but also as though it had never even heard about America until it was discovered by Crocodile Dundee in 1986.

Defenders of Hey Hey played that card, rather unsuccessfully, back in 2009 after an angry and bewildered Harry Connick Jr had to call it out as being racist during their short-lived attempt to revitalise the show. Since then it has been a regular mainstay of Australian media every time someone decides to go to a costume party in blackface. This is usually not done to address the issue though, it’s just that Australian media has learnt there are guaranteed clicks in it.

The cries of ‘out of touch leftists’ and ‘PC gone mad’ used to ignore the reality that it is usually People Of Colour, and most notably Women Of Colour, who are actually doing the hard work of calling out these issues in the face of countless abuse from the white left and white right alike, until some middle aged white guy takes their arguments and writes them is a flowery op-ed which he receives countless accolades for. There are countless examples of this throughout history, and currently, but check out @RubyHamad’s feed on Twitter on any given day if you need an example of white men getting acclaim for her work, or for the abuse she suffers as a result of the work she does. 

This is the power of racism in Australia.

The power to rewrite the narrative. The power to ignore the real victims of racism and pretend the racists are the victims. The power to ignore and demonise the voices of those with lived experience and frame them as not existing or being irrelevant. The power to have panel after panel of white people saying that nothing is about race, not even racism.

The power to have voices stolen by well-meaning white allies who are perceived as genius voices of reason while those who do the actual intellectual labour get abused from both sides for their efforts, but who continue to do it anyway because it is anything but an intellectual exercise or a media ploy.


Raven, caricatures exaggerate physical features. That does not make it racism, any more than acknowledging the colour of her skin is racist.
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I wish Serena would piss off somewhere. I'm sick of whinging black people. It's really boring.
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With all this special pleading about race and gender, there should be more scrutiny of claims of racism and sexism, not less.

Racism and sexism are the new hiding places of scoundrels.
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False accusations of racism empower racists. Racism is becoming a meaningless term.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 3:29pm:
Will you settle for 'dreadlocks?'  It is not straight.  Yes, he has made it longer....not sure that was deliberate, more likely "I am not doing a portrait, I am doing a cartoon."  Last I heard when an Australian refers to a person  from Japan, they call them a Jap.  WTF is offensive about that?


WTF is offensive about calling someone from Niger or Nigeria or descended from, a Nig? An aboriginal an Abo? Chinese a Chink? What if there is a Nip in the air with a Chink in their armour, show us your wisdom... Why are you so butt hurt about some and not about others? Personally I couldn't give a rat's about any of them you albino neanderthal.

Edit: She does't get butt hurt about it but my DiL would rather be called Nihonese than Japanese.
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freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 9:12pm:
False accusations of racism empower racists. Racism is becoming a meaningless term.



Been commenting on the dilution of the meaning of words for a long time now.... started with the dopey and selfish sheilas with their 'oppression' and 'violence' and such - now we've got fools and apologists telling us that Muslims here are oppressed since they are forced to live better without fear and have every opportunity open to them they could never have dreamed off 'back home' and it's all our fault that some of them go out and deliberately kill innocents in the name of their god... now you can't even draw a spade a spade.....

Remember that Japanese POW on board the USS Squalus?  Started off terrified, and the cooks had to force chicken and chips etc on him... ended up wanting to be part of the crew instead of trying to sink the boat.

The real racists are those who run around throwing the word around without reason.
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Exaggerating the physical differences between two people is not racist.


Actually it can be - if the contrast serves to depict one as a hysterical beast, and one as a delightful little flower. And I'm not saying the depicted contrast in behaviours didn't reflect the reality of the situation (Williams was clearly being a brat, while Osaka was the complete opposite) - but it is offenive, and yes racist to so blatantly depict this contrast through the use of racial caricatures. The contrasting hair best illustrates this - both have hair as frizzy as each other (check the photos again if you don't believe me), yet Osaka is clearly depicted with long straight hair - you know, like a typical white blond girl.
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What a total load of cods wallops Gandalf

Was anyone complaining when cartoons of Donald Trump done in  the same vein countless times ? They haven't raised a single eyebrow

Nor should they, it is a cartoonist's mantra to lampoon society, to highlight the stupidity of the human race

Mark Knight has done that brilliantly, depicting someone whom when you scratch the surface is a screaming diva

William's coach admitted to coaching from the sidelines but Serena would have none of it and took huge offense at being 'caught'

She deserved everything she got and Knight's cartoon sums up  her rant admirably


Like I have said, if it was a cartoon of Nick Kyrios there wouldn't have been a ripple on the water

We seem to be entering a period where women can't take fair criticism and turn any slight into something political

And that is Crap with a Capital 'C"
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From Raven's article:

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It’s almost as if Australian audiences wouldn’t be able to identify who they are meant to be for or against if none of them were white…


nailed it in one.

Osaka couldn't be the "good guy" in that cartoon if her physical features had merely been "exaggerated" in a way consistent with the way Williams was portrayed - instead of transforming her into something she is clearly not.

freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 8:59pm:
caricatures exaggerate physical features.


Such a shame that "exaggerating the physical features" of a misbehaving black woman necessarily transforms her into a Jim Crowe hideous beast.
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freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Exaggerating the physical differences between two people is not racist.


Actually it can be - if the contrast serves to depict one as a hysterical beast, and one as a delightful little flower. And I'm not saying the depicted contrast in behaviours didn't reflect the reality of the situation (Williams was clearly being a brat, while Osaka was the complete opposite) - but it is offenive, and yes racist to so blatantly depict this contrast through the use of racial caricatures. The contrasting hair best illustrates this - both have hair as frizzy as each other (check the photos again if you don't believe me), yet Osaka is clearly depicted with long straight hair - you know, like a typical white blond girl.


Yeah - there is zero entitlement to view a hysterical beast as a hysterical beast.....  (yardle)....

I doubt Osaka's hair was much in the mind of the cartoonist at the time... most Whale-stabbers have straight hair...
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red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:50am:
What a total load of cods wallops Gandalf

Was anyone complaining when cartoons of Donald Trump done in  the same vein countless times ? They haven't raised a single eyebrow

Nor should they, it is a cartoonist's mantra to lampoon society, to highlight the stupidity of the human race

Mark Knight has done that brilliantly, depicting someone whom when you scratch the surface is a screaming diva

William's coach admitted to coaching from the sidelines but Serena would have none of it and took huge offense at being 'caught'

She deserved everything she got and Knight's cartoon sums up  her rant admirably


Like I have said, if it was a cartoon of Nick Kyrios there wouldn't have been a ripple on the water

We seem to be entering a period where women can't take fair criticism and turn any slight into something political

And that is Crap with a Capital 'C"


I have no problem being inconsistent on this baron. Caricatures of Donald Trump aren't following a long and deeply traumatic history from which cartoons eerily similar to Knight's were used as powerful propaganda tools to enable and sustain systemic persecution and discrimination of an entire racial minority. Making fun of Trump's ridiculous hair is not ridiculing any race. Intentionally or not, Knight has recreated, with quite remarkable accuracy, the classic Jim Crowe era caricature that epitomised the demonization of African Americans during the deeply damaging racial segregation era in America. It rekindles a hurt that people outside America can't really understand - which is why this thing didn't really blow up until it reached American audiences.

I think most reasonable people would be happily inconsistent on this - Trump and most politicians are fair game, if we can avoid racial stereotypes. But consider how likely it would be a cartoonist depicting a jew with stereotypical racial features - even if he really did have a hooked nose. You and I both know it would never happen, and most people would be fine with that inconsistency. You might not be, but I'd wager that most of the people defending the Knight cartoon would draw the line at a jewish caricature - even if it just, as FD would say, merely "exaggerated the physical features" to a tee.
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Raven wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 7:07pm:
"How is that racist?"
- White Proverb.

There is a trend within conservative media to be aggressively racist and then pretend they don’t understand why people are calling them racist.

It’s a vicious cycle of faux self-victimisation – being offensive, feigning ignorance while completely ignoring the nature of the criticism given, then doubling down by whinging about being the victims, and complaining about the ‘Left’ and ‘PC gone mad’.

Now we have the Herald Sun coming to the defence of the racist cartoon by Mark Knight where he drew a stereotypically racist depiction of Serena Williams and whitewashed both her opponent, Naomi Osaka, who is Japanese and Haitian, and the official Carlos Ramos who is Portugese.

It’s almost as if Australian audiences wouldn’t be able to identify who they are meant to be for or against if none of them were white…

The defence of the cartoon is basically that it was about her behaviour and ‘had nothing to do with race or gender’.

Not only did the defence completely ignore the discussions of the double standards placed on women in sport, and specifically on Serena Williams, it also completely side-stepped the commentary from US media that rightly pointed out how the actual cartoon itself used imagery reminiscent of the Jim Crow era.

"In doing so, Knight draws facial features reflecting the dehumanizing Jim Crow caricatures so common in the 19th and 20th centuries. Knight’s cartoon conjures up a range of such caricatures that were branded on memorabilia and popularized on stage and screen of the era, including the minstrel-show character Topsy born out of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” as well as the title character in 1899’s “Little Black Sambo.”” wrote Michael Cavna for the Washington Post.

It’s safe to bet that none of the people defending Mark Knight will address, or even acknowledge, these points either. If anyone does though, they will probably try the ‘Hey Hey It’s Saturday’ defence of pretending that Australia does not have a history with any of these issues, as though Australia doesn’t have its own long history with blackface and other racist caricatures, but also as though it had never even heard about America until it was discovered by Crocodile Dundee in 1986.

Defenders of Hey Hey played that card, rather unsuccessfully, back in 2009 after an angry and bewildered Harry Connick Jr had to call it out as being racist during their short-lived attempt to revitalise the show. Since then it has been a regular mainstay of Australian media every time someone decides to go to a costume party in blackface. This is usually not done to address the issue though, it’s just that Australian media has learnt there are guaranteed clicks in it.

The cries of ‘out of touch leftists’ and ‘PC gone mad’ used to ignore the reality that it is usually People Of Colour, and most notably Women Of Colour, who are actually doing the hard work of calling out these issues in the face of countless abuse from the white left and white right alike, until some middle aged white guy takes their arguments and writes them is a flowery op-ed which he receives countless accolades for. There are countless examples of this throughout history, and currently, but check out @RubyHamad’s feed on Twitter on any given day if you need an example of white men getting acclaim for her work, or for the abuse she suffers as a result of the work she does. 

This is the power of racism in Australia.

The power to rewrite the narrative. The power to ignore the real victims of racism and pretend the racists are the victims. The power to ignore and demonise the voices of those with lived experience and frame them as not existing or being irrelevant. The power to have panel after panel of white people saying that nothing is about race, not even racism.

The power to have voices stolen by well-meaning white allies who are perceived as genius voices of reason while those who do the actual intellectual labour get abused from both sides for their efforts, but who continue to do it anyway because it is anything but an intellectual exercise or a media ploy.


Further reinforcement of bollocks opinion.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #71 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:03am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:10am:
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:50am:
What a total load of cods wallops Gandalf

Was anyone complaining when cartoons of Donald Trump done in  the same vein countless times ? They haven't raised a single eyebrow

Nor should they, it is a cartoonist's mantra to lampoon society, to highlight the stupidity of the human race

Mark Knight has done that brilliantly, depicting someone whom when you scratch the surface is a screaming diva

William's coach admitted to coaching from the sidelines but Serena would have none of it and took huge offense at being 'caught'

She deserved everything she got and Knight's cartoon sums up  her rant admirably


Like I have said, if it was a cartoon of Nick Kyrios there wouldn't have been a ripple on the water

We seem to be entering a period where women can't take fair criticism and turn any slight into something political

And that is Crap with a Capital 'C"


I have no problem being inconsistent on this baron. Caricatures of Donald Trump aren't following a long and deeply traumatic history from which cartoons eerily similar to Knight's were used as powerful propaganda tools to enable and sustain systemic persecution and discrimination of an entire racial minority. Making fun of Trump's ridiculous hair is not ridiculing any race. Intentionally or not, Knight has recreated, with quite remarkable accuracy, the classic Jim Crowe era caricature that epitomised the demonization of African Americans during the deeply damaging racial segregation era in America. It rekindles a hurt that people outside America can't really understand - which is why this thing didn't really blow up until it reached American audiences.

I think most reasonable people would be happily inconsistent on this - Trump and most politicians are fair game, if we can avoid racial stereotypes. But consider how likely it would be a cartoonist depicting a jew with stereotypical racial features - even if he really did have a hooked nose. You and I both know it would never happen, and most people would be fine with that inconsistency. You might not be, but I'd wager that most of the people defending the Knight cartoon would draw the line at a jewish caricature - even if it just, as FD would say, merely "exaggerated the physical features" to a tee.


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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Yeah - there is zero entitlement to view a hysterical beast as a hysterical beast.....  (yardle)...


You have all the entitlement in the world grappler - I believe you are even doing it now - correct?

But I think what I can say - if I follow your logic - is that there is zero entitlement to view an offensive racial caricature as an offensive racial caricature - is that correct?
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:03am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:10am:
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:50am:
What a total load of cods wallops Gandalf

Was anyone complaining when cartoons of Donald Trump done in  the same vein countless times ? They haven't raised a single eyebrow

Nor should they, it is a cartoonist's mantra to lampoon society, to highlight the stupidity of the human race

Mark Knight has done that brilliantly, depicting someone whom when you scratch the surface is a screaming diva

William's coach admitted to coaching from the sidelines but Serena would have none of it and took huge offense at being 'caught'

She deserved everything she got and Knight's cartoon sums up  her rant admirably


Like I have said, if it was a cartoon of Nick Kyrios there wouldn't have been a ripple on the water

We seem to be entering a period where women can't take fair criticism and turn any slight into something political

And that is Crap with a Capital 'C"


I have no problem being inconsistent on this baron. Caricatures of Donald Trump aren't following a long and deeply traumatic history from which cartoons eerily similar to Knight's were used as powerful propaganda tools to enable and sustain systemic persecution and discrimination of an entire racial minority. Making fun of Trump's ridiculous hair is not ridiculing any race. Intentionally or not, Knight has recreated, with quite remarkable accuracy, the classic Jim Crowe era caricature that epitomised the demonization of African Americans during the deeply damaging racial segregation era in America. It rekindles a hurt that people outside America can't really understand - which is why this thing didn't really blow up until it reached American audiences.

I think most reasonable people would be happily inconsistent on this - Trump and most politicians are fair game, if we can avoid racial stereotypes. But consider how likely it would be a cartoonist depicting a jew with stereotypical racial features - even if he really did have a hooked nose. You and I both know it would never happen, and most people would be fine with that inconsistency. You might not be, but I'd wager that most of the people defending the Knight cartoon would draw the line at a jewish caricature - even if it just, as FD would say, merely "exaggerated the physical features" to a tee.


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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:16am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Yeah - there is zero entitlement to view a hysterical beast as a hysterical beast.....  (yardle)...


You have all the entitlement in the world grappler - I believe you are even doing it now - correct?

But I think what I can say - if I follow your logic - is that there is zero entitlement to view an offensive racial caricature as an offensive racial caricature - is that correct?

Bet you never batted an eyelid at any of Trump's offensive cartoons?
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Reply #75 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:16am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Yeah - there is zero entitlement to view a hysterical beast as a hysterical beast.....  (yardle)...


You have all the entitlement in the world grappler - I believe you are even doing it now - correct?

But I think what I can say - if I follow your logic - is that there is zero entitlement to view an offensive racial caricature as an offensive racial caricature - is that correct?

Bet you never batted an eyelid at any of Trump's offensive cartoons?


Trump isn't a race?  Roll Eyes

But yeah, I get your point, luvvie outrage isnt principled it's flexible.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:33am:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Exaggerating the physical differences between two people is not racist.


Actually it can be - if the contrast serves to depict one as a hysterical beast, and one as a delightful little flower. And I'm not saying the depicted contrast in behaviours didn't reflect the reality of the situation (Williams was clearly being a brat, while Osaka was the complete opposite) - but it is offenive, and yes racist to so blatantly depict this contrast through the use of racial caricatures. The contrasting hair best illustrates this - both have hair as frizzy as each other (check the photos again if you don't believe me), yet Osaka is clearly depicted with long straight hair - you know, like a typical white blond girl.


Anything "can" be racist Gandalf, but in this case you are reading something into it which is not actually there. Yours is just a more convoluted, but no less vacuous version of "he drew a black person with black skin, so if it looks vaguely similar to something else we consider racist, it must be racist".

Any caricature would be racist using your argument. The difference is not the use of "racial caricatures", but the extent of the victimhood mongering on behalf of certain races. It is actually you being racist, because you would only pull this empty headed nonsense on behalf of people of a certain race. You would not for example do the same on behalf of Donald Trump, even though the characteristics that are exaggerated in cartoons of him are just as racial.
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This whole affair reminds me of the South Park episode "Chef Goes Nanners", in which Chef wants the South Park town flag changed because he perceived it to be racist:

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Our main point is that the flag shouldn't offend anyone, because killing has been around since the beginning of time. All animals kill. [an astonished Stan looks as Cartman puts his right hand on the back of Wendy's chair and points at her with his left, winks, then does a victory hand dance. A smiling Wendy remains oblivious to this showing off] And the animals that don't kill are stupid ones, like cows and turtles and stuff. So people should not be so upset about killing. [returns to his seat amid a smattering of applause]
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[stands up] Whoa whoa whooaa! You just missed the point entirely!
Kyle:
Huh?
Chef:
I'm not mad because the flag shows somebody gettin' killed, It's because it's racist!
Kyle's Team:
[minus Stan who's mouth is still hanging open as he stares at Wendy] Racist??
Chef:
Children, don't you even know what this argument is about?! That flag is racist because a black man is being hung by white people.
Kyle's Team:
[minus Stan still shocked] Ooooooohhh.
Chef:
Ooooooohhh?!
Kyle:
W-we really didn't see it that way.
Chef:
But that's a black man up there!
Kyle:
Y-yeah, but… the color of someone's skin doesn't matter.
Chef:
Well of course it matters when- [catches himself] …Oh my God. Wait a minute. You children didn't even see the flag as a black man being hanged by white people, did you?
Kyle's Team:
[except stunned Stan] No.
Chef:
[deducing, marveling] Why, that is- that is the most beautiful thing I have ever heard.
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What?
Mr. Wyland:
What?
Chef:
Don't you see? All this time I thought these little crackers had turned racist, when actually they were so not racist that they didn't even make a separation of black and white to begin with. All they saw when they looked at that flag was five people.
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Here ya go Gandalf.

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That 'blonde' hair is not frizzie (it is ropey as drawn) like Serenas.  Also note the vast difference in skin tone.

Also note the vast difference in overall size.
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Serena's got one hell of a tan line on her neck.
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freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 12:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:33am:
freediver wrote on Sep 12th, 2018 at 6:35pm:
Exaggerating the physical differences between two people is not racist.


Actually it can be - if the contrast serves to depict one as a hysterical beast, and one as a delightful little flower. And I'm not saying the depicted contrast in behaviours didn't reflect the reality of the situation (Williams was clearly being a brat, while Osaka was the complete opposite) - but it is offenive, and yes racist to so blatantly depict this contrast through the use of racial caricatures. The contrasting hair best illustrates this - both have hair as frizzy as each other (check the photos again if you don't believe me), yet Osaka is clearly depicted with long straight hair - you know, like a typical white blond girl.


Anything "can" be racist Gandalf, but in this case you are reading something into it which is not actually there. Yours is just a more convoluted, but no less vacuous version of "he drew a black person with black skin, so if it looks vaguely similar to something else we consider racist, it must be racist".

Any caricature would be racist using your argument. The difference is not the use of "racial caricatures", but the extent of the victimhood mongering on behalf of certain races. It is actually you being racist, because you would only pull this empty headed nonsense on behalf of people of a certain race. You would not for example do the same on behalf of Donald Trump, even though the characteristics that are exaggerated in cartoons of him are just as racial.



Exactly.
And that is why a new stance must be taken against these dolts because we will lose our own free thinking soon.
Donald trump resembled a pig in one drawing....yet nothing was ever said of it....and IF a white person had of stood up and said it was racist then they would have been shot down. Yet here we are totally opposite due to it being a black person.

It's as though there is some sort of immunity for blacks now and they can just call or behave or do whatever the hell they like..........because years ago they weren't treated well.

How come asians don't carry on like this? Because they have some brains about them and are not out seeking attention.....cause that's all this is.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 12:12pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:16am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:58am:
Yeah - there is zero entitlement to view a hysterical beast as a hysterical beast.....  (yardle)...


You have all the entitlement in the world grappler - I believe you are even doing it now - correct?

But I think what I can say - if I follow your logic - is that there is zero entitlement to view an offensive racial caricature as an offensive racial caricature - is that correct?

Bet you never batted an eyelid at any of Trump's offensive cartoons?


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Here ya go Gandalf.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10219306-3x2-700x467.jpg

That 'blonde' hair is not frizzie (it is ropey as drawn) like Serenas.  Also note the vast difference in skin tone.

Also note the vast difference in overall size.


It's not a "vast" difference at all..... a shade or two if that.

What I notice is Osaka hanging her head & pulling down her visor .....

I bet that being because she was so visibly upset at the turn Serena put on thus taking all the limelight off her convincing win.

Bighearted Serena giving her a hug Roll Eyes what a prima-donna.
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And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
Here ya go Gandalf.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10219306-3x2-700x467.jpg

That 'blonde' hair is not frizzie (it is ropey as drawn) like Serenas.  Also note the vast difference in skin tone.

Also note the vast difference in overall size.


It's not a "vast" difference at all..... a shade or two if that.

What I notice is Osaka hanging her head & pulling down her visor .....

I bet that being because she was so visibly upset at the turn Serena put on thus taking all the limelight off her convincing win.

Bighearted Serena giving her a hug Roll Eyes what a prima-donna.

Apparently segments of the crowd turned on Osaka and jeered her which I cannot understand.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
Here ya go Gandalf.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10219306-3x2-700x467.jpg

That 'blonde' hair is not frizzie (it is ropey as drawn) like Serenas.  Also note the vast difference in skin tone.

Also note the vast difference in overall size.


It's not a "vast" difference at all..... a shade or two if that.

What I notice is Osaka hanging her head & pulling down her visor .....

I bet that being because she was so visibly upset at the turn Serena put on thus taking all the limelight off her convincing win.

Bighearted Serena giving her a hug Roll Eyes what a prima-donna.


Look at the hands.
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And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


Bullshyte .... so you're a racist then ey?

Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....

they must all be racists too? Roll Eyes
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Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:45pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:08pm:
Here ya go Gandalf.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10219306-3x2-700x467.jpg

That 'blonde' hair is not frizzie (it is ropey as drawn) like Serenas.  Also note the vast difference in skin tone.

Also note the vast difference in overall size.


It's not a "vast" difference at all..... a shade or two if that.

What I notice is Osaka hanging her head & pulling down her visor .....

I bet that being because she was so visibly upset at the turn Serena put on thus taking all the limelight off her convincing win.

Bighearted Serena giving her a hug Roll Eyes what a prima-donna.


Look at the hands.


Differing light & reflection

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I could make the same suggestion concerning your first photo.
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I could make the same suggestion concerning your first photo.


It's as easy to post dark & lighter photos of Serena as well.

There isn't as much difference in their skin tone as you over emphasize.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
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Differing light & reflection


I could make the same suggestion concerning your first photo.


It's as easy to post dark & lighter photos of Serena as well.

There isn't as much difference in their skin tone as you over emphasize.


Do you reckon she is depicted as a white female in the cartoon?
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Gandalf - you can't have inconsistent values when it come to Free Speech

Either you have it or you don't

The Jews in Wartime Germany found out only too well what happens to a society when Freedoms are eroded

It starts out with simple acts and builds until in the case of the Jews they had no place to hide

We must defend our hard fought Freedoms with our very lives

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Gandalf - you can't have inconsistent values when it come to Free Speech

Either you have it or you don't

The Jews in Wartime Germany found out only too well what happens to a society when Freedoms are eroded

It starts out with simple acts and builds until in the case of the Jews they had no place to hide

We must defend our hard fought Freedoms with our very lives

There is no such thing as having conditions on Freedom of Speech



Jayzuz.....there is no such thing as absolute Freedom of Speech....never has been, never will be and neither ought it ever be.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....



Amazing, you've just proven that it actually is possible to make cartoons of Serena without reproducing Jim Crowe offensive caricatures. Not really hard is it? I wonder if Mark Knight took note.
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Gandalf - you can't have inconsistent values when it come to Free Speech

Either you have it or you don't

The Jews in Wartime Germany found out only too well what happens to a society when Freedoms are eroded

It starts out with simple acts and builds until in the case of the Jews they had no place to hide

We must defend our hard fought Freedoms with our very lives

There is no such thing as having conditions on Freedom of Speech



Ah, now we're at the stage where my criticiism of certain cartoons are misconstrued as attacks on freedom of speech. It was always going to happen I suppose.
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red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
Gandalf - you can't have inconsistent values when it come to Free Speech

Either you have it or you don't

The Jews in Wartime Germany found out only too well what happens to a society when Freedoms are eroded

It starts out with simple acts and builds until in the case of the Jews they had no place to hide

We must defend our hard fought Freedoms with our very lives

There is no such thing as having conditions on Freedom of Speech



Ah, now we're at the stage where my criticiism of certain cartoons are misconstrued as attacks on freedom of speech. It was always going to happen I suppose.

Being a Muslim you wouldn't like cartoons hey Gandalf?
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....



Amazing, you've just proven that it actually is possible to make cartoons of Serena without reproducing Jim Crowe offensive caricatures. Not really hard is it? I wonder if Mark Knight took note.


Huh.....there is great basic similarity between those and what Knight produced.  The only difference is that Knight was drawing her in a rage/temper tantrum.  He nailed it, and with zero intent other than to draw a cartoon of her tossing Teddy in an extremely major way....and that is 100% what she did.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:19pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:07pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:54pm:
Gandalf - you can't have inconsistent values when it come to Free Speech

Either you have it or you don't

The Jews in Wartime Germany found out only too well what happens to a society when Freedoms are eroded

It starts out with simple acts and builds until in the case of the Jews they had no place to hide

We must defend our hard fought Freedoms with our very lives

There is no such thing as having conditions on Freedom of Speech



Ah, now we're at the stage where my criticiism of certain cartoons are misconstrued as attacks on freedom of speech. It was always going to happen I suppose.

Being a Muslim you wouldn't like cartoons hey Gandalf?


Far cough with that schit!
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


Bullshyte .... so you're a racist then ey?

Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....

they must all be racists too? Roll Eyes

Hehehe
Great caricatures there, and nothing racist, highlighting a persons features in that way just has to get a laugh and is an art form unto its own.
Serena got a backhander straight down the line from Mark, I think he was being kind.
Political correctness is starting to get so ho hum.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


Bullshyte .... so you're a racist then ey?

Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....

they must all be racists too? Roll Eyes



Well done good sir. That is a great post.




It's the "in thing" atm to carry on like williams is. Black people world wide are doing it.
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....



Amazing, you've just proven that it actually is possible to make cartoons of Serena without reproducing Jim Crowe offensive caricatures. Not really hard is it? I wonder if Mark Knight took note.



Its because those pictures are drawn showing her ferocity on the court, not the major dummy spit she had.
How old are you. Are you just trolling for shitzz and giggles. FMD.
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George Orwell - 1984.....The opening paragraphs

Book One: Chapter I

Summary: Chapter I

On a cold day in April of 1984, a man named Winston Smith returns to his home, a dilapidated apartment building called Victory Mansions. Thin, frail, and thirty-nine years old, it is painful for him to trudge up the stairs because he has a varicose ulcer above his right ankle. The elevator is always out of service so he does not try to use it. As he climbs the staircase, he is greeted on each landing by a poster depicting an enormous face, underscored by the words “BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.”





Winston is an insignificant official in the Party, the totalitarian political regime that rules all of Airstrip One—the land that used to be called England—as part of the larger state of Oceania. Though Winston is technically a member of the ruling class, his life is still under the Party’s oppressive political control. In his apartment, an instrument called a telescreen—which is always on, spouting propaganda, and through which the Thought Police are known to monitor the actions of citizens—shows a dreary report about pig iron. Winston keeps his back to the screen. From his window he sees the Ministry of Truth, where he works as a propaganda officer altering historical records to match the Party’s official version of past events. Winston thinks about the other Ministries that exist as part of the Party’s governmental apparatus: the Ministry of Peace, which wages war; the Ministry of Plenty, which plans economic shortages; and the dreaded Ministry of Love, the center of the Inner Party’s loathsome activities.

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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:08pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
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Differing light & reflection


I could make the same suggestion concerning your first photo.


It's as easy to post dark & lighter photos of Serena as well.

There isn't as much difference in their skin tone as you over emphasize.


Do you reckon she is depicted as a white female in the cartoon?


I wasn't concentrating on that initially ... but it's hard to tell ...

why would the cartoonist make Osaka out to be white?

I doesn't make sense.
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Did he make her out to be white in your opinion, looking at the cartoon?
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Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....



Amazing, you've just proven that it actually is possible to make cartoons of Serena without reproducing Jim Crowe offensive caricatures. Not really hard is it? I wonder if Mark Knight took note.


Jim Crowe is irrelevant.

Good grief if you think none of those are on a par with Mark Knights cartoon drawing ... you ought go to Spec Savers.  Roll Eyes
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Did he make her out to be white in your opinion, looking at the cartoon?


No. Why would he?
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why would the cartoonist make Osaka out to be white?


Did he make her out to be white in your opinion, looking at the cartoon?


No. Why would he?


Why even ask 'why' when he clearly drew her as Japanese with bleached yellow ropey hair?

(Read the Thread.)

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So what's your point?

I never said he didn't.
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So what's your point?

I never said he didn't.


Read the Thread and you will see what others have said.  It is not always about you.  I merely asked for your opinion, and you thought that was a hand-grenade in your direction.
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Why even ask 'why' when he clearly drew her as Japanese with bleached yellow ropey hair?



??

I can't tell her ethnicity from the cartoon. Although the pictures seem to show she has bleached her hair. Or Perhaps merely long tips.

https://www.instyle.com/news/naomi-osaka-facts-biography

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Both players have the sameish skin tone in the cartoon. The umpire is the only white person in that trio, his face has a pink hue. The women are coffee coloured with a bit less milk with Williams.


The coach admitted coaching, by the way, after the game. The umpire was absolutely right.  Will Williams apologise for calling him a liar and a thief? No.  Coz she is fighting for all the other women who get $2.5 million per game. And stuff. And because she has a daughter.

How laughable.





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Rust never sleeps, nor does the never ending crusade, these days led by the Left to erode freedom of expression

They are the enemy and don't ever forget that, not for a second

They will put twists on it, claiming, racism, sexism, whatever label they can lay their grubby hands on, as long as it suits their purpose, to muzzle people and make them afraid to express their point of view

The Australian version of this is the Labor Party Member Stephen Conroy  who tried to bring in a Star Chamber  to decide what  the media could and couldn't publish. Thankfully Labor and Conroy were tossed out

But beware there are many more Stephen Conroys out there just waiting to turn this Country into 1984

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Reply #116 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:33pm
 
Mary Black wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 5:01pm:
Grow up, the lot of you.  Dissecting a cartoon ... because you can?


Naff off ... it's been dissected by the race card playing victim industry ...

and the cartoonist vilified & death threats sent to his wife & children.

Have you got a decent point to make?

If not tat tah.  Angry
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Reply #117 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:37pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:24pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:20pm:
So what's your point?

I never said he didn't.


Read the Thread and you will see what others have said.  It is not always about you.  I merely asked for your opinion, and you thought that was a hand-grenade in your direction.


I never made it out to be just about me ffs.

No .. I don't believe he portrayed Osaka as white ...

yes I believe he portrayed Serena as exactly as she behaved in satirical cartoon caricature.
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Reply #118 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:42pm
 
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No .. I don't believe he portrayed Osaka as white ...

yes I believe he portrayed Serena as exactly as she behaved in satirical cartoon caricature.


Exactly.....except I reckon he drew her pretty accurately when she was having her tantrum.  Not much satire.

In any event...forget that.   Gandalf was arguing that he drew Osaka as a white (goody goody) person and Serena as a large black (demon,) which she was 100%.
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Reply #119 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:58pm
 
Take 15 minutes and watch the facts.  Come on.  She was totally disgraceful on every level, and Knight captured it very well.

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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.
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False accusations of racism empower racists. Racism is becoming a meaningless term.

Denying wacism is the worst wacism.

Once wacism (hitler, sexism, rationality as white supremacy, etc, etc) are mentioned the discussion is thereby well and truly f vcked. There is no reasonable engagement
with such derandements. Once these idiocies a re brought into the discussion all sense is thereby purged.

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So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?
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The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.

A tinted woman with blonde hair. Racial self loathing? There is a lot of it about. Any blacks bleaching their hair and/ or skin. Big chip on them muscular,  simian shoulders.

Ok to characterise dubya and abbott as simian but not Williams or blacks?

Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #125 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.



Hi FD,
what about how Jews are portrayed in cartoons?


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Reply #126 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.



Not irrelevant at all.
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon

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Reply #127 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:49pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon



You mean the blonde highlights she put in her hair? You think it was shameful that he showed it? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:27pm:
Both players have the sameish skin tone in the cartoon. The umpire is the only white person in that trio, his face has a pink hue. The women are coffee coloured with a bit less milk with Williams.


The coach admitted coaching, by the way, after the game. The umpire was absolutely right.  Will Williams apologise for calling him a liar and a thief? No.  Coz she is fighting for all the other women who get $2.5 million per game. And stuff. And because she has a daughter.

How laughable.








I near fell over backwards when I listened to her rant and she mentioned her kid. What the hell? They really are just overpaid children.
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Reply #129 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:54pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.



Not irrelevant at all.
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon

http://i65.tinypic.com/a3ed6o.jpg


Are you saying that the pics look alike in some way other than both are black? Are you upset Serina doesn't have teeth? Or a smile?
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Reply #130 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:13pm
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.



Not irrelevant at all.
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon

http://i65.tinypic.com/a3ed6o.jpg


Are you saying that the pics look alike in some way other than both are black? Are you upset Serina doesn't have teeth? Or a smile?




Ye hath failed to notice the big hooked nose &
the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.
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Reply #131 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.



Hi FD,
what about how Jews are portrayed in cartoons?


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif


Are you asking me to generalise about all cartoon Jews?
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Reply #132 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.



Hi FD,
what about how Jews are portrayed in cartoons?


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif


Are you asking me to generalise about all cartoon Jews?




No - only the many of them which are well portrayed in the one I posted.

Another one:

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Reply #133 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.



Not irrelevant at all.
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon

http://i65.tinypic.com/a3ed6o.jpg


Are you saying that the pics look alike in some way other than both are black? Are you upset Serina doesn't have teeth? Or a smile?




Ye hath failed to notice the big hooked nose &
the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.


Serina has a big hooked nose and greed written all over her face and she is rubbing her hands in that cartoon? Are you telling me you didn't you see the fried chicken and watermelon?
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Reply #134 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:55pm
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.



Not irrelevant at all.
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon

http://i65.tinypic.com/a3ed6o.jpg


Are you saying that the pics look alike in some way other than both are black? Are you upset Serina doesn't have teeth? Or a smile?




Ye hath failed to notice the big hooked nose &
the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.


Serina has a big hooked nose and greed written all over her face and she is rubbing her hands in that cartoon? Are you telling me you didn't you see the fried chicken and watermelon?



Ye hath imagined that which is not there.
May I suggest a panadeine and a good night sleep?
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Reply #135 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:55pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:13pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:33pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?

Who cares? Irrelevant.



Not irrelevant at all.
It was another of the criticisms of his cartoon

http://i65.tinypic.com/a3ed6o.jpg


Are you saying that the pics look alike in some way other than both are black? Are you upset Serina doesn't have teeth? Or a smile?




Ye hath failed to notice the big hooked nose &
the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.


Serina has a big hooked nose and greed written all over her face and she is rubbing her hands in that cartoon? Are you telling me you didn't you see the fried chicken and watermelon?



Ye hath imagined that which is not there.
May I suggest a panadeine and a good night sleep?


Bobby, you are the one that told me I failed to notice the big hooked nose & the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.

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Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
Bobby, you are the one that told me I failed to notice the big hooked nose & the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.



Are ye blind?


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Reply #137 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
Bobby, you are the one that told me I failed to notice the big hooked nose & the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.



Are ye blind?


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif


No. In what part of what I responded to is there anyone of the description you give? It's a black woman jumping.
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Reply #138 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
Bobby, you are the one that told me I failed to notice the big hooked nose & the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.



Are ye blind?


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif


Show that to aussie.  He's never seen a jew before.
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Reply #139 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
Bobby, you are the one that told me I failed to notice the big hooked nose & the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.



Are ye blind?


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif


No. In what part of what I responded to is there anyone of the description you give? It's a black woman jumping.


Oh, are you trying to say the Serina cartoon is like the Jew cartoon? Much like the pics you have posted in the past that stereotype? Is it just Jews that get you upset? Are you Gordy's cousin?

Remember you posted...

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Reply #140 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:59am
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:26pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:57pm:
Bobby, you are the one that told me I failed to notice the big hooked nose & the greed written all over the face as the hands are rubbed gleefully together.



Are ye blind?


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/jew-bwa-ha-ha.gif


No. In what part of what I responded to is there anyone of the description you give? It's a black woman jumping.


Oh, are you trying to say the Serina cartoon is like the Jew cartoon? Much like the pics you have posted in the past that stereotype? Is it just Jews that get you upset? Are you Gordy's cousin?

Remember you posted...

https://www.xyz.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/IMG_3144.jpg?



Nothing - you are off topic -
I was responding to FD,

he stated
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Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.


I wanted to see if FD thought the cartoon depicting a Jew was racist?
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PJW nails it..

SHUT UP SERENA WILLIAMS...

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The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
https://www.3aw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2018/09/mark1.jpg


So who was Serina's blonde haired opponent in the US open final?


The back of Osakas hair was dyed blonde ... you nong.
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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 8:07am:
PJW nails it..

SHUT UP SERENA WILLIAMS...



Spot on

and those that support her in what was just another one of her temper tantrums & being a sore loser .... are as equally nauseating.

The father of her child should have been cringing when he saw what was just another Serena brat episode.
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The cartoon, published yesterday, has been widely criticised as “racist” and “vile” by The Washington Post, Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, rapper Nicki Minaj and Australian comedian Eddie Perfect, amongst others.



Is she dark skinned?   Yep


Does she have frizzy hair ?  Yep


Does she have a big mouth?  Yep


Is she large and muscular?  Yep


Did she chuck a dummy spit?  Yep



In other words, an accurate portrayal within the cartoon


So what's the problem?


Is the problem that the cartoon is entirely accurate?  Sounds like it


Too bad, eh


And not portrayed in  that cartoon

Is she a sore loser ? Yep

Is she greedy ? Yep

Is she a spoilt brat ? Yep

Does she look like an ape ? Yep
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Reply #145 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:31am
 
This is who should be receiving all the attention & accolades for her dominant win ... not the tantrum throwing drama queen sore loser Serena Williams.
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HEAR HEAR Gnads !!!
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Reply #147 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:43am
 
I hope the umpires boycott williams and she is stood down.
What a total bitch she is. Just shows what kind of person she is.....and perhaps a review of every grand slam win to see if coaching was given in those matches as well, and if so, strip her of those wins too.

CONGRATULATIONS NAOMI OSAKA ON A FINE AND DESERVED WIN!
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Reply #148 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:58am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 9:43am:
I hope the umpires boycott williams and she is stood down.
What a total bitch she is. Just shows what kind of person she is.....and perhaps a review of every grand slam win to see if coaching was given in those matches as well, and if so, strip her of those wins too.

CONGRATULATIONS NAOMI OSAKA ON A FINE AND DESERVED WIN!


It's losing the money to her opposition that really pisses her off and not the win.
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Reply #149 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:14am
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....



Amazing, you've just proven that it actually is possible to make cartoons of Serena without reproducing Jim Crowe offensive caricatures. Not really hard is it? I wonder if Mark Knight took note.


Jim Crowe is irrelevant.


Thus spake the non-African American
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Reply #150 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:24am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.


Your inability to repeatedly misunderstand/misconstrue my eminently straight forward view on race and racism, despite carefully explaining it to you a million times continues to astound. I know this will fly over your head as it always does, but for the benefit of others who may have been misled by your misrepresentation of my views: very simply - "race" doesn't exist, I have never changed my view on this. However two things *DO* exist in relation to this issue: 1. the ignorant smearing and 'othering' of an entire ethnic/religious or cultural group by use of stereotypes that accentuate and mock physical features thought to be representative of said ethnic/religious/cultural group - which we call "racism" and 2. the concept of race *IN THE MINDS OF RACISTS* - that is all too real as well. When you understand these very simple points, then, and only then, will you understand why I keep referring to 'race' even when I personally don't believe it exists. 

Now back to my point, can you explain to me how mocking Trump's ridiculous orange face - obviously a result of a fake tan gone wrong, or accentuating his uniquely sullen look on his face is 'racist' against whites? Unlike the Serena cartoon, the accentuated features are not features that are stereotypical to what you might refer to as the 'white race'. They are stereotypical of the man Donald Trump, no one else. Whereas Serena's features in the cartoon, the frizzy hair, the big lips and the big botton - are classic stereotypes of what you might refer to as the "negro race" - that have been targeted by racists for decades.
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Reply #151 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:45am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:24am:
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.


Your inability to repeatedly misunderstand/misconstrue my eminently straight forward view on race and racism, despite carefully explaining it to you a million times continues to astound. I know this will fly over your head as it always does, but for the benefit of others who may have been misled by your misrepresentation of my views: very simply - "race" doesn't exist, I have never changed my view on this. However two things *DO* exist in relation to this issue: 1. the ignorant smearing and 'othering' of an entire ethnic/religious or cultural group by use of stereotypes that accentuate and mock physical features thought to be representative of said ethnic/religious/cultural group - which we call "racism" and 2. the concept of race *IN THE MINDS OF RACISTS* - that is all too real as well. When you understand these very simple points, then, and only then, will you understand why I keep referring to 'race' even when I personally don't believe it exists. 

Now back to my point, can you explain to me how mocking Trump's ridiculous orange face - obviously a result of a fake tan gone wrong, or accentuating his uniquely sullen look on his face is 'racist' against whites? Unlike the Serena cartoon, the accentuated features are not features that are stereotypical to what you might refer to as the 'white race'. They are stereotypical of the man Donald Trump, no one else. Whereas Serena's features in the cartoon, the frizzy hair, the big lips and the big botton - are classic stereotypes of what you might refer to as the "negro race" - that have been targeted by racists for decades. 



What a load of crap.
They have bigger lips.
They have curley hair.
They have better complexion than whites.
They have bigger arses. Sir mixalot ring any bells??? Look at that Kardashian sheila. Actually having implants to resemble a black arse. Is that racist too?

You're off ya head and digging for an argument because....well....for the sake of arguing. We see through your racism though. Because it is racist to scream racist.

Tell me...is a black person calling another black person a niqqqa racist? It is in movies ffs.
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Reply #152 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:24am:
Your inability to repeatedly misunderstand/misconstrue my eminently straight forward view on race and racism, despite carefully explaining it to you a million times continues to astound.



He has an INability to repeatedly MISunderstand you? So he has an ability to repeatedly understand you?

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Reply #153 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:24am:
freediver wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 7:16pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:41pm:
And it looks like I have to repeat myself for the benefit of people who refuse to read what I actually say:

I have no problem with being inconsistent with Trump.

And no, the features of his that are mocked by cartoonists are not racial - unless there is some ridiculous yellow toupee, orange face, flabby skinned race that I'm not aware of.


You have no problem being "inconsistent" between a black person and a white person because you are actually "racist". You apply different standards based on the skin colour of the people involved. The cartoonist is not being racist. Quite the opposite. He is giving people the same (mis)treatment regardless of race. You pretend that there is something inherently racist in the cartoon, but it is not actually there. It is entirely in the way you interpret it. You are trying to blame the cartoonist for your own racism.

You constantly try to redefine racism. You have previously argued that conventional racism - based on race - does not exist because races do not exist. You are obviously backpedaling on that one now. Once you defined racism out of existence, you created a new racism - based on religion (ie, Islam). Now you have decided that races do in fact exist again, but to be racist means failing to apply different standards based on skin colour, and people who treat others the same regardless of skin colour are the ones being racist.

Try to twist it all you want Gandalf, but it really is that simple. You are the racist. The cartoonist is not.


Your inability to repeatedly misunderstand/misconstrue my eminently straight forward view on race and racism, despite carefully explaining it to you a million times continues to astound. I know this will fly over your head as it always does, but for the benefit of others who may have been misled by your misrepresentation of my views: very simply - "race" doesn't exist, I have never changed my view on this. However two things *DO* exist in relation to this issue: 1. the ignorant smearing and 'othering' of an entire ethnic/religious or cultural group by use of stereotypes that accentuate and mock physical features thought to be representative of said ethnic/religious/cultural group - which we call "racism" and 2. the concept of race *IN THE MINDS OF RACISTS* - that is all too real as well. When you understand these very simple points, then, and only then, will you understand why I keep referring to 'race' even when I personally don't believe it exists. 

Now back to my point, can you explain to me how mocking Trump's ridiculous orange face - obviously a result of a fake tan gone wrong, or accentuating his uniquely sullen look on his face is 'racist' against whites? Unlike the Serena cartoon, the accentuated features are not features that are stereotypical to what you might refer to as the 'white race'. They are stereotypical of the man Donald Trump, no one else. Whereas Serena's features in the cartoon, the frizzy hair, the big lips and the big botton - are classic stereotypes of what you might refer to as the "negro race" - that have been targeted by racists for decades. 


If race does not exist, what links Serena to the historical oppression of black people that you are trying so desperately to protect her from?

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Now back to my point, can you explain to me how mocking Trump's ridiculous orange face - obviously a result of a fake tan gone wrong, or accentuating his uniquely sullen look on his face is 'racist' against whites?


I do not think it is. You are the one seeing racism in every cartoon, not me. I was responding to your admission that you are being hypocritical and setting a different standard for Williams and Trump because of her race - despite also insisting her race does not exist.

If you would like to perform another backflip and insist you are being entirely consistent, but there is something fundamentally different in the cartoons, be my guest, but please retract your previous argument first instead of doing a 180 with every single post. It is hard to keep up with all the different positions you can take on an argument.
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Reply #154 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 2:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 11:14am:
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 6:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 4:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Here's another half a dozen caricatures of Serena by different cartoonists over her career ....



Amazing, you've just proven that it actually is possible to make cartoons of Serena without reproducing Jim Crowe offensive caricatures. Not really hard is it? I wonder if Mark Knight took note.


Jim Crowe is irrelevant.


Thus spake the non-African American


And what qualifies you to spake thus?  Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
If race does not exist, what links Serena to the historical oppression of black people that you are trying so desperately to protect her from?


This is a non-sequitur. You need to sort this out and construct a coherent question before I can answer whatever it is you are trying to ask. Basically though I refer you to the point I just made that black Americans have been victims of racism for decades - not because I believe in 'race' but because racists do.

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
I was responding to your admission that you are being hypocritical and setting a different standard for Williams and Trump because of her race - despite also insisting her race does not exist.


I was not admitting to hypocricy, I was admitting to being inconsistent. They are not the same thing. I have seen several people point to the caricaturing of politicians, including Trump and claiming hypocricy by those of us who single out this Serena cartoon. My response has been that politicians are fair game - and you know what, even Serena is fair game, but racial caricatures are not. This would be the same if it was a white politician. You of course retort by saying cartoons merely exaggerate physical features, which therefore exaggerate her "racial" features, and this can't be avoided. And yet someone posted a series of cartoons of the same person proving that it actually is possible to draw caricatures of her without making her a Jim Crowe racial caricature.
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Why ‘1984’ Is a 2017 Must-Read



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By Michiko Kakutani
Jan. 26, 2017

The dystopia described in George Orwell’s nearly 70-year-old novel “1984” suddenly feels all too familiar. A world in which Big Brother (or maybe the National Security Agency) is always listening in, and high-tech devices can eavesdrop in people’s homes. (Hey, Alexa, what’s up?) A world of endless war, where fear and hate are drummed up against foreigners, and movies show boatloads of refugees dying at sea. A world in which the government insists that reality is not “something objective, external, existing in its own right” — but rather, “whatever the Party holds to be truth is truth.”

“1984” shot to No. 1 on Amazon’s best-seller list this week, after Kellyanne Conway, an adviser to President Trump, described demonstrable falsehoods told by the White House press secretary Sean Spicer — regarding the size of inaugural crowds — as “alternative facts.” It was a phrase chillingly reminiscent, for many readers, of the Ministry of Truth’s efforts in “1984” at “reality control.” To Big Brother and the Party, Orwell wrote, “the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.” Regardless of the facts, “Big Brother is omnipotent” and “the Party is infallible.”

As the novel’s hero, Winston Smith, sees it, the Party “told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears,” and he vows, early in the book, to defend “the obvious” and “the true”: “The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall toward the earth’s center.” Freedom, he reminds himself, “is the freedom to say that two plus two make four,” even though the Party will force him to agree that “TWO AND TWO MAKE FIVE” — not unlike the way Mr. Spicer tried to insist that Mr. Trump’s inauguration crowd was “the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration,” despite data and photographs to the contrary.

In “1984,” Orwell created a harrowing picture of a dystopia named Oceania, where the government insists on defining its own reality and where propaganda permeates the lives of people too distracted by rubbishy tabloids (“containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology”) and sex-filled movies to care much about politics or history. News articles and books are rewritten by the Ministry of Truth and facts and dates grow blurry — the past is described as a benighted time that has given way to the Party’s efforts to make Oceania great again (never mind the evidence to the contrary, like grim living conditions and shortages of decent food and clothing).


Not surprisingly, “1984” has found a nervous readership in today’s “post-truth” era. It’s an era in which misinformation and fake news have proliferated on the web; Russia is flooding the West with propaganda to affect elections and sow doubts about the democratic process; poisonous tensions among ethnic and religious groups are fanned by right-wing demagogues; and reporters scramble to sort out a cascade of lies and falsehoods told by President Trump and his aides — from false accusations that journalists had invented a rift between him and the intelligence community (when he had compared the intelligence agencies to Nazis) to debunked claims that millions of unauthorized immigrants robbed him of a popular-vote majority.

Orwell had been thinking about the novel that would become “1984” as early as 1944, when he wrote a letter about Stalin and Hitler, and “the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible führer.”

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I have published this here to remind everyone that the hysteria that greeted Mark Knight's simple cartoon demonstrating an out of control Serena Williams has morphed into a hate campaign against Mark Knight  for a realistic cartoon depicting the out of control diva

Now the 'thought Police' are trying to turn it into a sexist/racist attack

This clearly demonstrates that in fact 1984 is now and we are entangled in its tentacles
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Again, criticising a cartoon and, God forbid, the cartoonist, is apparently the same as 1984-esque fascism.

And they call us the hysterical ones  Roll Eyes
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
Again, criticising a cartoon and, God forbid, the cartoonist, is apparently the same as 1984-esque fascism.

And they call us the hysterical ones  Roll Eyes

So millions of your fellow muslims displayed behaviour the same 1984-esque fascism then?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
Again, criticising a cartoon and, God forbid, the cartoonist, is apparently the same as 1984-esque fascism.

And they call us the hysterical ones  Roll Eyes

So millions of your fellow muslims displayed behaviour the same 1984-esque fascism then?


Far cough with your Muslim schit!  Take it to the Islam Section ferfuxsake.


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Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 4:02pm:
Again, criticising a cartoon and, God forbid, the cartoonist, is apparently the same as 1984-esque fascism.

And they call us the hysterical ones  Roll Eyes

So millions of your fellow muslims displayed behaviour the same 1984-esque fascism then?


Far cough with your Muslim schit!  Take it to the Islam Section ferfuxsake.



No. I will not. I expose hypocrisy wherever I find it.
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Great....take it to the Islam Section.  People are getting pissed off with this Muslim schit all over the Forum.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Great....take it to the Islam Section.  People are getting pissed off with this Muslim schit all over the Forum.
Like you clogging up this thread having a go at me? I would have been one post if you didn't stick your nose in.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Great....take it to the Islam Section.  People are getting pissed off with this Muslim schit all over the Forum.
Like you clogging up this thread having a go at me? I would have been one post if you didn't stick your nose in.


I agree.  But it is time someone (that'd be me) took a stand on this ever-increasing and insipidly creeping Muslim bashing schit here, Forum wide. There is a specific Sub Forum for that.  Take it there.

Gandalf posts as a Member.  Just like you do.  WhyTF must he be confronted with Muslim bashing schit on Non-Muslim matters?

Take it where it ought to be.
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This seems like a relationship issue.
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Reply #166 - Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:53pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Great....take it to the Islam Section.  People are getting pissed off with this Muslim schit all over the Forum.
Like you clogging up this thread having a go at me? I would have been one post if you didn't stick your nose in.


I agree.  But it is time someone (that'd be me) took a stand on this ever-increasing and insipidly creeping Muslim bashing schit here, Forum wide. There is a specific Sub Forum for that.  Take it there.

Gandalf posts as a Member.  Just like you do.  WhyTF must he be confronted with Muslim bashing schit on Non-Muslim matters?

Take it where it ought to be.

Are you finished. I'll type what I like thanks and if you don't like it you can suck my balls.
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And another thing Aussie, I have never criticised the pages and pages of rubbish you've posted tit for tating with other posters over total rubbish. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. When you stop doing it I'll think about my postings.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:58pm:
And another thing Aussie, I have never criticised the pages and pages of rubbish you've posted tit for tating with other posters over total rubbish. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. When you stop doing it I'll think about my postings.


I keep my Muslim schit (not that I know SFA about it) in the Islam Section.  You?
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Again, criticising a cartoon and, God forbid, the cartoonist, is apparently the same as 1984-esque fascism.

And they call us the hysterical ones  Roll Eyes



Well, it is the re-run of the Mohammed cartoons in many ways. The PC dickos are going apeshit like you Muslims go  apeshite over nothing more than cartoons. 

The symbiosis of Mohamedan maddies and lefty, PC, 'social justice'  maddies is obvious. The whole 'how dare you laughing at me' reflex when encountering the world beyond your respective bubbles is something you share. Probably nothing else - it's the humourless and excessive self-regard and self-love (massive chip on your shoulders, really) that drives you always in the same camp. You don't have reasoned and convincing arguments so you all go apeshite, hoping that your excess of emotional incontinence might carry the day or at least browbeat everyone into submission.

You Muslims appropriated the gay slogans of homophobia, turned it into Islamophobia - and now every  grievance mongering idiot is on the [your identity here]-phobia bandwagon!!!! You Muslims are now in the same camp as the people a Muslim caliphate would kill off first  [after you finished with the Jews, of course]: homos, trannies, pagans, atheists/communists; or would relegate to second class status: women, including black tennis champions.


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Here we go, yet again.  Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap.

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Serena - not a fitting name for her, then.


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I have published this here to remind everyone that the hysteria that greeted Mark Knight's simple cartoon demonstrating an out of control Serena Williams has morphed into a hate campaign against Mark Knight  for a realistic cartoon depicting the out of control diva

Now the 'thought Police' are trying to turn it into a sexist/racist attack

This clearly demonstrates that in fact 1984 is now and we are entangled in its tentacles



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Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:34pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 5:03pm:
Great....take it to the Islam Section.  People are getting pissed off with this Muslim schit all over the Forum.
Like you clogging up this thread having a go at me? I would have been one post if you didn't stick your nose in.


I agree.  But it is time someone (that'd be me) took a stand on this ever-increasing and insipidly creeping Muslim bashing schit here, Forum wide. There is a specific Sub Forum for that.  Take it there.

Gandalf posts as a Member.  Just like you do.  WhyTF must he be confronted with Muslim bashing schit on Non-Muslim matters?

Take it where it ought to be.


Is it any different to the "racist labeling" shyte that's going on in this thread?

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Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Here we go, yet again.  Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap.

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Just shows you how invasive Islam is in everything in our society today .. no?

He has a point ..... any white critical of another race is racist

any one critical of Islam is a racist.

This post is about a cartoonist being called a racist for criticizing the behaviour of a black tennis player ....

and who has had death threats made to himself & his family ....

just like happened to those who posted caricatures of Mohammad ....

Je suis Charlie.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Ultimately we must support the freedom of cartoonists to keep on doing what they do best. Lampoon society and hold a mirror up to it in an edgy and satirical way
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My 2 cents

The cartoon is not racist.

And no player is bigger than the game they play.

Serena let herself and the sport she plays down big time with her hissy fit.

She also took the limelight away from Naomi and her achievement.

If anyone should be apologising its Serena to the tennis world, that umpire, her opponent and the fans.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Here we go, yet again.  Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap.

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Aussie you are renowned for bringing up Islam in unrelated threads.
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freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
If race does not exist, what links Serena to the historical oppression of black people that you are trying so desperately to protect her from?


This is a non-sequitur. You need to sort this out and construct a coherent question before I can answer whatever it is you are trying to ask. Basically though I refer you to the point I just made that black Americans have been victims of racism for decades - not because I believe in 'race' but because racists do.

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 12:34pm:
I was responding to your admission that you are being hypocritical and setting a different standard for Williams and Trump because of her race - despite also insisting her race does not exist.


I was not admitting to hypocricy, I was admitting to being inconsistent. They are not the same thing. I have seen several people point to the caricaturing of politicians, including Trump and claiming hypocricy by those of us who single out this Serena cartoon. My response has been that politicians are fair game - and you know what, even Serena is fair game, but racial caricatures are not. This would be the same if it was a white politician. You of course retort by saying cartoons merely exaggerate physical features, which therefore exaggerate her "racial" features, and this can't be avoided. And yet someone posted a series of cartoons of the same person proving that it actually is possible to draw caricatures of her without making her a Jim Crowe racial caricature.


Of course it is possible. The cartoon in question for example is not a racial caricature. It is a caricature of Williams.

In this case inconsistency is hypocrisy. What you decide is a racial caricature is entirely arbitrary. Following your logic, we would not be allowed to draw a picture of anyone who looks like any historical stereotype, even if the stereotype is based on the physical characteristics that identify a racial group.

And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race, and then apply your inconsistent standards accordingly. You believe that Serena is black and that because she is black you should apply a different standard. You not only believe in race, you are racist. The different standards you apply, based on race, without any other racist having to explain to you what racial group she belongs to, make race real.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 7:57pm:
Here we go, yet again.  Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap.

Angry


Aussie you are renowned for bringing up Islam in unrelated threads.


Incorrect Effendi.  You are referring to the "I wonder what Mosque etc" stuff.  That is clearly relevant to what is soup of the day here, and also relevant to violence which is generally attributed to Islam at OzPol.  That's me fighing back in my little way.
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So you admit to bringing up Islam in threads that are completely unrelated, except that they are about some kind of violence, but you also complain about "Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap"?

Is this like when you post prolifically in defence of Islam and Muslims, at the same time as insisting you have no knowledge of or interest in the topic?
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So you admit to bringing up Islam in threads that are completely unrelated, except that they are about some kind of violence, but you also complain about "Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap"?


Nice to see you did acknowledge the important except.

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Is this like when you post prolifically in defence of Islam and Muslims, at the same time as insisting you have no knowledge of or interest in the topic?


I cannot recall even one post in defence of Islam or Muslims.  Given you say it is prolific, it ought to be easy for you to muster up some examples.  Let's see evidence confirming this 'prolifically' you speak of, Effendi....not here.

Wrong thread for it.
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freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 2:14pm:
So you admit to bringing up Islam in threads that are completely unrelated, except that they are about some kind of violence, but you also complain about "Another Thread trashed with Muslim crap"?


Nice to see you did acknowledge the important except.

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Is this like when you post prolifically in defence of Islam and Muslims, at the same time as insisting you have no knowledge of or interest in the topic?


I cannot recall even one post in defence of Islam or Muslims.  Given you say it is prolific, it ought to be easy for you to muster up some examples.  Let's see evidence confirming this 'prolifically' you speak of, Effendi....not here.

Wrong thread for it.


Do you remember accusing me of lying about what Gandalf said, then refusing to read the quotes when I presented them to you?

The "except" is meaningless, unless you think Islam has an automatic association with violence.
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Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
At my Golf Club we have names for some trees, including this one.......

https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/4c0502a6-735d-4144-9b88-e3e...


You should take a leaf out of that trees book

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That is not what happened, but let's assume it was.  Whatever you want to call it.......it is not a defence of Islam or of Muslims.  It was an argument about who said what.

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The "except" is meaningless, unless you think Islam has an automatic association with violence.


Ah.....almost a lightbulb moment for you there Effendi! 

At OzPol...it is a given that 'Islam has an automatic association with violence.'  That is the point.  If there is violence mentioned here, on random occasions, I will ask the question (not mine....one used by the person I am mocking...and to mock OzPol's obsession with the issue)...."I wonder what Mosque they went to."
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Gnads wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:38pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
At my Golf Club we have names for some trees, including this one.......

https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/4c0502a6-735d-4144-9b88-e3e...


You should take a leaf out of that trees book

and get well and truly rooted.  Grin


Can you suggest a name for the tree?
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Gum tree?

Eucalyptus tree?

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Gum tree?

Eucalyptus tree?

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No....we give them the names of people....like Harry, Marcia etc.
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A golliwog or not?

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Gum tree?

Eucalyptus tree?

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No....we give them the names of people....like Harry, Marcia etc.


OK I'll indulge you .... why?
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Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:03pm:

A golliwog or not?



I believe she is African American and moved to Japan - one of her parents Natives lands???

it doesn't matter....

She Won.....

she's an excellent tennis player... I hope she doesn't end up like the Spoilt Brat Gorilla.. Williams...
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Gnads wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Gum tree?

Eucalyptus tree?

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No....we give them the names of people....like Harry, Marcia etc.


You'd be far better off and remember their names much more easily if you named them after politicians. They'd all be c\/nt tree. It's the patriotic thing to do.

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Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Gum tree?

Eucalyptus tree?

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No....we give them the names of people....like Harry, Marcia etc.


You'd be far better off and remember their names much more easily if you named them after politicians. They'd all be c\/nt tree. It's the patriotic thing to do.



Oh.....we do have a moot tree!  ('Moot' to rhyme with book.)
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Do you remember accusing me of lying about what Gandalf said, then refusing to read the quotes when I presented them to you?


That is not what happened, but let's assume it was.  Whatever you want to call it.......it is not a defence of Islam or of Muslims.  It was an argument about who said what.

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The "except" is meaningless, unless you think Islam has an automatic association with violence.


Ah.....almost a lightbulb moment for you there Effendi! 

At OzPol...it is a given that 'Islam has an automatic association with violence.'  That is the point.  If there is violence mentioned here, on random occasions, I will ask the question (not mine....one used by the person I am mocking...and to mock OzPol's obsession with the issue)...."I wonder what Mosque they went to."


Are you saying Gandalf is not a Muslim, or that you were not defending him when you insisted he did not say the things you refused to read him saying?

Oh, and you also have a tendency to forget a conversation you had ten minutes ago.
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You are so predictable.

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Are you saying Gandalf is not a Muslim, or that you were not defending him when you insisted he did not say the things you refused to read him saying?


Yes ~ Gandalf is a Muslim.....but he is not 'Muslims.'   Wink

You really are a very naughty boy Effendi.

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That is not what happened, but let's assume it was.  Whatever you want to call it.......it is not a defence of Islam or of Muslims.  It was an argument about who said what.


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Oh, and you also have a tendency to forget a conversation you had ten minutes ago.


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So you are actually arguing that you defend individual Muslims, but you do not defend Muslims?

If Gandalf was not a Muslim, would you have insisted he did not say those things you refuse to read him saying?

What exactly is your complaint about others associating Islam with violence, other than a defence of Islam and Muslims? Or does that not count because you did it more than ten minutes ago so cannot be expected to remember it?
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So you are actually arguing that you defend individual Muslims, but you do not defend Muslims?


Effendi.....I took a position of support of a Member here.  His user name is Gandalf.   Let's assume you are a Methodist.  If I 'defend' you, am I defending "Methodists?"

Further, on that issue of who said what in the 'mindless collective' thing, despite me asking you many times, you never ever managed to demonstrate with evidence/context, which of the two of you introduced the term.

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Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
So you are actually arguing that you defend individual Muslims, but you do not defend Muslims?


Effendi.....I took a position of support of a Member here.  His user name is Gandalf.   Let's assume you are a Methodist.  If I 'defend' you, am I defending "Methodists?"

Further, on that issue of who said what in the 'mindless collective' thing, despite me asking you many times, you never ever managed to demonstrate with evidence/context, which of the two of you introduced the term.

Because of that, and because you often misrepresent what I post, I backed Gandalf the poster, not Gandalf the Muslim.


Given that you openly refused to read the evidence, how can you now say what evidence was presented?

If Gandalf was not a Muslim, would you have insisted he did not say those things you refuse to read him saying?

What exactly is your complaint about others associating Islam with violence, and your idiotic response of associating Islam with violence to get back at them, other than a defence of Islam and Muslims? Or does that not count because you did it more than ten minutes ago so cannot be expected to remember it?
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Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
So you are actually arguing that you defend individual Muslims, but you do not defend Muslims?


Effendi.....I took a position of support of a Member here.  His user name is Gandalf.   Let's assume you are a Methodist.  If I 'defend' you, am I defending "Methodists?"

Further, on that issue of who said what in the 'mindless collective' thing, despite me asking you many times, you never ever managed to demonstrate with evidence/context, which of the two of you introduced the term.

Because of that, and because you often misrepresent what I post, I backed Gandalf the poster, not Gandalf the Muslim.


You can defend a person without defending his religion or points of view. It's easy, just say so. I defend Gandalf's right to defend himself, his right to hold the position he does and his point of view, his view of his religion, just as I do Yadda's. On the other hand, to me his religion is indefensible and a pox on man, as is Yadda's. How Gandalf deals with my views and his religion is another story.

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Gee, question after question!  And I am courteous enough to answer you, despite the fact that you rarely, if ever answer any of mine.  Here are are some questions for you:

1.  Why is Mothra banned?
2.  Why is John Smith banned?
3.  Why is Unforgiven banned?
4.  Will their ban end and when?

Now back to you:

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Given that you openly refused to read the evidence, how can you now say what evidence was presented?


Easy.  You never presented the evidence when asked for it.

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If Gandalf was not a Muslim, would you have insisted he did not say those things you refuse to read him saying?


I insisted on nothing.  That's you verballing me.  My point was/is....given your refusal to provide an answer to my question, and given your appalling record on misrepresenting what your Members actually post.....I went with Gandalf, the Member.  You elected to conclude (in some bizarre way) that I elected to support him because he is Muslim.

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How do you expect anyone to answer that convoluted question, Effendi?

I'll answer it in the context of my point, this way.

1.  Something awful happens, suggestive that a Muslim might be involved.  Gordon will post...."I wonder what Mosque he goes to."

2.  Something awful happens, suggestive that maybe a Muslim might not be involved.  To mock Gordon and the endemic Islam bash here at OzPol....I ask, "I wonder what Mosque he goes to?"

Effendi, it is fact that here at OzPol many take the position that all violence is the work of Islam.

I take the piss out of that, and I wish I could be as terrific as Karnal is at it.
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So Christianity - your own culture in so far as you partake in Western civilisation - is a pox but gandalf's Islam that is trying to destroy your culture is some quest for personal fulfilment.
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Mark Knight sums up .....
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Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:01pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Gnads wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:46pm:
Gum tree?

Eucalyptus tree?

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No....we give them the names of people....like Harry, Marcia etc.


You'd be far better off and remember their names much more easily if you named them after politicians. They'd all be c\/nt tree. It's the patriotic thing to do.



Oh.....we do have a moot tree!  ('Moot' to rhyme with book.)


That's spelt "mut"

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Australian slang for a vagina.
"Oi! Show us ya mut!"


Moot .... like most of your points are usually moot.  Wink

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For Aussie:-

Unforgiven is banned because he is a blatant troll - nothing but.  Occasionally he comes up with something of value, but the rest is just pure crop-dusting and personal vitriol and other rubbish.

Not sure about the others, though... certainly none I've seen worse at personal nonsense than you, dear Aussie - when the mood strikes.  Look at the last couple of days dispassionately...

Mothra might get feminsty-touchy when the bottle hits at night... John Smith I've never understood being banned apart from his Italian blood ... Rhino had some good stuff to contribute and often a different view....

Anyway - apart from Unforgiven with his endless nonsense personal shyte - I don't know why any of them are banned....
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Do you remember accusing me of lying about what Gandalf said, then refusing to read the quotes when I presented them to you?


That is not what happened, but let's assume it was.  Whatever you want to call it.......it is not a defence of Islam or of Muslims.  It was an argument about who said what.

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The "except" is meaningless, unless you think Islam has an automatic association with violence.


Ah.....almost a lightbulb moment for you there Effendi! 

At OzPol...it is a given that 'Islam has an automatic association with violence.'  That is the point.  If there is violence mentioned here, on random occasions, I will ask the question (not mine....one used by the person I am mocking...and to mock OzPol's obsession with the issue)...."I wonder what Mosque they went to."


Are you saying Gandalf is not a Muslim, or that you were not defending him when you insisted he did not say the things you refused to read him saying?

Oh, and you also have a tendency to forget a conversation you had ten minutes ago.


The daily reports of Muslims stabbing and killing and attacking Infidels while  shouting 'Allahu Akbar' don't help their cause as the religion of peace and women's equality.

Maybe if they, as a group, constrained their more radical members, their reputation would not be so shot....... it's no good telling the family of that girl murdered on the London bridge that Muslims as a rule are not violent people.... or the grieving parents of the victims of the crowd bombing at a music festival... or the families of the Paris victims ... or the women raped for parading like cat meat .... or those in the Boston Marathon....

When a Muslim kills for Islam it is non-violent.... when a Christian bomb kills a warlord and his henchmen - that is violent Crusaderism... and utterly evil.

Double standard not??
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What cracks me up about the slimer scum is that you can mention terrorism.....and nothing happens. Yes terrorism is an american word designed to instill fear. Say "islamic terrorism" and the slimers go on a rampage. Guilty reaction...perhaps.  Roll Eyes

What about questioning them?
It starts out all smiles and lies...then throw a few facts at them and that stupid tongue accent comes out, the finger starts getting waved around and the fkkkers start yelling and talking over everyone as if they are the supreme person. Hilarious to watch.




I hate islam, as well as all religion but islam is at the top. They are cowards and they are liars....and all their little scumbag followers will sit quietly idle while their heavy handed wankers go bat shite crazy and deliberately hurt or kill innocent people. Why? Because they know themselves that they will be dead if they speak out. Much like the US gov tbh.

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Yes I did. I provided those quotes of Gandalf specifically in response to you denying he said it and demanding I provide evidence. You refused to read them, but continued denying he said it.

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Effendi, it is fact that here at OzPol many take the position that all violence is the work of Islam.


A) This is not just wrong. It is stupid.

B) Your response to this is a defence of Islam. You do not even know what you yourself are doing.
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freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


false logic FD. The commonality of Serena's "group" is that she is African American. That is not, and need not be, a race. African Americans obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers that need not have anything to do with what you term "race".

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Grin only I'm not applying standards "based on race" - as explained above. Again, I can identify physical and/or cultural markers that lead to racism, without having to believe in "race".
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Yes I did. I provided those quotes of Gandalf specifically in response to you denying he said it and demanding I provide evidence. You refused to read them, but continued denying he said it.


Yes.....you did quote posts in which he used the term...but that did not establish which of you first used the term. 

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Effendi, it is fact that here at OzPol many take the position that all violence is the work of Islam.


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A) This is not just wrong. It is stupid.

B) Your response to this is a defence of Islam. You do not even know what you yourself are doing.


It is not wrong.  I give you Valkie and Mechanic as two obvious examples.  If there is violence or an act which might be thought to be terrorism, they will immediately introduce Muslim/Islam.  In the case of Gordon, he uses the expression I have adopted to mock his position ~ 'I wonder which Mosque he goes to."
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Why don't Muslim leaders come out in universal condemnation at the atrocities on a daily basis on innocent people in peaceful countries, the same countries that take them in, the silence is deafening.
These leaders (BS artists) are just adding to the atrocities by their inactions as the brainwashing continues.
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Someone should invent a new term similar to 'Godwin's Law' that describes the inevitability of any discussion on criticism of speech becoming an Islam-bashing exercise.
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It seems that freedom of speech should not include Islam.
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Hey Grand Mufti Alf, can you answer my question in the post above?
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Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:21pm:
So C4hristianity - your own culture in so far as you partake in Western civilisation - is a pox but gandalf's Islam that is trying to destroy your culture is some quest for personal fulfilment.


All cultures are not equal nor are all religions. That fact I think all religion is a pox does not mean that Christianity and Islam are equal. I think it's obvious which is more of a pox.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


false logic FD. The commonality of Serena's "group" is that she is African American. That is not, and need not be, a race. African Americans obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers that need not have anything to do with what you term "race".



What do YOU call those " obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers" if not Africa.  And what is 'African' if not a race? Or were Mandela and P.W Botha equally 'Africans?


Are you now competing with Bwian for chief stupid?






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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
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And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


false logic FD. The commonality of Serena's "group" is that she is African American. That is not, and need not be, a race. African Americans obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers that need not have anything to do with what you term "race".

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Grin only I'm not applying standards "based on race" - as explained above. Again, I can identify physical and/or cultural markers that lead to racism, without having to believe in "race".


Ah, so you are not racist, you just think a different standard should be applied to African Americans compared to say, white people? Which is nothing to do with race, unless someone (eg, a cartoonist) tries to apply the same standard to black people and white, in which case it is racism?

And races don't exist, but you can still be racist by being mean to Muslims?
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freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


false logic FD. The commonality of Serena's "group" is that she is African American. That is not, and need not be, a race. African Americans obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers that need not have anything to do with what you term "race".

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You not only believe in race, you are racist. The different standards you apply, based on race, without any other racist having to explain to you what racial group she belongs to, make race real.


Grin only I'm not applying standards "based on race" - as explained above. Again, I can identify physical and/or cultural markers that lead to racism, without having to believe in "race".


Ah, so you are not racist, you just think a different standard should be applied to African Americans compared to say, white people? Which is nothing to do with race, unless someone (eg, a cartoonist) tries to apply the same standard to black people and white, in which case it is racism?

And races don't exist, but you can still be racist by being mean to Muslims?



Waces don't exist, only wacists.  Islam is a religion of peace. Dhimmitue is liberation. Defacing women is for their own good. Islam is the most feminist weligion. Jihad is spiwitual.
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Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:09pm:
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And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


false logic FD. The commonality of Serena's "group" is that she is African American. That is not, and need not be, a race. African Americans obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers that need not have anything to do with what you term "race".



What do YOU call those " obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers" if not Africa.  And what is 'African' if not a race? Or were Mandela and P.W Botha equally 'Africans?


Are you now competing with Bwian for chief stupid?


So what "race" is Serena then Frank? Is she "African" or is she "negro" or is she "African American"? Is she from the same or different "race" to people with the same coloured skin living in the Nigerian Delta? At what point do you concede that what you consider a "race" could actually just as legitimately be a collection of many different "races"? How on earth do you define the term?

Its absurd in its arbitrariness. The notion of race that was concocted by white supremacists in the 18th an 19th century to reinforce their warped Darwinian idea of human hierarchy (which surprise surprise had the white/European "race" at the top) - is an anachronism, and frankly a complete insult to modern civilized society. For me it reached peak absurdity when FD boldly declared there to be one particular race called "the Asian one".

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So do you honestly believe "African" is one big monolithic 'race'? Let me guess, you arrive at that by excluding everyone who doesn't fit some completely random physical criteria like black skin and frizzy hair - right? And you're clearly not concerned by any cultural criteria. What about blacks in places like Sudan or Southern Egypt who are unmistakably linguistically and culturally arab? Are you now forced into the farcical position of having to argue that some Africans are not actually "African"?

What were you saying again about chief stupid?
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freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


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Grin only I'm not applying standards "based on race" - as explained above. Again, I can identify physical and/or cultural markers that lead to racism, without having to believe in "race".


Ah, so you are not racist, you just think a different standard should be applied to African Americans compared to say, white people? Which is nothing to do with race, unless someone (eg, a cartoonist) tries to apply the same standard to black people and white, in which case it is racism?

And races don't exist, but you can still be racist by being mean to Muslims?


race exists in the mind of the racist. That is enough to legitimacy say that 'racism' is a real thing. Not sure how many times I'll have to repeat this before it finally sinks in.

And "being mean" to muslims is not itself racist. Saying "racist" things like all muslims are lazy, or all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding is.
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Someone should invent a new term similar to 'Godwin's Law' that describes the inevitability of any discussion on criticism of speech becoming an Islam-bashing exercise.


'Effendi's Law'
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Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:45am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.


White non-Muslims commit the majority of those crimes.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:45am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.


White non-Muslims commit the majority of those crimes.


Have a look at the last 2 decades Pecca. There's a list of attempted and accomplished muslim nutjobs terrorist acts. And Muslims wonder why their community isn't popular.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:56am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:45am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.


White non-Muslims commit the majority of those crimes.


Have a look at the last 2 decades Pecca. There's a list of attempted and accomplished muslim nutjobs terrorist acts. And Muslims wonder why their community isn't popular.


Yep, there sure are.

However, the majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

It seems strange that you choose to ignore this fact.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:59am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:56am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:45am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.


White non-Muslims commit the majority of those crimes.


Have a look at the last 2 decades Pecca. There's a list of attempted and accomplished muslim nutjobs terrorist acts. And Muslims wonder why their community isn't popular.


Yep, there sure are.

However, the majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

It seems strange that you choose to ignore this fact.




Can you produce the lists of all these terrorist attacks this century please?
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Reply #230 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:37am:
freediver wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:09pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:35pm:
And you are wrong that only racists believe in race. You do too. That is how you were able to decide that Serena belongs to a particular group of people, whose only commonality is race


false logic FD. The commonality of Serena's "group" is that she is African American. That is not, and need not be, a race. African Americans obviously have distinctive physical and cultural identifiers that need not have anything to do with what you term "race".

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You not only believe in race, you are racist. The different standards you apply, based on race, without any other racist having to explain to you what racial group she belongs to, make race real.


Grin only I'm not applying standards "based on race" - as explained above. Again, I can identify physical and/or cultural markers that lead to racism, without having to believe in "race".


Ah, so you are not racist, you just think a different standard should be applied to African Americans compared to say, white people? Which is nothing to do with race, unless someone (eg, a cartoonist) tries to apply the same standard to black people and white, in which case it is racism?

And races don't exist, but you can still be racist by being mean to Muslims?


race exists in the mind of the racist. That is enough to legitimacy say that 'racism' is a real thing. Not sure how many times I'll have to repeat this before it finally sinks in.

And "being mean" to muslims is not itself racist. Saying "racist" things like all muslims are lazy, or all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding is.


If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?

If a person said they hate African Americans, would you accept their argument they are not racist because they mean the same thing as you do when you talk about applying different standards to African Americans versus white people?

Is it racist to say all Muslims believe in Muhammad?
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Reply #231 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:20pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 11:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:59am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:56am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:45am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.


White non-Muslims commit the majority of those crimes.


Have a look at the last 2 decades Pecca. There's a list of attempted and accomplished muslim nutjobs terrorist acts. And Muslims wonder why their community isn't popular.


Yep, there sure are.

However, the majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

It seems strange that you choose to ignore this fact.




Can you produce the lists of all these terrorist attacks this century please?


The majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

Why do you ignore this fact?

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Because you are lying Greg.
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freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Because you are lying Greg.


No.

It's a fact.

The majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

In fact, the vast majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 3:45pm:
Someone should invent a new term similar to 'Godwin's Law' that describes the inevitability of any discussion on criticism of speech becoming an Islam-bashing exercise.


'Effendi's Law'


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freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?


No FD, again the premise is wrong. I don't have to "know" what race Williams is to know whether or not she is a victim of racism. In this case depicting her as a beastly, hysterical Jim Crowe carricature so blatantly contrasted with the good, petite "white" opponent - is all I need to know. Just like i don't have to accept that muslims are some sort of race to know that saying "all muslims are lazy" or "all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding" is racist.

freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If a person said they hate African Americans, would you accept their argument they are not racist because they mean the same thing as you do when you talk about applying different standards to African Americans versus white people?


thats incoherent gibberish - but no.
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freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?


No FD, again the premise is wrong. I don't have to "know" what race Williams is to know whether or not she is a victim of racism. In this case depicting her as a beastly, hysterical Jim Crowe carricature so blatantly contrasted with the good, petite "white" opponent - is all I need to know. Just like i don't have to accept that muslims are some sort of race to know that saying "all muslims are lazy" or "all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding" is racist.




OK - would you credit Muslims' strong tendency - rather than all - for laziness and inbreeding?  After all, these attributes are not unrelated to reality - you woudn't be sensitive about them if they were not based on real attributes.

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Reply #237 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 9:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
Because you are lying Greg.


No.

It's a fact.

The majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

In fact, the vast majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

Who the bloody hell let YOU back in, Turd??  FFS!!!!! Don't we have enough shite already without you clogging up the S bend of Ozpolitics??






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Reply #238 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 9:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 11:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:59am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:56am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:54am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:45am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 10:43am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
Defacing women is for their own good.


Oh look, Frank once again cynically goes for the 'women's lib' moral card - hoping that no one notices that the quote in my sig proves him to be a complete hypocrite on this matter.

It's funny how you Muslims are always the victim when in fact members of your community have done more than the Australian public has done to you. Rapes, murders, terrorism etc etc etc.


White non-Muslims commit the majority of those crimes.


Have a look at the last 2 decades Pecca. There's a list of attempted and accomplished muslim nutjobs terrorist acts. And Muslims wonder why their community isn't popular.


Yep, there sure are.

However, the majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

It seems strange that you choose to ignore this fact.




Can you produce the lists of all these terrorist attacks this century please?


The majority of rapes, murders, and terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.

Why do you ignore this fact?




Because you have nothing.  Grin Where's the list I aked for?
Show me the list of them. Go worldwide ffs....just to give you a bit more room to move.... Cheesy
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The problem is when a non muslim commits a terrorist attack, it is not referred to as a terrorist attack.
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Raven wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 11:29pm:
The problem is when a non muslim commits a terrorist attack, it is not referred to as a terrorist attack.



FFS. WILL YOU LOT GIVE US AN EXAMPLE?


Don't just "type" retoric. Give us the story. You have obviously heard of instances that you believe to be terrorist acts caused by whites in the last 20yrs.....or.... you're just making up crap.
Now if you don't supply us with the stories then we can assume you're just pissing and moaning to, well as gregg has said in the past, even out the argument because it is to one sided round ere!!!  Grin
In laymens terms....you're trolling.

I can happily supply you with a comprehensive list of islamic terrorism. It is documented very well because it is rife.
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Reply #241 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:01am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 8:20am:
FFS. WILL YOU LOT GIVE US AN EXAMPLE?


How about the ~bi-monthly mass shootings that happen in the US?

But please do try and tell me how those victims somehow feel less "terorrised" than victims of "proper" terrorism.
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Reply #242 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:54am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:01am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 8:20am:
FFS. WILL YOU LOT GIVE US AN EXAMPLE?


How about the ~bi-monthly mass shootings that happen in the US?

But please do try and tell me how those victims somehow feel less "terorrised" than victims of "proper" terrorism.



Mass shootings. Hmmm. Okay
So lets say they are terrorist attacks. Bi monthly  = 24 a year, no? Ill even top it up to 50 a year for you because I'm a nice guy. 50 per year. Nearly 1 a week. 1 terrorist act per week by a white man, or non muslim as some like to incite....and that is exaggerated.

That's a drop in the ocean to whats happened this month in the name of Islam. Seems comprehension is a problem for some.



Look....I get that you are sick of having your religion bashed to pieces. No doubt you're an honest hard working Australian. The problem is that your book is being exploited by a lot of people, so we are being told, and nothing is being done about it.

Look at how crazy some people go after a mass shooting. Ban all guns blah blah blah. Yet when a bearded man gets on a video and tells the world that islam is number one etc etc and then shows him hacking the head off someone or setting fire to someone in the name of Allah....not a word is muttered, by anyone. Particularly you lot. I wonder why???
Perhaps intimidation by past events such as the paris incident....or the street muders in london....or as most people believe, 911. I actually stuck up for muslims when 911 happened but they didn't help themselves by fixing the problem.

We're told that it is impossible to identify the bad ones. Same can be said for bikies, yet here in Qld our piss weak gov created new laws and banned them from associating. They're terrorising the state! WTF??? I've never suffered their terrorism. I know a few club members and they're not the arseholes that are making headlines but none the less laws were introduced to clamp down on these bad bad people. Very quickly too. But not islam. We install crash barriers, tighten security, meander around this pox that is islam for fear of retribution. Because speaking out against islam is a crime to many islamists.

I guess we are sick to death of this crap happening and soon it will come to a head.

Now go and find more non muslim terrorist attacks because the ones you gave me are not adding up the the claims.
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Mass shootings. Hmmm. Okay
So lets say they are terrorist attacks. Bi monthly  = 24 a year, no? Ill even top it up to 50 a year for you because I'm a nice guy. 50 per year. Nearly 1 a week. 1 terrorist act per week by a white man, or non muslim as some like to incite....and that is exaggerated.

That's a drop in the ocean to whats happened this month in the name of Islam. Seems comprehension is a problem for some.


Apples with apples please. If our measure is just the west (as it should be in this case), then 50 attacks every year is definitely not a 'drop in the ocean'. I'd venture to say that the number of Islamic terrorist attacks in the whole of the west combined wouldn't reach 50 a year. Not to mention the body count.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:03am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:54am:
Mass shootings. Hmmm. Okay
So lets say they are terrorist attacks. Bi monthly  = 24 a year, no? Ill even top it up to 50 a year for you because I'm a nice guy. 50 per year. Nearly 1 a week. 1 terrorist act per week by a white man, or non muslim as some like to incite....and that is exaggerated.

That's a drop in the ocean to whats happened this month in the name of Islam. Seems comprehension is a problem for some.


Apples with apples please. If our measure is just the west (as it should be in this case), then 50 attacks every year is definitely not a 'drop in the ocean'. I'd venture to say that the number of Islamic terrorist attacks in the whole of the west combined wouldn't reach 50 a year. Not to mention the body count.



No. No west here mate.
Read the claim again.
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There is not "just" one attack per week by a non-muslim, if thats the claim you are referring to. I gave but one example, as you requested.

Presumably you want to include Afghanistan and Syria (the source of the majority of Islamic terrorism currently) - which you may not have noticed, are warzones.
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Kenya,  pakistan, Nigeria, iraq, thailand, india, Phillipines, Somalia, Egypt, Lebanon, chechnya....to name a few.

These attacks were carried out by self confessed muslims just this month alone.....not good for islamic reputation.....yet nothing is said.
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Rubbish caveman - most of those places you cited have as few terrorist attacks as us - if not less. You are just stereotyping. And India almost certainly has more terrorist attacks from non-muslim groups. Terrorism in Pakistan incidentally, is purely spillover from Afghanistan.
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Raven wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 11:29pm:
The problem is when a non muslim commits a terrorist attack, it is not referred to as a terrorist attack.


Another problem is the fact that Islamophobes only recognise mass killings carried out by tinted folk as 'terrorist attacks'.

The simple truth is, most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

And - getting back to the original statement - most other crimes are carried out by non-Muslims too.

In fact, white non-Muslims.
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The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:03am:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:54am:
Mass shootings. Hmmm. Okay
So lets say they are terrorist attacks. Bi monthly  = 24 a year, no? Ill even top it up to 50 a year for you because I'm a nice guy. 50 per year. Nearly 1 a week. 1 terrorist act per week by a white man, or non muslim as some like to incite....and that is exaggerated.

That's a drop in the ocean to whats happened this month in the name of Islam. Seems comprehension is a problem for some.


Apples with apples please. If our measure is just the west (as it should be in this case), then 50 attacks every year is definitely not a 'drop in the ocean'. I'd venture to say that the number of Islamic terrorist attacks in the whole of the west combined wouldn't reach 50 a year. Not to mention the body count.



Oh? So Islamic terrorism is OK if it's in the Third World and is Muslim-on- Muslim outrage? Then it's not Islamic terrorism and we should allow all those third world Mohammedans into the West because they kill fewer in the West  than they killed back home in Islamistan.

What exactly are you excusing or trying to cover up now, gandalf? because you are always trying to excuse and cover up something about Islam and Muslims

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Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

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There is not "just" one attack per week by a non-muslim, if thats the claim you are referring to. I gave but one example, as you requested.

Presumably you want to include Afghanistan and Syria (the source of the majority of Islamic terrorism currently) - which you may not have noticed, are warzones.


So a terrorist act in a war zone is not terrorism, same as a murder in a war zone is not murder?

OK.......

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251408/number-of-deaths-in-afghanistan-due-t...

Thousands of deaths a year... sure puts the West in the shade....
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Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 8:20am:
Raven wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 11:29pm:
The problem is when a non muslim commits a terrorist attack, it is not referred to as a terrorist attack.



FFS. WILL YOU LOT GIVE US AN EXAMPLE?


Don't just "type" retoric. Give us the story. You have obviously heard of instances that you believe to be terrorist acts caused by whites in the last 20yrs.....or.... you're just making up crap.
Now if you don't supply us with the stories then we can assume you're just pissing and moaning to, well as gregg has said in the past, even out the argument because it is to one sided round ere!!!  Grin
In laymens terms....you're trolling.

I can happily supply you with a comprehensive list of islamic terrorism. It is documented very well because it is rife.


Well lets look just at America in 2017:

A 64-year-old white man from Nevada opened fire on a crowd of more than 22,000 people at a country music festival in Las Vegas, killing more than 50 and wounding more than 200.

In August, a 20-year-old white Nazi sympathizer from Ohio sped his car into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, killing a woman and injuring at least 19 others.

In June, a 66-year-old white man from Illinois shot at Republican Congress members during an early morning baseball practice, severely wounding several people including Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the House of Representatives Majority Whip.

In March 2017, a 28-year-old white man from Baltimore traveled to New York City with the explicit aim of killing black men. He stabbed 66-year-old Timothy Caughman to death.

In May, a 35-year-old white man from Oregon named Jeremy Joseph Christian began harassing Muslim teenagers on a train in Portland, telling them “We need Americans here!” Two men interceded; Christian then stabbed and killed them both.

In fact, between 2001 and 2015, more Americans were killed by homegrown right-wing extremists than by Islamist terrorists, according to a study by New America, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington, DC.

A June 2017 study by Reveal and the Center for Investigative Reporting found a similar pattern:

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To quote the Centre

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From January 2008 to the end of 2016, we identified 63 cases of Islamist domestic terrorism, meaning incidents motivated by a theocratic political ideology espoused by such groups as the Islamic State. The vast majority of these (76 percent) were foiled plots, meaning no attack took place.

During the same period, we found that right-wing extremists were behind nearly twice as many incidents: 115. Just over a third of these incidents (35 percent) were foiled plots. The majority were acts of terrorist violence that involved deaths, injuries or damaged property.

Right-wing extremist terrorism was more often deadly: Nearly a third of incidents involved fatalities, for a total of 79 deaths, while 13 percent of Islamist cases caused fatalities. (The total deaths associated with Islamist incidents were higher, however, reaching 90, largely due to the 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood in Texas.)

Incidents related to left-wing ideologies, including ecoterrorism and animal rights, were comparatively rare, with 19 incidents causing seven fatalities – making the shooting attack on Republican members of Congress earlier this month somewhat of an anomaly.

Nearly half (48 percent) of Islamist incidents in our database were sting operations, more than four times the rate for far-right (12 percent) or far-left (10.5 percent) incidents.


Looking at the previous graphic showing domestic terrorism incidents by type you can see that a large number of Right wing terrorist acts are not foiled.

This underscores another disparity: the federal government’s disproportionate commitment of investigative resources to rooting out Islamist terrorism.

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Trump's muslim ban is interesting, considering:

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While a majority of the incidents were perpetrated by right-wing extremists, the database indicates that federal law enforcement agencies focused their energies on pre-empting and prosecuting Islamist attacks, which constituted 31 percent of all incidents, a finding confirmed by counterterror experts.

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For instance, 84 percent of Islamist incidents resulting in arrests involved terrorism charges, and all the law enforcement resources that implies, as opposed to 9 percent of far-right incidents.

These terrorist attacks are constantly occurring, but the general population doesn't know about them because they aren't being reported.
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Reply #254 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....
We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.
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Rubbish caveman - most of those places you cited have as few terrorist attacks as us - if not less. You are just stereotyping. And India almost certainly has more terrorist attacks from non-muslim groups. Terrorism in Pakistan incidentally, is purely spillover from Afghanistan.



Can you show me the attacks by non muslims or not?
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Reply #256 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?
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Reply #257 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.
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Reply #258 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?
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Reply #259 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:51pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birrhday present.
Im curious.  Cheesy

Feel free to look it up. Use whatever source you require. It's all there.
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Reply #260 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?

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Reply #261 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.

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Reply #262 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.



I don't defend any religion.

I find them all quite silly.

Do you have any other questions for me?

I'm curious.
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Reply #263 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.



I don't defend any religion.

I find them all quite silly.

Do you have any other questions for me?

I'm curious.



Yes.

Can I have the names of the white terrorists so I can condemn them please.



Thank you for admitting that islamist children are being taught to decapitate humans. I could of sworn you were defending them though. Glad we sorted that one.
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Reply #264 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.



I don't defend any religion.

I find them all quite silly.

Do you have any other questions for me?

I'm curious.



Yes.

Can I have the names of the white terrorists so I can condemn them please.



Thank you for admitting that islamist children are being taught to decapitate humans. I could of sworn you were defending them though. Glad we sorted that one.


Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?

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Reply #265 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 12:24am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?



Wow - that really puts the Serena Hip-Hop in perspective for us... if you're still worrying about Jack the Dutchie, change the content of your water over there....

....and at least Jack got after Asians and such ...... (his words not mine).... not just anyone in the street or on a London Bridge or at a rock concert....
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Reply #266 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 1:39am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 12:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?



Wow - that really puts the Serena Hip-Hop in perspective for us... if you're still worrying about Jack the Dutchie, change the content of your water over there....

....and at least Jack got after Asians and such ...... (his words not mine).... not just anyone in the street or on a London Bridge or at a rock concert....


You're an apologist for white Australian terrorists now?

Why aren't I surprised?

You really do sicken me.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 1:39am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 12:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?



Wow - that really puts the Serena Hip-Hop in perspective for us... if you're still worrying about Jack the Dutchie, change the content of your water over there....

....and at least Jack got after Asians and such ...... (his words not mine).... not just anyone in the street or on a London Bridge or at a rock concert....


You're an apologist for white Australian terrorists now?

Why aren't I surprised?

You really do sicken me.



.. and you are absolutely losing the plot with your nonsense.... we were talking about Serena's tantrum - now it's become just another Peccary craze along with the personal insults over nothing of any real meaning.

You really are a troll, Greg.. and it's way beneath you.... but don't let me explain it to you.

When have I ever been an apologist for any terrorist?  You, on the other hand, perpetually seek to dilute certain strains of terrorism by referring to incidents long ago and far away... and often of far less actual impact.

THAT, my son - is being an apologist for terrorists.

Contrary to your apologism for Muslim terrorism, Jack was hunted down without mercy and sent to prison IN THIS NATION... most Middle Eastern etc Muslim terrorists are never caught and do it again... and their society is so disjointed that they are rarely caught.

.. and yet you bring up total irrelevancies as if they have meaning here and now...

I give up on you... you ARE a troll.
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Now - FFS - the issue is Serena's outburst... and a cartoon about it....

She's a bloody terrorist according to peccary ... (you're fired, BTW)....
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Reply #269 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 2:22am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 2:18am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 1:39am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 12:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?



Wow - that really puts the Serena Hip-Hop in perspective for us... if you're still worrying about Jack the Dutchie, change the content of your water over there....

....and at least Jack got after Asians and such ...... (his words not mine).... not just anyone in the street or on a London Bridge or at a rock concert....


You're an apologist for white Australian terrorists now?

Why aren't I surprised?

You really do sicken me.



.. and you are absolutely losing the plot with your nonsense.... we were talking about Serena's tantrum - now it's become just another Peccary craze along with the personal insults over nothing of any real meaning.

You really are a troll, Greg.. and it's way beneath you.... but don't let me explain it to you.

When have I ever been an apologist for any terrorist?  You, on the other hand, perpetually seek to dilute certain strains of terrorism by referring to incidents long ago and far away... and often of far less actual impact.

THAT, my son - is being an apologist for terrorists.

Contrary to your apologism for Muslim terrorism, Jack was hunted down without mercy and sent to prison IN THIS NATION... most Middle Eastern etc Muslim terrorists are never caught and do it again... and their society is so disjointed that they are rarely caught.

.. and yet you bring up total irrelevancies as if they have meaning here and now...

I give up on you... you ARE a troll.


You sicken me.


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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?


No FD, again the premise is wrong. I don't have to "know" what race Williams is to know whether or not she is a victim of racism. In this case depicting her as a beastly, hysterical Jim Crowe carricature so blatantly contrasted with the good, petite "white" opponent - is all I need to know. Just like i don't have to accept that muslims are some sort of race to know that saying "all muslims are lazy" or "all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding" is racist.

freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If a person said they hate African Americans, would you accept their argument they are not racist because they mean the same thing as you do when you talk about applying different standards to African Americans versus white people?


thats incoherent gibberish - but no.


Grin Grin That's because you you perceive racism in everything said or done by white people ... because only white people are racists .... yes?

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Reply #271 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 7:19am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



You clown  Grin Grin
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Reply #272 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:04pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 7:19am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



You clown  Grin Grin




He has a habit of leaving out the word "islamic".

They prevent ram raids from all Australian islamic criminals.


Real Aussies couldnt be bothered ram raiding the federal police station, they're to busy working....but a group with a chip on their shoulder like islamic criminals have all the time in the world to set up such an event. They don't work and with the help of people like gregg...they'll get it done.  Wink

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Reply #273 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.



I don't defend any religion.

I find them all quite silly.

Do you have any other questions for me?

I'm curious.



Yes.

Can I have the names of the white terrorists so I can condemn them please.



Thank you for admitting that islamist children are being taught to decapitate humans. I could of sworn you were defending them though. Glad we sorted that one.


Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?




Really?
That's the best you've got. A bloody arsonist. How many people did this bloke kill seeing as he is the only person you can think of? You must know a bit about him.
Half Javan (heavily influenced muslim country...bali bombers home)  half Belgian. Thought you said he was white???
You color blind or something??? Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #274 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.



I don't defend any religion.

I find them all quite silly.

Do you have any other questions for me?

I'm curious.



Yes.

Can I have the names of the white terrorists so I can condemn them please.



Thank you for admitting that islamist children are being taught to decapitate humans. I could of sworn you were defending them though. Glad we sorted that one.


Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?




Really?
That's the best you've got. A bloody arsonist. How many people did this bloke kill seeing as he is the only person you can think of? You must know a bit about him.
Half Javan (heavily influenced muslim country...bali bombers home)  half Belgian. Thought you said he was white???
You color blind or something??? Grin Grin Grin


Another apologist for white, non-Muslim terrorism.

Dear oh dear.
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Reply #275 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:21pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:11pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:02pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Well?




I do condem them. I have no problem condeming them at all. Give me the names of the ones you want condemed for their terrorist attacks please. Ill happily ablige.

BTW. I have a clean record....but I don't assume the societal life as you do. You see. I have no problem dealing with matters myself...but I've already told you that.


Now....your turn...


Why do you defend a religion that teaches its children to decapitate humans.....then post pictures on the net of them holding the heads up as they smile....like they've just been given a birthday present. 
Im curious.  





Don't forget to get the names of those white terrorists for me.



I don't defend any religion.

I find them all quite silly.

Do you have any other questions for me?

I'm curious.



Yes.

Can I have the names of the white terrorists so I can condemn them please.



Thank you for admitting that islamist children are being taught to decapitate humans. I could of sworn you were defending them though. Glad we sorted that one.


Jack Van Tongren is one of the worst terrorists we've seen here in Perth.

A white, non-Muslim responsible for about 20 terrorist attacks.

I'm curious, though, why do you need their names - can't you just condemn all white non-Muslim terrorists, in a general sense?

I do.

In fact, I condemn all terrorists - no matter what name they may have.

It's a shame you refuse to do the same thing.

You're not a white Australian terrorist by any chance, are you?




Really?
That's the best you've got. A bloody arsonist. How many people did this bloke kill seeing as he is the only person you can think of? You must know a bit about him.
Half Javan (heavily influenced muslim country...bali bombers home)  half Belgian. Thought you said he was white???
You color blind or something??? Grin Grin Grin


Another apologist for white, non-Muslim terrorism.

Dear oh dear.



Can't answer the question hey.


White flag accepted.........as you were.  Grin Grin Grin
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Why do we have so many apologists for non-Muslim terrorists in here?

Do they have a vested interest?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Why do we have so many apologists for non-Muslim terrorists in here?

Do they have a vested interest?



Who are these non muslim terrorists????

I have asked you several times to list them.....AND YOU CAN'T!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA.
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Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Why do we have so many apologists for non-Muslim terrorists in here?

Do they have a vested interest?



Who are these non muslim terrorists????

I have asked you several times to list them.....AND YOU CAN'T!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA.


The list is far too long to be contained with one internet forum.

The vast majority of terrorists are not Muslims.

This is an undeniable fact.

The big mystery is, why do you make excuses for them all the time?

What's in it for you?

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Reply #279 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Why do we have so many apologists for non-Muslim terrorists in here?

Do they have a vested interest?



Who are these non muslim terrorists????

I have asked you several times to list them.....AND YOU CAN'T!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA.


The list is far too long to be contained with one internet forum.

The vast majority of terrorists are not Muslims.

This is an undeniable fact.

The big mystery is, why do you make excuses for them all the time?

What's in it for you?




Well just list 200 of them.  Grin

Go on. Give it a go..... bet you can't.  Grin Grin


Not looking good for you. White flag after white flag and now your flapping it round hysterically trying to get me to disappear. I will....when you give me the 200 names I've asked for....from a list so long it will crash this forum.


Face it dude. You've been owned and you can't back out.  Grin Grin Grin
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Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Why do we have so many apologists for non-Muslim terrorists in here?

Do they have a vested interest?



Who are these non muslim terrorists????

I have asked you several times to list them.....AND YOU CAN'T!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA.


The list is far too long to be contained with one internet forum.

The vast majority of terrorists are not Muslims.

This is an undeniable fact.

The big mystery is, why do you make excuses for them all the time?

What's in it for you?




Well just list 200 of them.  Grin

Go on. Give it a go..... bet you can't.  Grin Grin


Not looking good for you. White flag after white flag and now your flapping it round hysterically trying to get me to disappear. I will....when you give me the 200 names I've asked for....from a list so long it will crash this forum.


Face it dude. You've been owned and you can't back out.  Grin Grin Grin


It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you lot.  Seriously.

"Most of the designated terrorist groups in the US are right-wing extremists, not Muslim, according to a new report."

Majority of terrorists who have attacked America are not Muslim, new study finds

It's just not a challenge any more.

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Why do you make it so easy for me?

"A joint project by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute, a nonprofit media centre, and news outlet Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting took a look at the 201 designated terrorism incidents within the US from 2008 to 2016."


The results: “right-wing extremists were behind nearly twice as many incidents” as terror acts associated with those identified as “Islamist domestic terrorism”.

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Reply #282 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:08pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 3:35pm:
Why do we have so many apologists for non-Muslim terrorists in here?

Do they have a vested interest?



Who are these non muslim terrorists????

I have asked you several times to list them.....AND YOU CAN'T!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA.


The list is far too long to be contained with one internet forum.

The vast majority of terrorists are not Muslims.

This is an undeniable fact.

The big mystery is, why do you make excuses for them all the time?

What's in it for you?




Well just list 200 of them.  Grin

Go on. Give it a go..... bet you can't.  Grin Grin


Not looking good for you. White flag after white flag and now your flapping it round hysterically trying to get me to disappear. I will....when you give me the 200 names I've asked for....from a list so long it will crash this forum.


Face it dude. You've been owned and you can't back out.  Grin Grin Grin


It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you lot.  Seriously.

"Most of the designated terrorist groups in the US are right-wing extremists, not Muslim, according to a new report."

Majority of terrorists who have attacked America are not Muslim, new study finds

It's just not a challenge any more.




Bwahahahaha.
The "independent"
Bwahahahaha.

You said the list would crash this site...... Grin
And you give me some article by a media site called "the independent".
Bwahahahaha.


Wanna have another go champ?
As Lleyton would scream "C'MON"!

I'm humming the Benny Hill tune on your behalf.  Grin

Talk about simple.
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Reply #283 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:05pm:
Why do you make it so easy for me?

"A joint project by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute, a nonprofit media centre, and news outlet Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting took a look at the 201 designated terrorism incidents within the US from 2008 to 2016."


The results: “right-wing extremists were behind nearly twice as many incidents” as terror acts associated with those identified as “Islamist domestic terrorism”.




Again.
Bwahahahaha.

Propaganda now hey?
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Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:05pm:
Why do you make it so easy for me?

"A joint project by the Investigative Fund at the Nation Institute, a nonprofit media centre, and news outlet Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting took a look at the 201 designated terrorism incidents within the US from 2008 to 2016."


The results: “right-wing extremists were behind nearly twice as many incidents” as terror acts associated with those identified as “Islamist domestic terrorism”.




Again.
Bwahahahaha.

Propaganda now hey?


Propaganda?

Official statistics.

This is just way too easy.

"The report identified 63 incidents involving those “motivated by a theocratic political ideology espoused by such groups as the Islamic State”. In that time period, this includes the San Bernardino shootings and Boston Marathon bombings, among others.

"Right-wing extremists, often white supremacists, were responsible for 115 incidents within the same period."


Dear oh dear.

115 is more than 63, isn't it?

Year 9 maths, innit?

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Oh my goodness!

"around 33 per cent of right-wing extremist incidents involved deaths versus 13 per cent of Islamist terror acts."

And still the OzPol apologists make excuses for these murderers.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes
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This is too easy.
So we've moved to America for our stats.
Is that because America has white supremacy running rife still in some towns?
The world knows this and I have said it before that America has a lot to answer for. Their polliticians are some of the worste terrorists in the world....again, somethimg you fail to recognise that I have said in the past.

How about we look at THE WHOLE WORLD???? or if you like to even things up as you do....muslim countries.
Ya matt mate gandalf tried the "well in this particular country" line..... Grin


Like I said. Too easy.


And you still appologise for islamic terrorism.
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Lol   Grin

"I wasn't talking about America".

You apologists for non-Muslim terrorists crack me up   Wink
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Lol   Grin

"I wasn't talking about America".

You apologists for non-Muslim terrorists crack me up   Wink


That is the feeds that YOU supplied me, is it not?  Grin
You have a better side step than Alfie Langer.


Tell me....is there white supremacists terrorising muslims in muslim countries?


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Reply #289 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 10:22pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:41pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:36pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 9:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 7:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 2:58pm:
The days of Muslim immigration and many other forms of immigration  are coming to an end in the west. People are starting to really rebel against it. The scumbag Muslims put everybody off them. The scumbag Muslims did my work for me. They couldn't control themselves.


What about the scumbag white, Australian non-Muslims who carry out the majority of crimes in this country?

Why do you never condemn their actions?

Too close to home?

I'm curious.



Because stealing a car....as opposed to strapping a bomb to your kid and sending it off to matyr, is petty.
Recently there were Aussie islamic kids under the age of 10 pictured with severed heads in Syria. I couldn't give a shyte if it's a war zone btw. Now......you're all precious about the girl and the anthem....what's your thoughts on islamic children holding up decapitated heads? I'm curious.


Also.....

We don't have concrete barriers outside major centers because of car theives now do we? There not there because dazza is on the piss and belting up shazza and gazza again. No. What about Zmir Azwill taking out carl berg because he owed him 50k for the recent ice deal. No. Chen mayo scamming 500k on credit card fraud.....No chen isn't a threat either.
Who could it be you think???
I know.
It's the weak as piss islamists who will strike when you least expect it. Wanting to kill people they don't even know for the sake of their stupid bloody book.....oh but they interpret it all wrong. To bad. Noone seems to be helping them "get it right". They just close the doors and windows and let it fester.


Yes, we do.

They're there to prevent ram raids from white Australian criminals.

Why do you continue to defend these criminals?

I'm curious.

Too close to home, perhaps?



Why do repeatedly defend a religion killing people world wide....Im curious.


I've never defended Christianity, or any other religion for that matter.

So, are you a white Australian criminal - is that why you won't condemn white Australian criminals?


Grin Grin Angry
Bugger off, Bwian, you stupid clown.

(For that gweggy ijit IS Bwian the halfwit clown)

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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?


No FD, again the premise is wrong. I don't have to "know" what race Williams is to know whether or not she is a victim of racism. In this case depicting her as a beastly, hysterical Jim Crowe carricature so blatantly contrasted with the good, petite "white" opponent - is all I need to know. Just like i don't have to accept that muslims are some sort of race to know that saying "all muslims are lazy" or "all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding" is racist.

freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If a person said they hate African Americans, would you accept their argument they are not racist because they mean the same thing as you do when you talk about applying different standards to African Americans versus white people?


thats incoherent gibberish - but no.


So how come you can talk your way out of being a racist, despite applying a different standard to African Americans vs white people, but others can't?
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Reply #291 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 9:12am
 
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greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:31pm:
Lol   Grin

"I wasn't talking about America".

You apologists for non-Muslim terrorists crack me up   Wink


That is the feeds that YOU supplied me, is it not?  Grin
You have a better side step than Alfie Langer.


Tell me....is there white supremacists terrorising muslims in muslim countries?




Bloody Anglicans.....
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Reply #292 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 9:16am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 21st, 2018 at 4:17pm:
Oh my goodness!

"around 33 per cent of right-wing extremist incidents involved deaths versus 13 per cent of Islamist terror acts."

And still the OzPol apologists make excuses for these murderers.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes


.... and the number of deaths from Muslim incidents left the others in the shade... especially when you consider that even nowadays in Northern Ireland 'terrorism' consists mainly of 'threats' .. whereas keeping guns out of the hands of Muslims affects directly the death toll..

Oh - so only 13% of Musso incidents resulted in mega-death?  How nice...
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freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2018 at 11:44am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?


No FD, again the premise is wrong. I don't have to "know" what race Williams is to know whether or not she is a victim of racism. In this case depicting her as a beastly, hysterical Jim Crowe carricature so blatantly contrasted with the good, petite "white" opponent - is all I need to know. Just like i don't have to accept that muslims are some sort of race to know that saying "all muslims are lazy" or "all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding" is racist.

freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If a person said they hate African Americans, would you accept their argument they are not racist because they mean the same thing as you do when you talk about applying different standards to African Americans versus white people?


thats incoherent gibberish - but no.


So how come you can talk your way out of being a racist, despite applying a different standard to African Americans vs white people, but others can't?


I didn't say they can't.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 24th, 2018 at 8:42am:
freediver wrote on Sep 22nd, 2018 at 11:44am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If race does not exist in your mind, how were you able to know what race Williams was, and hence how to twist the cartoon into racism?


No FD, again the premise is wrong. I don't have to "know" what race Williams is to know whether or not she is a victim of racism. In this case depicting her as a beastly, hysterical Jim Crowe carricature so blatantly contrasted with the good, petite "white" opponent - is all I need to know. Just like i don't have to accept that muslims are some sort of race to know that saying "all muslims are lazy" or "all muslims are retarded due to inbreeding" is racist.

freediver wrote on Sep 19th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
If a person said they hate African Americans, would you accept their argument they are not racist because they mean the same thing as you do when you talk about applying different standards to African Americans versus white people?


thats incoherent gibberish - but no.


So how come you can talk your way out of being a racist, despite applying a different standard to African Americans vs white people, but others can't?


I didn't say they can't.


So what is the distinction between you and someone who hates African Americans, but like you, claims that race does not exist?
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I don't "hate" any so called 'racial' equivalent of "African Americans" FD.

Wow that was easy.
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polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 25th, 2018 at 1:48pm:
I don't "hate" any so called 'racial' equivalent of "African Americans" FD.

Wow that was easy.


So you are both racists, and the only difference is you are not a hater?
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