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Reply #45 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:49pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Part of the problem I think is the desensitising of kids in our culture- the emergence of of video games where kids do get to act out very graphic violence against what we say is a make believe opponent  ( but real to them) on screen but use a big knife to take his/her head off- society is much more accepting of violence where it once wasnt- a child raised on a diet of violence in any form is going to be fiundamentally changed as a result of what seems to them like the "norm"- - if any parent has taken any notice of what our kids are playing in the quite of their private world/ rooms- grand theft auto is one- the war games- call of duty etc-all deal in the worset aspects of our cuture- re death cruelty etc- my son use to play some of these games and when he would stay over at his mates house sometimes he would also come into contact with porn- another aggressive act against another human in the eyes of an innocnet child- its conditioning and even at the time I worried that my son played it for I feared the effect on his mental health- yes I should have just banned it but we dont like to deny our kids what other kids are able to do-  becuse its the norm for that peer group-  I think he is ok- he seems normal well adjusted- but we dont all start from the same place

I think this is generation is much different to their parents because of what we are allowing them to do and see- it comes back to parenting and commonsense- what they see and do matters

My son aged 10 was afraid of Gollum and had nightmares for quite a long time- Lord of the Rings- I didnt realise until I seen  him hiding behind the  sofa one day- the impact on young impressionable minds is not realised


What a load of cods wallop. My kids grew up with the start of these game all the way through to now, they don't kill people. I played the original Wolfenstein with my eldest, then doom and doom2 with my eldest and middle son. We played all these games as they and others evolved, no killings.

Stop trying to blame crap on games, people do bad poo whether there are games or not, how many murderers do you think played monopoly or hide and seek? The problem is with people.

edit: My brother aged 13 would not go outside at night, no way in hell. So when it was the dogs dinner time it was me who had to go collect their plates at night. Guess what, he never watched Lord of the Rings. He was just shyte scared of the dark for no rational reason.

You are entitled to your opinion-


It's backed up by research, not excuse makers.

link ?to this research???
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Reply #46 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:58pm
 
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Part of the problem I think is the desensitising of kids in our culture- the emergence of of video games where kids do get to act out very graphic violence against what we say is a make believe opponent  ( but real to them) on screen but use a big knife to take his/her head off- society is much more accepting of violence where it once wasnt- a child raised on a diet of violence in any form is going to be fiundamentally changed as a result of what seems to them like the "norm"- - if any parent has taken any notice of what our kids are playing in the quite of their private world/ rooms- grand theft auto is one- the war games- call of duty etc-all deal in the worset aspects of our cuture- re death cruelty etc- my son use to play some of these games and when he would stay over at his mates house sometimes he would also come into contact with porn- another aggressive act against another human in the eyes of an innocnet child- its conditioning and even at the time I worried that my son played it for I feared the effect on his mental health- yes I should have just banned it but we dont like to deny our kids what other kids are able to do-  becuse its the norm for that peer group-  I think he is ok- he seems normal well adjusted- but we dont all start from the same place

I think this is generation is much different to their parents because of what we are allowing them to do and see- it comes back to parenting and commonsense- what they see and do matters

My son aged 10 was afraid of Gollum and had nightmares for quite a long time- Lord of the Rings- I didnt realise until I seen  him hiding behind the  sofa one day- the impact on young impressionable minds is not realised


What a load of cods wallop. My kids grew up with the start of these game all the way through to now, they don't kill people. I played the original Wolfenstein with my eldest, then doom and doom2 with my eldest and middle son. We played all these games as they and others evolved, no killings.

Stop trying to blame crap on games, people do bad poo whether there are games or not, how many murderers do you think played monopoly or hide and seek? The problem is with people.

edit: My brother aged 13 would not go outside at night, no way in hell. So when it was the dogs dinner time it was me who had to go collect their plates at night. Guess what, he never watched Lord of the Rings. He was just shyte scared of the dark for no rational reason.




did your kids go to school set???....as well as play the games I mean?..

you do know how many adults get addicted to pokermachines.?   some only play once and they are hooked.....others like me can go years and then play for 5 min till I am bored witless....

I dont think agnes is blaming the games on murder but they do desensitise...young brains... at least thats what they said on 60 minutes... when they investigated kids not going to school since they turned 12   take the games away and the kids turn violent.....

this is a smoking gun.....


but what do you put all this unhappiness down too set???>.......why are some men wiping out their whole family..........

are we all becoming desensitised..... to kill one is bad enough and not feel anything....but 5 !!!!   what sort of people can do that.?
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Reply #47 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
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this father  is a crack addict   will that be his defence??????   

of course it will.....did he come from a dysfunctional childhood... I am sure he did...they will make as many excuses as they can to get the sympathy sentence....

and he will come out after many many hours of counselling...and addiction help....


Do you have any evidence to back that up?

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Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
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this father  is a crack addict   will that be his defence??????   

of course it will.....did he come from a dysfunctional childhood... I am sure he did...they will make as many excuses as they can to get the sympathy sentence....

and he will come out after many many hours of counselling...and addiction help....


Do you have any evidence to back that up?



its two different crimes....that father is the step father of Mason Lee.....sorry this is getting mixed up....


this is the latest on Perth..

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What we are alleging is that a blunt instrument and knives were used to cause the death of the persons at the house.”



what a vile way to kill 5 people.....

either way this parent will have all the help and protection under the sun wont he?..

just like Mason lees  parent...

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Reply #49 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm
 
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern.
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Reply #50 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Part of the problem I think is the desensitising of kids in our culture- the emergence of of video games where kids do get to act out very graphic violence against what we say is a make believe opponent  ( but real to them) on screen but use a big knife to take his/her head off- society is much more accepting of violence where it once wasnt- a child raised on a diet of violence in any form is going to be fiundamentally changed as a result of what seems to them like the "norm"- - if any parent has taken any notice of what our kids are playing in the quite of their private world/ rooms- grand theft auto is one- the war games- call of duty etc-all deal in the worset aspects of our cuture- re death cruelty etc- my son use to play some of these games and when he would stay over at his mates house sometimes he would also come into contact with porn- another aggressive act against another human in the eyes of an innocnet child- its conditioning and even at the time I worried that my son played it for I feared the effect on his mental health- yes I should have just banned it but we dont like to deny our kids what other kids are able to do-  becuse its the norm for that peer group-  I think he is ok- he seems normal well adjusted- but we dont all start from the same place

I think this is generation is much different to their parents because of what we are allowing them to do and see- it comes back to parenting and commonsense- what they see and do matters

My son aged 10 was afraid of Gollum and had nightmares for quite a long time- Lord of the Rings- I didnt realise until I seen  him hiding behind the  sofa one day- the impact on young impressionable minds is not realised


What a load of cods wallop. My kids grew up with the start of these game all the way through to now, they don't kill people. I played the original Wolfenstein with my eldest, then doom and doom2 with my eldest and middle son. We played all these games as they and others evolved, no killings.

Stop trying to blame crap on games, people do bad poo whether there are games or not, how many murderers do you think played monopoly or hide and seek? The problem is with people.

edit: My brother aged 13 would not go outside at night, no way in hell. So when it was the dogs dinner time it was me who had to go collect their plates at night. Guess what, he never watched Lord of the Rings. He was just shyte scared of the dark for no rational reason.




did your kids go to school set???....as well as play the games I mean?..

you do know how many adults get addicted to pokermachines.?   some only play once and they are hooked.....others like me can go years and then play for 5 min till I am bored witless....

I dont think agnes is blaming the games on murder but they do desensitise...young brains... at least thats what they said on 60 minutes... when they investigated kids not going to school since they turned 12   take the games away and the kids turn violent.....

this is a smoking gun.....


but what do you put all this unhappiness down too set???>.......why are some men wiping out their whole family..........

are we all becoming desensitised..... to kill one is bad enough and not feel anything....but 5 !!!!   what sort of people can do that.?


Of course they went to school, they wouldn't have the jobs they do otherwise. Is it the poker machines problems or the "adults" problem, where does the problem lay? With people. As you said some people are broken, it's not the machine that breaks them, they are already broken before they play the machine.

60 mins sucks arse and is sensationalism for ratings sake, why do old people watch that crap? Is it as entertaining as a horror movie I wonder? That is pretty much what it is.

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Reply #51 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm
 
People are confronted with tragedy in their lives and it pulls the rug out from under them. Maybe a partner is killed in a car accident. That's "tragic" but that is built into nature.

What really traumatises people is when they are confronted with evil.

And they are traumatised in direct proportion to the degree that they are naive to the nature of evil.

Because most religious traditions , most philosophers, Nietzsche, Jung ,Adler recognised that evil resides within everyone of us.

And confronting that is no picnic.

It's why most people will never do it and that's totally to be expected but when they see this or Isis or the American shooters they tend to think these people must be mentally ill.

They aren't.

They are just like you and if you don't know that, then you are naive.

There is a very good book by chris browning called "ordinary men" from memory.

It details the experiences of a police unit of ordinary middle aged German civilian police who were sent to Poland to maintain order. They were old enough not to have been raised as hitler youth.but soon they were able to take women and children out into the fields and shoot them in the head.

See , when people think about , say, nazi Germany, they imagine themselves as the good guys hiding the Jews in their basement.
But the probability is that if the members of ozpolitics were German citizens, they would much more likely ended up as camp guards and not only that, they would have enjoyed it.

Until you know that about yourself and integrate it, you are far more dangerous then you think.
Until you descend into the underworld and do battle to conquer your own personal demons, you are a hairs breath away from sinking into a resentful and bitter state about life itself.
And if you want to make a statement about your bitterness and resentment of the suffering of humans (instead of accepting suffering as an act of nobility)
Then you are going to kill the innocents first.
That's why these people go after kids.
They are not insane and know exactly what they are doing.
They are judging in a bitter and resentful way that life itself is unbearable.

It's why , as we crap on religion, we crap on the idea that we must learn to suffer without complaint.
Modern man thinks he has a birth rite to happiness and he thinks of himself as virtuous.
I don't know if there is a more naive idea than that
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Reply #52 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:07pm
 
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:54pm:
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this father  is a crack addict   will that be his defence??????   

of course it will.....did he come from a dysfunctional childhood... I am sure he did...they will make as many excuses as they can to get the sympathy sentence....

and he will come out after many many hours of counselling...and addiction help....


Do you have any evidence to back that up?

link your stupidity aussie ? LINK!!!!!



its ok agnes  I am not sure  which parent I was talking about...

I am so sick of reading stuff like this....

either way they never seem  to serve a sentence equal to the crimes....
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Reply #53 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern. 

OK you and set dont subscribe to my theory so good for you both- but we are all entitled too our own opinions- so take a chill pill- opinions are like assholes- we all have one after all and mine is no more invalid than yours- I quite like Aquas post - there is a lot of sense in there- no hysterics

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Reply #54 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:20pm
 
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern. 

OK you and set dont subscribe to my theory so good for you both- but we are all entitled too our own opinions- so take a chill pill- opinions are like assholes- we all have one after all and mine is no more invalid than yours- I quite like Aquas post - there is a lot of sense in there- no hysterics



There were no hysterics in my posts either.
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Reply #55 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:20pm
 
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern. 

OK you and set dont subscribe to my theory so good for you both- but we are all entitled too our own opinions- so take a chill pill- opinions are like assholes- we all have one after all and mine is no more invalid than yours- I quite like Aquas post - there is a lot of sense in there- no hysterics



I no longer read Mr Ed's posts.  Why bother?  It was all repetitive crap....'Narrow road to success......' etc etc.

What is it that you fear?

This WA prick was a killer of the worst kind.  Stabbed/bludgeoned his victims to death, and that takes time.  He then kills Grandma 24 hours later.  What possible link can there be with "Call of Duty" etc?

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Reply #56 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:24pm
 
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern. 

OK you and set dont subscribe to my theory so good for you both- but we are all entitled too our own opinions- so take a chill pill- opinions are like assholes- we all have one after all and mine is no more invalid than yours- I quite like Aquas post - there is a lot of sense in there- no hysterics



Agnes, read the confessions of the columbine killers.
They will tell you exactly why they did it.

People think that these killers must have been bullied or mentally ill.
But how many people get bullied , maybe a good 10 % of the population.
And they don't kill.

It's a deep resentment and refusal to accept that life has inbuilt suffering.
And that's common.
And people become angry and bitter about it and they snap.
The answer is to teach people about their dark side and teach people that you are going to have several times in your life when you are going to suffer badly and you have no better plan then to accept it with nobility and then try to transcend it
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Reply #57 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:48pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:20pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern. 

OK you and set dont subscribe to my theory so good for you both- but we are all entitled too our own opinions- so take a chill pill- opinions are like assholes- we all have one after all and mine is no more invalid than yours- I quite like Aquas post - there is a lot of sense in there- no hysterics



I no longer read Mr Ed's posts.  Why bother?  It was all repetitive crap....'Narrow road to success......' etc etc.

What is it that you fear?

This WA prick was a killer of the worst kind.  Stabbed/bludgeoned his victims to death, and that takes time.  He then kills Grandma 24 hours later.  What possible link can there be with "Call of Duty" etc?

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yes Aussie a grizzly crime indeed and no excuse on the face of it- I say he was mentally ill- it wasnt over quickly and must have been horrifying to all involved- he may have been born with a mental illness that is all I have to offer - am sure more will come out later
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Reply #58 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:53pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:24pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 8:05pm:
Donnie Darko is a keen but moderate Gamer.  My Grandson and Granddaughter also play.  Lots of www 'killing.'  Just like I did and everyone else did.....we watched the Three Stooges belt the crap out of each other....and speaking for myself and mine....it was/is entertainment....I watched Movies as a kid where killing was soup of the day......Gee....here I am with clean hands, and zero concern. 

OK you and set dont subscribe to my theory so good for you both- but we are all entitled too our own opinions- so take a chill pill- opinions are like assholes- we all have one after all and mine is no more invalid than yours- I quite like Aquas post - there is a lot of sense in there- no hysterics



Agnes, read the confessions of the columbine killers.
They will tell you exactly why they did it.


People think that these killers must have been bullied or mentally ill.
But how many people get bullied , maybe a good 10 % of the population.
And they don't kill.

It's a deep resentment and refusal to accept that life has inbuilt suffering.
And that's common.
And people become angry and bitter about it and they snap.
The answer is to teach people about their dark side and teach people that you are going to have several times in your life when you are going to suffer badly and you have no better plan then to accept it with nobility and then try to transcend it

thanks Aqua I will look it up- you make a lot of sense to me
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Reply #59 - Sep 10th, 2018 at 9:15pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:58pm:
Cu Chulainn wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
Agnes wrote on Sep 10th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
Part of the problem I think is the desensitising of kids in our culture- the emergence of of video games where kids do get to act out very graphic violence against what we say is a make believe opponent  ( but real to them) on screen but use a big knife to take his/her head off- society is much more accepting of violence where it once wasnt- a child raised on a diet of violence in any form is going to be fiundamentally changed as a result of what seems to them like the "norm"- - if any parent has taken any notice of what our kids are playing in the quite of their private world/ rooms- grand theft auto is one- the war games- call of duty etc-all deal in the worset aspects of our cuture- re death cruelty etc- my son use to play some of these games and when he would stay over at his mates house sometimes he would also come into contact with porn- another aggressive act against another human in the eyes of an innocnet child- its conditioning and even at the time I worried that my son played it for I feared the effect on his mental health- yes I should have just banned it but we dont like to deny our kids what other kids are able to do-  becuse its the norm for that peer group-  I think he is ok- he seems normal well adjusted- but we dont all start from the same place

I think this is generation is much different to their parents because of what we are allowing them to do and see- it comes back to parenting and commonsense- what they see and do matters

My son aged 10 was afraid of Gollum and had nightmares for quite a long time- Lord of the Rings- I didnt realise until I seen  him hiding behind the  sofa one day- the impact on young impressionable minds is not realised


What a load of cods wallop. My kids grew up with the start of these game all the way through to now, they don't kill people. I played the original Wolfenstein with my eldest, then doom and doom2 with my eldest and middle son. We played all these games as they and others evolved, no killings.

Stop trying to blame crap on games, people do bad poo whether there are games or not, how many murderers do you think played monopoly or hide and seek? The problem is with people.

edit: My brother aged 13 would not go outside at night, no way in hell. So when it was the dogs dinner time it was me who had to go collect their plates at night. Guess what, he never watched Lord of the Rings. He was just shyte scared of the dark for no rational reason.




did your kids go to school set???....as well as play the games I mean?..

you do know how many adults get addicted to pokermachines.?   some only play once and they are hooked.....others like me can go years and then play for 5 min till I am bored witless....

I dont think agnes is blaming the games on murder but they do desensitise...young brains... at least thats what they said on 60 minutes... when they investigated kids not going to school since they turned 12   take the games away and the kids turn violent.....

this is a smoking gun.....


but what do you put all this unhappiness down too set???>.......why are some men wiping out their whole family..........

are we all becoming desensitised..... to kill one is bad enough and not feel anything....but 5 !!!!   what sort of people can do that.?


Crazy ones, cods... I too wish they'd take themselves out instead of others... maybe the state should do it for them, though I'm against the death penalty.  Couple of days in general prison population and accidental fall down the stairs into the showers.... slipped on a bar of soap and cracked his skull.... sad... sad...  Shocked
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