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Re: Indonesia 2004
Reply #30 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 4:57pm
 
Christianity will disintegrate as it simply can't withstand any honest investigating of the absolute evil in The Bible.

That's why you and others are scared of the truth, you prefer the status quo of daily bloodshed over being honest about The Bible.

You simply can't bring yourself to admit you're wrong, Moses.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 8:38pm
 
moses wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 3:44pm:
islam will disintegrate as it simply can't withstand any honest investigating of the absolute evil in the qur'an.

That's why you and others are scared of the truth, you prefer the status quo of daily bloodshed over being honest about the qur'an.

You simply can't bring yourself to admit you're wrong.


Can you say how it will disintegrate? You've alternated between Muslims taking themselves out and decent white people everywhere standing shoulder to shoulder and taking the Musel matter into their own hands - in the fullness of time.

So which is it?
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Reply #32 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
My point is, if what you say is true, you seem to be saying that your evidence for this particular smear on Islam is based on the opposite of what muslims actually said to you. But that shouldn't surprise anyone I suppose.

google: taqqiya


You give the same mealy mouthed excuses too Gandalf. You say that Muhammad extended freedom of religion to Jews. But you also say that it was OK to commit genocide against them because they were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. There is a tendency to take what Muslims say at face value, which is understandable because we are used to people being honest about their views, especially their religious views. But if they keep talking it soon becomes apparent that they mean the opposite of what they initially said. Another classic example was Abu's "different take" on words like democracy and freedom.

Obviously I do not base my view that Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy from the misleading platitudes that Muslims give about freedom and democracy, but when they go on to say that only Muslims should have the right to vote or run for office, that shariah law is the only platform they should be allowed to run on, and that genocide is how Muslims uphold human rights.
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Reply #33 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 4:25pm
 
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So which is it?


Selective comprehension kicked in again?

islam will implode under any thorough scrutiny of the innumerable verses of evil in the qur'an.

Honesty will simply show that the qur'an is nothing more that a handbook for islamic depravity.

So if allah/qur'an/muhammad got it all wrong, means no more islam.

This factor has the muslims and the apologists in a flap, as they all prefer the daily bloodshed over simply being truthful about the evil in the qur'an.

muslims are not the top 24 listed global terrorist organizations just by chance or coincidence.

islam is the cause, muslims eventually will have to own this fact, as people will get sick and tired of the misinterpretation / radicalized / (name your preferred excuse here) crap that's presently being sprouted by leftards and *moderates*.
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Reply #34 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:16pm
 
Moses, Moses, selective comprehension kicked in again?

Christianity will implode under any thorough scrutiny of the innumerable verses of evil in The Bible.

Honesty will simply show that The Bible is nothing more that a handbook for Christian depravity.

So if Christ got it all wrong, means no more Christianity.

This factor has the Christians and the apologists in a flap, as they all prefer the daily bloodshed over simply being truthful about the evil in The Bible.

Christians are not the top 50 listed global terrorist organizations just by chance or coincidence.

Christianity is the cause, Christians eventually will have to own this fact, as people will get sick and tired of the misinterpretation / radicalized / (name your preferred excuse here) crap that's presently being sprouted by Rightards and *moderates*.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:26pm
 
Brian do you actually believe there is no difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of promoting violence, or are you just incapable of stringing your own sentences together?
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Reply #36 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Moses, Moses, selective comprehension kicked in again?

Christianity will implode under any thorough scrutiny of the innumerable verses of evil in The Bible.

Honesty will simply show that The Bible is nothing more that a handbook for Christian depravity.

So if Christ got it all wrong, means no more Christianity.

This factor has the Christians and the apologists in a flap, as they all prefer the daily bloodshed over simply being truthful about the evil in The Bible.

Christians are not the top 50 listed global terrorist organizations just by chance or coincidence.

Christianity is the cause, Christians eventually will have to own this fact, as people will get sick and tired of the misinterpretation / radicalized / (name your preferred excuse here) crap that's presently being sprouted by Rightards and *moderates*.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
Brian do you actually believe there is no difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of promoting violence, or are you just incapable of stringing your own sentences together?


All that plus.



Brain aneurysm is coming you way, crazy, discombobulated  Bwian....  This is why your wife left you, this is why you are alone and shunned, Bwian.

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Reply #37 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:24pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Moses, Moses, selective comprehension kicked in again?

Christianity will implode under any thorough scrutiny of the innumerable verses of evil in The Bible.

Honesty will simply show that The Bible is nothing more that a handbook for Christian depravity.

So if Christ got it all wrong, means no more Christianity.

This factor has the Christians and the apologists in a flap, as they all prefer the daily bloodshed over simply being truthful about the evil in The Bible.

Christians are not the top 50 listed global terrorist organizations just by chance or coincidence.

Christianity is the cause, Christians eventually will have to own this fact, as people will get sick and tired of the misinterpretation / radicalized / (name your preferred excuse here) crap that's presently being sprouted by Rightards and *moderates*.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
Brian do you actually believe there is no difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of promoting violence, or are you just incapable of stringing your own sentences together?


All that plus.

Brain aneurysm is coming you way, crazy, discombobulated  Bwian....  This is why your wife left you, this is why you are alone and shunned, Bwian.

Idiocy.



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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, were you trying to say something useful, Soren?  Sorry, I can't see anything of value in your useless verbage.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


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Reply #38 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
There is a tendency to take what Muslims say at face value, which is understandable because we are used to people being honest about their views, especially their religious views. But if they keep talking it soon becomes apparent that they mean the opposite of what they initially said. Another classic example was Abu's "different take" on words like democracy and freedom.


The thing is, everything I've read from Abu has been notable for how unapologetically open and honest he is. He has abhorrent views to be sure, but I don't think he's been anything other than clear and honest about them. Every time you reference him its about some clear and open view of something, not a two-faced view that can only be gleaned from listening to the opposite of what he says. My guess is the FD 'listen to what muslims say' filter works something like:

muslim says something abhorent = truth
whereas muslims says something agreeable = being two-faced/mealy mouthed.
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Reply #39 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 3:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
There is a tendency to take what Muslims say at face value, which is understandable because we are used to people being honest about their views, especially their religious views. But if they keep talking it soon becomes apparent that they mean the opposite of what they initially said. Another classic example was Abu's "different take" on words like democracy and freedom.


The thing is, everything I've read from Abu has been notable for how unapologetically open and honest he is. He has abhorrent views to be sure, but I don't think he's been anything other than clear and honest about them. Every time you reference him its about some clear and open view of something, not a two-faced view that can only be gleaned from listening to the opposite of what he says. My guess is the FD 'listen to what muslims say' filter works something like:

muslim says something abhorent = truth
whereas muslims says something agreeable = being two-faced/mealy mouthed.


And your point is?
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Reply #40 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:24pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Moses, Moses, selective comprehension kicked in again?

Christianity will implode under any thorough scrutiny of the innumerable verses of evil in The Bible.

Honesty will simply show that The Bible is nothing more that a handbook for Christian depravity.

So if Christ got it all wrong, means no more Christianity.

This factor has the Christians and the apologists in a flap, as they all prefer the daily bloodshed over simply being truthful about the evil in The Bible.

Christians are not the top 50 listed global terrorist organizations just by chance or coincidence.

Christianity is the cause, Christians eventually will have to own this fact, as people will get sick and tired of the misinterpretation / radicalized / (name your preferred excuse here) crap that's presently being sprouted by Rightards and *moderates*.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
Brian do you actually believe there is no difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of promoting violence, or are you just incapable of stringing your own sentences together?


All that plus.

Brain aneurysm is coming you way, crazy, discombobulated  Bwian....  This is why your wife left you, this is why you are alone and shunned, Bwian.

Idiocy.



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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, were you trying to say something useful, Soren?  Sorry, I can't see anything of value in your useless verbage.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes





Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Those nuns, in Philip Larkin's immortal word, fcUKed up good and proper, Bwian. They didn't mean to but by Jesus, they did.




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Reply #41 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:57pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
There is a tendency to take what Muslims say at face value, which is understandable because we are used to people being honest about their views, especially their religious views.

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I am completely not used to Muslims being honest about their views. I am not alone.




muslim says something abhorent = truth
whereas muslims says something agreeable = being two-faced/mealy mouthed.



You have heard about the boy who cried wolf, haven't you?  The gist is, when you are found out to be untrustworthy because it is actually your Islamic policy lie strategically, don't act miffed when people treat you as untrustworthy.


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Reply #42 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:04pm
 
The old translation error or "taken out of context" when religion of peace cultists are caught saying what they really mean.
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Reply #43 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 8:49pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 1:23pm:
There is a tendency to take what Muslims say at face value, which is understandable because we are used to people being honest about their views, especially their religious views. But if they keep talking it soon becomes apparent that they mean the opposite of what they initially said. Another classic example was Abu's "different take" on words like democracy and freedom.


The thing is, everything I've read from Abu has been notable for how unapologetically open and honest he is. He has abhorrent views to be sure, but I don't think he's been anything other than clear and honest about them. Every time you reference him its about some clear and open view of something, not a two-faced view that can only be gleaned from listening to the opposite of what he says. My guess is the FD 'listen to what muslims say' filter works something like:

muslim says something abhorent = truth
whereas muslims says something agreeable = being two-faced/mealy mouthed.


He did the turd polishing thing for a few years before you turned up. That's why I started the wiki.
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Reply #44 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 3:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 7:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 10:24pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 7:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:16pm:
Moses, Moses, selective comprehension kicked in again?

Christianity will implode under any thorough scrutiny of the innumerable verses of evil in The Bible.

Honesty will simply show that The Bible is nothing more that a handbook for Christian depravity.

So if Christ got it all wrong, means no more Christianity.

This factor has the Christians and the apologists in a flap, as they all prefer the daily bloodshed over simply being truthful about the evil in The Bible.

Christians are not the top 50 listed global terrorist organizations just by chance or coincidence.

Christianity is the cause, Christians eventually will have to own this fact, as people will get sick and tired of the misinterpretation / radicalized / (name your preferred excuse here) crap that's presently being sprouted by Rightards and *moderates*.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2018 at 6:26pm:
Brian do you actually believe there is no difference between Christianity and Islam in terms of promoting violence, or are you just incapable of stringing your own sentences together?


All that plus.

Brain aneurysm is coming you way, crazy, discombobulated  Bwian....  This is why your wife left you, this is why you are alone and shunned, Bwian.

Idiocy.



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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, were you trying to say something useful, Soren?  Sorry, I can't see anything of value in your useless verbage.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes





Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Those nuns, in Philip Larkin's immortal word, fcUKed up good and proper, Bwian. They didn't mean to but by Jesus, they did.


"Nuns"?  I was only schooled by Nuns until the end of Grade Two when my dyslexia proved too much for them.   I then went to a State School - where I had an excellent educational experience before being hauled off to a School run by Marist Brothers, which was hell for free-thinker like myself.

Now, where did you go to school?  Let us guess?  "Play up!  Play up! And play the game!"  Hey?  They really converted you in to being a mini-British colonist, right, Soren?    Roll Eyes
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    There's a breathless hush in the Close to-night—
    Ten to make and the match to win—
    A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
    An hour to play and the last man in.
    And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
    Or the selfish hope of a season's fame,
    But his captain's hand on his shoulder smote
    "Play up! play up! and play the game!"

    The sand of the desert is sodden red,—
    Red with the wreck of a square that broke;—
    The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
    And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
    The river of death has brimmed his banks,
    And England's far, and Honour a name,
    But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
    "Play up! play up! and play the game!"

    This is the word that year by year,
    While in her place the school is set,
    Every one of her sons must hear,
    And none that hears it dare forget.
    This they all with a joyful mind
    Bear through life like a torch in flame,
    And falling fling to the host behind—
    "Play up! play up! and play the game!"


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