Chaos & Order 'both' work.
Like both hemispheres of the brain.
Just like Creationism & Evolution 'both' work.

Universal 'law' ...depends on the Court fees no?

Jasin wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:15pm:



You are right.
Creationism let us understand the universal rule from one side but Evolution is from another side.

Fee is explore, it is expensive.

Jasin wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:29pm:



Yes, 
right can mean get close to universal rule from different direction.

When 'we' are a part of the Universe,
That is destined we can not understand what is universal rule.
Unfortunately 

Because ‘Part ’are never ‘all’.

Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:



If we [mankind] had a firm comprehension of what our human experience and what our human consciousness encompass [i.e. the nature of the reality we experience, and the boundries which our human consciousness is 'contained within'], we would have a better understanding of what rules we ought to respect and why.

Some claim that the universe is continually and inexorably moving towards a state of balance and primal order.



A universal rule ?

Perhaps....
Do not oppose the truth(s) which are revealed to our consciousness by the universe [in our experience and interaction with, the universe] ?

Quote:



Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1454219198/4#4

Thanks Yadda.
Studying your linking.

By the way, as new in the forum, may I introduce myself:
1)
Looks is primal.
If who make a movie for Neanderthal, Timmy can play without Make-up.
2)
Thinking try to approach the primal universal rule.
3)
Careers were Data base analyst(1982-1989), Cleaner(1990-1991), Charcoal chicken kitchen hand(1991-1992), Personal computer retailer(1992-2004), Illumination accessory manufacture(2005-2017), and of cause a truth approacher.

When we argue what is right in different science civilization and religion.
The judge element is back to primal order instead using civilization science/religion.

personal idea.

Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:06pm:


There is no reason why humans wouldn't be able to work out what this "universal rule" is. If it is universal then it would apply to every single part, no matter how small.

What would you define as success and what would you define as difficulty?
These would mean different things to different people and the outcomes would depend on time scales and points of view. There is no universal rule for success.

Yadda wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 12:21pm:


You mean like you did with your claim that the universe is moving towards a state of balance and primal order with no proof or argument?


Quote:

The universal rule, as I recall, is "NO FAT CHICKS."

What does mean 'We can approach and obey the universal rule'?

I think all human being are not try to contrary it.
Because contrary universal rule would fault.
Human try to approach the universal rule and obey it.
Using it for getting benefit for human. 

What would you define as success and what would you define as difficulty?
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Good question

Success :
achieved some things that you want and have been trying to do or get; the fact of becoming rich or famous or of getting a high social position

Difficulty :

The state or quality of being hard to do or to understand; the effort that some things involves 

Dictionary say.

We realize success is get close to the universal rule, difficulty is leave farther.

It seems earlier we say A=1, then now say 1=A

If you realize there is a universal rule, approach it is success.
But the problem is who know you are success?
Practice may approve your prediction.

Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 9:45am:

What are these truths revealed to our consciousness and what is the universal rule?

Johnnie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:00am:


We don't know what is  universal rule exactly  as we say in first issue honestly.
But we can approach.
Science and civilization are tool and Achievements that is made us to get closer of universal rule.

Well, you could expect a Neanderthal spelling professional.
He pursues primal order, so poor in modern spelling and grammar.
Hopefully AI could get him a hand .

Is there any thing we know that is existence, but can not get it Exactly?
Would be, but samples are not universal rule.
Such as square root 2 which is  about 1.41,,,,, or pai is about 3.1415925,,,,,,,

Compare means that we try find who is more close.

well, this is a bad samples which is using math to show some universal rule.

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2018 at 10:39am:


Bullsh1t. You have some esoteric knowledge of reality? Prove it.

Tim Neanderthal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

The Universal Rule is always be good to your Mother.
Our consciousness is here and now and human evolution has come to a standstill, it probably wont get any better and it could get a lot worse.

Jasin wrote on Sep 11^th, 2018 at 10:39am:


So how do you see the rest of it? And what evidence do you have that there is more to see?

issuevoter wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 7:44am:


A very well said and 'fair' comment. I liked it and agree with it.
Alas, you put me in the same box as those bozos.
Oh well, maybe you missed the part in my membership here - where I'm often at loggerheads 'against' them, especially that It_is_the_Light fruitcake of very clever 'bullcrap' merchandising.

You gotta understand. I belong to as yet 'unofficialised' - REAL Australia.
I belong to an Australia that has an ARTIST (individual) as the most powerful person in this country and its the POLITICS that is for the poor (mass). A total 'reverse' of the USA.
But that 'future' is not just here yet.

So as you can see, I'm not like those Bozo's of 'mystery' and 'secret knowledge' empowerments.
I've 'studied and researched' since the age of 10.
The one thing I've learned, is that its still a work in progression.
I've 'discovered' things that you people would not believe. 
So yes - you could say I'm a bit  Because I have a pretty good picture of what where the world is trying to get to. Of the reason why, things happen (colonisations, why Aboriginals in Australia - but not in South America, etc).
If you get enough information and put it all together - the patterns start to emerge. It's a no different process than some FBI agent having to track down a murderer via the info he/she has. Eventually something comes through.

I mean - just look at why the three Old Worlds have three 'island nations' off them at the end: The Nippons, Madagascar & The British Isles.
Many 'coincidences' start emerging and those coincidences 'connect'. Culture, Race all come into it and sadly, even I admit - I've had to get my hands dirty with it, to get the job done. It's unavoidable, unless you just want to sweep it all under the rug, just to say "Look, I've got clean 'anti-racist' hands"

So you might see 'why' I can't just go out publish a book or have a Uni Degree to back me up.
I'm a bit more like the Faraday side of things.
I also only stick to the Internet and not have anything to do with the Media and the need to 'sell out' like that.

There are a few other 'serious' researchers like me out there. Not eccentrics, not conspiracy addicts. One of them, does have a book published and has helped Police on many an occasion. I'm probably the naughtiest of the lot.

Anyway.
You all know of the Political Map of the world with its borders. Well there is also an 'Artistic' Map and a few others. All together - they make more 'sense' of the World.
8 years ago, I had to destroy 20 years worth of work, by fire. ASIO wanted to get their hands on my stuff for their own selfish needs. (ironic considering my brother works for ASIO) - they didnt' approach me 'sanely' enough, you could say. They rocked up in their bullet-proof SUVs, walked through my gate and called me an "arsehole" for not letting them take something for 'free', just because they have 'power' (by default of the UK & USA).

excuse me,

     
The West is not the intentional enemy of Islam, but it should be.
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Religions are great step of human to universal rule.
If some one say God is universal rule. Timmy do not deny.
Different religions are approach universal rule from similar or different directions.

Why religions seems may cause conflict?
The reason may be they are argue right in their self religion direction.
Can we argue who is more close to universal rule? no way.
Because we don't know what is universal rule.

The result of practice may tell others if you are right or wrong.

Any universal rule must be a mental construct that helps interpret reality. I don't have an answer,

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Agree

I believe there is. In Hinduism it's called Karma. There's an autocorrection function to just about anything. Emerson explains this very well in his most prominent essay. He speaks about good and bad, crime, punishment...

For example, do something bad, and it's like the world has turned to glass. Wherever you go, you leave your traces. It's like the ground is now covered with finest snow and you cannot hide, never and nowhere.

Българин wrote on Nov 7^th, 2018 at 1:04am:


Hinduism and others religion.
were fecundated by some rule of universal.

issuevoter wrote on Nov 7^th, 2018 at 7:30am:


Karma is a superstitious myth. The plausibility of karma is based on a few anecdotes and on the general appeal of the idea that people will get what they deserve.

However if you follow that reasoning to it's logical conclusion it would suggest that bad things only happen to people who deserve it.

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 10^th, 2018 at 3:54pm:





not directly, 
through another organisms.