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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80333 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation Reply #45 - Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:26pm Make that man Ross up to Corporal - he knows how to defend an indefensible position...
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 39593	Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation Reply #46 - Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:53pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:26pm: Make that man Ross up to Corporal - he knows how to defend an indefensible position... Thank you, I made it to Sergeant.
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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #47 - Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:58pm

lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:06pm:

They are guides, not instructions.

Yes. Except of course "Students are to write strictly to the APA style regarding inclusive language".

So it is a guide that MUST be adhered to.

A Sandstone University? You mean like UWA?

http://www.hr.uwa.edu.au/policies/policies/equity/language

Again, a guide, not instructions. Yes, UWA is a Sandstone University. I don't think you'll find any with instructions on how to use language. Too touchy a subject for most Academics to accept.

The American Psychological Association are the bunch that once attempted to describe Homosexuality as a mental disease. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation Reply #48 - Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:59pm Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:53pm: Thank you, I made it to Sergeant. The Garbage Disposal Unit?
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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #49 - Sep 7^th, 2018 at 6:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:58pm:

The American Psychological Association are the bunch that once attempted to describe Homosexuality as a mental disease.

Yeah and it one of the top on line resources at Sydney.

"APA 6th Style - TOP 3 ONLINE RESOURCES

Referencing and Citation Styles APA 6th
Contains a useful short PDF guide to APA 6th Citation Style produced by the University of Sydney Library and referred to in the Sydney School of Education and Social Work's Little Blue Book.

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APA Style Blog
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https://libguides.library.usyd.edu.au/c.php?g=508120&p=3476756

"For more information on non-discriminatory language, our policy, and for language/writing/editing/tone-of-voice issues in general, please visit the University’s Style Guidelines."

http://blogs.usyd.edu.au/style/2010/07/unmanning_the_language_1.html

Behind the password locked gate.

BTW - What is the difference between a "Policy" and a "Suggestion"?

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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #50 - Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:18pm

lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:06pm:

They are guides, not instructions.

Yes. Except of course "Students are to write strictly to the APA style regarding inclusive language".

So it is a guide that MUST be adhered to.

A Sandstone University? You mean like UWA?

http://www.hr.uwa.edu.au/policies/policies/equity/language

I particularly liked:
Word order
Vary the order of listing pairs of nouns and pronouns when the customary way of presenting the pair reflects stereotyped views of status.

Instead of:                Use:
men and women       women and men
boys and girls          girls and boys

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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #51 - Sep 8^th, 2018 at 7:49am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 5:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

lee wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 3:04pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 2:38pm:

Have to have a tie breaker.. chairperson or whatever...

Or in the event of a tied vote the academics carry the day.

In social sciences? Sounds dangerous to me.... those SS strait jackets are pretty serious stuff these days.... non-PC and you're dead.

Bullshit, Graps. When was the last time you attended a University? I used to work in Tertiary education and still have many contacts amongst the academia. No one is "PC". Academic standing is far more important than political opinion. Much more so. Roll Eyes

No one PC? Grin

It pervades everything, even to the effect of changing history to suit their agenda.

This bloke pretty much some it & people like you up Brian.

(Heavy profanity)

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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #52 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:13am

lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 5:06pm:

They are guides, not instructions.

Yes. Except of course "Students are to write strictly to the APA style regarding inclusive language".

So it is a guide that MUST be adhered to.

A Sandstone University? You mean like UWA?

http://www.hr.uwa.edu.au/policies/policies/equity/language

Weird, APA style is a referencing system. Never seen it used about language of an essay

And when I go to the link provided there is no line stating
Students are to write strictly to the APA style regarding inclusive language.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #53 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:28am

Gnads wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 7:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 5:00pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 4:12pm:

lee wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 3:04pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 2:38pm:

Have to have a tie breaker.. chairperson or whatever...

Or in the event of a tied vote the academics carry the day.

In social sciences? Sounds dangerous to me.... those SS strait jackets are pretty serious stuff these days.... non-PC and you're dead.

Bullshit, Graps. When was the last time you attended a University? I used to work in Tertiary education and still have many contacts amongst the academia. No one is "PC". Academic standing is far more important than political opinion. Much more so. Roll Eyes

No one PC? Grin

It pervades everything, even to the effect of changing history to suit their agenda.

This bloke pretty much some it & people like you up Brian.

(Heavy profanity)

Well...... I think that covers it....

Australians
(inference against non-assimilated groups)
all let us rejoice
For we are young
(ageism)
and free
(goes without saying, infers some are not afforded the same rights)
,
With golden
(colour bar involved)
soil and wealth for toil
(aspersions on the unemployed, disabled and sick and new citizens and inference of slavery)
......

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Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation
Reply #54 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 1:49pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 10:13am:

And when I go to the link provided there is no line stating
Students are to write strictly to the APA style regarding inclusive language.

Because that statement was in relation to Curtin Uni.

lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 4:54pm:

https://healthsciences.curtin.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/
2015/11/CHAS_BOOKLET_2014-16112015.pdf

"UWA and Murdoch university have published non-discriminatory language guidelines that staff and students are expected to follow.

The UWA version advises students to replace “mankind” with “humankind” or “human race”, while “founding fathers” should instead become simply “founders” or “ancestors”.

A UWA spokeswoman said academics provided feedback and guidance to students on the appropriate use of language, but could not confirm if marks were subtracted for indiscretions."

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/gender-specific-language-banned-at-some-wa-u...

Perhaps the "spokeswoman" (gender specific) was wrong?

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Fury as ANU dumps study of Western civilisation Reply #55 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 1:55pm Never seen that before, interesting. Doubt it actually changes that much.
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