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Sep 3rd, 2018 at 9:24am
 
Reality,        is an unfriendly ogre, to all Progressives
...and one day, i am certain, those who pursue the Progressives path,
will be compelled to confront both reality, and their own folly.




Venezuela today, is simply another example of that folly, expressed.



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Progressives: The Real World vs. Neverland


by David C. Stolinsky  •  September 2, 2018


    Many of these children in adult bodies were told, and actually believed, that better health care for everyone, including an unlimited number of illegal immigrants, would be attainable at a low cost, if only the government were to run it.

    Many children in adult bodies also seem not to know that Socialism failed in the Soviet Union, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria, China, North Korea, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba, and is now failing in Venezuela.

The irrational wish is evidently stronger than rational arithmetic.

    These victims of arrested emotional development seem to confuse good motives with good results.

They want better health care for a greater number of people at a lesser cost;

so they fantasize that they can achieve it without denying care to those who are too old, too sick or too expensive to receive it.


They kind-heartedly want a "more equal distribution of wealth";



so they fantasize that they can maneuver it without penalizing and discouraging the productive members of society, while rewarding and encouraging the unproductive ones.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12732/progressives-reality



Yadda = = the person who rejects fanciful ideas, and believes in REAL things.


'Progressives' = = those who [want to live in a la-la land, and] refuse to accept responsibility, for the consequences of their own choices.



It is virtuous, and realistic, to seek to obtain;      equal opportunity,     for all.

But 'Progressives' insist, that the world in which they live must provides    equal outcomes     for all.

That, is la-la land stuff.



Dictionary;
la-la land = =
1 Los Angeles or Hollywood, especially with regard to the film and television industry.
2 a dreamworld.



Dictionary;
fanciful = = over-imaginative and unrealistic.     existing only in the imagination.


Dictionary;
ogre = = a cruel or terrifying person.



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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill


"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher



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Proverbs 6:6
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
7  Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
8  Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
9  How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
10  Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
11  So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.


Proverbs 11:25
The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.
26  He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it.
27  He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him.
28  He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch.


Proverbs 21:15
It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.
16  The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.
17  He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.

Dictionary;
iniquity = = injustice or immoral behaviour.


Proverbs 30:7
Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
8  Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
9  Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.


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Re: Reality, is an unfriendly ogre, to all Progressive
Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:18am
 
They kind-heartedly want a "more equal distribution of wealth";



This matches up wqith Catholic social thought Yadda. You're a great example of what I've said now for ages, those who claim to be Christian, don't act it.
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Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:56am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:18am:
They kind-heartedly want a "more equal distribution of wealth";



This matches up wqith Catholic social thought Yadda. You're a great example of what I've said now for ages, those who claim to be Christian, don't act it.



christ was quite the knowledgeable economist when it came to the poor.

yes, he was very much in favour of looking out for the poor.

but you dont do that by dropping the toxic socialist seed into a society.

it has been tried multiple times and in multiple locations and mayhem always ensues.

christ understood the pareto principle....from those who have little , even that will be taken away, to those who have much, more will be given...thats a brutal statement but that IS how the world works.
its a basic law.

christ also understood the way "up the narrow road to success" for the poor.
you have to give before you can recieve and when you do give, much much more will flow back to you.
but you must give first.

its paradoxical, but christ was a paradoxical guy,

socialism sounds like it should work but it never does,  again, this is a paradox , but it doesnt stop the toxic nature of socialism from being an in built part of the ideology itself
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:02am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:56am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:18am:
They kind-heartedly want a "more equal distribution of wealth";



This matches up wqith Catholic social thought Yadda. You're a great example of what I've said now for ages, those who claim to be Christian, don't act it.



christ was quite the knowledgeable economist when it came to the poor.

yes, he was very much in favour of looking out for the poor.

but you dont do that by dropping the toxic socialist seed into a society.

it has been tried multiple times and in multiple locations and mayhem always ensues.

christ understood the pareto principle....from those who have little , even that will be taken away, to those who have much, more will be given...thats a brutal statement but that IS how the world works.
its a basic law.

christ also understood the way "up the narrow road to success" for the poor.
you have to give before you can recieve and when you do give, much much more will flow back to you.
but you must give first.

its paradoxical, but christ was a paradoxical guy,

socialism sounds like it should work but it never does,  again, this is a paradox , but it doesnt stop the toxic nature of socialism from being an in built part of the ideology itself





You're confusing socialism with communism.
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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:25am
 
the saying

"from each according to his ability"
"to each according to his need".

that would seem to be a statement most lefties think would "work".

but it doesnt .

thats the paradox

because who decides whose "needs" take precedance.
and who decides what you should do with your abilities.

you cant.

capitalism  says that you have to provide a service that some one wants to pay for.
that sounds harsh but it actually works.
because people are forced to do things for their fellow man that they may not otherwise do and they have to smile and be courteous about it.

my dairy farmer mate doesnt particularly like getting up in the dark to milk cattle in the rain.
but he does it in a capitalist system.

and millions of people go out to fix the plumbing and the dirty sewers and do hard jobs putting up power poles despite their sore backs  and they do it because thats how capitalism works.


you cant get that result from a system which deals with peoples needs and abilities.
its never going to happen.

venezuala is the result of state ownership of assets . and thats socialism , not communism.

the so called socialist states like denmark and sweden are actually totally capitalist, they just have high taxation with capitalism.
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:27am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:25am:
the saying

"from each according to his ability"
"to each according to his need".

that would seem to be a statement most lefties think would "work".

but it doesnt .

thats the paradox

because who decides whose "needs" take precedance.
and who decides what you should do with your abilities.

you cant.

capitalism  says that you have to provide a service that some one wants to pay for.
that sounds harsh but it actually works.
because people are forced to do things for their fellow man that they may not otherwise do and they have to smile and be courteous about it.

my dairy farmer mate doesnt particularly like getting up in the dark to milk cattle in the rain.
but he does it in a capitalist system.

and millions of people go out to fix the plumbing and the dirty sewers and do hard jobs putting up power poles despite their sore backs  and they do it because thats how capitalism works.


you cant get that result from a system which deals with peoples needs and abilities.
its never going to happen.

venezuala is the result of state ownership of assets . and thats socialism , not communism.

the so called socialist states like denmark and sweden are actually totally capitalist, they just have high taxation with capitalism.




"from each according to his ability"
"to each according to his need".


And yet that matches up with the catholic social principle of preferential option of the poor.
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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:35am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:25am:
the saying

"from each according to his ability"
"to each according to his need".

that would seem to be a statement most lefties think would "work".

but it doesnt .

thats the paradox

because who decides whose "needs" take precedance.
and who decides what you should do with your abilities.

you cant.

capitalism  says that you have to provide a service that some one wants to pay for.
that sounds harsh but it actually works.
because people are forced to do things for their fellow man that they may not otherwise do and they have to smile and be courteous about it.

my dairy farmer mate doesnt particularly like getting up in the dark to milk cattle in the rain.
but he does it in a capitalist system.

and millions of people go out to fix the plumbing and the dirty sewers and do hard jobs putting up power poles despite their sore backs  and they do it because thats how capitalism works.


you cant get that result from a system which deals with peoples needs and abilities.
its never going to happen.

venezuala is the result of state ownership of assets . and thats socialism , not communism.

the so called socialist states like denmark and sweden are actually totally capitalist, they just have high taxation with capitalism.

Employers need/rely on, i.e. read THEIR BUSINESS PLANS RELY ON..., an educated labour market to choose from: you know f***all horse-boy!
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 1:13pm
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:35am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:25am:
the saying

"from each according to his ability"
"to each according to his need".

that would seem to be a statement most lefties think would "work".

but it doesnt .

thats the paradox

because who decides whose "needs" take precedance.
and who decides what you should do with your abilities.

you cant.

capitalism  says that you have to provide a service that some one wants to pay for.
that sounds harsh but it actually works.
because people are forced to do things for their fellow man that they may not otherwise do and they have to smile and be courteous about it.

my dairy farmer mate doesnt particularly like getting up in the dark to milk cattle in the rain.
but he does it in a capitalist system.

and millions of people go out to fix the plumbing and the dirty sewers and do hard jobs putting up power poles despite their sore backs  and they do it because thats how capitalism works.


you cant get that result from a system which deals with peoples needs and abilities.
its never going to happen.

venezuala is the result of state ownership of assets . and thats socialism , not communism.

the so called socialist states like denmark and sweden are actually totally capitalist, they just have high taxation with capitalism.

Employers need/rely on, i.e. read THEIR BUSINESS PLANS RELY ON..., an educated labour market to choose from: you know f***all horse-boy!



What do you produce that the market is willing to pay you for?
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:13pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 1:13pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:35am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 11:25am:
the saying

"from each according to his ability"
"to each according to his need".

that would seem to be a statement most lefties think would "work".

but it doesnt .

thats the paradox

because who decides whose "needs" take precedance.
and who decides what you should do with your abilities.

you cant.

capitalism  says that you have to provide a service that some one wants to pay for.
that sounds harsh but it actually works.
because people are forced to do things for their fellow man that they may not otherwise do and they have to smile and be courteous about it.

my dairy farmer mate doesnt particularly like getting up in the dark to milk cattle in the rain.
but he does it in a capitalist system.

and millions of people go out to fix the plumbing and the dirty sewers and do hard jobs putting up power poles despite their sore backs  and they do it because thats how capitalism works.


you cant get that result from a system which deals with peoples needs and abilities.
its never going to happen.

venezuala is the result of state ownership of assets . and thats socialism , not communism.

the so called socialist states like denmark and sweden are actually totally capitalist, they just have high taxation with capitalism.

Employers need/rely on, i.e. read THEIR BUSINESS PLANS RELY ON..., an educated labour market to choose from: you know f***all horse-boy!



What do you produce that the market is willing to pay you for?

Are you paying me for answers now buddy?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
....if not then you better get your gun out front bottom  Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:41pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:18am:

They kind-heartedly want a "more equal distribution of wealth";



This matches up wqith Catholic social thought Yadda.



It may closely follow today's Catholic church doctrine, but this isn't what Jesus taught, for the society he encouraged.

Sorry, but Jesus did NOT teach or promote socialism.

Nor a "more equal distribution of wealth", THROUGH THE AGENCY OF THE FORCE OF THEFT.

Read the parable of the Talents.   Matthew 25:14-30




A "more equal distribution of wealth"   ?????

For example, like the form of socialism seen in the Catholic clerical hierarchy today [and throughout it history] ?

/sarc off


bojack,

The Catholic clerical hierarchy, since its inception, have lived and worked in palaces mate, and lived, like princes.

And in exactly the same manner,
            as the upper political hierarchy of both ['Western'] socialists and ['Eastern'] communists have done, throughout recent human history.


Q.
What was Jesus counsel, regarding the character of the 'society' of his church ?

Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26  But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27  And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:


Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10  Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11  But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.



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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 10:18am:

You're a great example of what I've said now for ages, those who claim to be Christian, don't act it.




What was Jesus counsel, about how men ought to conduct themselves ?

Matthew 19:16-22

1/ First and foremost, Jesus promoted, loving God and obeying God's laws "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

2/ If we would be perfect "....go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."


As per......

Matthew 19:16
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



All Torah law statutes....

Thou shalt do no murder,

Thou shalt not commit adultery,

Thou shalt not steal,

Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Honour thy father and thy mother


All of the above were quoted by Jesus, from the book(s) of the law, the Torah ['the laws of Moses'],
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

And including,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
From, Leviticus 19:18


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Proverbs 1:10
My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.
11  If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:
12  Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:
13  We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:
14  Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:
15  My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:
16  For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.
17  Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.
18  And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.
19  So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.



Socialism and communism are both systems of government which operate through legalising the theft [with the use of brutal [and un-Godly and not 'kind'] force if necessary] of the resources and property of others.


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If we would be perfect "....go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."

It is an aspiration.     ....i.e.    for us to be perfect, before God.


bojack,

Show me a perfect man or woman.



I'm not a perfect man.

I live and wait, and pray, for the promise of my redemption, from this corruption, which is called 'flesh'.

Every day, i pray to God, and ask him to forgive my weakness and my many mistakes.


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Here's a question for you Yadda:

How can there be socialism in a failed state?
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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2018 at 9:56pm
 
Auggie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:34pm:

Here's a question for you Yadda:

How can there be socialism in a failed state?




How can there be socialism in a failed state?


Q.
How can socialist ideologues exist and prosper, in a failed state?

A.
Easily.




"We from the government, and we're here to help you."



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Auggie wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 7:34pm:
Here's a question for you Yadda:

How can there be socialism in a failed state?



you should read Solzenhitsens "the gulag archepelego".

its fascinating that hitler is so reviled but the russian leaders and the regime of mao killed far more people.

socialism is born of envy of the successful.  thats the pyshcology.

the socialist , believes that men are basicly equal and we should have equality of outcome and if we dont then the successful are cheating, scamming and oppressing.

(and the unsuccessful are victims).

how did socialism operate in the failed state of the soviet?

well it failed fairly quickly.

when you tell the masses that the 1 or 2 really successful farmers in each little village are oppressing you and then you ship them all off to siberia, the country starves in no time flat (6 million in the ukraine in 1920/21 alone. thats 3 years in.

mao oversaw starvation of about 50 million and he wasnt too worried about it at all.

so almost immediate failure.

what did socialist ideology do next.

well similar to the left in australia, the criminals, the druggies, the troubled youth were seen as misbehaving due to the oppression they recieved from the successful.
so they were sort of given a free pass.

so in the gulags (which by this time had millions of successful people imprisoned), the rapists and murderers and theives were elevated to the position of prison guards to make the lives of the imprisoned successful people even more hellish.

same thing happened in the killing fields of cambodia.
the successful small business people were sought out for special punsihment at the hands of the petty criminals.  because it was thought the petty crims could be brought back into the fold.

same thing is happening in australia now under a socialist like Andrews in victoria.
the petty crims and thugs are thought to be abel to be brought back into the fold and the real enemies are the successful capitalists in the state.

same thing happens in the CFMEU , the president has his kids hold up a sign saying "get f'ed' to the ABCC and the left applaud.

socialism is based on jealousy, envy and the desire to take from someone else for yourself, for no other reason then that you want it.

it always spirals into evil and always will.

we have a century of evidence .
what more do you want.

starving kids in venezuala now are dying of malnutrition.

its abysmal .

the left cant admit this to themselves.
this seething resentment.

i have no doubt that there are many on the left who would like nothing more then to see rich bank executives and the like, locked up in a gulag with the CFMEU thugs as the prison wardens.
that is what they are like.
the virtue signalling is a mask to cover their own hateful resentment.
the CFMEU or getup or anti-fa gesture about the oppressed but the hate is the real kicker.
thats the drug they are addicted to.
you can see it in their crazy eyes
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 8:28am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
I live and wait, and pray, for the promise of my redemption, from this corruption, which is called 'flesh'.

Every day, i pray to God, and ask him to forgive my weakness and my many mistakes.






I do something similar. Its called learning from my mistakes and not repeating them rather than asking some non existant deity for forgiveness for them
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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2018 at 9:21am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 4th, 2018 at 8:28am:
Yadda wrote on Sep 3rd, 2018 at 6:41pm:
I live and wait, and pray, for the promise of my redemption, from this corruption, which is called 'flesh'.

Every day, i pray to God, and ask him to forgive my weakness and my many mistakes.




I do something similar.


Its called learning from my mistakes and not repeating them
rather than asking some non existant deity for forgiveness for them






Q.
Did i say that HE was non-existent ?


Oh wait,     that was you, right ?

And persons like yourself know this,       coz you are omniscient and know every secret and every concealed wonder.

Right!



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Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
3  The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.



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