freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:


And as you seem to have forgotton - why not? An example of extending rights is an example of extending rights, regardless of what may or may not have happened subsequent to that extension.

The constitution of medina is a clear example of Muhammad "extending" legal rights to pagans - ie giving them options other than converting or dying. The list is even in dot point for you. Thats what you asked for FD, plain and simple. You didn't ask "well apart from that clear example where Muhammad signed a treaty with the pagans under his rule and gave them specific worshipping rights.....give us just one example..." Shifting the goalposts isn't going to work here. You are worse than monty python.

Yes, G, but you forgot to answer this.

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:


FD says you're too scared to say.

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2018 at 12:26pm:


An example of extending rights is an example of extending rights. Your "oh but apart from..." monty python routine is just blatant goal post shifting. You've never actually disputed the fact that they were actual rights and they were actually extended to the pagans - merely that they were taken away sometime after the fact, and that this somehow constitutes never extending any rights in the first place (flawed logic).

And besides there is no evidence those rights were taken away "on a whim" - unless you call literally conspiring with the enemy to bring your state down a "whim".

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2018 at 12:26pm:


The straightest possible answer, 3 times now.

The truth is, and you should be honest and admit this, there is literally nothing I could say about Muhammad that you wouldn't use as evidence to demonstrate the evil caricature you are so determined to construct of him. Nothing at all. So of course we get this glib "you can't give a straight answer" - even though I produce exactly what you asked for. Exactly.

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So every day you are not killed is a day you have the right to life, up until the day they actually kill you?

Is this really what Muslims think rights are?

If so, why are you afraid to list any?

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It was genocide Gandalf. First the Jews, then later all non-Muslims were expelled from the area. Non-Muslims are still banned from Mecca, which was a major centre for pagan worship until Muhammad came along. How you manage to equate that with non-Muslims having rights just demonstrates how little regard Muslims have for human rights.

Let's try again for a straight answer eh?

Other than converting or dying, what legal rights did Muhammad extend to Pagans?

Did the Jews have the right to keep their head attached to their body?

When Muhammad first came into a position where he could get away with slaughtering people, and he celebrated by publicly threatening to slaughter the Medina Jews if they did not convert to Islam, was he defending their right to convert to Islam, or their right to die?

Auggie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2018 at 6:12pm:


FD has proven time and time again he has little comprehension of what burden of proof actually entails.

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2018 at 9:34am:


FD's not making a point though, G, he just wants to know what Muslims themselves believe. He does this through the use of questions - here, he's asking you for a list of Dhimmi rights.

FD, you see, is curious. He just doesn't want to click on your Wikipedia article, okay?

FD's so curious he wants you to answer the question again.

FD's on the back foot here.

He needs to provide evidence of the following:

That the Constitution of Medina was repealed at a specific time (which time) and what was it replaced by?

We can expect him to go a-searching for the answer but I doubt he'll find it.