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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #150 - Sep 8^th, 2018 at 10:06pm

Muhammad slaughtered pagans as well as Jews Gandalf.

Let's try again for a straight answer eh?

Other than converting or dying, what legal rights did Muhammad extend to Pagans?

Did the Jews have the right to keep their head attached to their body?

When Muhammad first came into a position where he could get away with slaughtering people, and he celebrated by publicly threatening to slaughter the Medina Jews if they did not convert to Islam, was he defending their right to convert to Islam, or their right to die?

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Reply #151 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 11:19am

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 8:10pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 7:59pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 7:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 7:11pm:

Let's have two lots of tax codes: one for Christians and the other for Muslims. Both tax codes charge the same rate of tax, but they just have two different names.

This 'separate but equal' doctrine is what Gandalf supports.

He has to, Auggie, he's a Moslem. He also has to support executing gays who do it Mardi Gras-style, funding terrorism, and spreading Muslim diseases (Islam is not a race).

The old boy supports the Lutheran tax codes, but that's just he.

Well, executing gays is still quite common in Muslim-majority countries, isn't it? They like throwing gays off rooftops there.

Do you think that's because Mo' would've approved of such behaviour?

But of course. Whatever ISIS do is exactly what Moh would have done. These people are Moslems.

Always absolutely never ever. Eternal. On stilts.

These people have to obey their sinister prophet, and their prophet has to forgive them.

Muslim victim mentality, innit. Apparently Moh had a big nose so it's wacist.

Well, Mohammad did say in Surah 5, which is the last Surah chronologically that 'I have perfected your religion for you." Anything which happened during Mohammad's ministry could be considered progressive; but that progression ceased when he died.

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #152 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 5:38pm

Dhimmitude by its' very definition is absolute discrimination.

A dhimmi is a second class citizen, tolerated on the whim of which ever muslim is overseeing him.

They are subjected to taxation, building codes, dress, transport etc regulations / rules which the ruling muslim class are not.

Of course it is discriminatory.

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #153 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Did the constitution of Medina apply to all pagans?

No because funnily enough Muhammad didn't have control over all pagans at the time. I thought it would go without saying that his laws regarding pagans only apply to pagans under his control.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Is this what Muslims mean when they say they support human rights? Is this what they mean when they say Dhimmitude is against oppression - unless they specify always and for all people, they merely mean as and when it suits the Islamist agenda?

And there goes FD on 'meme generator' mode again.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Can we start with what I actually said?

You have made reference to Muhammad's "genocide" against the pagans several times. On at least one occassion you conceded you meant jews not pagans, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating the reference.

Would you like to be a dhimmi? Your daughters and wives to be dhimmis?

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #154 - Sep 9^th, 2018 at 11:15pm

Frank wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Did the constitution of Medina apply to all pagans?

No because funnily enough Muhammad didn't have control over all pagans at the time. I thought it would go without saying that his laws regarding pagans only apply to pagans under his control.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Is this what Muslims mean when they say they support human rights? Is this what they mean when they say Dhimmitude is against oppression - unless they specify always and for all people, they merely mean as and when it suits the Islamist agenda?

And there goes FD on 'meme generator' mode again.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Can we start with what I actually said?

You have made reference to Muhammad's "genocide" against the pagans several times. On at least one occassion you conceded you meant jews not pagans, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating the reference.

Would you like to be a dhimmi? Your daughters and wives to be dhimmis?

You're a Dhimmi. Lose your imported, sht-eating superiority, and we'll see. Maybe.

Until then, old boy, you'll always be a Dhimmi. Always, absolutely, never ever.

You're a third-class citizen because you choose to be.

Superior culture, innit.

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #155 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 6:53pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 11:15pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Did the constitution of Medina apply to all pagans?

No because funnily enough Muhammad didn't have control over all pagans at the time. I thought it would go without saying that his laws regarding pagans only apply to pagans under his control.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Is this what Muslims mean when they say they support human rights? Is this what they mean when they say Dhimmitude is against oppression - unless they specify always and for all people, they merely mean as and when it suits the Islamist agenda?

And there goes FD on 'meme generator' mode again.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Can we start with what I actually said?

You have made reference to Muhammad's "genocide" against the pagans several times. On at least one occassion you conceded you meant jews not pagans, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating the reference.

Would you like to be a dhimmi? Your daughters and wives to be dhimmis?

You're a Dhimmi. Lose your imported, sht-eating superiority, and we'll see. Maybe.

Until then, old boy, you'll always be a Dhimmi. Always, absolutely, never ever.

You're a third-class citizen because you choose to be.

Superior culture, innit.

I have to say: you know how to hit back hard, K. Well done.

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #156 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 8:27pm

Auggie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 11:15pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Did the constitution of Medina apply to all pagans?

No because funnily enough Muhammad didn't have control over all pagans at the time. I thought it would go without saying that his laws regarding pagans only apply to pagans under his control.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Is this what Muslims mean when they say they support human rights? Is this what they mean when they say Dhimmitude is against oppression - unless they specify always and for all people, they merely mean as and when it suits the Islamist agenda?

And there goes FD on 'meme generator' mode again.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Can we start with what I actually said?

You have made reference to Muhammad's "genocide" against the pagans several times. On at least one occassion you conceded you meant jews not pagans, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating the reference.

Would you like to be a dhimmi? Your daughters and wives to be dhimmis?

You're a Dhimmi. Lose your imported, sht-eating superiority, and we'll see. Maybe.

Until then, old boy, you'll always be a Dhimmi. Always, absolutely, never ever.

You're a third-class citizen because you choose to be.

Superior culture, innit.

I have to say: you know how to hit back hard, K. Well done.

Here we go, yokels in a circle wank asserting their values. A Paki and a frikken Roman emperor wannabe. The rabid and the delusional.

Australia, your are standing in it. Up to your chins. With shiteheads like these speaking for you, you are about to go Western Europe's way into Submission and complete self-abnegation.

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #157 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 9:12pm

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 8:27pm:

Auggie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 11:15pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 9^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Did the constitution of Medina apply to all pagans?

No because funnily enough Muhammad didn't have control over all pagans at the time. I thought it would go without saying that his laws regarding pagans only apply to pagans under his control.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Is this what Muslims mean when they say they support human rights? Is this what they mean when they say Dhimmitude is against oppression - unless they specify always and for all people, they merely mean as and when it suits the Islamist agenda?

And there goes FD on 'meme generator' mode again.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 9:16pm:

Can we start with what I actually said?

You have made reference to Muhammad's "genocide" against the pagans several times. On at least one occassion you conceded you meant jews not pagans, but that hasn't stopped you from repeating the reference.

Would you like to be a dhimmi? Your daughters and wives to be dhimmis?

You're a Dhimmi. Lose your imported, sht-eating superiority, and we'll see. Maybe.

Until then, old boy, you'll always be a Dhimmi. Always, absolutely, never ever.

You're a third-class citizen because you choose to be.

Superior culture, innit.

I have to say: you know how to hit back hard, K. Well done.

Here we go, yokels in a circle wank asserting their values. A Paki and a frikken Roman emperor wannabe. The rabid and the delusional.

Australia, your are standing in it. Up to your chins. With shiteheads like these speaking for you, you are about to go Western Europe's way into Submission and complete self-abnegation.

You know, no one has the right to be offended, you know? You guys just expect to be able to dish out insults without being called out.

Not gonna happen buddy.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 92190 Gender:	Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression? Reply #158 - Sep 10^th, 2018 at 9:48pm Pretending home-grown Aussies are Pakis is a tried and tested old boy staple. He believes this covers his status as a dirty old sheisen-eater. The old boy doesn't even get a vote. He flew here. He can piss off to Pakistan anytime he wants. WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 40417 Gender:	Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression? Reply #159 - Sep 11^th, 2018 at 6:27pm Auggie wrote on Sep 10^th, 2018 at 9:12pm: You know, no one has the right to be offended, you know? But... but... I know, I know.
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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #160 - Sep 12^th, 2018 at 1:44pm

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2018 at 10:06pm:

Let's try again for a straight answer eh?

Other than converting or dying, what legal rights did Muhammad extend to Pagans?

Oooh can I play this game of endless copies and pasties the same inane posts too?

Oh look, you missed it again - for a second third time. Silly you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina#Rights_of_non-Muslims

"legal rights" you requested - you know, the ones you don't bother to read, and then ask me for them again over and over.

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #161 - Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:21pm

Perhaps asking Gandalf to list all of them is too much of a burden. Can you give us one example Gandalf? Other than converting or dying, what is one legal right that Muhammad extended to Pagans? As you seem to have forgotten, I am not talking about rights he temporarily negotiated with a small group of pagans before doing one of his backflips and taking them away.

Did the Jews have the right to keep their head attached to their body?

When Muhammad first came into a position where he could get away with slaughtering people, and he celebrated by publicly threatening to slaughter the Medina Jews if they did not convert to Islam, was he defending their right to convert to Islam, or their right to die?

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Re: Dhimmitude is against oppression?
Reply #162 - Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:41pm

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:21pm:

Perhaps asking Gandalf to list all of them is too much of a burden. Can you give us one example Gandalf? Other than converting or dying, what is one legal right that Muhammad extended to Pagans? As you seem to have forgotten, I am not talking about rights he temporarily negotiated with a small group of pagans before doing one of his backflips and taking them away.

Did the Jews have the right to keep their head attached to their body?

When Muhammad first came into a position where he could get away with slaughtering people, and he celebrated by publicly threatening to slaughter the Medina Jews if they did not convert to Islam, was he defending their right to convert to Islam, or their right to die?

Can you explain when the 'blackflip' was? There's no indication that the Constitution expired.

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Reply #163 - Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

All non-Muslims were banned from the area. Gandalf has also tried to argue it applied to the Medina Jews, despite Muhammad committing genocide against them, and despite him publicly threatening to slaughter them if they did not convert to Islam.

A lot of historians don't even consider it a constitution in the conventional sense. Rather it was a unilateral set of laws that Muhammad changed (again, unilaterally) over time, as well as ignoring them when he wanted to commit genocide.

This is why Gandalf is afraid to list any specific rights.

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Reply #164 - Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:49pm

freediver wrote on Sep 12^th, 2018 at 6:45pm:

All non-Muslims were banned from the area. Gandalf has also tried to argue it applied to the Medina Jews, despite Muhammad committing genocide against them, and despite him publicly threatening to slaughter them if they did not convert to Islam.

A lot of historians don't even consider it a constitution in the conventional sense. Rather it was a unilateral set of laws that Muhammad changed (again, unilaterally) over time, as well as ignoring them when he wanted to commit genocide.

This is why Gandalf is afraid to list any specific rights.

Bernard Lewis claims that the charter was not a treaty in the modern sense but a unilateral proclamation by Muhammad.[17] One of the constitution's more interesting aspects was the inclusion of the Jewish tribes in the ummah because although the Jewish tribes were "one community with the believers", they also "have their religion and the Muslims have theirs".[18]

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