Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 8:33pm:


I asked you first, Secret. Do you think ISIS follow the religion of Islam?

Why or why not?

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 8:54pm:


Not at all. Martin Luther was around in the 16th century. The old boy supports the tax code, but I think you'll find Luther had more of a tan.

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:


Oh look, you missed it again - for a second time. Silly you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina#Rights_of_non-Muslims

In case you're wondering, these are the rights you acknowledged when you asked if they were thrown out the window when Mecca was captured.

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2018 at 10:12pm:


Fair enough.

Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 11:31am:


And he doesn't even care that they have been answered. As he just said "I did not bother reading it". So what does he do? Pretend it somehow hasn't been answered - even though he directly referenced that answer - and continues on with his broken record routine. Very annoying.

Its not the logical fallacies, or the goalshifting, or even the outright porkies that gets me. Its this unbelievably inane and infantile game of pretending its *ME* who's being evasive and dishonest. The hide!

go figure 

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:


Thats exactly what you asked FD. You just want to shift the goalposts now.

In case you are confused, these are your exact words:

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You don't specify that it can't be 'temporary' or done only in a position of weakness.

And no, there is no evidence that pagans lost any of the rights Muhammad granted them. Apart from the ones that violated the treaty they had with him of course.

freediver wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:


My understanding is that Muhammad didn't slaughter any jews - save for perhaps maybe a dozen or so ringleaders who conspired to materially support the army that was laying siege to their city, in direct violation of the treaty they had with Muhammad.

There is also no evidence he committed the genocide against pagans you constantly allude to. Certainly he did not conduct any vengeful recriminations against the Quraysh when he captured Mecca with virtually no blood spilled. You'd have a hard time arguing he wasn't in a "position of strength" then.

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Did the constitution of Medina apply to all pagans? Or are you doing the slippery Muslim trick and pretending I was asking what rights he granted to a specific group of pagans?

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Is this what Muslims mean when they say they support human rights? Is this what they mean when they say Dhimmitude is against oppression - unless they specify always and for all people, they merely mean as and when it suits the Islamist agenda?

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What about the ones that want to visit their pagan shrine in Mecca?

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Down from a few hundred eh? Why the need for your embarrassing mindless collective of treacherous Jews meme?

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Can we start with what I actually said?

Let's try again for a straight answer eh?

Other than converting or dying, what legal rights did Muhammad extend to Pagans?

Did the Jews have the right to keep their head attached to their body?

When Muhammad first came into a position where he could get away with slaughtering people, and he celebrated by publicly threatening to slaughter the Medina Jews if they did not convert to Islam, was he defending their right to convert to Islam, or their right to die?

Frank wrote on Sep 7^th, 2018 at 8:29pm:


The old boy's always offended, Auggie, don't you worry.

He does have that right, no?

They're tinted.