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a socialist nightmare in venezuela
Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 11:26am

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What is unfolding in Venezuela demonstrates, once again, that when a rabidly 'socialist' regime gains control of an economy, they will always, inevitably, destroy it,
through their own CORRUPTION, through their own incompetence, and through their own refusal to accept responsibility/accountability for their mistakes.

This ideologically 'socialist' regime in Venezuela, has been a disaster for the vast majority of Venezuela's ordinary citizens.

They have ruined a prosperous, resource rich, wealthy, nation.

But why so ?

Because humanists/socialists [everywhere] always have a 'hankering' to direct and to control government social policy, but wherever those in that ideological clique gain policy control in government, they always refuse to accept responsibility/accountability for the consequences of their poor choices/mistakes.

No man can never make 'progress' [in life], if he is always 'side-stepping' and denying responsibility for his mistakes.

Foundation for Economic Education
Monday, May 01, 2017
https://fee.org/articles/venezuelas-socialist-hellscape-captured-in-28-horrifyin...

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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
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Reply #1 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 11:37am

yes its a nightmare... how thats is possible in 2018 I will never know.....an extended family member has a sister there she has lived there for about 40 years husband and son both died..she now has dementia and is god knows where at this point......no one can get any information on her....

it has been going down and down for a few years she lost her home they just took it... her sons was getting food from America to feed them but he has since passed away.....so no news is coming out.....

there was no medication food.. or even water I believe.....and it would appear the outside world doesnt give a stuff... Sad

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Reply #2 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 12:12pm

cods wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 11:37am:

yes its a nightmare... how thats is possible in 2018 I will never know.....an extended family member has a sister there she has lived there for about 40 years husband and son both died..she now has dementia and is god knows where at this point......no one can get any information on her....

it has been going down and down for a few years she lost her home they just took it... her sons was getting food from America to feed them but he has since passed away.....so no news is coming out.....

there was no medication food.. or even water I believe.....and it would appear the outside world doesnt give a stuff... Sad

hi cods,

i'm sorry to hear about the circumstances of your distant relative.

and you say..... "it would appear the outside world doesnt give a stuff"

what could, some outside agent do cods ???
.....and wouldn't any action, be 'interfering in the affairs of a sovereign state' ???

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don't all Venezuelan's have the right, to make choices,
and then, to have the right to suffer the consequences of their own choices ?

isn't that, what we call 'self-determination', cods ?

cods,

i just believe that it is a vain hope, for anyone [myself included] to rely upon some 'hero', who could, or would, come and rescue us from our circumstances.

that is very unlikely.

usually, we can only rely upon ourselves, and rely upon the consequences of our own choices.

it is just the way this world is.

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Reply #3 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 4:05pm

the outside world interferes in many countries internal problems yadda... Syria being one of the latest...

govts killing their own is surely more than enough for outsiders to take a look...

I always thought that was what the UN was for....

why do we let people suffer to the point of death and sit back and watch????????......

no body want more WAR....but it would seem we will never be free of tyrants or despots....

if this was a Islam govt..... would we be sitting back do you think?....

I wish I had a magic bullet....

but closing ones eyes to it isnt the solution...

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Reply #4 - Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 4:54pm

@ Reply #3

Proverbs 26:17
He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

cods,

you and i, would have very different responses, to circumstances we each see, in the world.

imo, we should help and defend friends and innocent people [who we know].

otherwise, we should 'stand aside'.

many of the troubles which men suffer, they bring upon themselves, imo.

it is foolish, to try to 'rescue' a foolish person, imo.

[i believe that] we have no right, to interfere in the affairs of [among] strangers who pose no threat to ourselves.
[if they are persons who do pose an immediate threat to us, then that is something different, imo]

cods,

i would recommend the Book of Proverbs to you.

it is online, it is easy to find and free.

there is a lot of wisdom and understanding there.

it will set your heart right, if you will meditate upon its contents.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #5 - Nov 8^th, 2018 at 9:59am

Socialism is a utopia.

It is a faerie-land utopia.

It is a land where 'good intentions' and grand promises become the legal currency.

And these faerie-land utopias are real nations, which are always being built by, incompetents and thieves, who always, eventually, 'transform' into vicious authoritarians.

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What the World Needs to Learn From Venezuela

Ignoring these lessons would be a grave mistake.

By Joel Hilliker

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Socialism

Despite the nation’s wealth, due to government corruption and mismanagement and the falling price of its major export, oil, Venezuela had a poverty rate of an incredible 50 percent in the 1990s.

In 1992, one former paratrooper and socialist visionary tried to overthrow the government—and failed.

But in 1998, Venezuelans elected that same man, Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías, as president with 56 percent of the vote.

Venezuela’s past welfare programs would pale in comparison to what Chávez was about to do.

He promised to end government corruption by giving Venezuela’s wealth to the impoverished masses.

He would give power to the people.

“Venezuela is a nation of great wealth,” Chávez proclaimed, “but it’s being stolen from its citizens by the evil capitalists and the evil corporations.”

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Authoritarianism

To accomplish his reforms, Chávez took control of all branches of power: executive, legislative, judicial—and military.

He and his supporters rewrote Venezuela’s Constitution, eliminated the nation’s Congress and replaced it with a National Assembly, which Chávez controlled.

He used this body to extend presidential terms and abolish term limits.

He stacked the Supreme Court with those loyal to him.

After his government increased state control over the oil industry, Chávez fired company leaders he didn’t like and replaced them with people loyal to himself.

He effectively destroyed the private sector by confiscating one industry after another and putting it under government control.

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Lessons Unlearned

Yet astoundingly, as this disaster unfolds, what is the hot political trend just north in America?

Democratic socialism.

An August 13 Gallup poll says 51 percent of Americans ages 18 to 29 have a “positive view” of socialism.

Only 45 percent have a positive view of free markets.

In the Democratic Party, 57 percent have a positive view of socialism, while only 47 percent are positive toward free markets.

Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez said that one popular self-avowed “democratic socialist” with radical views is “the future of our party.”

This wave of enthusiasm for socialism surged in the last presidential election as young people supported Bernie Sanders.

Now, socialists are winning in state primaries.

https://www.thetrumpet.com/17848-what-the-world-needs-to-learn-from-venezuela

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: a socialist nightmare in venezuela Reply #6 - Nov 8^th, 2018 at 10:06am My understanding of the issues in Venezuela are that it isn't so much around people being socialist per se, but being poor managers. I.e. its an oversimplifaction to say this is just a socialism issue
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Reply #7 - Nov 8^th, 2018 at 2:36pm

socialism is a good system for a family. you need to share the food equally with the kids. you want things to be fairly distributed

but its a disaster for anything bigger.

we develpoed conscientousness for dealing with people outside the family.
you want to get more you have to work harder.

its the basis of our civilisation

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Reply #9 - Nov 8^th, 2018 at 4:37pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 8^th, 2018 at 3:28pm:

sound to me like you lot are talking about communism not socialism

If you consider politics to be a circle rather than a straight line, the far left and the far right meet at the edges. They always have the "saviours", the "elites", who are apart from the common herd; and therefore not affected.

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Re: a socialist nightmare in venezuela
Reply #10 - May 6^th, 2019 at 7:46am

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The inevitable fruit of the Socialist Utopia, of Bernie's type of Utopia

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Knowles At 'Fox': Bernie's Utopia Is Venezuela

By Michael J. Knowles
May 1, 2019

.....More than any other factor, socialism destroyed Venezuela.

After taking power in 1999, socialist Hugo Chavez relied on the nation’s abundant oil revenues to purchase political support.

He bought foreign food and sold it to the people at a discount, ultimately quadrupling Venezuela’s foreign debt.

Chavez’s unsustainable spending led him gradually to seize more political power.

He “nationalized”—that is, stole—hundreds of factories, farms, and companies, leading Exxon Mobil and ConocoPhillips, among many other firms, to quit the country.

He outlawed private gun ownership in 2012, leaving Venezuelans powerless to fight back against an increasingly tyrannical government.

By the time Chavez’s hand-picked successor Nicolás Maduro took over in 2013, the economic and political poison had run its course, and the bill for all that “free” stuff finally came due.

A drop in oil prices meant the government could no longer maintain even the pretense of solvency.

But rather than admitting the failure of socialism, Maduro doubled down and began to print more money, sparking hyperinflation.

When the impoverished citizenry revolted, the regime resorted to violence.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/46659/knowles-fox-bernies-utopia-venezuela-michae...

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Reply #12 - May 6^th, 2019 at 9:19am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 8:13am:

By the reasoning here about Social Democracy..... democratic centralism used by the Chinese government must mean that China are a democratic Country..... Cheesy

Your argument makes no sense.

Socialism doesn't promote a democratic form of governance of a society.
.....except as an initial modus, for the socialists to gain access to the levers of governmental power in society.

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Reply #13 - May 6^th, 2019 at 9:26am

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 9:19am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 8:13am:

By the reasoning here about Social Democracy..... democratic centralism used by the Chinese government must mean that China are a democratic Country..... Cheesy

Your argument makes no sense.

Socialism doesn't promote a democratic form of governance of a society.
.....except as an initial modus, for the socialists to gain access to the levers of governmental power in society.

we are in a Socialist Democratic country.... We provide medical for all and welfare, while keeping capitalism.... what do you think Social Democracy is ? Wink

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Re: a socialist nightmare in venezuela
Reply #14 - May 6^th, 2019 at 9:28am

Yadda wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2018 at 11:26am:

through their own CORRUPTION, through their own incompetence, and through their own refusal to accept responsibility/accountability for their mistakes.

That they dared to choose socialism?

I wonder how many of Venezuela's problems are caused by trade restrictions imposed on them by others?

Every socialist govt. the yanks have sabotaged, or tried to, to then come out and say see, socialism doesn't work Cheesy

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