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Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:43am
 
Half of Australians charged out-of-pocket fees for Medicare services   Sad

16 August 2018
Sydney Morning Herald


Patients in North Sydney are charged the biggest out-of-pocket fees in the country for Medicare services including GP and specialist consults, diagnostic imaging and obstetrics, national data reveals.

Half of Australians paid a gap for non-hospital Medicare services in 2016-17, found an Australian Institute of Health and Welfare analysis released on Thursday.


The report comes the same day Health Minister Greg Hunt released Medicare data showing record high bulk-billing rates of 86.1 per cent for 2017-18, a 0.4 per cent increase on the previous year.

“A record amount of Australians are visiting their doctor without having to pay a cent,” Mr Hunt said.

More than 133 million GP services were bulk-billed in 2017-18, up 5.7 million from 2016-17, according to the Medicare data. In NSW, 88.9 per cent of GP services were bulk-billed.


GPs and public health advocates called the data misleading, saying the AIHW report exposes the true burden of out-of-pocket costs for Medicare services.

The figures represented the number of services bulk-billed, not the number of patients GPs treat, medicos say.

Almost 11 million Australians paid some gap for non-hospital Medicare services in 2016-17, according to the AIHW report.

The data "shines a light on just how misleading bulk-billing figures can be", Australian Healthcare and Hospitals Association chief executive Alison Verhoeven said.   Sad

More than one in three patients who had a Medicare-subsidised GP visit paid a gap in 2016-17, according to the report.


The average out-of-pocket costs ranged from $12 in Western Sydney to $32 in the ACT.

President of the Royal Australian College of GPs Harry Nespolon said just 29 per cent of GPs bulk-billed all their patients. These patients were most commonly children, the elderly and patients who could not afford to pay.

"It’s not surprising that these are the patients most likely to visit their GP with more complex conditions", Dr Nespolon said.

Across all non-hospital Medicare services, the average gap among patients who had some out-of-pocket fee was $142, according to the AIHW.

Roughly 1.1 million people paid at least $601 out-of-pocket for these services in 2016-17.

There were wide disparities in the amount patients paid depending on where they lived.

Patients in Northern Sydney forked out an average of $206 for Medicare services; the highest in the country and almost double that of Western Queensland ($104).

Northern Sydney also had the second-highest proportion of patients who paid a gap (62 per cent). In the ACT, over two-thirds of patients (69 per cent) paid a gap.

The 10 per cent of patients with the highest costs in Northern Sydney paid at least $876 out-of-pocket each over the year.   Sad

Overall, patients spent $3 billion on out-of-pocket costs in 2016, of which 34 per cent went to specialists, 25 per cent to GPs, 12 per cent to diagnostic imaging and 6.6 per cent to obstetrics.

The out-of-pocket costs were “especially grim” for patients referred to specialists, Ms Verhoeven said.

More than seven in 10 people who saw a specialist paid some out-of-pocket cost, with the median gap at $64. Across PHNs, that median gap ranged from $36 to $97.

In Northern Sydney, 83 per cent of specialist patients paid a gap (median $87).

Ms Verhoeven said the fees patients were being charged "had little to do with the ideals of a universal healthcare system, and everything to do with supply, demand and what the local market will bear".

City-dwellers were less likely to have out-of-pocket costs than patients in regional areas and their out-of-pockets costs were lower on average ($155 versus $122 respectively).


Health Minister Greg Hunt said the expert committee headed by the chief medical officer would investigate out-of-pocket costs.


In January, the federal Health Minister directed Australia’s Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy to head up an expert committee to investigate high out-of-pocket fees and bill shock.

"We want strong action, built around fee transparency, ensuring consumers know exactly what the cost of a service is well before they commit to it," Mr Hunt said.

"And I guarantee that we will continue to put more funding into Medicare through new items and greater support for doctors, building on our record funding.
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Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 10:52pm
 
user should pay
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Reply #2 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 11:07pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:43am:
Half of Australians charged out-of-pocket fees for Medicare services   Sad

16 August 2018
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How much would you pay to stay alive? The cost of a packet of fags? Maybe forgo a night out on the turps?
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Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 1:11am
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 10:52pm:
user should pay


Who set the pay scale???
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 1:12am
 
salad in wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 11:07pm:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:43am:
Half of Australians charged out-of-pocket fees for Medicare services   Sad

16 August 2018
Sydney Morning Herald


How much would you pay to stay alive? The cost of a packet of fags? Maybe forgo a night out on the turps?


A night out on the turps might be better than medical treatment these days ....

Do these over-charging doctors guarantee you will stay alive?  Or are they just rolling the dice?
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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 6:23am
 
Doctors are all overpaid mechanics
Simple fact

Any engineer has done more study, has more diagnostic skills in his chosen field and is better educated than doctors.

It's only because of chemists making drugs, particularly penicillin,  that doctors were elevated from witch doctors, shaking rattles and blowing smoke over patients to the highly paid parasites they are.

Doctors practices have changed little
They cut they sew they wait for the body to heal.
They look for solutions to symptoms that you describe
In a few more years, we will have computer programs that will replace GPs forever.

That immensely strong union, the AMA prevent enough doctors from being trained, thereby ensuring that there will never be enough to elicit competition and subsequently ensure higher fees.

Until we address the need to reign in doctors fees and charges, people will always have to pay to much for a simple process.l

Look at cancer treatments
These have not changed in two decades
Same old process of positioning the body to destroy the cancer

With trillions of dollars being donated into research, you would think they would have an answer by now.
But that would be silly of them, wouldn't it?
If they cured cancer, the trillions in donations and trillions in cancer treatment would be gone.

For all the money given to them for research, cancer treatments should be virtually free
But no, they charge unbelievable amounts for what essentially is a mixture of a few chemicals.

The whole medical system is a rort.
Doctors
Drug companies
Medical funds
All superior parasites gouging the world for their own benefit.

A pox on them all


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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 12:51pm
 
Valkie wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 6:23am:
The whole medical system is a rort.
Doctors
Drug companies
Medical funds
All superior parasites gouging the world for their own benefit.


You forgot psychiatrists, the medical specialists Valkie most needs.
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 5:13pm
 
Looks like the troll that is infatuated with me is at it again.

I'm sorry troll
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So my poor deluded troll
Please stop your sick infatuation for it will never be fulfilled.
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Reply #8 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 6:45pm
 
I have been to see a doctor once in the last 10 years covered by Workers comp not medicare.

If i add up what the Medicare levy costs me at tax time I have been subsidising everyone else for the last couple of decades.
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Reply #9 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 10:48pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 1:11am:
Swagman wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 10:52pm:
user should pay


Who set the pay scale???


...ochlocrats...
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Reply #10 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 5:14pm
 
User pay nonsense.  Public good needs to be funded by everyone, not just the user.

House burning down is the only time you pay for fire services?  Only when you need the police do you pay them for services?
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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 7:23pm
 
stunspore wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
User pay nonsense.  Public good needs to be funded by everyone, not just the user.

House burning down is the only time you pay for fire services?  Only when you need the police do you pay them for services? 


Good point
Perhaps we should only pay politicians and public services when we need them.

I'd be happy to pay ambulances and other worthwhile public services

But I'd be happier never to pay politicians, ever
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Reply #12 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 12:47am
 
stunspore wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
User pay nonsense.  Public good needs to be funded by everyone, not just the user.

House burning down is the only time you pay for fire services?  Only when you need the police do you pay them for services? 


You just might have a point if everyone paid the same amount of tax?

The whinging majority pay just about effall for those services. 

The cost is stolen from an enslaved minority by the ochlocratic majority.
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Reply #13 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:28am
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 12:47am:
stunspore wrote on Aug 18th, 2018 at 5:14pm:
User pay nonsense.  Public good needs to be funded by everyone, not just the user.

House burning down is the only time you pay for fire services?  Only when you need the police do you pay them for services? 


You just might have a point if everyone paid the same amount of tax?

The whinging majority pay just about effall for those services. 

The cost is stolen from an enslaved minority by the ochlocratic majority.


So who has a bigger stake in protecting a big mansion from a small shack in a fire?
Or how about in terms of higher risk in crime such as theft - steal from a rich property vs a poor property? If one does risk vs. price, clearly those who can afford more/consume more need to also pay more because they have more to lose.
When you have nothing to lose, you need less services for fire etc.
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Reply #14 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
stunspore wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:28am:
So who has a bigger stake in protecting a big mansion from a small shack in a fire


...those that pay the majority of tax obviously

stunspore wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 9:28am:
If one does risk vs. price, clearly those who can afford more/consume more need to also pay more because they have more to lose.


.....so you agree that the user should be paying?
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