Where the money went is not part of the problem:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20
th, 2016 at 3:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 20
th, 2016 at 2:55pm:
Do you think it is important to find out where the money went Gandalf?
And why FD? Is it not enough to be satisfied it never went towards anything good? Do you think it makes me just that little bit less outraged at the fact of misuse than I should be? Do you think it doesn't make me motivated to want to stop it in the future? Get real. The problem here is not where misused money went, the problem is misuse itself.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21
st, 2016 at 2:03pm:
And why FD - do you think it will make me a little bit more outraged?
Given that I already think its wrong and that the important issue here is stopping it from happening in the future - please explain to me why it should interest me? Or is this just another pathetic attempt to segue into the terrorism funding meme?
naturally, if only I'd do a bit of digging I'd quickly see the truth - that it all went to terrorists
If someone steals your wallet full of cash, are you interested in what the robber did with the money? Of course not.
Does it even matter if it went to terrorists?
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22
nd, 2016 at 2:58pm:
hmmm, fraud, criminality, funds going to terrorists...
Tell me FD, do you think actual facts matter in this discussion?
But not if would involve exposing where the money went?
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23
rd, 2016 at 6:37pm:
Does AFIC outrage me? Sure it does, and I'd like nothing better than to see them all thrown out.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23
rd, 2016 at 8:08pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 23
rd, 2016 at 6:57pm:
How about 'someone who should at least care what the AFIC was getting up to'?
I do. Now see if you can understand the subtle difference between that and what you've been insisting I should care about.
If you cloak yourself in ignorance of where this money ends up, how do you ensure it does not happen again?
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24
th, 2016 at 12:23pm:
Establishing whether or not they misused the funds is important. what specifically those funds were misused on, once established that they were misused, is not (except for law enforcement in the case where criminal activity is involved).
The only important thing for interested parties to do at that point is to ensure they can't do it again.
If you cloak yourself in ignorance of who "them" is, how do you ensure it does not happen again?
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 26
th, 2016 at 9:11am:
freediver wrote on Jun 24
th, 2016 at 6:51pm:
Again, how do you do this while remaining willfully ignorant of what was done and why
By getting them as far away as possible from the school funds - obviously.
Absence of evidence:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27
th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
No one is covering up fraud or terrorist funding because there is no evidence of fraud or terrorist funding going on.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27
th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
Even your diluted variation you are spouting now - that 'the possibility of terrorism shouldn't be ignored' isn't much better - given there is no reason to suspect AFIC has anything to do with terrorism, except by way of the "mindless collective/ hive mind" argument ("they're muslims so...")
Caring about why Muslims defraud their own children is the job of police, not the Muslim community:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28
th, 2016 at 11:54am:
Isn't it true that this ridiculous witch hunt demanding that I do the police's job and uncover alleged criminal activity when there is not a shred of any evidence of it happening - just you trying to deal with your obvious cognitive dissonance over that porky?
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28
th, 2016 at 12:35pm:
The only reason you are pushing this is because you are clinging on to the completely baseless terrorist/criminal activity angle. The only issue here is that it was acting for-profit, which is wrong, but thats what for-profit organisations do. The problem was not what they did with the money (unless there is evidence of criminal activity), its that they acted for-profit in the first place. The solution is not to go on wild goose chases to find out what we already know (that the money was inappropriately used) - its to ensure such profiteering doesn't happen again.
Who are these stakeholders - the same Muslim community they stole from?
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29
th, 2016 at 1:11pm:
Tell me FD, would it make it any less immoral, do you think I'll have cause to be less outraged at AFIC if I could prove to you that they "legitimately" handed out their profits to their stakeholders? Oh wait, then we'd have to chase the money trail of the stakeholders wouldn't we! Goodness, who are these stakeholders FD? You'd just have even more questions wouldn't you? Come to think of it, your witch hunt could literally go on forever.