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Ice Age?
Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:16pm

On my fine forum we discussed the recent maximum temperature in Arctic Finland. The question of Lees’ favorite distraction came up, HM standard deviations is this from normal?

I emailed the Finnish Met office. Got a reply just now:

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Hi,

Maximum temperature in Arctic Finland in August is 32,3 °C (1.8.2018). That is 90,14 °F. It was measured in Inari Väylä weather station. There is not enough observations from Väylä to calculate climatological normal values (1981-2010 averages) but the average maximum temperature in last 25 years (1993-2018) in August is 15,9 °C and the standard deviation is 4,2 °C.

The highest temperature in Arctic Finland during the whole summer this far was 33,4 °C (92,12 °F) in Utsjoki Kevo. The average maximum temperature in July in Utsjoki is 18,3 °C and the standard deviation is 5,0 °C.

So both are more than two standard deviations from the mean, Utsjoki Kevo more than three standard deviations.

We will now hear from Prof Lees about the meaning of it all.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #1 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:19pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:16pm: We will now hear from Prof Lees about the meaning of it all. Oh dear. Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:16pm: There is not enough observations from Väylä to calculate climatological normal values (1981-2010 averages) So it remains weather.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #2 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:20pm Does it? It was part of a nearly world wide heat wave. So, nope.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #3 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:22pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:20pm: Does it? It was part of a nearly world wide heat wave. Oh. Now a heat wave makes it climate? Sillier and sillier.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #4 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:24pm Come on, Prof Lees, you have your error bars. What does it all mean?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #5 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:27pm Prof Lees is always keen as mustard on error bars. He now has two statistics for two locations. What does it mean, Prof Lees? Your acolytes eagerly await the wisdom you will surely utter. Or don’t you anything about it? Just say so if that, as I suspect, is the case.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #6 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:30pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:27pm: Prof Lees is always keen as mustard on error bars. He now has two statistics for two locations. So silly confusing maximums with averages. Averages include temperatures that are both above and below the average.You need a basic maths course.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #7 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:35pm You have two statistics for two locations, what do they mean? A maximum temperature is just as much a member of a population as any other.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #8 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:42pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:35pm: You have two statistics for two locations, what do they mean? A maximum temperature is just as much a member of a population as any other. Absolutely nothing but weather.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #9 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:48pm So you know nothing about error bars, right?
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #10 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:50pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:48pm: So you know nothing about error bars, right? So you know nothing of averages, right?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #11 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:53pm An average, or mean, is a statistic describing a sample or a parameter describing a population. Which do we have, Lees?
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #12 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:59pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 14^th, 2018 at 8:53pm: An average, or mean, is a statistic describing a sample or a parameter describing a population. Which do we have, Lees? Well let's see we have an average over a 25 year time span of 15,9 °C and the standard deviation is 4,2 °C. I will let you work out how that 32,3 °C was arrived at.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #13 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 9:03pm You don’t know if we have a sample or population?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 43644 Gender:	Re: Ice Age? Reply #14 - Aug 14^th, 2018 at 9:08pm The 32.3°C was not “arrived at” but measured. It is a case or datum. So—what do the statistics or parameters and the two measurements tell you?
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