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Reply #60 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:11am
 
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Would you agree that this is a silly thing to say Unforgiven?
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Reply #61 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:13am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
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Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Would you agree that this is a silly thing to say Unforgiven?


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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #62 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:16am
 
People killing soldiers if fine, though.......

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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #63 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:20am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
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Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Would you agree that this is a silly thing to say Unforgiven?


No!

https://slideplayer.com/slide/8061311/25/images/4/Quotes+from+My+Lai.jpg


Is this a fair summary of your argument?

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So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.
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Reply #64 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:25am
 
Thompson is a hero because he stopped a military atrocity by the USA and caused the cancellation of similar atrocities that were planned by inhuman soldiers.

Freediver understands atrocities because he enjoys torturing and killing marine life as a 'leisure' activity.

Humanity begins at home.

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:20am:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
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Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Would you agree that this is a silly thing to say Unforgiven?


No!

https://slideplayer.com/slide/8061311/25/images/4/Quotes+from+My+Lai.jpg


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So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.

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Reply #65 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:28am
 
Here's a very common opinion. Soldiers are arrogant because many people in society call them heroes just because they wear a uniform.

https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/6pqg3i/being_in_the_military_...

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Being In The Military Doesn't Make You A Hero
I know this opinion has been stated but whatever. I'm absolutely annoyed by military veterans or current soldiers that have this arrogance about them because they decided to sign up for the military. Good the bugger for you. Want a cookie? That was your choice. Just because I and others disagree with the military and soldiers doesn't make us pussies or that we wouldn't last in boot camp. Many of these people literally don't think any other profession is as good as being a soldier and I had someone say that they joined to change things from the inside. How and you're taking orders? I seriously doubt this person has any pull to change poo. The reverence to the military in the US bothers me. It reminds me of a more buggered up dynamic of a doctor/nurse (many times nurses are underappreciated and doctors overhyped. But that's an opinion for another day).
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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #66 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:31pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:25am:
Thompson is a hero because he stopped a military atrocity by the USA and caused the cancellation of similar atrocities that were planned by inhuman soldiers.

Freediver understands atrocities because he enjoys torturing and killing marine life as a 'leisure' activity.

Humanity begins at home.

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:20am:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
Quote:
Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Would you agree that this is a silly thing to say Unforgiven?


No!

https://slideplayer.com/slide/8061311/25/images/4/Quotes+from+My+Lai.jpg


Is this a fair summary of your argument?

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So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.



I am not talking about why Thomson is a hero. I am talking about why killing people precludes being a hero. The distinction you appear to be making is that in order to be a hero, you require people to allow innocents to be slaughtered so they can find a non-violent solution, if one exists, and avoid getting their hands dirty or putting themselves in the line of fire. Heroism to you means nothing more than putting yourself at risk of public criticism. This seems consistent with your stance as a Muslim apologist, where support from Muslims for the destruction of liberal democracy and all sorts of abuses comes secondary to not publicly criticising them. While we watch so many people fall victim to rape and pillage, you focus your efforts on protecting Muslims from rational enquiry.

Is this a fair summary of your argument?

So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.
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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #67 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:35pm
 
Freediver attempts to pervert everything he touches.

Freediver's own lack of humanity is exemplified by his enjoyment of torturing and killing marine life.

Reflect on this.

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freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:31pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:25am:
Thompson is a hero because he stopped a military atrocity by the USA and caused the cancellation of similar atrocities that were planned by inhuman soldiers.

Freediver understands atrocities because he enjoys torturing and killing marine life as a 'leisure' activity.

Humanity begins at home.

freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:20am:
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
Quote:
Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic


Would you agree that this is a silly thing to say Unforgiven?


No!

https://slideplayer.com/slide/8061311/25/images/4/Quotes+from+My+Lai.jpg


Is this a fair summary of your argument?

Quote:
So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.



I am not talking about why Thomson is a hero. I am talking about why killing people precludes being a hero. The distinction you appear to be making is that in order to be a hero, you require people to allow innocents to be slaughtered so they can find a non-violent solution, if one exists, and avoid getting their hands dirty or putting themselves in the line of fire. Heroism to you means nothing more than putting yourself at risk of public criticism. This seems consistent with your stance as a Muslim apologist, where support from Muslims for the destruction of liberal democracy and all sorts of abuses comes secondary to not publicly criticising them. While we watch so many people fall victim to rape and pillage, you focus your efforts on protecting Muslims from rational enquiry.

Is this a fair summary of your argument?

So basically, conventional soldiers cannot be heroes, because there is no way of proving that the soldiers they are fighting would kill anyone, but Thomson is a hero because he let all those My Lai villagers get slaughtered while he filled out the appropriate paperwork.

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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #68 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm
 
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.
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Re: Soldiers killing people cannot be heroic
Reply #69 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.
Pretty much what the whole board is like now, rational, semi intelligent debate is impossible. You shouldnt be surprised. On the plus side the post count is huge, Peccas doing his job also with 30 posts a day about child rape inference.
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Reply #70 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.


Freediver is perverting the string as he always does.

Exposing Freediver's enjoyment of killing and torturing marine life is fair argument because it reflects Freediver's perverted state of mind.

In regard to the quote below, soldiers are disposable and are fired from their jobs when they have been so ruthless that there is no-one left to kill.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-soldiers-heroic

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A Job is a Job Soldiers are like paper towels. They just sit there maintaining a minimal value until something spills. Milk on the counter top, my paper towel is retrieved to do what it's supposed to do. When it serves its purpose, another towel takes its place on "stand-by", so to speak.

Lot's of soldiers who are designated "heroic" say things like "I just did what I had to do". That's not humility; that's the absolute truth. They are put into situations that decay into impossible, then they do what they have to do. The dead ones are dead, and the survivors get "honor", which cannot even be redeemed for a sandwich.

Suckers one and all.
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Reply #71 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.


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Reply #72 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.
Pretty much what the whole board is like now, rational, semi intelligent debate is impossible. You shouldnt be surprised.


Of course. FD started it. He knows that.
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Reply #73 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:57pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.
Pretty much what the whole board is like now, rational, semi intelligent debate is impossible. You shouldnt be surprised.


Of course. FD started it. He knows that.


Freediver is a bulletin board pervert. He perverts and diverts arguments towards the direction his master's command.

Freediver is a paid shill and should precede all his postings with the confession of who pays his slimebag salary.
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Reply #74 - Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:57pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2018 at 12:37pm:
And here we see Unforgiven himself running away from rational enquiry.

You are welcome to give your own 'unperverted' version of your argument, but you cannot, can you? All you can do is lash out with childish personal insults, while whining about being misunderstood.
Pretty much what the whole board is like now, rational, semi intelligent debate is impossible. You shouldnt be surprised.


Of course. FD started it. He knows that.


Freediver is a bulletin board pervert. He perverts and diverts arguments towards the direction his master's command.

Freediver is a paid shill and should precede all his postings with the confession of who pays his slimebag salary.


Ask him if he likes telling fibs. He never answers that one.
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